John Deere 850J dozer with only 11 hours does not run, has major problems with only 11 hours, Why?
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- čas přidán 12. 12. 2022
- I bought an Inoperative Deere 850J out of the US Marine corp that had only 11 hours. We found some problems with it and why it did not run in the video! follow along to see what we found out!
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Best learning channel on CZcams for any apprentice, tradesmen or machinery operator. Absolute credit to all the staff involved, everyone playing their part to make this a top notch channel. Love your trouble shooting process.
So glad that our government takes care of their equipment like our money.
They fight so damn hard to take it from us but when they have it they just piss it away.
You do realize that experience of equipment mechanics, operators etc. comes from "somewhere". And guess where the army young guys get their experience ... and yes young inexperienced guys do brake equipment, mistakes are made ... + if you try to tell me that you don't make at least a mistake every week ... then either you are lying or not doing anything ...
@@aigarslacis4433 That’s no excuse for essentially destroying that piece of equipment, bub.
Isnt integration and mongrelizing wonderful, ruining everything in our nation
@@aigarslacis4433 well if the military had so many of these “mechanics” why could none of them fix this machine? Would you just let a $235,000 machine sit for 12 years having done no work? They could have had a experienced dealer tech come and fix it and then have a working machine… the machine was so new it would have been taken care of under warranty….. there’s no excuse for this waste. If the machine wasn’t salvageable then Id understand. But it was BRAND NEW!!!
Three generations working together is really special!
We had a 544E wheel loader. At 12,000 hours we burned a valve in the 6059 engine. The head was cracked and after some checking we decided that it was better to buy a new engine from John Deere than to repair the original. The updated engine came with all new accessories including turbocharger, injection pump, starter and alternator. We decided to have the dealer install it for warranty. The injection pump started leaking within a few weeks. That pump had a space between the pump and the gear so the fuel leaked out of a weep hole instead of going into the engine. The tech found the seal had failed and replaced it. A few weeks later, it leaked again so they replaced the pump with a new one. A few weeks later, that one started leaking. They came out to install another new pump. I was talking with the mechanic and I said that there had to be something wrong and I asked if the engine had a fuel return line. He looked at the injectors which had the return lines daisy chained together. I turned out that when they swapped the engine, the head was already off the old engine. The new engine came with a threaded metal plug on the return port instead of a plastic cap and they hadn't connected the return line which was laying on the fuel tank under the engine.
Oh crap
That will do it
Great find! You saved them a ton of warranty work :)
It’s amazing to watch you work through the process of elimination. It’s obvious you have a great deal of experience. C&C Equipment has to be one of the premier equipment companies of used equipment. True professionals. Love the channel.
Thanks
@@C_CEQUIPMENT We really enjoy your videos 😊 . But the young guy should have some gloves on, rather than getting fuel all over his hands. Hydrocarbon fuels are readily absorbed through the skin.
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@@sneakypressThese guys run on diesel anyway so no harm done 😂
Well said sir. I agree completely!
I have to tell you guys there’s nothing more satisfying than watching diesel mechanics. You actually know what the hell they’re doing. Great job.
I enjoyed this video. I do cybersecurity behind a 49-inch monitor so living your life through video is as close as I’ll get to a shop full of dozers.
Man I wish I could spend a week in the shop to relive some memories. I really hope Tucker realizes the access he has to the wealth of experience with you and your dad like I had with my dad and grandpa. No classroom can teach this stuff. Thanks for sharing and hi from Texas
Amen. No classroom can teach the everyday stuff.
I know exactly what you are talking about! Although it was my father, because my grandfather was dead when my Dad was 12. He was a WW2 vet and it tore him up mentally. He was 37 when my Dad was born. My Dad is an engineer without a degree. I was a teenager learning stuff and received experience to decades above my age. At 15 I was showing up 30 to 40's unintentionally and they where either hateful or in awe. I know intelligence had something to do with it, but my life teaching and experience truly did the majority of it. I started an entire another career as a Firefighter and Paramedic and reached the top on both as a Former Fire Chief and even did time as a civilian contractor working for the US-DOD in Iraq and Afghanistan deployments. I still believed I learned more with my father and mother with homeschooling before 12 when pulled out of school. I graduated with an GED with the first test at 17. God has blessed me greatly, now I just need some kids to pass it on too.
But can you do it without knee and arm complaints? Poor Tucker, worked like a field hand.
@@wink9970Tucker is just learning to work. If he pays attention, he'll pick it up.
Tucker please take a moment and reflect on how lucky you and Hunter are to have your Father and Grand Father there with you but they are also teaching you. I used to hang around a gas station running to pump the gas and check the oil on the cars and I didn't even work there. I asked so many question they used to say I can hear your Mother calling you better go home. Then they hired me and asked how do you know how to do all the things you do at your age? HaHa. They were teaching me the whole time but didn't realize it. Your Dad and Gran Dad teaching and they want you to learn is a home run for you guys and they are good men for doing it. Merry Christmas to Clintion and Bridgette and Hunter and Tucker. I am jealous how close you guys are. I love it!
Thanks so much!! 🙌 we are very fortunate!! Very proud of the boys too! Thanks for watching 😉
It is a real joy to watch the thought process of someone with decades of experience. It is clear that you sir, know your stuff. Also, you had your Dad in there too? and you are teaching another generation how to think through being a HE mechanic. It was also very refreshing seeing you demand nothing but the very best in terms of refiltering, cutting open the fuel tank, making sure you had a prefilter and valve on the line that went to the engine, on and on, Bravo...Outstanding work! I hope you make a mint on this fine Dozer.
Upon starting my excavation company many years ago we used John Deere equipment. Every day there was issues with equipment. It would be a part failure or computer throwing code errors. I got to know the John Deere dealer parts salesman by first name from my weekly visits. We struggled as a new company because of this and decided to replace all our equipment with another brand. Upon doing so it was like a great weight lifted as everything started running very smooth and has done so to this day.
what brand of equipment did you go with?
Komatsu for larger equipment .....Takeuchi for smaller equipment@@KhusheKenworth
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A plugged fuel return line and a 50¢ seal took down this huge beast of a machine...wow!
don't forget the man-hours used
@@BrunoWiebelt Pennies compared to the cost of the machine.
I spent 2 years in the Army back in the 60's and it's unbelievable how equipment is abused. Government waste is built into the system. Great job as usual guys.
Every year is a brand new budget. Unending money to waste. As taxpayers struggle to feed their families!
Both parties and the unchanging bureaucrats are to blame.
The military industrial complex only makes money if the military keeps buying stuff. They can't always just leave it with the enemy, like in Afghanistan.
Dozers like that are often part of preparedness loads/stockpiles that are warehoused or loaded on ships for years, cause when you Need a dozer to repair roads & do earth moving you often need it right now if you're military. A couple of days or next week isn't going to cut it.
Not too bad for buying a dozer inoperable and only having to do the few things to get it ready to sell! Nice work on that fuel tank and return line, most people would have never paid that any attention and sold someone a troubled dozer! Y’all definitely do things the right way!
Did a nice job.
Why not sand or blast / grind the tank?
I was a 1345 Heavy Equipment Operator in the Marines and that was one of the pieces of equipment I operated. Unfortunately it was probably at some reserve unit and never got ran and was neglected. I can assure you at an active duty unit we would do weekly start ups and inspections of every piece of equipment and monthly A PM’s.
Semper Fi. I was an electronics technician. My last 18 months was at CLNC. Retired as a MGySgt.
@@timothyharlan4734 Semper Fi Master Guns! 9 years, Sgt. I Got done with the drill field on Parris Island and decided to PCS to the Civ Div. Now I’m a Diesel Technician.
Or robbed for parts to keep others running happens all the time with equipment aircraft etc
Your troubleshooting methods are solid. I like the way you get to the problem and get it solved. I could spend a day hearing about your upbringing and education around this stuff. 👍
It's amazing that such a small problem sent this 850 to the auction. Good call & a good repair Clint.
11 hours, YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!!!!! Sweet machine. Good diagnosing skills bub. It's nice to see 3 generations working together.
No different here in the UK, military waste millions in kit, either unused or sold on when totally usable. Costs us a small fortune !!
I’d be lying if I said my heart wasn’t beating outta my chest when he went for the first start. Always an adrenaline rush. Thanks for the awesome video.
The No Run diagnostics are always fun to follow. I might have missed the fix for the frozen tracks.
This video is one of my favorites. It's enjoyable to see Clint methodically troubleshoot this dozer. The word "impressive" is insufficient to describe this procedure. Clint is an absolute professional. Thanks to all of you.
Agree
It is amazing that there was no other issues with engine, not even blow by. Great work.
This Tucker guy is going to be one hell of a mechanic that will be able to go far in life! His work ethic and doing almost everything without griping, even though you can tell he is not excited about doing it, but still proves himself! Great job!
You are even a fellow Hoosier as well! Heck yeah! :-)
Yes, Tucker is a fortunate young man being apprenticed to such a good knowledgeable master fitter.
Has a very good teaching manner
@@AmericaVoice yall Hoosiers lost a good 1 the other day in ole Bobby (The Hammerin Hoosier) Brockway he could wheel the hell out of a derby car but would also help you fix your car like it was his the man had class
Not exited and mumbling. Thats third generation not seeing how lucky she is...
The boss lady looked like she lost her happy thoughts. You didn't get a beat down did ya? Lol
I really like seeing three generations working together. Great memories for your family.
Enough can not be said for the quality of work you guys do, and you do it day in and day out. On the pressure test on the fuel tank,it said, “no bubbles, no troubles!” Thanks for the ride along sir, great job.
Last week on a maneuver all 18 Puma-Tanks failed. So, if you have a weekend off, you could visit us in Germany. Telling them how to take care of their stuff :-)
I am glad you covered the military readiness. We want them to have what ever they need all the time.
Stuff happens and you benefit and that is fine with me. Better than it being scrapped.
That was a very comprehensive fix. I am an engineer but know nothing of these dozers so it was a pleasure to see you demonstrate your methodology.
Just a thought but the 'varnish' may have been a tank coating and the blockage in the return pipe almost certainly some of that dissolved varnish that had been in there for years.
Worked on International school busses. Had rust in the fuel problem clogging up filters . The tank itself didn't rust , it was everything they added to it that rusted . Return tubes, sending units and fittings . The problem was that our fuel supplier was lying to us about the amount of water in their fuel .
I love it, a family working together. Teaching a young man to do it right and build his confidence for the future.
As a former heavy equipment mechanic (MOS 1341) in the Marines I have an easy time understanding how they would sell a new dozer that only needed some basic troubleshooting. Looks like a nice replacement to the D7G dozers that I worked on. Good job fixing it
7G is the greatest dozer in history.
I don't think that it would have occurred to me the return line until I damaged the second pump. The real question I have is was the cost of tuition high to learn that? What a nice tractor for someone. Carry on!
Yea
It could of cost another $2500 real quick
The military has procedures on long term storage. It looks like it was just parked without draining the fuel tank in a harsh environment. That 90 degree fitting on return line turned into a p trap to catch the solids. Good job diagnosing the problem.
I’m glad you found the real problem before putting it all back together.
Never seen this channel before, I'm very impressed with your work methodology, and giving us clear concise commentary on your step by step fault diagnosis. You clearly know these machines intimately. I'm very surprised the USMC mechanics couldn't troubleshoot and fix it. I would hope the UK Army REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers) would have found the problem and fixed it😅
Thanks for stopping by
US military mechanics have clearly defined working perimeters. Being the average age of 19, they have limited training and experience, so their job descriptions are precise, extensively documented and rigorously monitored. The military doesn't have the time and money to train full scope mechanics to do this level of analysis or work. These guys in the video have decades of experience and the young man in the video probably has more experience than the average military mechanic. I am qualified to give this opinion as I was a US Army tracked vehicle mechanic and we were limited to swapping parts according to a published diagnosis manual. If we veered off the manual, there could be UCMJ actions against us.
I was told in the US engineering you had Starter motor mechanics Alternator mech etc. that is totally different to REMEMBER although they have battlefield repairs and back to base repairs. Be interested to hear if that is still the case. I have grown up in the automotive world non dealer specific and worked on Tractors Trucks Cars Coaches at an automotive technician level. That encompasses all the area Mechanical Electrical Hydraulic. To have good diagnostic skills you need to know how all the systems work and simple trusts to work it out. What we saw here where good practical diagnostic skills. No time wasting or theorising. The guys knew there stuff and got it done. Well done.
@@travelinman70 I was USN during the Vietnam War. While you are correct about the experience and ability of the average enlisted man, you are forgetting there is also E-5s, E-6s, and E-7s, who *DO* have the experience and ability to do this type of repairs. I have seen a ship's Engineering Dept jerry-rig the main reduction gear shaft on a destroyer's main engine. That is a job reserved for a two month stint in a shipyard, but these guys did it in about 18 hours, with a block & tackle and all-hands hoisting the cover. The Chief PO had his 1st Class (a welder) put a bead around the shaft, and then personally ground it round, and buffed it shiny with emery paper. When they put the bearing back, it slid on with a whisper, and we were making turns for 32 knots 7 hours later.
That is insane that you guys come across machines with that low of hours. Pretty darn lucky that you all didnt have to do a complete over haul on the engine. Again awesome episode guys. Learning little bits here and there every chance i see your videos. 😊👍
Yea we were
Tucker and myself have just been treated to a masterclass in fault finding and rectifying the same, by two top teachers, brilliant! yet another video demonstrating fantastic teamwork👏👏👏👏👏👏
To me that's the way you do business. Somebody is going to get a top notch, machine from the hard work and dedication of these men. Great video gentlemen.
I appreciate that!
A competent diesel mechanic makes a big difference in troubleshooting and getting this dozer running again.
A few years ago, I bought an Army M1078 Stewart & Stevenson truck from a government auction. It had very few run hours
So glad your content popped up in my feed. Union Electrician for 22 years who has always been a very mechanically inclined person obsessed with needing to understand just how things work specially when it comes to heavy machinery and military aircraft. I've followed other channels like yours and can't wait to check out more of your content. Incredibly interesting video.
Man your the best Clint and love to 3 generations working together and passing the knowledge .
Ya'll have come a long ways with the quality of your videos. I absolutely love this content and am continually fascinated at the depth of knowledge you all have regarding your heavy equipment. Keep on keeping on!
This is great to see a young man learning a valuable trade!!!! Reminds me of ME! My dad taught me SOOOO MUCH about heavy equipment as a kid!!! I am forever grateful for that!!!
Great job on that fuel tank and taking apart filters for analysis. Some shops never would have done that. Good professionalism and work.😃
Great video, Clinton. Nice seeing you getting to work with Tucker and your Dad. That was almost an expensive paper weight but I knew if it could be fixed it was in the right hands. Then of course I knew for certain everything was gonna be alright when Kevin showed up lol. Keep the videos coming and thanks for sharing.
Love this video. Clint amazes me at his ability to diagnose and figure out a problem. Awesome.
Thank you I have been a motor mechanic on and off for forty years and have learned a bunch of stuff about common rail engines from this video. love the way you work.
Great to hear!
Randy is a master with that power washer. His wizardry definitely made that dozer look brand spanking new. He's a great employee to have, one who takes pride in their work and makes sure the job is done right. In fact, I noticed that with all of you guys working there at C&C Equipment. You have a top notch company there Clinton. Would recommend you guys to anyone buying equipment.
He is for sure
And this being only the second of your videos I've viewed I'm even more impressed with the integrity and ethic in your work! I AM A FAN! Keep it up. Being 62 years old I'm also happy to see young Tucker in the shop getting his hands dirty!
Thanks
Enjoy watching you and your crew work your magic. Always good to see a family working togather.
Having been in the Army, i have first hand watched fuelers add diesel to a 30k generator through the exhaust pipe. So I'm not surprised that you've found diesel in places that it does not belong.
This is the first one of these videos that I've seen, and I'm impressed at the thoroughness of the detective work. I'm 78 yrs old, and have been a gearhead for as long as I can remember (which ain't very long anymore) and I enjoyed every minute of it.
Welcome aboard!
That is all good & well however he didn't really tell us what caused the hose & fitting to block & from what so he maybe unsure himself & that would be one thing puzzling me to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I like your style of trouble shooting this is the way I learned to do it, and you guys are good at it, I enjoy watching you people solve some of the problems that you run into, You are a tribute to the profession. Keep up the good work.
Take it easy on those knees, Tucker! Jumping from the top of the tracks my not bother you now, but it will 20 years from now after years of doing it. Years of jumping out of the back of the box truck when I used to deliver furniture have caught up with me.
@@localfixx4184 Yep!
Beautiful diagnosis, going right to the problems , fixing and on there way.
Nothing short of.... impressive! Great job and congratulations on that new 850J. Best wishes.
Your attention to detail is outstanding. You make sure the product is like brand new. Great job Clint and gang.
I tell ya what being able to diagnose anything to this level is surely a satisfying feeling. Good job brother, some excellent work!
Just stumbled across this channel and all I can think about is the life that kid has to look forward too. He’s gonna be a mastermind young. Love it!
Really enjoy watching these videos. If I'm ever in the market for a big dozer again I know where I'm calling for sure. Not many people like yall left in this world that do things the right way!
Clints knowledge is just amazing This video should be sent to the military and used for training Great job Clint
Dude, you are awesome at what you do. I like the way you went by the no#. You talked to workers so they understood what was being done and what had to be done. You were a hit and no miss as you did the trouble shooting. I like the fact that you test drove the dozer after to test to make sure its working like it's supposed to. It's obvious that you were trained and trained well. Don't know if by the military or VoTech but you paid attention and it shows. I hate paying to have work done only to find out later that it wasn't done properly. I can tell that you seem to be young and I congratulate you on owning such a nice business at such a young age. Continued Success to you and your staff. Peace!
It reminds me of the time I got to work on a D9 and a G5 you guys doing a great job the knowledge you have on that old equipment it is truly amazing
That's cool Clint. Glad to see you teaching your son. Keep up the good work.
Great work! I love to see the kids working with you and your dad. Family values, don't see that very much anymore. And teaching them a valuable skill that can be carried on in the process! Thanks.
Very nice content and diagnoses Been running dozers for 50 years. Appreciate the answer on the decelerator. It’s not a Case
Awesome to see 3 generations working together and the young.mech doing.a.great.job.
Good to see a piece of “junk”turned into a good piece of working equipment! You sir, clearly know your stuff! Enjoyed this video.
Well done you guys. Love watching the process!!
@2:23 Now, I remember my dad pouring diesel down the oil fill to protect an engine from water intrusion until he had the time to pull the the heads off. It was an old Palmer straight six in a Chesapeake Bay built fishing boat that sank at the pier. The boat sat for a few days on the bottom in 4' of water. So, when they got the boat floated they would be ready. They got it floated and went to work. We took the valve cover oil filler cap off, drained the oil and water out of It, replaced the plugs and filled the entire engine to the brim with Kerosene. This displaced all the sea water in the engine. Long Story short. It worked and everything was fine. New gasket set and back together she went. But I'm guessing it's not gonna be that easy for you. Then again, you'll probably prove me wrong, again. I love learning from this channel.
Always a pleasure to watch guys work that know what they are doing.
Hey guys. I totally agree with your comments about always refuelling at the end of the shift to help to prevent fuel tank sweat and ultimately scale and corrosion forming on the inside of the fuel tank. Great tip, would be interesting to see how many subscribers take this sound advice on board, if they are not already doing this. As always, another great and interesting watch. Keep up the great work.
Welp... mine's 2 decades older than me so maybe I'll start doing it but probably too late.
Clint I'm impressed with your detective skills on solving the case of Diesel in the motor, glad y'all got it running, as always God bless y'all from Gaffney South Carolina viewer 🙏❤️💯
"was that really necessary" question gave away the man's character, he keeps it cool.
I used to work for an air freight comp. and in the middle of winter they would use straight jet fuel in all of the ground equip. trucks, start carts tugs and snow plows as jet fuel then was much cheaper then diesel. And they never had a fuel related problem with anything.
The paraffin, which would clog up at low temperatures, is absent in Jet A1. Nowadays, there's not much left of it in diesel, either.
I really enjoy the detective videos. I always learn something new. Been running iron for 52 years and still learn something new every day. Thanks for the great work you do. You have a good crew and you are a standup guy. Your kids are lucky to have such a great example to learn from. Well done.
It was nice seeing you 3 guys working together.Keep these awesome videos coming.
Love seeing your son working with you Clint! Great calm direction!
I too, like listening to you go thru the troubleshooting! Another C&C Phoenix rises form the ashes!! Good video!!
Another great video, go threw the simple stuff an work your way up! Great to see Son, Grandson and Father working together awesome
An awful lot of unknowns to deal with.
Brilliant process of elimination.
I hope if ever I’m on a flight from the USA back to Englandland and we have an engine problem you and your team happen to be on board!! We might make it down ok!!!
Experts at work.
Well done.
Thanks for all the good videos you and your team have posted. Have a nice Christmas and new year.
Clinton what a beautiful piece of equipment! With just a bit of hard work someone’s going to get great buy! Thanks for sharing! Kevin
Amazing video !!! I love the work you guys do, somebody's literally gonna get a brand new dozer !!!
Great job guys , this would be a great addition to DirtPerfects fleet or maybe LetsDig 18 . Chris needs a big crawler with a cab with a heater and air, :)
I love to see the torch of knowledge being passed down to Tucker. I have passed on to my three sons and I love sitting back and being a fly on the wall. Great job in analytical evaluations.
Very cool you got it running! Looks like you got a great deal. When I was an operator back in the late "80's" none of our equipment had computers or DEF fluid. I found you guys thru Dirt Perfect. Nice job!
I'm beyond impressed. Fantastic work. Guys like you and your co workers and family is what makes America great.
In your own minds, anyway.
I have to say I really admire your attention to details on all levels brother! When I go to buy so more equipment I hope you have what I need because I feel you can truly be trusted and that is a major compliment now days! Keep up the awesome we love watching them up here from the Fort!
Very nice job, sir.
I'd almost bet the government spent more on transportation costs than you paid for this at auction. Awesome video from beginning to end. I learned a lot from it. Thanks 👍
Tucker is a valuable asset to that shop, good to see a young man hungry to learn and get his hands dirty. I predict a very bright future for him. Great video, thank you.
great video,nice to see 3 generations working together 👍👍👌
I really enjoy watching you and your team work through the issues, find the problem, and then correct it.
Another great job by team Clinton.
Yes, keep the tank full and the batteries clean and you avoid unnecessary grief. Great video. Glad to see equipment kept from the scrap pile.
I'm sitting by the smoker, watching you guys figure this stuff out. This is seriously cool!
Amazing technical knowledge and trouble shooting skills Clint...and your attention to quality work is impressive. That 70's D7 rebuild Chris bought is a tribute to that, and here's another example. Glad to be a new subscriber- best to you, family and the C&C team.
I understand why the equipment may sit around a lot. But it is a bit troublesome that they couldn't figure out what was wrong when you seemed to figure it out in what seemed like relatively short order.
excellent job welding. hope it’s a home run for your company.
Your knowledge is unbelievable. You were calm thru the whole process of elimination. I like the toughness of double checking things especially the fuel tank which in the ends shows you the blocked return line. Knowledge is power. Knowledge is hard to come to these days. Glad you trai ing your son a d learning from the best. Great video.
Really nice seeing Tucker and his dedication.
Keep up the excellent work!