The Untold Secrets: Dokken's Trouble with RATT
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Don Dokken's Untold Stories: The Ratt & Dokken Breakup
Join us as legendary rock vocalist Don Dokken speaks out about the tumultuous relationships within the 80s metal scene and the infamous breakup of two iconic bands, Ratt and Dokken. In this exclusive interview, Dokken shares rare insights into his pre-Dokken band, Airborn, and his encounters with Bobby Blotzer, shedding light on the behind-the-scenes drama that rocked the music industry. From the rise of Dokken to the ultimate split and subsequent reunion, discover the untold stories straight from the rock 'n' roll icon himself..
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After I left WASP in early summer of 1982, I auditioned for The Greg Leon Invasion and then Ratt, in Stephen Pearcy's grandmother's garage in Culver City. Blotzer didn't like me because I played bass for the stupidest reason; I used a pick. I told him that I didn't tell him what kind of sticks to use and he said "only REAL bassists play with their fingers and not picks." I said "you mean, like Paul McCartney and Gene Simmons? Tom Hamilton and Pete Way use both." Well, he didn't like that, although Robbin Crosby and Stephen thought it was funny that I stood up to Blotzer in my sarcastic Brooklyn, NY attitude.
I also had prism stars as fret markers, which Blotzer mocked as 'Disco stars.'...Months go by, I'm now in the reformed Steeler with Malmsteen and among the huge audience in our debut Show on March 11th, 1983, were the members of RATT. We opened for Hughes/Thrall at The Country Club in Reseda. Brought down the house. Everyone freaked at how we blew them away. After the show, RATT shows up in the backstage green room, Everyone is saying how great we were...Blotzer forgot that it was me who auditioned for RATT months earlier, walks past me and does a double take; I said, "not bad for Disco stars and a pick, eh?" He turns red and took off in embarrassment. 😂😂 I earned respect and we became friends after that. Everyone always poked fun at Bobby, he was a complaining goofball.
Fantastic story!!
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I'm available for interviews...😉✌️
lol. That’s awesome
Saw many great shows at the Country Club. It was an amazing venue!
Saw rik with steeler and got his sin snake record on Melrose aarons records I believe lol .....shout out to aarons great record store
Love Don's stories. Sitting down, refecting on his life, tells story after story..Loved both RATT and Dokken. Discovered both bands in 1983. Bought the RATT E.P and Under lock and key in 1985. Seems like ages ago, which it is :) I'm 54 now, still living in Sweden. Cheers!
Was 17 in 81, what an absolutely great time in music..i have a 2ft high glass jar filled with stubs of every show I've ever been to starting in 76 with KISS👍🏻
Always appreciated Bobby's creativity in creating his drum parts. Some nice drum hooks in those songs.
I agree, he has a very original style
He definitely had a style all his own..I’ve always liked his drumming…def a solid rock drummer
@@markdoss1045Yeah Blotz got his ego pumped just enough to have that huge over inflated ego. It stems from insecurity, low self esteem and the need to be accepted.
Agree. Most of the stuff was pretty simple but he always had interesting kick drum patterns and just played very musically.
@@jayrusnak Yes, he's musical in his approach, excellent description
RATT in about 1983-84 were great live. So much energy!!
I was Tour Manager for White Lion in 2007 and we did a few shows with Ratt with one being the 1st Rocklahoma, We spent a good amount of time with Ratt and Blotz especially...I'm shocked the fire department didn't come aboard the Ratt bus 👽🔥😆Great dude...Don too is seriously one of the nicest souls ever
Great story!
Rocken with Dokken 🎼 🎤🎸🥁 Heard that a time or two 🤘. Miss them days 😎
King ( Robbin Crosby) died of heroin. He purposely left the treatment place he was living at where they were trying to treat his HIV and other related health complications and then one day Robbin said fuck it, Im terminal and gonna die eventually and might as well not spend the rest of my time on earth trying to get treatment for something thats past getting treatment for ( even though that wasnt the case and it was the heroin addiction that was feeding him those lies) . So he bailed and went straight to his heroin dealer after being in recovery from that shit for awhile., and free falled into a heroin binger and possibly gave himself a super strong dose purposely in hopes of ending his life and pain and suffering. He got what he wanted because he is not with us any longer and on a positive note hopefully not in pain anymore. R.I.P. King Crosby.
I heard he shot himself.
@@RobTheUndertakeryes with heroin listen to last interview really sad he was great guy
@@RobTheUndertaker with a gun, no.
Yeah how on earth didnt Crosby catch what happened with the treatment of HIV in the mid 90s, at a minimum - doctors could have slowed down that bug to a crawl - addiction is a byatch
For me,Blotzer was a top 5 Rock drummer of the 80's 🤟
Seriously, maybe top 500! 😂😢😅
@@naturerules3371 Hey,that guy had a distinctive sound. When it comes to hair bands/glam/Rock I couldn't name you 12 guys that were worth a fuck as drumners but he was 👍
Only band more dysfunctional than Dokken was Ratt. Only thing between the two was Ratt had Crosby the fifth member. He was a true tie breaker.
They were but what a catalog of songs by them both top 2 in 80’s
Mötley Crüe was always disfuncional, and they still are.
Ratt was better because their songs were better. Ratt didn't write all these sappy , she screwed me over songs like Don did.
Lynch never liked Dokken because Don ripped off one of his songs to record in Germany then he hired Lynch and Mick for $1500 to record George's song
Fleetwood Mac.
I went to those New Year’s Eve gigs!..absolutely a blast!.Ratt was amazing live..X
Man, I was late to the party by like 5 years😂. I saw some good stuff in like 89-91’ but I wish I coulda been a lil older to see the early and mid 80’s stuff!
I met Bobby blotzer at the guitar center drum department in Hollywood and he was awesome he was very nice
I knew that of them played together at one point and time but it is the first time I heard of Blotzer playing with Dokken, thank you for the show
Glad you enjoyed!
According to Pearcy, Blotz actually turned the band onto Juan and they ended up poaching him from Don eventually.
This will be interesting. Both guys with their fair share of well publicized conflict over the years. Huge fan of both!!
This guy really knows 80`s metal bands to ask such intrequit questions that even long time die hard fans wouldn't know to ask. Listening to Don Dokken thoroughly answer them us something I never even imagined as a 13 year old wearing my Dokken T shirts and reading every story in Hit Parader, Circus, Rip, Metal Edge, or what gave have you magazine
Stefan, these are amazing tales! Thoroughly enjoying these!🤘🏼
Glad to hear it! Thanks for being here!
BB brought nothing to the crafting of the songs or lyrics in the entire RATT music catalog. As for his heightened earnings, other members of RATT had to sign over a portion of their own publishing rights over to BB to make it look like he was earning something comparable to the other 4 members, all the while keeping BB happy.
Beau Hill stated BB was very difficult in the studio and his least favorite personality.
Great drummer but really there is a reason why no one is talking to him anymore.
Saw Bobby Blotzer play with Great White in early 90's they were touring Psycho City album in a club called the Attic Good Concert Great Times🤘
Thx Adika! That was awesome! In 2007 I was neighbors with Bobbys (then) fiance- Him & I got along hecka well. Really fun guy
Dig this channel. Keep up the good work.
Now that was interesting.
I thought I knew almost all the good from the 80’s…still got more to learn
Great bands,great times,loved the 80’s!
Dude I love this stuff great Don I never ever knew that wow way cool the things you have seen thank you
I saw both of these bands back in the day, many times, and they never disappointed! Without the fighting, they wouldn’t put on such kick ass shows!
Don hasn't changed a bit. Can't tell a story without having to denigrate those he's talking about. I was a huge Dokken fan and it's sad his ego tore them apart.
Yea he’s horrible, bitter as vinegar
Blotzer is done and has been meanwhile Don Dokken is still ROCKIIIIIN!!!Oh and let me add to this Stephen Pearcy band is on fire rite now firing on all cylinders I don't care what people say!!!
Love Don's stories ❤ 💕
Strange because Bobby and Mick always reminded me of one another.
I'm praying for Don .
Bobby was a solid drummer in Ratt
Great video, but I’m thinking it can do without the zooming in and zooming out, perhaps? 🤔 🙏🏻
Is that how you Pronounce Juan’s last name? Always loved that guy, the most entertaining member of Ratt, Juan was always the most fun to watch live, he was all over the place. Kind of like the Angus Young of bass players
We’ve always pronounced it “crow-sheer” but it might be “crow-see-ay”
Juan's name is pronounced 'crew-see-ay' like French.
No Man, Juan Croucier was annoying as all he'll to watch. Him and his "Gyro-copter" move and the other ridiculous moves he still does today. Back in the 80's when I stoned and drunk. It all looked cool in the videos. Watching him live, doing his aerobic workout 90+ minutes became comical. Have seen Ratt 4 times since 1984. I'll give Ratt their do. I never left a Ratt show disappointed. They always had a great sound.
@@billyt9987 Points were made.
I think Blotzer was the best heavy rock drummer of that era. He could keep the groove solid, play some "outside" fills and flashy rolls, but not interfere with the song. That is mighty rare in heavy rock. He seems to be difficult to work with, however.
Great drummer, Great Carpet Cleaner and a Great Asshole, lol.
@ConfederateLivesMatter2 Figures you of all people would like the carpet cleaner.
I'm still waiting for Bobby Blotzer's Batushka... 🥁
You got to love this stuff. If you read Blotzer's book it is just the opposite. Sad these bands go after each other now days.
Bobby never got enough credit for forming songs around the drum set and got screwed out of alot of money cuz writing credit only went to guitar riffs or lyrics, so I feel that. I wish ratt could get along so they could play together but 🤷♂️ both ratt and dokken are great bands and still in my playlist 🤘😎🤘 love the 80's.
Love listening to all of this.
Throughout time so many bands have high levels of dysfunction.
Especially in the debauchery days of 70s 80s and 90s
Love both bands, wouldn’t have been the same growing up without them. I went to probably over 100 concerts and the best drummers were Jimmy Degroso, Tommy Lee and Jason Bonham. Bobby was second or third tier at best.
I always liked Bobby's playing. Great drummer, bad attitude it seems...
I wonder why and how Robin Crosby got the nick name "King"!!!!!! 😊😊🙂🤔 I always thought he was the coolest in Ratt!!!! Yeah I know Warren Demartini was hot shot awesome Lead guitar player but Robin had the cool looks!!! I'm sure he was a BIG HIT with the ladies!!!!! I miss him!!!! Ratt was never the same without him!!!! I read in a guitar magazine that Invasion Of Privacy was practically a Robin Crosby album!!!! Meaning he wrote most of the riffs on that album!!!! I could be wrong though!!!!😊 Anyway I'm A Ratt 🐀 fan for life!!!!
Hell I don’t know but I heard Robin was a cool guy but he sure had a strange voice. I thought he was a bit feminine (his voice). Whether he was or not he had some hot girls and was good friends with Nikki Sixx.
He dated Tawny Kitaen for awhile and his ex-wife was a Playboy playmate.
True story here: Back in 1985 I had a friend from church who said her roommate was a playmate and her boyfriend was in Ratt. She was from Ohio and didn’t have a car so I used to drive her around sometimes. I was just getting familiar with Ratt so I didnt know who any of the members were at the time. Years later I read Robin Crosby was married to a playmate and I guess it must have been them my friend was talking about. Small world isn’t it !!!???
He was 6'5" and built like an NFL linebacker.
@@bobdooggie Robbin didn't have a "feminine" voice. The dude was 6'5" and was the bass end of RATT's gang vocals. LOL.
@@gavinparkes2846 ok. He had a deep effeminate voice haha. Also he might’ve been 6’5” but he refused to get into it with OJ over Tawny Kitaen. I’m not saying he should’ve taken OJ on, I’m just saying. His height don’t matter about being masculine or not.
Dokken preferred DeMartini over Lynch. But settled for Lynch.
A Dokken Ratt reuniting collab album
Amazing how the original sunset strip scene of bands had been so tight knit. Funnily, Don does not make mention of Great White, who had also been active during said time. I myself, missed it by about 1 decade - moved from New York to LA/hollywood to attend GIT. I managed to catch the tail end of the glam movement which had dominated the area. And tho these guys were truly the godfathers
Don produced there out of the night album and did backing vocals on it !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_the_Night
Wasn’t Airborne the band that Beau Hill (Ratt’s producer) played in at one point???
I always liked Ratt but Dokken blows them away just my opinion !
Interesting... maybe you should listen to what George and Jeff have to say... there's a good reason Don is playing with hired hands.
Hey Don…bust out some of those old board tapes let’s hear.
DOKKEN was one of the best bands of the 80s and 90s...
Trouble? Doesn't sound like he had much trouble. Misleading title. Typical
This show is great not like Eddie Trunk that he think is bigger than the Artists!
I appreciate the compliment and thank you for watching. 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
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i always like Blotzer's sound . he used regular snares and kick drums but electric toms. very cool sound
A Van Halen didn't name the band. It was Dave Roths idea.
And then they stole Jimi Hendrix’s logo.
I have heard about them switching players, it makes you wonder who really wrote what when it comes to the guitar. both great guitarist but they had to play each others music unless they didn't write anything for the 6 months or more they played together.
I'm 61, I watched a lot of bands on the sunset strip, but also in OC. I was a big fan of Ratt, Doken, Guns, Great white, YnT, Van Halen and many other southern california bands.
I've seen many bands over the last 15 years in clubs, the house of blues and your name it, if they are an 80s hair band, I'll go see them The absolute worst performance was Dokken. Don Dokken wasn't just bad, he was rude to the sound guys at the club, who did nothing wrong. Ad insult to injury, not only can he not sing, he was a dick. Totally Embarrassed for him. Talked to many other people and its not just me. Totally ruined the night. ITs too bad. When I hear about in fighting, then I saw what I saw, I got to believe it was all him.
I saw Airborne play the starwood around1977 l was 17 they played l dont need no doctor by humble pie it was horrible the guitar and vocals anyway not an easy song to pull off for anyone at least they were cool enough to give it a try
I'm not saying I don't believe Don but there have been other interviews where his accounts of some of the stories have been refuted and corroborated by both George and Jeff.
When you catch lightning in a bottle, You better hang onto it , Most bands burn out in 10, Mass money to be made, Just deal with the BS, Then 20 years later tour again and make even more money, Dokken and Ratt was money making machines at the time they broke up
I can understand being full of bobby
Just to correct Don’s math: 3/5 of Ratt played in Dokken at one time or another.
BIG BIG BIG INFLUENCE IN OUR BAND
Blotzer was great on the Ratt records! Awesome drummer. Seems like a d-bag as a person though.
What does Don say here? 2:53
“Ratt sold the Forum out three times.”
@@whamsie4022 thank you!
I need some wine for all this cheese
Or perhaps you need some cheese to accompany all this whine?
No one else find it odd that Don’s stories all come with rebuttles or recounts from who they are about?
"It sounds too much like Van Heusen, the shirt company. Better go with Daddy Long Legs." -Gene Simmons.
Warren Demartini taught George Lynch Randy Rhoads guitar parts when George was trying to join Ozzy before Sharon screwed that up!
That woman screwed a lot of shit up. She’s a witch.
No one has ever cared about blotzer. He's by far the least popular band member ratt ever had. Same with any band he's been in.
The trouble is Don can't sing no more
Just not the high notes
Crosby overdosed
On surfactants
I thought Donnie Baker died?
You would think Blotzer would just keep quiet and be thankful he was in an 80s rock band, considering how unattractive he was in an age of pretty-boy rockers. He was bad looking and had a weird name yet he kicked up a stink, brilliant. There will never be a band called Blotzer, at least not a successful one, and it burned his ass.
Considering RATT wasn't really a Glam band, I think Juan and Robbin probably wore the most makeup. I don't think drummers get the respect because they are planted in the back... all of the other band members can walk around on stage. Bobby also wasn't one of the writers... I believe that he was only credited with a few songs. However, he was a solid drummer and had a killer groove.
😂😂😂😂 Don:
IT was absolutely not because of my well documented ego issues-
I named the band after myself because my last name rhymes with Rokken. 🤦♀️
WTF???
Warren wasn't as good as George Lynch
Don Dokken tells the truth. The problem is that most people don't want to hear the truth.
Yeah, it was awesome to hear his jab at Robbin "King" Crosby... dying from AIDS. Have a little respect, Don!!! DOKKEN (the band) was awesome, but there are lots of former band members that aren't super stoked about Don.
I thought robin died of a overdose
He did, he had aids also, but he overdosed on heroin, some say purposefully? Damn shame, RATT was my favorite band in the 80s. Wish the original four would get together and tour. We’re not getting any younger guys.😞
Full blown
King ( Robbin Crosby) died of heroin. He purposely left the treatment place he was living at where they were trying to treat his HIV and other related health complications and then one day Robbin said fuck it, Im terminal and gonna die eventually and might as well not spend the rest of my time on earth trying to get treatment for something thats past getting treatment for ( even though that wasnt the case and it was the heroin addiction that was feeding him those lies) . So he bailed and went straight to his heroin dealer after being in recovery from that shit for awhile., and free falled into a heroin binger and possibly gave himself a super strong dose purposely in hopes of ending his life and pain and suffering. He got what he wanted because he is not with us any longer and on a positive note hopefully not in pain anymore. R.I.P. King Crosby.
Robin had aids, but he died from a heroin overdose.
Bobby was only cool MF of Ratt to sign my jacket in London . He only one positive from Ratt 🎉
Dudes,,,,Don Dokken played a show not too long ago and he was drunk off his ass and made a complete idiot of himself......back in the day he may have been good,,,,,but time was not good for him,,,I'm on Blotzer side all day long on this issue
Not a fan of either band, but both guitar players are great. So if DeMartini was in Dokken where did George Lynch come from?
Xciter. Mick Brown was also in that band. Check out the tune “Black Star”.
George Lynch and Mick Brown were in "The Boyz". George Lynch went to play for Ozzy and came back while Martini was playing for Dokken. Ratt took off quickly after Warren joined + Juan Crocier. Ratt and Quiet Riot were hot bands back then. Dokken, Poison, Warrant Cinderella, Metallica later.
Yea The Boyz was first then Xciter @@jonmccormick8683
@@jonmccormick8683Don’t forget, Warren joined Ratt to replace Jake who had left to join Ozzy.
I trust Dons story’s because he was the only sober one
No. Don was busy raiding the medicine cabinet.
Don saying someone is wrong ! Don once said that he wrote 80% of dokken songs. Which is a lie. Look up the credits.
No George Lynch no Dokken.
Whenever you see Dokken inexplicably wearing a hat inside his own home, you know the guy didn't want to put in the time to reapply the Velcro and wig glue.
Delusional Don.
The only problem Dokken had was that they sucked
Don's math is bad. Lol, Juan, Bobby and Warren played in Dokken yet he says 2/3rds of Ratt played in Dokken, lol.
Mick Brown sucked. He was why Dokken never went big. I would love to hear Blotz on those songs.