Can’t Sell Deleted Trucks, 7 Figure EPA Fines & More
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- Things aren’t slowing down with emissions - and at least one state is enforcing fines for truck owners selling deleted trucks. More shops are being visited, 7 figure fines have been imposed and its affecting every part of automotive (even gas). Joining us today is Caleb Jacobs, Truck Editor of The Drive. He’s been covering these topics and we wanted an inside look at what he’s discovering.
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The only thing that really should be deleted is the EPA and Big Government.
That is completely asinine to say that and selfish since you must hate children and our natural heritage...wth?
@@thedivinemissm7795you can’t be serious? You like big government? #geteducated
@@Mistro07 Your own lives depend on the govt. even though you can't possibly understand that concept...you're so foolish that you don't know your head from your
a$$...
Sure, and allow all of our beautiful natural lands to be polluted by big corporations. Let's go back to the deregulation of pollution in our waters, the soil that we farm on,and the air that we and millions of other species breathe, because that's the sign of a truly free and great nation, right? Allowing for the poisoning of our entire population and effectively the entire world is the mark of TRUE freedom!
Do you have any idea the extreme damage that getting rid of the EPA would do? You don't want to find out. We need the EPA to enforce regulations on corporations, who would otherwise dump toxic chemicals into our waterways and into our air, more than we're already suffering from. There are already carcinogenic PFAs in most of our water systems, but that would be the least of our worries should the EPA get dissolved.
And I'm intrigued; could define what your idea of "Big Government" is?
@@thedivinemissm7795you must have a brain the size of a BB
Epa should be worried about lithium MINES!!
They won't be worried about that until the next generation of batteries comes out and lithium isn't needed for them.
What makes you think they aren’t?
Lithium mines permanently contaminate the aquifer. No one can use that water table forever.
Or cruise ships burning 250 tons of ultra high suffer bunker oil per day, or the fact the military is magically exempt from emissions
The only thing the EPA is doing now is helping to fill the pockets of politicians.
And saving the planet
@@Bluebottlenosehahahaha….you’re such a fool if you actually believe that
E...EMPTYING
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AMERICANS!
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Executive Branch launched the “Green New Deal” regulations via EPA and more when Congress would not.
F the epa. Just tune better.
I had a friend pulled into a random roadside inspection with his cummins in NJ. As a part of the inspection they plug into your OBD2 port to “capture” your tuning. I’m not sure exactly what their software does but it corrupted his tune, he needed to be towed home after that and couldn’t reload his tuner. The company he had the tune thru is no longer in business, his trucks still sitting inoperable. If you get inspected DO NOT let them connect to your truck!!! He later spoke with a lawyer who explained NJ’s delete law is a state level, they cannot enforce federal law. After a lot of research the lawyer suggested registering your deleted trucks out of state as NJ cannot enforce their emissions laws on a vehicle not required to meet them. Per the interstate compact, NJ has to honor the other states registration and whatever their laws are. The suggested state was Montana, you can form an LLC in Montana and register your vehicle to your “business” which gets around the requirement of updating your registration, because the vehicle now belongs to an operating business. And best of all there is no sales tax in Montana! Screw NJ!
Be careful if you decide to follow the recommendation of registering your vehicle outside your state of residence. The state can come after you for tax evasion, especially if it turns out you don't have any real business from the Montana based business.
Don’t b a pus, fight back in court and don’t roll over. Supreme Court cases support the common guy in transporting property. Do your own homework/research and be ready to fight back in court.
Fk that, they gonna need a warrant to plug in. There's no law that says any traffic stop they can do that.
Have a "hidden"/dud switch wired to the power supply on your diagnostic port. Then, you can kill the power to it. No power, it can't be downloaded or read. One year, I wasn't able to get an emission test done on my car because the diagnostic port was bad or damaged & they couldn't read the ECM.
@@603Cummins how so? If the vehicles been previously registered in the home state you’ve already paid sales tax on it? NJ isn’t going to reimburse you? Plenty of full time rv’ers do this, you technically don’t have a home state in that case.
This makes me love my 7.3 super duty even more and my 2016 Peterbilt 1999 caterpillar 18 speed 550 horse no BS on it
I've got a OBS 7.3 and adrive a w900 with a 3406E
The “EPA” knows nothing with Diesel engines, this is a money scheme. A Diesel engine burns cleaner with emissions equipment removed. Clean tuning and keep up on maintenance, diesel trucks burn clean. DPF Regeneration is not saving the environment lol it just builds all of the soot inside the DPF until it regens and causes even more pollution during that time. Do you think the EPA will ever have the capacity to get rid of every deleted truck in the United States? Good luck lol it will always be here to stay, they are just trying to scare people with illegal enforcement.
The DPF is designed to make the truck to go back for repair. The DPF & the EPA were cracking down cuz guys were rolling coal.
It’s the governments way of saying🖕to your freedom to do whatever you want to your truck that is also buying less fuel because of how high the prices are & in some places u can’t get a DPF or DEF to keep it going cuz the parts are not there.
These DPF trucks should be serviced at 3k because of how much soot gets slipped past the piston rings because of the excessive back pressure causing premature catastrophic engine failure that is far worse for the environment than a little NoX gases out the tailpipe.
This is a significant government overreach that should be shut down, & get rid of ALL of the regulation.
De-Regulation is the best thing for the environment rn because of the waste of the DEF jugs.
It’s sad we have to go to the 1990s for a reliable legal Diesel truck for now.
While I also hate the EPA and these regulations that require equipment that strangles your engine, they definitely DO NOT run cleaner without the emissions equipment. There are, however, far better ways to reduce emissions than the BS equipment they require
TheRockinProduction I live in the state of Texas, if someone has a deleted diesel truck then how do they pass inspection. Most shop's that I've been to won't pass a deleted diesel truck.
@@raulnavejar474 If you are in Texas, then you are in the wrong part of Texas.
@@TheRockinProduction San Antonio.
"Government overreach''; redundant. It's what government does.
This is exactly why we need TERM LIMITS NOW 🇺🇲. That's just the start of things that the American people should do. LETS NOT FORGET IT'S WE THE PEOPLE.
Hey deneice what happens when there's no people because of people who only care about themselves and no one else.
Epa is the exact reason a drive an old 12v swapped suburban. Pre emissions bs. No regen, no def, no 20k emissions systems. I honestly dont know how anyone would want a newer truck with all that crap but glad you all do it keeps parts for my old stuff cheap. I also run on used veggie and motor oil.
Some people use their trucks for their living and have to have newer stuff, when you’re broke down you’re not making money. That’s why some of us have new trucks anyway. Also, a lot of companies will not give loads to trucks over 5 years old.
@@871jamie yah i use my truck for work, it makes me piles of money and when it breaks i can fix it and it doesnt cost a fortune. I suppose if you cant fix things your stuck with a new truck and payment. To each their own i prefer my money in my pocket
@@docksidemarine4273 I’m a licensed aircraft mechanic from another lifetime I can fix anything but that isn’t the point and it went right over your head with your pea sized brain I guess. Did you miss the part that most companies won’t even talk to you if your truck is more than 5 years old? And no way your suburban is hauling a gooseneck trailer to make your living.
@@docksidemarine4273 when that suburban blows a transmission, rear end, or even the engine, you’re not fixing it on the side of the road with a load behind you. SMH like I said it all went right over your head, you know nothing about the hot shot industry and it shows!! Good day.
@@871jamie im not a hot shot trucker so not concerned with that industry thanks. I fix ships and haul equipment and tools all over the place. Im glad your happy with your truck doesnt mean im not happy with mine. Not even sure what your arguement ment is?
*If the EPA tries to fine you for modification to your vehicle fight it tooth and nail all the way to Supreme court!! The epa cannot constitutionally create laws!*
System is rigged to bankrupt you if you try and get justice ⚖️... Do you want to bankrupt yourself, face jail and other stuff over a vehicle?
Congress authorized the EPA to regulate clean air and water standards and enforce those regulations to meet the standards it set before them...
When you pull crap out of your a$$ and drop it here as nonsense, it'll be regulated upon you and fines imposed for your pollution...
Do you get it now that it becomes a matter of personal awareness? lmao!
No, but they can create and enforce regulations. From epa.gov :
"EPA is called a regulatory agency because Congress authorizes us to write regulations that explain the technical, operational, and legal details necessary to implement laws. Regulations are mandatory requirements that can apply to individuals, businesses, state or local governments, non-profit institutions, or others."
You obviously don't know how much time and money it takes to get a case to the SC.
Great content Patrick, thanks for sharing
All the people "Rolling coal" and videoing it brought unwanted attention to the industry. Now you have to pay the piper. Look how much power cars with catalytic converters make now
No it was the Sierra club and wealthy tree huggers.
Cars with catalytic converters can't tow 30,000 lbs and it's not cat converters people complain about its the EGR and DEF systems, cars don't have those, well not def, yet
Epa was behind the switch to 410 A refrigerant and now it comes out 410a has more ozone depleting compounds than R22 the EPA of should be held liable
They are pushing a hidden agenda! Nothing about the environment and all about control. The European equivalent want to ban motorbikes and scrap classic cars. They want you in some digitally connected rubbish. As soon as you reached your carbon points, you will get the chop. Sickening
R410a doesn't deplete the ozone layer. Confusing GHG vs ozone depletion.
That's why I have a 96 f250 4x4 12 valve cummins swapped into it after the 7.3 crapped the bed. I'll stay old-school
Don’t comply and if you do research shops that will pass you for a small fee lots of big rigs deleted and look stock
What? No way... 😁
Just sell it private sale. Screw epa. Deleted and staying that way.
You know the EPA doesn't really care about the planet bc then why aren't all military vehicles def and dpf equipped
Hell the epa travels and emits more emissions than we all do.
All this started when one monitoring station at a set of lights in Germany went over the recommended limits for DPM Diesel Particulate Matter.
This then was the test case and extrapolation of data worldwide.
Here buildings and traffic delays prevent the normal dispersal of DPM to acceptable levels.
An easy solution would be to redesign the traffic grid to enable less stationary vehicles, so a more efficient transport network would have helped in a big way.
Don’t forget European vehicles went through a huge period of small diesel transportation of passenger vehicles because of extremely high Gas (petrol in Oz) prices.
I myself bought one 2014 Honda CRV 2.2 4cylinder manual.
Heaps of torque, very economical 5.5 litres per 100 klms worst case average per tank. Range up to 950 klms per tank. Try doing that with an EV.
It uses piezoinjectors and runs very clean.
This will be my last diesel, unless I buy a pre EGR, pre DPF anything.
They talk about increased rates of lung cancer risk.
What about the risk of cancer just from eating the highly processed food.
Anyway, it is clear that emission systems themselves are extremely unreliable, extremely expensive to maintain on older vehicles.
If everyone stops buying new vehicles they will have to change their minds.
Industry will crumble, laws will be changed very quickly to “save the economy”.
I think it’s time the public say enough is enough.
The new vehicles are crazy expensive anyway.
I can’t help but feel this is to support the incoming ultra expensive EVs into the marketplace and keep shareholders happy of course.
People, have the ultimate say.
Elon and his cronies can stick their Teslas and brain microchips.
But why is it any different that military vehicles can be tuned/deleted but civilians can’t? The epa should crack down on our own government before pointing their fingers at anyone else
The difference is called life or death . Would you want to be engaged in battle and in need of supplies or reinforcements and find out that the convoy is sitting alongside the road in limp home mode with DEF issues ? If you are referring to the used military vehicles that are being sold to civilians , it is not supposed to be happening, and I believe they have started cracking down on that also , or are planning to .
@@bobbrinkerhoff3592 what if you are on the interstate and the 9th injector fails(reduced engine power) and you are unable to pull over(no shoulder or exit) and can barely exceed 25mph very deadly I know by experience! you really think they give a damn?
Rules for thee not for me
@@bobbrinkerhoff3592so what your saying is these systems aren't reliable hmmmm you just proved everybody poimts
@@timothyberlinski2299 exactly, they are nothing more than a bandaid , intended to buy the manufacturer the time to perfect the cluster fudge that they have created . Personally I think the engineers need to go back to square one and start completely over . Think of the modern emissions system like it was the medical system . You don't feel good , so you go to the doctor who prescribes a new drug for you to take ,BUT , because it has side effects that are harmful or even fatal , you end up with six more prescriptions to take to counteract the side effects of the first drug . That is the modern smog system in a nutshell .
I wonder if the recent 2a supreme court rulings can effect this issue too. One of the rulings from scotus was against the EPA as well. They're no longer allowed to just change definitions and get judicial deference like its carte blanche. Makes me wonder if a class action would be the best course of action here.
Not like putting your politician in prison
@@chauvinemmons as an Illinoisan, we specialize in putting our politicians in prison
The EPA went to far when it tried to effectively ban coal plants. What the EPA can do is limit overall emissions - but they cannot tell states how to meet those emissions. States can... burn less coal, add scrubers, burn cleaner coal etc.
Power plants are fixed emissions - cars and trucks are mobile emissions. Completely different section of the law.
They gonna get destroyed along with the ATF when Chevron deference goes to the Supreme Court in Nov
The Cummins ISX I drive is completely stock and has 741k miles on it.
Maybe you guys need a bigger truck to start with rather than modify a light duty truck.
Good episode bud!!!
Anyone doing deleting do not do it in a business, do not give a receipt. And keep your mouth shut.
^ This ^
I just bought a used deleted def Deisel from a dealership! 2011 Ram 3500. I was not told this was illegal! I'm not a truck person. I need to sell it now because I'm unemployed.
I've only had it 3 months. What should I do?
Delete the EPA
Most people dont consider the long run. They want something to have fun with then dump on the next schmuck.
When I buy a vehicle, it's carefully chosen because my possession is where it will stop. Much like firearms, I never sell a vehicle. So what I do to the rig, is what I do with it and it's nobody else's concern. But on the same token, that's why the vehicles are carefully chosen. I have a spare motor for all 5 of my vehicles. If I blow a motor, I swap it out and rebuild if possible crate it and store it in the shop. Not everyone has that option, but if you don't have a fire suit, don't play with fire.
Sweet bro . Traxxas or axial as far as the 5 vehicles you have spare motors for ? Brushless motors are really reliable but it’s good you have spare motors !!
@@MR.TOYBOX Traxxas???? Wtf is that?
To clarify, 2 of the trucks are 24v so I only need 1 motor as a spare. 1 Toyota 4runner, spare only cost me about 300, but then a rebuild cost me right about 1000 because I did a little more than a rebuild. A ford pickup with the dredded triton and the 2 piece spark plugs, a carry that the spare only cost me 250. And I have 2 square bodies, one with a 12v swap.... that was the largest hit. I'd like to have actual containers for the spares, but shrink wrap was the best option. When I buy a vehicle, it's coming to me to die or live a long life. I don't use mechanics because I don't trust them.
I think the EPA is going for the low hanging fruit... for now. They will most likely move on to the gasoline tuners in the future. There is wording in the law that does not allow for modifications to emissions to any car sold as a CARB vehicle. So you can't have a race car/truck that removes or alters the emissions in any way, even though it will never see an American road. Hmmm. They are just starting with the Diesels. Some agency may even start cracking down on super high lifts and steel bumpers. Who knows, it only takes one high profile crash to get the ball rolling. Keep a low profile people.
Already have been going after gasoline. Plenty of info out there.
Gas tuning doesn't work around emissions, all sensors and converters remain in service, so tuning a gas engine is legal still. Removing emissions devices, which requires delete tuning is illegal. As long as everything it came from the factory with is intact, it is perfectly legal to tune a gas engine.
@@acdii As long as the tune has a CARB EO, that is correct. But your local tuner probably does not go through the steps necessary to get that certification. That would be illegal. Some companies are only selling their CARB legal tunes now.
They crafted the Clean Air Act so broad, it covers almost any performance enhancing modification. State Farm auto insurance policies have fine print that allows them to avoid a claim if you have added any performance enhancing modifications. I would expect that other companies have similar clauses. The attack on the automotive enthusiast is a deliberate, coordinated, and multi-faceted action, designed to reign in those who would resist the planned obsolescence of the internal combustion engine.
Gasoline tuners typically only tune at WOT. Emission testing/requirements are never tested at WOT (although California has proposed similar). So the argument is they aren't affecting emissions.
The EPA says nothing à bout locomotives that dont even have a muffler on them with 4500 horsepower
Railroads have a LOT of money to lobby for their cause.
Yeah let the EPA take interest in the cartels first in the harm in the air and water and then I’ll take them seriously.
True. Was watching where the cartels was devastating the California forest land to grow some green. Wonder what their personal vandetta against diesel anything
More importantly the military operates on our roads and are far from EPA compliant. It's a case of do what we tell you and not what we do scenario. I refuse to own a commonfail as I work on the shit daily... My 24v p pump will out tow, out mpg any of this new garbage. But if you want a modern powerplant just put it in an older truck. Fuck the hypocrite govt and EPA
What I've been saying for the longest. Holy shit the govt has been giving us more problems than anything else. We are going to force you to put on these faulty equipment, and force you to pay for it. Just overlook the $8000- $10k expenses because environment right.
Of course CZcams deleted the comments fing commies.
My goal is to build a reliable truck with better efficiency. Basically more air flow and maybe a better optimized tune to burn more of the fuel. Sucks that they are cracking down on individuals now also. There are plenty of parts that I have seen have crap design that still gets a CARB sticker. For example the header for my Honda H22 with ports that are shaped for Honda D16 which are smaller and don't match hurting flow and likely emissions/economy. I feel that the EPA should have to prove something increases emissions instead of all the small companies have to prove it doesn't.
I am tired of regulators doing things because they feel they are making a difference. Driving an EV may make you feel better, but all the mining has a huge environmental and social impact. Let get back to numbers and facts. At the very least if we can just pass standard emissions testing during an annual inspection, does it really matter what parts we have installed (maybe eliminate on the fly tuning if that allows us freedom to run more hard parts).
The EPA is a weapon, against freedom, nothing more. To suggest they are anything but is naive
I had been wondering if porting the intakes and exhaust would help with emissions and performance due to sometimes the injector pumps do run a little rich upon take off , kinda like old hotrods which were intentionally richened ( some people think it gives better performance but I think it just pours raw fuel out the exhaust [ I like the smell of those hotrods but it's a waste to me ] ) and I do remember being a truck mechanic many years ago you can change the horsepower of an engine by adjusting the fuel pump thus making it rich or lean therefore making them smoke more if richened . Although an bigger intake system would be an huge improvement but it could prematurely wear the engine or destroy it ; but I do think some engines may not have big enough intakes and exhaust for size of engine . Although maybe bigger air filters and replacing them periodically will help . Actually an bigger air filter would give longer service intervals thus maybe not exhibiting black smoke as often and thats if there is enough room for an bigger air filter .
Who are you?
What about the cargo ship “The Felicity Ace” who sank full of EV and ICE engined vehicles in the Atlantic. One EV started this and it spread to others, then stuffed the ships structure from the heat, but it listed under tow and sank.
Imagine all the trapped Fuel oil.
Imagine all the waste of the planets resources.
Bunch of idiots in Government in Australia also.
We don’t really have any say in who gets in…they only want you to THINK you do.
Ultimately it makes no difference.
Again, people.
Stop buying new cars and they will have to change.
its not getting better efficiency if u mod it and it burns more fuel
Do not have the time to look over to see if the epa is coming. Put CARB compliant Banks intake/tubes/intercooler/monster ram on a 2016 Cummins. Then put a stage 3 ATS Allison set up for towing mountain roads. What a smooth running, cool running and powerful improvement. No issues at all.
$150,000 later you have what I have for 5 grand
$150,000 later you have what I have for 5 grand
Really simple solution that is 100% legal. Use old engines. Buy a new pickup and slap the old drivetrain into it. Just like a glider kit on the big trucks.
Many states, especially on the west coast have passed laws where you can't swap a motor into a vehicle unless it was offered for that model year. plus they have emission testing yearly or every two years. The DMV will not allow you to register unless you have a passing test. The work around I think would work is a pre-emissions vehicle with a newer motor. Usually the pre-emeission vehicles don't need the emissions test for registration.
@@mulhallrj Couldn't imagine living in that environment. Probably the kind of place that hassles you about other things. I am looking at you California and New York.
@@kdw75 exactly people need to stop playing this illegal game. EPA doesn't make laws, and our constitution is the supreme law of the land. Climate change is a money grift plain and simple. Follow the money folks
Also illegal. You cant go backwards or everyone would do it
@@docksidemarine4273 That is what I thought, but the Highway patrol says otherwise. I have yet to find anyplace that says putting a new truck on an old drive train is illegal. Can you show me where the law against it is?
I drive an idi certified dirty idle . Emission delete
Maybe you could do a video on tunes versus egt's??
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Lets restore old trucks and keep them on the road. If you want a new model engine, pull one from a salvage yard and soup that one up. But i doubt that will happen because everyone wants all the fruity features of newer trucks
NASA doesn't have to follow these rules
WOW…..Last time My Grand Cherokee was in the for over a month no parts and limited Diesel Tech they replaced the Cat (warranty) told me I didn’t drive it hard enough and suggested Deleting it…..
Is this the diesel podcast or are you plugging for Bass Pro shop ?
The EPA is not interested in protecting the environment and I wish you all would quit saying you support their mission to help the environment.. that means you drank the cool-aid. This show should be honest with the fact the EPA is an enemy and they are not interested in protecting the environment period. Corey should have had support and not rolled over to the cartel that is the merica guvt. The EPA does not have the right to restrict anything and if you don’t fight them they win. I get it it’s expensive to fight in court and that is why a support system should be in place to help individuals fight the EPA. They are evil overreach and what they are doing is illegal. Anyone coming to someone’s house with guns out over emissions equipment is the criminal and it’s obvious the US cronies are the criminals. Sadly we are going to lose all aftermarket options over the next 10-15 years… watch.
Got any links so I can research more on this?
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few things to get you started. Put in the time, there is a lot out there that will blow your mind. Credit to Brian over at ‘here’s the deal’:
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"Every Citizen has an unalienable RIGHT to make use of the public highways of the state; every Citizen has full freedom to travel from place to place in the enjoyment of life and liberty."
People v. Nothaus 147 Colo. 210.
Other right to use an automobile cases:
EDWARDS VS. CALIFORNIA, 314 U.S. 160
- TWINING VS NEW JERSEY, 211 U.S. 78
- WILLIAMS VS. FEARS, 179 U.S. 270, AT 274
- CRANDALL VS. NEVADA, 6 WALL. 35, AT 43-44
- THE PASSENGER CASES, 7 HOWARD 287, AT 492
- U.S. VS. GUEST, 383 U.S. 745, AT 757-758 (1966)
- GRIFFIN VS. BRECKENRIDGE, 403 U.S. 88, AT 105-106 (1971)
- CALIFANO VS. TORRES, 435 U.S. 1, AT 4, note 6
- SHAPIRO VS. THOMPSON, 394 U.S. 618 (1969)
- CALIFANO VS. AZNAVORIAN, 439 U.S. 170, AT 176 (1978)
- Hadfield v. Lundin, 98 Wn. 657; 168 P. 516
* Send this to everybody you know who has a drivers license.
Sources:
Obama: czcams.com/video/6imFvSua3Kg/video.html
People v Horton: law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/14/930.html
Supreme Court Cases: www.geniemusic.com/?w=1624
More cases: central-bailbonds.com/u-s-supreme-court-says-no-license-necessary-to-drive-automobile-on-public-highwaysstreets/
@@sasquatchcrew epa just got shut down recently by he Supreme Court in a ruling that stated they are operating out of their power for lack of better term. Look it up, recent case.
@@brianbusch2840 the problem Americans have now the democrats are breaking the law, by not doing what the Supreme Court has stopped. Get people aware of what democrats are doing trying to destroy your Constitution.
still looking for custom tuning for sct with live wire ts here in Colorado 😏 anyone let me know
As a group of operators and users we did a terrible job of policing ourselves.
I love some kershaw and I’m from where cutco/ Kaybar is I used to work there cleaning bathrooms when I was younger
We really like their product line as well!
I have 2002 f350 crew cab long box with manual trans. Rubber floor mat and power cloth seats. Many more loyal years of use planned. No emissions. Pollutes like a freight train I'm told. I'll never sell it. Not my only vehicle. 105000 miles. Brakes at 103000 miles and yes I towed with it
Love my 7.3's none of the emissions bullshit to deal with, ya I will take the lower power numbers verses a new 6.7L diesel any day.
Well? as a ex offroad mechanic for 30 years we were told no tampering with diesel engines effective january 1 1996. This was the day tier 1 emissions took affect. So? i'm not sure why people are shocked by visits or fines . And for the record i'm not pro epa .
I got a deleted him dodge ram 2008 with a mega cab it’s a 2500 and it has a 6.7 Cummins in it and I’m getting 33 miles to the average on fuel straight exhaust. It’s got a tunnel cover on the back cold air intake, but we bought the truck with it already deleted from a car lot and it’s got a one piece driveline in it when I put in a compound turbo with a tuner and I’m hoping to get better fuel mileage and try to get to zero emissions, I think it’s all about how clean the diesel fuel is if we get dirty diesel, then we’re gonna have problems the cleaner the fuel is the better we are off
33 mpg? Your math is messed up.
You know the EPA doesn't have any athority in making laws or finning people .
Paying fines are voluntary?
That’s what I thought I heard the Supreme Court rule on.
@@gjones5153 That is what happens when you get your news from youtube. The SCOTUS ruling was about CO2 from coal power plants. Unless you own a coal power plant it did not affect you. A number of trucker sites told people what they wanted to hear, rather than the facts.
Federally and every state I know of, has fines and laws on the book that enforce the EPA regulations. Good luck with your theory.
@@steven4315 Very true. Mobile emission sources (cars, trucks, boats etc.) are under a different set of rules.
I just bought one today. From a dealer lol but I am putting it back factory ... wink wink
This hit the big rig side a few years ago . 25000 dollar fine to the owner of the truck 250000 to the shop. Go look up carb there's 28 states going carb . You can trade a deleted truck in but you will sign a paper that about the emissions. Here's the problem you will still responsible for the emissions . If you don't think this happens just go to any truck dealer. It's coming to the pick up side soon.
It's never been a secret that was the law when they put them on trucks
Seen some deleted trucks at dealerships..
What about all these getting blaster rice burners ?????? Or are they exempt?????
Just tried to trade my deleted truck in. Bought it from another dealership that way. They immediately shut me down because of it. Said they could not buy it because it’s deleted. Kinda crappy they can sell them but now they can’t buy them back. No dealership yet
Well That'll learn ya 🤭
@@kwmiked yeah. That’s an understatement. If they have such a problem with them then they shouldn’t be able to sell them that way.
Sell it to a cop,
They have the cash and can get around the law's.
Never been more scared than going drinking and driving with some police .
Go after the dealer that sold it to you.
@@robert5 he knew what he was buying!
They must of gotten their authority back. 🤦🏿
They need to design a better way of cleaning the emissions. I decided to go to the ford 7.3 gasser to avoid the issues related to Emissions systems. Friggin BS
Spent a half an hour not learning a thing. This felt like a half an hour infomercial to go read an article.
I’ll never completely understand the need for def in the first place
Is anyone in this forum aware the presidents limo is deleted?
@Jbmorris289 My deleted truck makes no visible smoke or soot so WTF! EGR is useless! if your diesel is making black smoke at any power level then it has a bad tune
They should base the emmisions per mile not per gallon.when a diesel truck gets 3x the mileage towing
The moral of the story is don't post the illegal shit you do to your truck on social media.
I’m glad ppl are talking about this but I can’t watch these videos I get so mad at the government over reach and it infuriates me ppl are just … going with it
I own a 2012 ram 3500 Longhorn, stock emissions and the only thing that it has is an egr and a muffler. It does smoke a little but that's how it came new.
Has the EPA thought about imposing fines for those countries with the most uncapped volcanos without catalytic converters?
Imagine the pile of cash that could be extracted from that!... in the name of environmentalism.
fines 1stvs 2nd 1 per yr till u rack up $1000k max fine boght as new u r grandfathered in.
EPA Gone Wild!
I miss 2 stroke motorcycles.
My 7.3 built pre-cat, and pre- all this other bullshit is increasing in value by the day!
Epa overreaching rules are not laws.
So can I sell a deleted diesel now?? Missed that part
You can try.
Just don't advertise that it's deleted because New Jersey is making people scrap their pickups.
Deleted trucks ??,,
What is that
They are worth keeping once they are deleted
Racing = experimental testing equipment & roundtable group theory & application of diesel efficiency & performance & what it could do to improve on street legal performance.
You guys should have a podcast about “Renewable Diesel” not Biodiesel.
Also Methanol injection.
If EPA is going to be useful. I think they should hold the idiots who roll coal on the road accountable. Not put emissions on trucks.
Between being mechanically accountable and running renewable diesel which the diesel truck runs better and burns cleaner and more power. I think that should be the way. Not emissions and definitely not bio diesel.
Anyone think they're coming after the individual now because big business has money to fight them whereas the individual does not?
And if individuals can't fight then they'll stop buying hurting the businesses and individuals alike in the long run.
The epa is so focused on diesel deletes y no fuss over airlines ? A gas engine puts out more pollution than a diesel
Stand up now or they will go after everyone
Is he still selling the truck? I know he took it off the road.
I got into diesels and back out other than fixing others now I just mess with big block truck’s nobody wants, good power and under the radar
Simply just keep all your shit
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My 6.7 powerstroke.. remove sensors from exhaust plug back into harness zip tie up on the frame.. leave your DEF tank in place.. hell clean DEF tank out and replumb and you got yourself a methanol injection tank..🙋
CCV delete with a catch can filter.. dump it out when you check your oil...
And if you want to go for the stock look use stainless steel freeze plug the correct size welded into your exhaust and inlet pipe on EGR.. or just by the block off plate kit and delete the whole thing..
Go by your $300 SCT tuner for all those darn - lights & trouble codes.
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Why sell it anyway? They will go forever, mine’s paid for so I’m keeping it!!
Thought the government told the EPA they can’t fine anyone
In our podcast last month with a lawyer, he broke down what they can and can’t do. In short, if Congress didn’t put into law they can do x, y, z, then they can’t. However, Congress gave the EPA authority, in the Clean Air Act, to regulate vehicle emissions (among other things).
@@TheDieselPodcast That’s a very broad statement that they have the right to regulate vehicle emissions but don’t actually have laws in place. That is where the grey area comes into play and agencies tend to hide in that area.
Nothing is stopping anyone from using pre-emissions base engines and putting them in any truck body you want. Buy a blown gas engine truck you want and put an old built up diesel in it. Not deleted.
Emissons follow the vehicle, not the engine. Putting a 1998 diesel in a 2020 diesel truck makes the truck a .... 2020 diesel truck. Buy an old diesel, register it etc. Put the 2020 body on the old truck (leave engine/transmission/ drive line from the old truck and register it as an old truck.
Welcome to the stranglehold it's world wide . They been grooming us for a long time.
Keep things in perspective. GBE’s main focus is street vehicles and he has made a good living doing that. But GBE was NEVER a leader or winner in super high power diesel - specifically pulling tractors and trucks. People have been making 3000hp +++ engines for decades that beat anything GBE ever built. Let’s not forget there’s a realm of diesel performance that GBE has never been even close to.
That's because he has always built safe power. GBE can make engines with super high horsepower like everybody else. His stuff lasts though and that's the difference.
@@CSXtrackworker LOL, safe power....really? Safe power wins nothing. People need to stop treating him like a God. He's not. You wanna make power? Talk to real innovators like Scheid and Haisley and Cyclone and Riverside and a ton of other people who make GBE look like some wanna-be. His latest Duramax project....yeah...there was 1000hp Dmaxes 20 years ago.
@@madmat990 never said he was a god. Just pointing out what Banks does. His power builds are not extreme and last a lot longer than scheid and others who build high horsepower and doesn't last very long. You definitely sound like a young kid who hasn't been around this industry for very long but acts like he does.
@@CSXtrackworker No, I'm the opposite, I've been in the industry long enough to know winners from posers. You definitely sound like some bench warmer who's never ventured into competition because your wife won't let you, or you don't want to do anything "unsafe." GBE is a low end street truck parts seller. If that's what you want, buy his stuff and be happy tooling around in your low horsepower truck.
When working on a Navy project, I talked to GB about a diesel in the product. Sorry for being vague, classified stuff you know. He knew less than I did and my knowledge was just a smattering at the time gleaned from running the Bendix Research Labs vehicle testing facilities in the 1970's.
If the EPA is going to keep this up, they may as well just force the car companies to encrypt the ECM software to where it can't be altered , that way when ya take the emission stuff off it just won't run.
Your right they have done that for 22s and up now
I will never sell my 2003 Dodge Cummins, I went with Banks products. EPA legal and Gale’s products do exactly what I wanted and reliable.
You mean overpriced and produce zero power lol great choice. All banks does is add rail pressure which ruins injectors.
@@joshuaquilliam2887 270 miles on the originals and still going. Does what I need. Freedom of choice, you don’t have to be a customer or a hater.
My last pickup was a diesel. Now gas. Yet. If I ever bought a new diesel today. It would be the same with my 2020. Just drive it. The truck was engineered with all of the useless garbage anyway. Yet. My 2020 F150 with the 3.5l Ecoboost. I had to reengineer it. I had to put on two oil catch cans. They have the PCV valve and the other one dumping into the intake of the turbos. It's not funny.
Gale Banks is the man!!!!
I'm a big fan of diesel trucks absolutely love them!! But I'd never buy a deleted truck!! Why because I've seen all the issues with deleted trucks,head failure,lower end failure, computer CPU faults.
Do I believe the EPA should go after a automotive company for deleting them? Absolutely not, once you buy it you should be able to hire a licensed mechanic or yourself do as you please with them.
This is almost never the case unless you're comparing new vs already tuned. Many people tune their vehicles and have zero problems. With diesels, you're actually letting it breathe and potentially adding 100s of thousand of miles to the life of the engine. If they are torquing the motor up and stressing out the turbo, THEN you can run into problems, but simply tricking the ECM into thinking the emissions are plugged in almost never does any harm to the vehicle itself. Torqiung up a motor gas or diesel via ECM controllers can stress out a very confined, fickle system can have catastrophic effects if the tuner is not aware of what they're doing. Cheers, if you think I'm wrong let me know.
How would anyone know if a truck was deleted or not before buying it?
@@PremiumFuelOnly if you look underneath there will be no dpf/catalytic converter, also it will be louder, the turbo noise will escape from the exhaust, and you can force black soot out of the tail pipe with heavy throttle?
@@thelastdragon3242 This is not always the fact. I recently purchased a motorhome with a Cummins engine. I was not aware at the time that the emissions system had been deleted. I had it at a shop to be worked on and they discovered the problem. The ONLY way a shop can legally work on the rig is to take it back to full compliance. So far that price tag is over $15K. Like it or not, something must be done to protect the consumer. If I chose to not have this repaired, I would never be able to sell it again. Solution...document to be signed showing that the system has not been altered. Just like the odometer statement.
@@howards4436 Where do you live what state?
New Jersey has been legislating against modified diesels since 2015 when Chris Christie signed State Senate Bill S2418. So while it's against Federal law to delete... it's also against New Jersey State law. Btw, no one should be surprised that the cops are rooting around social media and every where else looking for "crimes" to prosecute. This is literally what they do. A Republican Governor signed a law that was drafted by a Democrat who, while driving his Nissan Leaf (yes, this is true), had "coal rolled on him" which motivated him to draft the bill. So if you don't like how New Jersey is doing things thank all the morons who liked to roll coal... and don't be surprised when more states follow suit.
Thank the capitulation of pansies such as yourself.
You realize there are literally millions of trucks that roll coal unmodified right?! And there are millions of us rednecks buying them just to piss these kinda people off? Lmfao
@@mustangdemon87 What, a Detroit Diesel from the 1970's? Or a 12v that some moron adjusted the fuel plate so it smokes out the world? Everything made in the past 20+ years doesn't roll coal unless it has an issue _or_ some fool made it do that on purpose. But yeah, I realize that there are a lot of idiot rednecks out there. I live in NC and can't go 2 feet without tripping over one. Thanks for the comment.
Yep, and Maryland was one of the first states to make Nitrous Oxide (NO2) illegal. Apparently 3 firemen, in 3 separate incidence got injured when the bottles exploded. The states fire chief goes up to the legislation and says "Something has to be done!" and the legislation is "we must save our firemen" Nevermind they were poorly installed kits.
For a while, if you accelerated too quickly, the cops would pull you over searching for a NO2 kit.... Kind of a badge of honor.....
Yes they are moron's
I’m from New York not the city it’s like 50/50 country/ city people I went to school with people that grew up hunting and fishing and grew up with people that wouldn’t live to see 25
This definitely isn’t going to help the pre emissions trucks pricing, I don’t see the epa stepping down it’s just going to get worse and the true diesel enthusiast will be stuck with the 20+ year old dinosaurs.
Lol I'm not gonna say battery powered HD trucks are 25 years off.... 🤣 yeah, more like 60.
They base these emissions on "normal" driving habits. Not taking into account most of us with truck hot rod them around like sports cars. That alone even with the emissions equipment burns 28 percent more fuel. Just as EV are only effective if you drive them like a grandma everywhere. Otherwise your wasting rubber at every light and corner. Hours wasted charging if you drive more then 30miles one way a day here in the desert.
Ev are only good for city folk who have no other needs then work an groceries. If they stopped forcing it on the rest if us ill put money less people would fight it.
Not sure where you got your info on EV charging rates and range, but most EV released in last couple years can easily charge to 80% from near 0 in about 20-45 minutes on a fast charger and have at least 300 miles range. A level 2 house charger would take 4-7 hours, but those are only intended for when parking for a long time.
I thought the Supreme Court ruled the epa couldn’t make there own rules
the EPA has not gotten the memo, or read it.
The ruling concerned CO2 from coal power plants. Unless you own a coal power plant it doesn't affect you.
Sure glad my lb7 never came with emissions
Regarding “ distain for black smoke” never had my trucks roll coal from being deleted… that’s the tuning done by douche bags not the deletion of emissions.
Thanks coal rollers.