Gilles Deleuze on Palestine
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- In this episode, I present Gilles Deleuze's writings on Palestine: "Stones," "Spoilers of Peace," "The Indians of Palestine," and the "Grandeur of Yasser Arafat."
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Years ago, while researching Judith Butler, I came across your channel, David. How fortunate I was to find it, and I am grateful to have access to the content you share with such dedication. From rivers to the sea, Palestine will be free! It is very valuable for everyone to support this just resistance as much as they can, from wherever they are. Greetings from Istanbul!
It's pleasing to see that the voice of Judith Butler came as far as Turkey. Is there in turkey an awareness of the colonial history of turkey, e.g. colonisation and mass murder of byzantines and Anatolia by the turks?
@@milad2944 yes sure! But as you can imagine it’s been denied. As a kurdish woman I can see the story and also feminist movement, kurdish freedom movement and left are fighting against their fascist idea’s as well. But it wouldn’t be fair if we say “turcs” did these and that etc. followers of an ideology and politics are on operation mostly.
@@rojdaaksoy2914 Jan, Jihan, Azadi
Thanks for being the only public, yt/podcast continental philosophy guy with courage and a sense of justice.
Hello again. I am so happy that you are continuing to educate me and others on the horrors of not only today, but the past, and the likely future. I have made a small donation and encourage others with any spare income to do so as well.
Thank you again.
Sartre too was une petite souris when it came to the question of Palestine, read the long article by the late Edward Said in Le Monde about his meeting with Sartre in Paris
David, I would like to thank you for talking about this topic, thank you a million times❤️❤️ Palestine needs our support
Palestine needs to accept that hamas is no leader.
thank you a million
What happend on October 7 led to the situation right now.
People of Gaza should take responsibility for their actions.
❤️🙏 Thank you for this excellent video and for using your platform
DUDE!! Missed you
i ❤ this channel. thank you for doing this keep up your great work love from Australia
Fantastic video, thanks! 🇵🇸
Also interesting to note the Heideggerean vibes in the first ‘Stones’ essay
Free Palestine ✊
So glad you're back!
As always, a great video.
thank you for this!
Thanks as always
Cesspool of a comment section. Keep on trucking David, you’re doing great.
thank you for making this video !!!
Great video! Important insights being conveyed here. Thank you for making this. May Palestine be free!❤🍉
Free Palestine!
I love how crystal-clear you are about the true nature of issues. We need more people who are willing and able to call out what this "conflict" really is - a succession of massacre, terror, and displacement that is *intended* to lead to the epistemicide and genocide we are seeing right now.
I always find it interesting when outsiders refuse to engage in the language of resistance around martyrdom, its almost as if you can only resist within a western, liberal lens. There is a specific and relevant discourse and practice around becoming martyrs and skirting around it is a bit of blatant erasure of their culture, ways of knowing, and experience. Resistance is resistance, even if its unpalatable to westerners.
please tell me more about your views. I was indoctrinated to become a martyr at the age of 9. Looking back at it I can only see dread. I'm interested to know what your background is that you find martyrdom valid. what do you mean by west btw?
@@milad2944 I think if you're asking someone outside of the historical process where the idea comes from why it's valid you're missing the plot. It's real, it's what they believe, and it's our job to respect and amplify those voices, not to see if we can square their circles. That's not to say your journey isn't valid. But when palestinian parents repeatedly characterized the death of their children as martyrdom, it's our job to listen. They know this is part of their resistance, and western liberal ignorance will only eat their movement and culture so it fits into the eurocentric model of oppressor and oppressed. Palestinians are telling us something quite different in how they engage with death. Again, it's our job to listen.
@@thecomrade302 The relation to death can indeed be cultural. From glorification of it through martyrdom up to cannibalism and human sacrifice. However in this light we can just call the mass murder of jews in the gas chambers as a culturally valid behaviour. I don't go that far. One of my earliest memories is the day in the first class that my class mates were going to the stoning of a person, the day after they told me how they were advised to throw small stones not to immediately kill the person so the person suffers enough before dying. I've seen people dying all around me, in the name of a god I was afraid of. I really wish you would stop for a second and get back on the ground dear comrade. one life is already an end.
@@milad2944 You need to read Achille Mbembe's Necropolitics. When your only two options are either to perpetuate regimes of death upon your own people OR to resist by any means at your disposable, "martyrdom" becomes a discourse that resists necropower. Martyrdom here is dying for a sense of justice rather than necessarily for "a God you're afraid of." You need to step out of your own clearly limiting experience for a second.
@@fatimaabdallah1734 thanks for your suggestion dear Fatima. Achille Mbembe (glorification of terror as a "vision of freedom" and of suicide bombers as "mediators of salvation" and "workers in the sign of the future" who rebel against the "madness of separation" of a [supposed] "colonial apartheid"), in their historical and systematic core, demand and celebrate senseless and most brutal violence as necessary for decolonizing liberation, which is supposed to be directed against innocent civilians without any tactical or strategic purpose
Thanks for doing this! You know, a lot of people don’t know this, but it was an Israeli who assassinated his own PM when they were on the verge of peace, breaking it down, which the West constantly blame Palestines and Arafat for. Yigal Amir, an Israeli law student and ultranationalist who radically opposed prime minister Yitzhak Rabin's peace initiative, particularly the signing of the Oslo Accords.
Very helpful
"... this is what it means to be a person - it means to have a connection to a land..." - yeah? this is what being a person means?
Yes
That was very helpful thank you 🙏
Wonderful, David ❤ the Palestinian spirit you discuss for Stones has been theorized as "sumud" -- the Arabic word for steadfastness. Also, thank you for connecting Palestinian and Lebanese histories because, speaking as a Lebanese-Palestinian from South Lebanon, they are intertwined; we won't forget that the 1982 invasion was called Operation Litani, where Zio.nists wanted to occupy all of the land south of the Litani river.
Brilliant!
Fantastic work.
Thanks
We are all Palestinians. We say that aspirationally, because we are inspired by their courage.
I'm not Palestinian
No I'm not
So are you guys just more pro-genocide in principle?
So are you guys just pro-genocide in general....?
If we are all Palestinians then what’s the issue. We’re united by our disinterest in Arafat’s imperfections. Fantastic. No doubt this is the point of abstruse French philosophy of the 1960s.
Free Palestine!!!!❤❤❤
Rashid Khalidis 100 years war on Palestine is a must read, and actually is very pertinent specifically to the section of this video about Arafat . One of the ways that Israel has undermined Palestinians is through their selection or destruction of the Palestinian leadership. Israel has dedicated vast amounts of resources to the destruction of the Palestinian intellectual class, through the assassination of poets , writers, journalists, intellectual and politicians' that they were concerned would be too beneficial to the Palestinian cause. Khalidi argues that one of the results of this has been a degradation of the quality of leadership available to the Palestinians, of course through no fault of their own or of even the leaders that made it out of the other side of this selection process, can't blame a fish for not getting caught. Downstream of this is the fact that Israel has the power to choose which group it wants to "negotiate" with inside of the Palestinian political class, and can subvert the Palestinian cause through the promise of power to groups they wish to bolster, as they did with the PLO in the 90s, in exchange for giving the PLO a sort of monopoly on violence and control in Palestine, the PLO became Israel's internal enforcement. Israel can choose to recognize or not recognize the authority of the PLO, the PNA, Hamas, and bestow powers upon them because in actuality, Israel is the sovereign of Palestine. It controls taxation and government funding in Palestine, it controls Palestine's water and air space, and even the internal movement of Palestinians in Palestine not just in war time but even when there aren't active military conflicts between Israel and Palestine. thPalestinians are subjects of a regime that denies that they are its subjects, This is the part that Zionist western leaders and Zionists want you to forget about and be blind to, they want you to only think about 10/7, but not to think about the region on the days that CNN isn't there.
The big difference is that the old colonial powers didn't have to contend with "democracy" so they could easily exploit large numbers of people for their gain.
Israel has to make out (like all Western democracies) that they are a democracy. Their biggest fear is that they simply couldn't go for one man one vote. The Palestinians still have children and Israel, like all Western "democracies" has a demographic problem . So the only way they can cope with their massive fear of the Other (probably brought about by their holocaust experience) is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. Very tragic. In the extreme.
The Western powers failed Israel as they allowed this ridiculous fear to grow and grow. Partly of course because the Israel Lobby has sooo much money. Money corrupts and the West (as most people) are easily corruptible. Unsurprisingly the West love to propagandise about corruption in foreign lands when we all know (well some of us do) that the most corruption exists where the most money is. Looking at you US.
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11:15 are you sure about that? are you sure that we want to tie that to personhood? (speaking as someone who has always felt alienated from the soil and the people around me and take pride in it/ still feel like a full person) - also free Palestine
The concept of attachment to the land is also what Nazis used to justify the extermination of jews, look for Blut-und-Boden-Ideologie
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blut-und-Boden-Ideologie
What’s Palestine?
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Free palestine
You need to grapple with George Mosse's "Toward the Final Solution: A History of European Racism" before you say that Israel's belief in the Jewish exceptionalism is analogous or synonymous with European colonialism. European racism, much of which was a 19th century construct, was fundamentally built around Jewish racial inferiority, as much if not more than antiblack or antibrown racism. To flatten Jewish pride in survival into European colonialism shows that you haven't confronted the real recipe for European racism.
It would have been fair that Europeans payed for Europe's history of racism, rather than making Palestinians pay for Europe's history of racism. Jews were welcome in Palestine, and across the Arab world, for centuries before Zionism violently upset the peace. European racism survives and is now transferred onto the Palestinians, and MENA peoples generally, especially Muslims.
Deleuze on Palestine is like Sartre on Staline.
Also Sartre:
“To shoot down a European is to kill two birds with one stone, doing away with oppressor and oppressed at the same time”.
Eventhough I'm a fan of Sartre -I've read many Sartre in my teenage days and that was a nice feeling- However I don't know why people cannot see that even as a famous thinker, one can have problematic perspectives. Sartre can be wrong! philosophy is not a religion and philosopher is not a prophet! have you forgot to kill your gods? ;)
Where does he fall short?
Free Jerusalem ✝️ Dues Vult
It isn't an unequal power distribution. It is just he result of power, and the only way to solve this problem is the abolishment of power as opposed to an equitable distribution of power.
For someone with a nietzschean inspired view of power like Foucault for example, power is not something that should or can be abolished. Power is needed in every act of creation therefore it's instead a question about changing power relations and how they manifest themselves. Even most anarchists who see themselves as resisting power usually talk about creating horizontal power structures not about abolishing power.
Gilles Deleuze was not a real philosopher! This is a good example of why
Lol relativism
You can't blame them for anything cuz they wear those cool ass caps.
I will use my own title because the real title can be offensive. Not even 1min in and reality is already being modified for a fake sense of virtue.
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I wouldn't have expected a channel like this to use the word "evil," or to believe in the concept. Interesting, and not compelling from a rational, non-spiritual perspective. You may appeal to Arendt, but you're using the term in a dualistic, Manichaean and essentially religious sense. Your passion is clear, but this is not convincing.
Also, your reference to Nazis doesn't make sense, re: a people's right to a land. The Nazis did not deny the Jewish people their right to a land. That is not part of the Holocaust.
You're welcome to leave.
@@TheoryPhilosophy A predictably rigorous response.
@@RussellWestcoast this is CZcams. Sign up for one of my college courses if you want rigor. Or, go to my patreon and pay me to explain why you're wrong. Come on; if you care so much about this, you should be more than willing to pay for a little education, right??
@@TheoryPhilosophy The prospect of paying to learn from an astrology-believing adjunct with a media studies degree who recycles Wikipedia summaries of French scholars (people were cutting-edge half a century ago), who has in the past couple months pivoted to producing Palestine content despite never posting a video with “Palestine” in the title before 10/7… Hard to imagine sparing any change for someone so dime-a-dozen these days.
@@RussellWestcoastCurious if you have any degree or training related to the subject?
Many wrong things, including the facts that we form our opinions upon. Sorry but I'm not with you this time. If a lot of intellectuals have remained silent, is because there is an unbelievable social push to take the palestinian side at the moment, and extreme isolation is expected as punishment for those with more nuanced views. In this terror, people who know prefer to remain silent.
What does this even mean
@@TheoryPhilosophy it means that we will be able to have a decent conversation on this only a year from now
@@TheoryPhilosophy you can read this if you like:
katho-nrw.de/fileadmin/media/foschung_transfer/forschungsinstitute/CARS/CARS_WorkingPaper_2022_006_Elbe.pdf
It's in German though.
what @fumoblitzkrie says is also valid about me and my feelings in this regard. The current race of perpetrator victim repentance is making me -and many other refugees- feel unsafe in Europe and North America. We are not the ones you would see on the street paroling for Hamas though as we are tutored by them and carry big traumas, I'm afraid for my life to have a voice against Hamas in the public. I've seen people murdered by them. I hope you could sense some of this danger. The danger that I would face if I express myself. Read through the comments on your video. everyone is just hard on clapping for you. without no reflection or dialogue. There are even pro Hamas comments. Don't you see the danger?!
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@TheoryPhilosophy you can read this if you like:
katho-nrw.de/fileadmin/media/foschung_transfer/forschungsinstitute/CARS/CARS_WorkingPaper_2022_006_Elbe.pdf
It's in German though.
What @fumoblitzkrie says resonates with my feelings as well. The current situation regarding the dynamics of perpetrator and victim is making me and many other refugees feel unsafe in Europe and North America. We are not the ones you see publicly supporting any extremist groups, as we have been deeply affected by their actions and carry significant trauma. I fear for my life if I voice opposition to such groups publicly. I've witnessed their violence firsthand. I hope you understand the danger I face in expressing my views. Please read through the comments on your video. Many are simply applauding without reflection or dialogue, and some even support extremist views. Don't you see the danger?
@TheoryPhilosophy you can read this if you like:
katho-nrw.de/fileadmin/media/foschung_transfer/forschungsinstitute/CARS/CARS_WorkingPaper_2022_006_Elbe.pdf
It's in German though.
What @fumoblitzkrie says resonates with my feelings as well. The current situation regarding the dynamics of perpetrator and victim is making me and many other refugees feel unsafe in Europe and North America. We are not the ones you see publicly supporting any extremist groups, as we have been deeply affected by their actions and carry significant trauma. I fear for my life if I voice opposition to such groups publicly. I've witnessed their violence firsthand. I hope you understand the danger I face in expressing my views. Please read through the comments on your video. Many are simply applauding without reflection or dialogue, and some even support extremist views. Don't you see the danger?
It shouldn’t be forgotten that the IDF has used Deleuze’s theories as a way to justify their attack on Palestine. Eyal Weizman has a great article about this, and there are accounts of IDF soldiers who talk about Deleuze’s theories as the driving theory of their colonial warfare. If this isn’t proof that Deleuze should not be the theorist we turn to for revolution or emancipation, then I don’t know what is.
IMO I don't think this is some sort of proof that Deleuze should not be the theorist for revolution/emancipation, instead I think it goes to show that like any other thing humans have created, Deleuzes theory is a tool which can be used for a variety of means (Paul Virilio writes about this in his text on accidents, all technologies create a positive quality and negative, which he sees in things like trains--allowing people to move across the world quickly, but also inventing the train accident--or like nuclear power creating relatively clean energy for life and also weapons which destroy people and environments). I see all philosophy as another technology/tool that can create the possibility for emancipation or subjugation. Thinking about Nietzsche and fascism, and maybe also how Mark Fisher and Nick Land both came from the CCRU. I think it's a little premature and puritanical to throw away Deleuze, or anyone for that matter, because they have been co-opted and therefore sullied, or proven impure. On the contrary I think it's far more productive to see all technologies as impure/perverse, and the point of using them (and living in general) is to find healthy ways to function. I think this is the point of all of Hayao Miyazaki's movies lol (especially castle in the sky). Sorry maybe I'm ranting. I do appreciate your comment and I think it's important to critically look at how philosophies are co-opted to oppress and reduce people's autonomy. Would love to see a video on this, how various philosophies for emancipation have been used to oppress people, and maybe if there are any oppressive philosophies that have been re-wired for emancipation (if that's even possible?).
@@c4ever it’s not a matter of co-option, it’s a matter of there being something inherent in Deleuze’s philosophy that makes him able to be used by colonisers. If your philosophy of emancipation can be used by fascists, capitalists, colonisers and the like, then it isn’t a philosophy of emancipation/revolution.
This is an underbaked take - you could easily find liberals againt Marxism because of its use in Stalinism, etc. Is that not proof we should abandon Marx? How a text is reiterated in one context does not define all of its possibilities.
@@benkoch6673 comparing the use of Marx in Stalinism to the use of Deleuze in Zionism is incredibly misleading. I encourage you to actually read up on it, because it’s not a misconstrued take on Deleuze either, whereas the use of Marx in Stalinism was only for objectively revolutionary things, and any point of criticism of Stalinism comes from a deviation of Marx.
@@benkoch6673 and can I add that it definitely wouldn’t concern Deleuze that his philosophy can be used by zionists, in fact he probably would celebrate the fact the fact that these zionists are purely productive and aren’t constrained to a limit
as a Palestinian I disapprove of this message
I know you won't like to hear this but might makes right if you can't defend you're a piece of land then sorry you don't get to keep it. I love your philosophy but not your constant political whining. But I will continue to listen to you have some good points.
What a great logic.
So if the sla.ves can not defend themselves from their masters then sla.very and opression are justified?
So having sla.v e,s is justified since the can't defend themselves and their area.
Are you always that clever?
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Zionism is Fascism
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Dude why are you here? Clearly you don't agree with what goes on on this channel. Why bother?
Blechh
@@abhineetmaurya4334 Israel is a communists issue. It succeeds where the soviet union failed. in providing a military arm to the people of the diaspora.
again, very naive and verging on antisemitism to think that palestinians are the only oppresed people in the world. the day you care about people other than palestinians i will take these videos seriously
if you are so engaged then you should also denounce the ongoing genocide in Sudan, in Myanmar, and so on.
So you admit it's a genocide.
@@TheoryPhilosophyso you admit that you care inordinately about this one (it’s on your tv, that is)
@@TheoryPhilosophy I have never said it is not. So you admit you dont care about genocides elsewhere. Bandwagonner.
@@joaquingonzalez5095 social movements take a very long time to build. Why are you upset that one has finally developed around Palestinian liberation? Would you prefer nobody talk about Palestine whatsoever, to gain some sort of intellectual brownie points? Social movements are only allowed to occur if they talk about every cause, all the time, all at once? Seems more like an intellectually lazy way to delegitimize a cause, on your part.
Deleuze was wrong.
.Just like many other philosophical geniuses before him, he totally missed the point on the conflict and looked at it from his own European-Liberal guilt.
I would write more about the many errors him and you, Mr. Guignion, made in this video, but I see it is a repeating motive in most of your video essays so I won't bother.
I will say this: The Palestinian connection to the land isn't a romantic "grander" of endurance, but a religious calling that separates the world to Dar-El-Islam (The land the Islam took over, which belongs to them forever) and Dar-El-Harb (The land Islam has not yet conquered, which mean they have to fight for it until they do). So no, it's not just a romantic struggle for freedom. It’s a religious demand, that Arafat and other Palestinian leaders used in order to gain power (I suppose you heard about the civil war in Lebanon in the 70's, that had nothing to do with Israel until they invaded in 82 - but if you can blame the Jews for something, why not, right?).
Thousands of Palestinians ran over to other counties over the years. Some, granted, by design. Israel is far from a perfect state, or a helpless victim. Zionism was a revolution, and in a revolution, there are innocent victims.
In fact, most Palestinians live today in Jorden and not in Gaza/West-bank. Does it means they do not deserve a country of their own? No. I support the creation of a Palestinian State next to a Jewish state. As an Israeli, I despise my own fascist government that bought all of us into this horrible place. I want peace and political power for both collectives. I want two states. It is, and always was, the only way to peace.
Many groups around the world, and in Israel itself, are making it harder to get to this peace scenario. One less-powerful group are you, the liberal left in North America. I hope we'll be able to solve this crisis eventually, and all of us here - Palestinians and Israelis alike - will be able to rise above our hatred and live in peace. However, when we will, of that I'm sure, it will not be with the help of those who demonize us as murderers, land-thieves and colonialists. No, we will get peace not because of you, but in-spite of you.
quite on the point. Unfortunately the gap of lack of prominent thinkers in North America opened up too much space for the post colonial and existential perspective to become the predominant narrative , which in its own light, in accord to history of the North America is quite valid. However calling the Palestinians "Indians" and rejecting the religious connotations of the issue or the way the global left is reducing it to a class war - with the exception of anti-deutche left movement in Germany- is a signifier of lack of knowledge about anything Middle East. (I am from the Middle East) It's quite saddening to see that the critical thinking has been replaced with an acceptance of violence. As a Person of Color, This is saddening to me to see that my skin color is used for victimisation and rhetoric. My skin color is irrelevant. I am also not an Indian.
Yasser Arafat was from a rich Family with strong Nazi ties. his uncle Amin al-Hosseini was a Nazi.
In Hamas charter there's a quote from Muhammad the prophet:
“I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: ‘You (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’
Suicide bombing in the modern history started with the symbol "Hossein Fahmideh", invented by Khomeini and I have been indoctrinated about it at the age of 9. Khomeini was Anti Colonial. The goal was to kill the "Koffar" e.g. The non believers.
You’ve both written a lot of words that fail to justify the slaughter of children
To continue I must add that the self hatred of Delueze or the CZcamsr here is not gonna wash the Sins of the Arab Imperialism ever since the 6th Century. The annihilation of the Bani-quraiza Tribe. The mass murder and suppression of people in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Qatar, Egypt, etc... Even the plaestinabs themselves are contaminated by the Arab imperialism. They are not ethnically Arabs!
@@Rednines what’s happening in Gaza is terrible. The innocent lives lost will not and cannot be justified. Hamas and the Israeli government are allies even though they’re fighting each other. Both of them thrive from the war- but that doesn’t mean that you can blame the Zionist movement for the crimes of this Jewish-supremacist government , just like you can’t blame all Palestinians for the crimes of Hamas
Not all Palestinian resistance come from muslim, there are christians as well. Reducing it to a religious war rather than a struggle for national independence is a propaganda for the Zionist regime.
You're being such an awful lib. Attitude like yours will not free Palestine, Hamas will. But thank you for supporting Palestine.
David may be an awful lib but he isn't being one now.
He is doing what he can, maybe you'd like to share what exactly you expect him to do?
Can you elaborate on what's so awful about his behaviour please? I am genuinely confused as to what part of this piece you're criticizing. Do you mean just him in general?
I love it when people say what they think without arguing why, it's always so constructive and useful!
Islam is not good
israel is worse