Even though the genuine alizarin crimson isn't lightfast, I like both, and the single pigment substitutes as well. I'm a sucker for cool and rosy reds, and PV19 really hits the permanent cool red spot.
I use DaVinci’s version as well as WN PR206, which is a little browner and duller. To me, they are the best replacements for the real thing. I use them in my florals.
As you said, brands use PR176, which seems to have varying degrees of lightfastness. My problem is more of, PR176:1 ala Carmine variant is way too pink for an alizarin hue. I'd rather prefer a PR187, which is a slightly different hue but performs similar to AC in mixes.
@@JayNathanWatercolor no idea about MM. The colors I have within my White Nights collection are PR187: Rose Madder Light. This is slightly more maroon than blood red, but I haven't been able to simulate AC better with any other pigment. Roman Szmal's cool red found in their 12 half pan set comes close as well. PR176:1: Carmine, which I believe is now replaced by a PV19. Haven't checked the new one personally.
I love the da vinci alizarin crim. Quin sadly da vinci is very hard to get over here , so for an alizarin crinsom color i use rembrandt perm. madder lake made with pr264 and pv19
Good to see them side by side. Pretty close, but I’d probably mix a little something with my Da Vinci Alizarin if I wanted it bang on the colour. I can see why Alizarin Crimson (PR83) was/is so popular. Very distinctive red 👍🏼
I was thinking the same! I love the color of my WN Perm alizarin pr206 , but when I compared it to so many other red pigments last year, I found it was a little streaky, and went with another red in my palette … it’s such an interesting color, how they have it so red from that pigment!! I do very much love the color of it, a really unique tube!
I just pulled out WN permanent Alizarin (pr206) and painting it out next to DaVinci Quinacridone alizarin (pv19) and they are surprisingly very very similar ! Da Vinci goes a HAIR dark in pure mass tone. And W& N is a slight touch more blue-based. The W&N reminded me more of a red-leaning quin rose. BUT when I swatched out my DV red rose deep (pv19) , the WN pr206 alizarin was no where near that level of pink. Once I swatched out the red rose deep, the two others looked identical in comparison (DV quin alizarin, and WN perm alizarin). Together they look much more comparable to Anthra quinoid red (pr177)
The one genuine alizarin crimson that I have is pinker than some others, I think, and comparing it to the da vinci alizarin crimson quinacridone, it's actually cooler, so I think Da vinci one might just be right in the middle of the range of hues genuine alizarin comes in. Some of the multi pigment hues don't go as dark in the masstone as the da vinci one does though, so that might be another thing that people are appreciating in that one.
@@JayNathanWatercolor I don't use them much either; I just have a couple of sets that included them. I tend to go for perylene maroon if I need a dark red for mixing, and quinacridone red for mixing pinks - I'm a junkie for PR209.
I enjoy the DaVinci brand with a touch or very small amount of quin coral from Daniel Smith to get an exact match. The cool reds on my palette include the quin violet derivatives like quin rose, violet and magenta. Thanks for the comparisons again. Great input.
i have ... i ithink Turner's alizarin crimson PR83 and it definitely looks like PV19s. i can see why lots of people used it back then, and now actually.
Even though the genuine alizarin crimson isn't lightfast, I like both, and the single pigment substitutes as well. I'm a sucker for cool and rosy reds, and PV19 really hits the permanent cool red spot.
I like both too. I can definitely see why it was such a popular pigment in the past.
@@JayNathanWatercolor True. There was also genuine Carmine, which was also fugitive, alongside being made from crushed bugs and is expensive.
I use DaVinci’s version as well as WN PR206, which is a little browner and duller. To me, they are the best replacements for the real thing. I use them in my florals.
I've not tried the W&N PR206. Glad to hear it's a good one though ☺️
Alizarin crimson is such a lovely red. I don't use it because of the lightfastness, but I do use the Da Vinci version.
As you said, brands use PR176, which seems to have varying degrees of lightfastness. My problem is more of, PR176:1 ala Carmine variant is way too pink for an alizarin hue. I'd rather prefer a PR187, which is a slightly different hue but performs similar to AC in mixes.
I don't think I've ever tried a PR187. Maimeri Blu uses that pigment for their Alizarin Crimson hue don't they?
@@JayNathanWatercolor no idea about MM. The colors I have within my White Nights collection are
PR187: Rose Madder Light. This is slightly more maroon than blood red, but I haven't been able to simulate AC better with any other pigment. Roman Szmal's cool red found in their 12 half pan set comes close as well.
PR176:1: Carmine, which I believe is now replaced by a PV19. Haven't checked the new one personally.
I will wait for the pigment pv19 comparison video :)
It might be coming sometime this year maybe 🤣
I too am impressed! I agree that the Da Vinci is a touch cooler, but it is a beautiful paint, nonetheless.
It is indeed 😊
I love the Da Vinci version, especially being a PV19. It's very rich. Thx for the review
I love the da vinci alizarin crim. Quin sadly da vinci is very hard to get over here , so for an alizarin crinsom color i use rembrandt perm. madder lake made with pr264 and pv19
I have the Rembrandt permanent madder lake. I've never tried it alongside a PR83 though.
I use the Davinci,. Great paint,. Strong masstone. Works perfectly.
Good to see them side by side. Pretty close, but I’d probably mix a little something with my Da Vinci Alizarin if I wanted it bang on the colour. I can see why Alizarin Crimson (PR83) was/is so popular. Very distinctive red 👍🏼
It definitely was a very popular pigment. I feel like pretty much every pre 2000 watercolor book I read recommends Alizarin Crimson in your palette. 😂
Very useful, thank you. I have the Da Vinci and I really like their paints. They mix really well.
You're very welcome 🙏
The DaVinci is pretty close; and I actually prefer the mixes which use it. I love the Quins! Thank you for this video Nathan. ♥️🎨♥️ Donna
I think I prefer them too ☺️
I have WN Permanent Alizarin Crimson, PR206. I wonder how that compares. I like DaVinci's pinker version.
I'm not sure. I've never used it 😂 I like the Da Vinci too. 😊🙏
I was thinking the same! I love the color of my WN Perm alizarin pr206 , but when I compared it to so many other red pigments last year, I found it was a little streaky, and went with another red in my palette … it’s such an interesting color, how they have it so red from that pigment!! I do very much love the color of it, a really unique tube!
I just pulled out WN permanent Alizarin (pr206) and painting it out next to DaVinci Quinacridone alizarin (pv19) and they are surprisingly very very similar ! Da Vinci goes a HAIR dark in pure mass tone. And W& N is a slight touch more blue-based. The W&N reminded me more of a red-leaning quin rose. BUT when I swatched out my DV red rose deep (pv19) , the WN pr206 alizarin was no where near that level of pink. Once I swatched out the red rose deep, the two others looked identical in comparison (DV quin alizarin, and WN perm alizarin). Together they look much more comparable to Anthra quinoid red (pr177)
The one genuine alizarin crimson that I have is pinker than some others, I think, and comparing it to the da vinci alizarin crimson quinacridone, it's actually cooler, so I think Da vinci one might just be right in the middle of the range of hues genuine alizarin comes in. Some of the multi pigment hues don't go as dark in the masstone as the da vinci one does though, so that might be another thing that people are appreciating in that one.
Oh right. I don't have much experience with Alizarin Crimsons so I don't know how much they vary. Thank you for the information 🙏😊
@@JayNathanWatercolor I don't use them much either; I just have a couple of sets that included them. I tend to go for perylene maroon if I need a dark red for mixing, and quinacridone red for mixing pinks - I'm a junkie for PR209.
I enjoy the DaVinci brand with a touch or very small amount of quin coral from Daniel Smith to get an exact match. The cool reds on my palette include the quin violet derivatives like quin rose, violet and magenta. Thanks for the comparisons again. Great input.
You're very welcome 🙏
Aigh-now I want the Da Vinci quin Alizarin Crimson.
Haha! Sorry about that 🤣
This was a great video! I already have the Davinci, but I didn't know how close it is to PR83. Thanks so much!
You're welcome!
i have ... i ithink Turner's alizarin crimson PR83 and it definitely looks like PV19s. i can see why lots of people used it back then, and now actually.
I like the PR83 pigment but not so much that I would have held onto it once more lightfast alternatives were available. It's fun to play with though.
pv19and a touch of maroon or orange could mimic pr83
You might be right about that 👍
The Da Vinci dark mix looks purple to me, here, but you can probably balance the mix to look more black.
Yes it was just a quick mix to make a dark. 😊
Very close!
I think so 😊
The Da Vinci mixes better.🤷🏾