I'm pretty sure I remember that Charlie Whittingham was very annoyed with P Val for whipping the horse to the wire when he was already winning by a mile. P Val said, "I wanted to make sure he got something out of it" (for fitness). Mr. Whittingham said, "You leave the training to ME!" I recognized all the names of the horses in this race, but I wouldn't have remembered that Houston was favored.
Actually it was one of the dumbest. His call were horrible. Glad he retired. He always said an down the stretch they come when they only had a 16th to go
Your right Trevor was in another league. Back in the 70s when FOREGO was for years battling top horses in dramatic fashion the outrage when CBS or ABC at times used Dave Johnson made a statement the track announcers were far better.
channelperl2144 I race, and the jockey did right to whip the horse to keep it focused, i would have done the same. In a race the horse needs a hard reminder to keep it focused.
SUNDAY SILENCE OUT OF HALO WAS A GREAT RACE HORSE AND SIRE WHO WON TWO LEGS OF THE TRIPPLE CROWN IN 1989 THE KENTUCKY DERBY AND THE PREAKNESS STAKES ALSO SIRE OF DEEP IMPACT ANOTHER SIRE OF SIRES FROM JAPAN . ENABLES GREATEST FAN ( 2016 ) ...
I hesitate because of how he suffered in Japan with laminitis but Sunday Silence was assisted chemically and the proof is there look it up. FACT. I bring it up because I see none of you talk about it. How sad how phoney. More heart? Get real and speak the truth that's the problem with the sport. TRUTH why ignore it.
How ironic that on the same day that Sunday Silence blitzes the Santa Anita Derby field by 11+ lengths that his old nemesis, Easy Goer, broke Secretariat's stakes record in the Gotham Stakes at Aqueduct by a full second and came within a fifth of a second of breaking Dr Fager's world record for the mile.
@@JoeKoOhNo Margin of victory, 2 1/2, nose, neck. Resounding victories all. Whupped ! Ya ! When you look at a form, and you see margins that close, you know it can go either way, or you know nothing about horse racing...
Sunday silence was sold off to a Japanese stud for a rock bottom price. What a mistake. He proved himself the top sire in Japan for one and a half decades and his sons are not just great race horses but sires too. Deep impact a son of Sunday silence sired the English Epsom derby winner this year. But yet on the wikipedia page of Sunday silence some clown has written that if he had retired to stud in Kentucky he would have been a failure. His progeny are winning top class races all over the world and will continue for generations to come. His much vaunted rival Easy goer in comparison was merely a good horse and a decent stallion for a short number of years. Sunday silences American connections made a huge mistake in letting him go to Japan ! The American bloodstock industry lost out.
Buster Coins - Yes indeed. Not only was New York the only state in the entire country during those times which banned all drugs, but NY also banned the criminal veterinarian of SS Alex Harthill. And most pertinent, Alex Harthill admitted in 2005 to the Daily Racing Form that he illegally administered the powerful performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol to SS, as well as many other performance enhancing drugs to SS and many other horses he treated.
@@benjudah610 POST THIS 2005 Daily Racing Form THAT HE IN YOUR OWN WORDS BEN JUDAH" illegally administered the powerful performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol to SS. ILL WAIT.....
Prove it. As far as the records go, Whittingham, in almost 50 years as a trainer won 250 stakes and had earnings of $109,000,000. He sent horses to the gate 13,800 times, won 2,500 races, and never had a horse test positive. But when he beats the prematurely coronated "next Secretariat" three times in four meetings, he accomplished the feat by plying Sunday Silence with illegal drugs. Seriously? Whittingham had been training for 36 years before he sent Ferdinand to the Derby in 1986. This guy did not have "Derby Fever". So, again, prove it? What were the drugs? Where is the evidence? If Jay Hovdey truly got Harthill to confess he drugged Sunday Silence provide evidence of that interview. If you can't you're just another pathetic Easy Goer die-hard who still has the bitter taste of bile in his mouth almost a quarter of a century after the 1989 Classic was run.
Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer is in the bloodlines of a numerous amount of G-1 winners in the USA and Europe. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, G-1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Will's Way won the Grade 1 Whitney Handicap, G-1 Travers Stakes, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike daughter My Flag won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Gazelle, G-1 Bonnie Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Corinthian won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, G-1 Met Mile, G-1 Gulfstream Park Handicap, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Storm Flag Flying won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Personal Ensign, G-1 Frizette, G-1 Matron, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Bulletin won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson London Bridge won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Marathon, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Lion Tamer won the G-1 Cigar Mile, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike granddaughter Magical Fantasy won the G-1 Yellow Ribbon, G-1 Gamely, G-1 Ramona {Mabee}, G-1 Del Mar Oaks, G-1 Santa Barbara, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Audible won the G-1 Florida Derby, G-1 Holy Bull, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike granddaughter Funny Moon won the G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Monba won the G-1 Blue Grass, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Dynamic One won the G-1 Suburban, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Furlough won the G-1 Ballerina, G-1 Distaff, G-1 Honorable Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Composer won the G-1 Jim Dandy, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike daughter Relaxing Rhythm won the G-1 Molly Pitcher, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike granddaughter Tiz Miz Sue won the G-1 Ogden Phipps, et cetera. And many more.
I'm not particularly sensitive to whip use, but P-Val could make the least sensitive horse racing observers cringe. He did not represent the game well...in many ways.
Great Horse...But when he Raced in the Drug free state of New York he got absolutely "Trounced" by Easy Goer who left him in his Wake by 8 lengths...Could understand if Sunday Silence put up a Fight in the stretch and lost but Easy Goer blew right by him on the "Far turn" so the Distance was not the issue...And if it was the issue we can all admit the Better Horse
Easy Goer proved to be more sound of a horse I don't know about the drug thing I just thought Goer wore The Silent One down from the stretch battles in the first 2 races thus proving my point of soundness
@@arnoldstrickland5742 You can talk all you want about Easy Goer being a better horse but all that talk can't take one of the three wins away from Sunday Silence
The best horse doesn't always win, that's what makes horse racing. The track came up muddy on Derby day, EG still ran well, though he hated it. BC at Gulfstream, fast track all day, then an afternoon shower, made it quite slick on top, no time to furrow it. That, along with the curvature of a true oval( Silence ran turns so well) Put Easy at a disadvantage, I k excuses blah blah, I call them reasons. EG's dam couldn't stand up in the mud, in the Preakness, he's getting crowded into the rail, Day moved to early, then the stupid stunt with the reign in deep stretch. Pat Day, great guy, but one of the most overated riders ever.. SS did get the 3 wins, but I do believe Easy Goer was the better horse, should have got one or 2 more. Believe me, I would have made more $ betting SS, but the satisfaction of the Belmont, in a California wagering facility, with Silence at 1/5 or something, seemed I was the only person in there that bet Easy Goer. Hell of a ride despite the argument..
@@chrispafrieddreams9118 You are spot on and I agree with very much of your analysis! 🙂👍👏 I watched Easy win the Belmont easily with no fight from SS when he when by, and yes it was totally awesome brother!! 😁👏💪
Only Prized and Easy Goer, of the horses you mentioned, were eligible as 3 year olds to run in this race. And Prized hadn't developed enough to be competitive in it and Easy Goer was based in New York prepping for the Derby. But you are also misinformed as to the quality of horses Sunday Silence beat this race. Flying Continental would retire with over $1.8 million in earnings and won 2 gr1 races, the Strub Stakes and New York's most important distance race on dirt for open aged horses, the Jockey Club Gold Cup. Hawkster and Music Merci would both earn over $1.5 million. Hawkster at age 2 had won the gr1 Norfolk on dirt by almost 9 lengths, then later in his career on turf win the gr2 Del Mar Derby, gr1 Secretariat in Chicago, and then in as a 3 year old against older dominate the gr1 Oak Tree Invitational in world record time for a mile and z half. Music Merci had won the gr1 Del Mar Futurity and gr2 Hoist the Flag Stakes at 2, had earlier in 1989 won the gr2 San Rafael, and would later add the gr2 Illinois Derby and gr3 Malibu Stakes. 37 months after winning the Malibu he completed a remorkable comeback with a win in the gr3 Palos Verdes. Even the much maligned Houston won 3 graded stakes and would have been a top sprinter/miler had Lukas dropped the illusion he could be Triple Crown contender earlier. He won the gr2 Bay Shore in New York in his race prior to the SA Derby, would win the gr3 Derby Trial at Churchill next out, and later won the gr3 Kings Bishop(now a gr1). So, in fact, Sunday Silence trounced a field of some quality.
I timed Sunday Silenc's pull-up. With Valenzuela standing up in the irons waving his crop, Sunday Silence covered the extra eighth before the turn while being pulled up in 13 seconds giving him a time of 2:00 3/5 for the Derby Distance of a 1 1/4 miles. Again, that was with Valenzuela pulling him up. I've never seen that before or since.
@@jordanmiller3550 s.s. VET Alex HARTHILL was banned and convicted many times and his notorious reputation was well known. He was banned from New York when he would not disclose inventory list. The results on the track said it all. Add to that the early 2000s DRF interview of HARTHILL by Jay HOVDEY where he confessed he was giving s.s. illegal performance enhancing drugs all along for the old man Charlie the Enabler. Throw in s.s. needed every drop of HARTHILLS drugs plus the need of small tracks. Lmao
I still wonder why this horse was not popular as an American stallion. His grades are top class and his pedigree is not bad. He was told that he was not popular at all because of his bad looks and his hot temper. But what would Americans think when they saw that this horse was a huge success as a stallion in Japan and that his children were doing well all over the world?
I'm pretty sure I remember that Charlie Whittingham was very annoyed with P Val for whipping the horse to the wire when he was already winning by a mile. P Val said, "I wanted to make sure he got something out of it" (for fitness). Mr. Whittingham said, "You leave the training to ME!" I recognized all the names of the horses in this race, but I wouldn't have remembered that Houston was favored.
Dave Johnson's "and down the stretch they come" is one of the most iconic sayings in sports, ever 💯
The Best!!!💯👏 I still dig through my 1980s 90s vhs 📼 and watch these races
Actually it was one of the dumbest. His call were horrible. Glad he retired. He always said an down the stretch they come when they only had a 16th to go
@@chrisdukefields9868 lmao you caught that. When he was done they were nearly at the wire.
They should have silenced Dave and turned up the volume for Trevor Denman. His calls were the best.
Your right Trevor was in another league. Back in the 70s when FOREGO was for years battling top horses in dramatic fashion the outrage when CBS or ABC at times used Dave Johnson made a statement the track announcers were far better.
His Majesty Patrick Valenzuela...God Bless his soul...
Ridiculous Pat V whipping the crap out of him when he was up ten lengths inside the sixteenth.
channelperl2144 I race, and the jockey did right to whip the horse to keep it focused, i would have done the same. In a race the horse needs a hard reminder to keep it focused.
@noneyabusiness6015 A few of the horses that I've rode did need the whip hard to keep them focused.
Me ride Hoss as well and me always crack whip to dee Hoss at the top of the lane, no matter what position me in
@jlove8445 What country are you from? And when was the last time that you rode a horse?
If you have access to it, please post the 1991 Santa Anita Derby.
Awe Sunday!!! And Music Merci… I took care of him for a few years where he was retired…
SUNDAY SILENCE OUT OF HALO WAS A GREAT RACE HORSE AND SIRE WHO WON TWO LEGS OF THE TRIPPLE CROWN IN 1989 THE KENTUCKY DERBY AND THE PREAKNESS STAKES ALSO SIRE OF DEEP IMPACT ANOTHER SIRE OF SIRES FROM JAPAN . ENABLES GREATEST FAN ( 2016 ) ...
He also won the Breeders' Cup.
これが、日本競馬史を塗り替えた歴史的大種牡馬の現役時代の勇姿か。
Yes it is!!
I remember Sunday Silence prob my 2nd favorite horse Easy Goer was terrific also but the Silent one had just enough heart to beat Goer 2 out of 3
Three out of four, don't forget the breeds cup classic
@@michaelcolfin8464 Easy Goer, with one final acceleration, Sunday Silence ! Hangs on..
I hesitate because of how he suffered in Japan with laminitis but Sunday Silence was assisted chemically and the proof is there look it up. FACT. I bring it up because I see none of you talk about it. How sad how phoney. More heart? Get real and speak the truth that's the problem with the sport. TRUTH why ignore it.
@@makingthecoin3647 aren t they different sizes and shapes?why a heart wouldn t be different as well?
@@michaelcolfin8464 you can count to four
Nice ride.
Tyler Mac we are ready too start the race the horses are too
How ironic that on the same day that Sunday Silence blitzes the Santa Anita Derby field by 11+ lengths that his old nemesis, Easy Goer, broke Secretariat's stakes record in the Gotham Stakes at Aqueduct by a full second and came within a fifth of a second of breaking Dr Fager's world record for the mile.
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The Gotham was ions more impressive... one of the most incredible runs i have ever seen
Not ironic at all. Not significant either. SS whupped him.
👍👍I've been looking at some one turn mile races over there, noticed that record still stands.
@@JoeKoOhNo Margin of victory, 2 1/2, nose, neck. Resounding victories all. Whupped ! Ya ! When you look at a form, and you see margins that close, you know it can go either way, or you know nothing about horse racing...
0:05 Hawkster gets a false start!!
What means false start?
Dave Johnson with the call.
Houston-D, Wayne oaid over a million for him, never panned out.
Sunday silence was sold off to a Japanese stud for a rock bottom price. What a mistake. He proved himself the top sire in Japan for one and a half decades and his sons are not just great race horses but sires too. Deep impact a son of Sunday silence sired the English Epsom derby winner this year. But yet on the wikipedia page of Sunday silence some clown has written that if he had retired to stud in Kentucky he would have been a failure. His progeny are winning top class races all over the world and will continue for generations to come. His much vaunted rival Easy goer in comparison was merely a good horse and a decent stallion for a short number of years. Sunday silences American connections made a huge mistake in letting him go to Japan ! The American bloodstock industry lost out.
SS had to be juiced before each race. In New York no same day juicing allowed.
Keep making excuses lol
Buster Coins - Yes indeed. Not only was New York the only state in the entire country during those times which banned all drugs, but NY also banned the criminal veterinarian of SS Alex Harthill. And most pertinent, Alex Harthill admitted in 2005 to the Daily Racing Form that he illegally administered the powerful performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol to SS, as well as many other performance enhancing drugs to SS and many other horses he treated.
@@benjudah610 POST THIS 2005 Daily Racing Form THAT HE IN YOUR OWN WORDS BEN JUDAH" illegally administered the powerful performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol to SS. ILL WAIT.....
@@sigscorpion9275 It IS POSTED!!
Prove it. As far as the records go, Whittingham, in almost 50 years as a trainer won 250 stakes and had earnings of $109,000,000. He sent horses to the gate 13,800 times, won 2,500 races, and never had a horse test positive. But when
he beats the prematurely coronated "next Secretariat" three times in four meetings, he accomplished the feat by plying Sunday Silence with illegal drugs.
Seriously? Whittingham had been training for 36 years before he sent Ferdinand to the Derby in 1986. This guy did not have "Derby Fever".
So, again, prove it? What were the drugs? Where is the evidence? If Jay Hovdey truly got Harthill to confess he drugged Sunday Silence provide evidence of that interview.
If you can't you're just another pathetic Easy Goer die-hard who still has the bitter taste of bile in his mouth almost a quarter of a century after the 1989 Classic was run.
Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer is in the bloodlines of a numerous amount of G-1 winners in the USA and Europe. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, G-1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Will's Way won the Grade 1 Whitney Handicap, G-1 Travers Stakes, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike daughter My Flag won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Gazelle, G-1 Bonnie Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Corinthian won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, G-1 Met Mile, G-1 Gulfstream Park Handicap, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Storm Flag Flying won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Personal Ensign, G-1 Frizette, G-1 Matron, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Bulletin won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson London Bridge won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Marathon, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Lion Tamer won the G-1 Cigar Mile, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike granddaughter Magical Fantasy won the G-1 Yellow Ribbon, G-1 Gamely, G-1 Ramona {Mabee}, G-1 Del Mar Oaks, G-1 Santa Barbara, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Audible won the G-1 Florida Derby, G-1 Holy Bull, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike granddaughter Funny Moon won the G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Monba won the G-1 Blue Grass, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike grandson Dynamic One won the G-1 Suburban, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Furlough won the G-1 Ballerina, G-1 Distaff, G-1 Honorable Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Composer won the G-1 Jim Dandy, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike daughter Relaxing Rhythm won the G-1 Molly Pitcher, et cetera. Easy Goer's lookalike granddaughter Tiz Miz Sue won the G-1 Ogden Phipps, et cetera. And many more.
Nice horse, Easy Goer, with gread bloodlines.
Way to whip your horse when you're up by 6 lengths an 1/8th from the wire
I'm not particularly sensitive to whip use, but P-Val could make the least sensitive horse racing observers cringe. He did not represent the game well...in many ways.
Great point, I agree. Especially when you need to save horse with the next race starting the Triple Crown.
Dont like it stick to figure skating FFS
@@claudeciancio1933 I race, and the jockey did right to whip the horse to keep it focused, i would have done the same.
Great Horse...But when he Raced in the Drug free state of New York he got absolutely "Trounced" by Easy Goer who left him in his Wake by 8 lengths...Could understand if Sunday Silence put up a Fight in the stretch and lost but Easy Goer blew right by him on the "Far turn" so the Distance was not the issue...And if it was the issue we can all admit the Better Horse
Easy Goer proved to be more sound of a horse I don't know about the drug thing I just thought Goer wore The Silent One down from the stretch battles in the first 2 races thus proving my point of soundness
@@arnoldstrickland5742 You can talk all you want about Easy Goer being a better horse but all that talk can't take one of the three wins away from Sunday Silence
The best horse doesn't always win, that's what makes horse racing. The track came up muddy on Derby day, EG still ran well, though he hated it. BC at Gulfstream, fast track all day, then an afternoon shower, made it quite slick on top, no time to furrow it. That, along with the curvature of a true oval( Silence ran turns so well)
Put Easy at a disadvantage, I k excuses blah blah, I call them reasons. EG's dam couldn't stand up in the mud, in the Preakness, he's getting crowded into the rail, Day moved to early, then the stupid stunt with the reign in deep stretch. Pat Day, great guy, but one of the most overated riders ever.. SS did get the 3 wins, but I do believe Easy Goer was the better horse, should have got one or 2 more. Believe me, I would have made more $ betting SS, but the satisfaction of the Belmont, in a California wagering facility, with Silence at 1/5 or something, seemed I was the only person in there that bet Easy Goer. Hell of a ride despite the argument..
@@chrispafrieddreams9118 You are spot on and I agree with very much of your analysis! 🙂👍👏 I watched Easy win the Belmont easily with no fight from SS when he when by, and yes it was totally awesome brother!! 😁👏💪
3 out of 4 can't argue with that.....
Was there a need for the jockey to keep whipping him even he was already leading far ahead. rude wild men
Yes! That takes all frustrations out from the week, so that don't have to beat the wife and kids later.
hkhorses9658 I race, and the jockey did right to whip the horse to keep it focused, i would have done the same.
@Horsemom Like I've already said, the horse needed the whip to keep it focused.
Easy goer good horse won in ny ss beat him derby and preakness terrific horse
@@jerrytorriero3314 Pat Day up!
What a horse!
This race lacked great horses, wheres Criminal Type, Rhulmann, Prized and Easy Goer ? Not a very impressive win for Sunday Silence.
Only Prized and Easy Goer, of the horses you mentioned, were eligible as 3 year olds to run in this race. And Prized hadn't developed enough to be competitive in it and Easy Goer was based in New York prepping for the Derby. But you are also misinformed as to the quality of horses Sunday Silence beat this race. Flying Continental would retire with over $1.8 million in earnings and won 2 gr1 races, the Strub Stakes and New York's most important distance race on dirt for open aged horses, the Jockey Club Gold Cup.
Hawkster and Music Merci would both earn over $1.5 million. Hawkster at age 2 had won the gr1 Norfolk on dirt by almost 9 lengths, then later in his career on turf win the gr2 Del Mar Derby, gr1 Secretariat in Chicago, and then in as a 3 year old against older dominate the gr1 Oak Tree Invitational in world record time for a mile and z half. Music Merci had won the gr1 Del Mar Futurity and gr2 Hoist the Flag Stakes at 2, had earlier in 1989 won the gr2 San Rafael, and would later add the gr2 Illinois Derby and gr3 Malibu Stakes. 37 months after winning the Malibu he completed a remorkable comeback with a win in the gr3 Palos Verdes.
Even the much maligned Houston won 3 graded stakes and would have been a top sprinter/miler had Lukas dropped the illusion he could be Triple Crown contender earlier. He won the gr2 Bay Shore in New York in his race prior to the SA Derby, would win the gr3 Derby Trial at Churchill next out, and later won the gr3 Kings Bishop(now a gr1).
So, in fact, Sunday Silence trounced a field of some quality.
I timed Sunday Silenc's pull-up. With Valenzuela standing up in the irons waving his crop, Sunday Silence covered the extra eighth before the turn while being pulled up in 13 seconds giving him a time of 2:00 3/5 for the Derby Distance of a 1 1/4 miles. Again, that was with Valenzuela pulling him up. I've never seen that before or since.
@@jordanmiller3550 s.s. VET Alex HARTHILL was banned and convicted many times and his notorious reputation was well known. He was banned from New York when he would not disclose inventory list. The results on the track said it all. Add to that the early 2000s DRF interview of HARTHILL by Jay HOVDEY where he confessed he was giving s.s. illegal performance enhancing drugs all along for the old man Charlie the Enabler. Throw in s.s. needed every drop of HARTHILLS drugs plus the need of small tracks. Lmao
@@andredarin8966 glennys DISCOVERY!!! Shall they change the time Columbo?
@@andredarin8966COLUMBO 30 YEARS LATER
I still wonder why this horse was not popular as an American stallion. His grades are top class and his pedigree is not bad.
He was told that he was not popular at all because of his bad looks and his hot temper.
But what would Americans think when they saw that this horse was a huge success as a stallion in Japan and that his children were doing well all over the world?