The interview reveals that some civilian bureaucrats are more hard-line than generals. For instance, General Musharraf instructed his ambassador not to raise the Kashmir issue at the UN, yet the ambassador disregarded this directive. What was achieved by persistently raising the Kashmir issue at the UN? What did the country gain from this? There was a time when Kashmir was offered to Pakistan on a platter, but Jinnah and Liaquat declined. This is documented in the autobiographies of Sardar Shaukat Hayat, Sardar Ibrahim, and Feroz Khan Noon. Chaudhri Muhammad Ali, who served as Prime Minister of Pakistan from 1955 to 1956, also wrote about it in his book "The Emergence of Pakistan." Furthermore, A.G. Noorani, a preeminent authority on the Kashmir issue, has dropped a truth bomb on Pakistanis in his book, "The Kashmir Dispute," published by Oxford University Press, Karachi. On page 231, he mentions that on November 1, 1947, Mountbatten met Jinnah in Lahore and proposed a plebiscite in Kashmir, Junagadh, and Hyderabad, which Jinnah refused.
@@ImtiazGulOfficial Agree. Except for the claim made in the books mentioned there is no other evidence or reference in Indian archives. It is highly unlikely for Sardar Patel to make such an offer.
@@ImtiazGulOfficial Jinnah-Mountbatten talks occurred on 1 November 1947 in Lahore. These talks are well documented. Why don’t you read about it? Yes, Jinnah sahib is not alive but a record of all his speeches and writings is kept by the government of Pakistan. Please read Selected speeches and statements of the Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah (1911-34 and 1947-48) / collected & edited by M. Rafique Afzal.
@@R.kandaswamy Sourced from Sardar Patel's Correspondence 1945-1950 by Durga Das that was published in 1971, 1977 and 1981 and introduced as a formula. “The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that, where the ruler of a State does not belong to the community to which the majority of his subjects belong, and where the State has not acceded to that Dominion whose majority community is the same as the States. the question of whether the State finally accedes to one or the other Dominions should in all cases be decided by an impartial reference to the will of the people."
@@R.kandaswamy In a speech at the Bahauddin College in Junagadh, after its accession but before the accession of Hyderabad, Sardar Patel is quoted as: “If Hyderabad does not see the writing on the wall, it goes the way Junagadh has gone. Pakistan attempted to set off Kashmir against Junagadh. When we raised the question of settlement in a democratic way, they (Pakistan) at once told us that they would consider it if we applied that policy to Kashmir. Our reply was that we would agree to Kashmir if they agreed to Hyderabad.” Gandhi, Rajmohan. Patel: A Life, p. 438
@@snathan3198 Agree to a certain extent. But these two recent actions, plus Pulwama came immediately in response to peace overtures and were literally a stab in the back.
Dear Imtiaz saheb Ex foreign secretary has effectively played his role,, now We are facing the music , until facedout from map Both stay blessed and your party
On Kargil misadventure Mushraff and 3/4 other generals should have been court martial and sent to jail for at least 14 years. Same generals helped Mushraff on 12th October 1999 to bring into power.
Fully agree. This idiot was appointed by NS as foreign secretary against merit. He used to mumble in front of NS and his father but now claims that he was the main man behind everything!😅😅😅
This guy either doesn't know the fact or lieing intentionally. India had to occupy Siachin after learning about the plan of Pakistan army to break the understanding and occupy Siachin heights. Indian army outsmarted Pakistan army by moving swiftly and occupy the heights before they could do it. Kargil was another foolish plan of Pakistan army which our forces won .
@imtiazgulofficial @shakilchaudhary Sirs, Discussions, not Agreements mind you between say Jinnah, Gandhi, Nehru, Liaquat, Patel etc during the early days of Independence has no meaning and therefore cannot be referenced Reason: Realpolitik drives Pakistan, straight out Hardnosed Practicality if you listen to the Foreign Secretary. Pakistan is willing to discard the Shimla Agreement, which saved its 90K troops abandoned in Bangladesh as apparent in the discussion. I think the GOI sees any agreement with Pakistan as "Not worth the paper" written on due to this "Realpolitik" attitude of Pakistan displayed again & again. And the people of India also support their govt in their disdain. We will wait for Pakistan to sue for Peace then give our hand forward this time.
Pakistan cannot try to become spokesman of indian muslims and remain separate too. If you care so much for them why you left? Simple. Why leave them.behind? Take them
Pakistan started 4 wars with India , lost all of them and 1971 lost 1/3 of their country. Kargil war was back stabbing by Pakistan that exposed them to world
Salam imtiaz ,sab ,or, shamshad,,,sab kargil ma .N L i,,regt,, hi 2 lac ,indian fujiyu k sath 2 nehna ladi,,indian k pas jahaz,bi the bafor gun bi the fir bi 2 mehna . Tak indian..ko qarib ana nahi diya giya ...pak army..zinda bad,,,
شمشاد صاحب کو ایک کتاب لکھنی چاہیے یا تس ایسے وب سایٹ پر مہیا ہو اور خاص طور isi کے بارے میں کے یہ ہمیشہ سے اک بے کار ادارا ہے میں سابق فوجی ہوں جانتا ہوں کہ isi میں بلکل ان پڑھ اور نہ اہل لوگ ہوتے ہیں اور یہی حال عمومی طور پر ہماری فوج کا بھی ہے
Yaar ye inka retd foreign secretary hai. Isse Pakistan ki education system ka pta chalta h. Ye log humari barabri agle 50 saal tak nhi kr payenge kam se kam.
It is astonishing how a group of grown up and literate people together could make such utterly stupid decisions that would further sink this godforsaken country and its hapless awam into a quagmire of ignorance, suffering, exploitation, penury and global shame.
These people are so shameless ,due to their stupid decisions Pakistan is on the verge of economic collapse and on bankruptcy . Generals says that they have won all wars against India . This man is claiming that like everyone in Pakistan , is architect of nuclear blasts in Pakistan .
As a Pakistani from POK, I am fed up of this country - no resources, no ata no bijli - IN please send the mukti bahini to save us.......Love from Muzafrabad, POK
Hey Kingkong.. next time you impersonate enemy, please don’t describe yourself as from ‘POK’ … they would call themselves something else, as this noun is not a part of lingua franca there… otherwise, good word - keep it up.
IMRAN KHAN 4 TIHAI DE NAAL ASI HUNR SACHA WALI JNB KRDA HI ALI ALI HAI FOR AZADI YA SHAHADATVYA ISTAQLAL EHI JHRI GAL HAI ASAL HAI HOR KOI ESI GAL NAHI.......
Most of the Dictators who played a role in damaging the country were not Punjabis Musharaf was not a Punjabi and Ayub Khan was not a Punjabi and Yahya Khan was not a Punjabi and General Niazi was not a Punjabi, Those who killed Baynazeer were not Punjabi Akbar Khan who killed Liaqut Ali Khan was not Punjabi Those who killed kids in Peshawar school were not Punjabi Those who killed the Chachan lady in Balochistan were not Punjabi Those who keep on killing the innocent and peaceful Punjabi travellers are not Punjabi Those who surrendered to India were not Punjabi Those who killed over 80 thousand innocent people including women and children by suicide bombers were not Punjabi The fact is that Punjabis are paying a very high price for keeping the country intact Imagine that Punjabis are paying almost 75 percent of electricity for the entire country, the recovery of electricity bills in other than Punjabi land is less than 10 percent But people love to bark against Punjabis and Punjab Punjabi land and Sindhu land must rise again and take back their historical land from the invaders and asylum seekers
Imtyaz sb thanks for this..arguments made by the guest notwithstanding, Indian military generas are on recrd that they lost many strategic points in kargil for ex point 5656 which wen dott connected to Doklam crisis bn ind china and the areas which china took away frm india gives both china and pak a humongous advantage in case of a 2 front war.
Such a self obsessed beaurocrat , Kargil was the last nail in the goodwill for Pakistan in common Indian public . If you people still want to live in cuckoo's Land, and think you are the best and people around you are fool's, nobody can help you come out of mess you are creating for your self. Amen 🙏
In 1947 it was PAKISTAN who attacked & invaded the. Independent sovereign KASHMIRI kingdom & not INDIA. At the behest of MAHARAJA of KASHMIR. INDIA intervened & stopped PAK Military in further occupying. However, the PAKISTANIS twist & turn the history. Even the UNO states PAKISTAN as the aggressor & not INDIA.
Kashmir had no cause. Same thing that happened in Kargil happened in 1948 when army regulars and terrorists walked in and took POK. Gilgit Baltistan was taken with the tacit support of the British. The fact that you two apparent liberals talk about the "cause" says there is NO HOPE for your "mulk"!
The interview reveals that some civilian bureaucrats are more hard-line than generals. For instance, General Musharraf instructed his ambassador not to raise the Kashmir issue at the UN, yet the ambassador disregarded this directive. What was achieved by persistently raising the Kashmir issue at the UN? What did the country gain from this?
There was a time when Kashmir was offered to Pakistan on a platter, but Jinnah and Liaquat declined. This is documented in the autobiographies of Sardar Shaukat Hayat, Sardar Ibrahim, and Feroz Khan Noon. Chaudhri Muhammad Ali, who served as Prime Minister of Pakistan from 1955 to 1956, also wrote about it in his book "The Emergence of Pakistan."
Furthermore, A.G. Noorani, a preeminent authority on the Kashmir issue, has dropped a truth bomb on Pakistanis in his book, "The Kashmir Dispute," published by Oxford University Press, Karachi. On page 231, he mentions that on November 1, 1947, Mountbatten met Jinnah in Lahore and proposed a plebiscite in Kashmir, Junagadh, and Hyderabad, which Jinnah refused.
Am not very sure about the very veracity of these claims - neither Jinnah nor Liaqat are alive to testify
@@ImtiazGulOfficial Agree. Except for the claim made in the books mentioned there is no other evidence or reference in Indian archives. It is highly unlikely for Sardar Patel to make such an offer.
@@ImtiazGulOfficial Jinnah-Mountbatten talks occurred on 1 November 1947 in Lahore. These talks are well documented. Why don’t you read about it? Yes, Jinnah sahib is not alive but a record of all his speeches and writings is kept by the government of Pakistan. Please read Selected speeches and statements of the Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah (1911-34 and 1947-48) / collected & edited by M. Rafique Afzal.
@@R.kandaswamy Sourced from Sardar Patel's Correspondence 1945-1950 by Durga Das that was published in 1971, 1977 and 1981 and introduced as a formula. “The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that, where the ruler of a State does not belong to the community to which the majority of his subjects belong, and where the State has not acceded to that Dominion whose majority community is the same as the States. the question of whether the State finally accedes to one or the other Dominions should in all cases be decided by an impartial reference to the will of the people."
@@R.kandaswamy In a speech at the Bahauddin College in Junagadh, after its accession but before the accession of Hyderabad, Sardar Patel is quoted as:
“If Hyderabad does not see the writing on the wall, it goes the way Junagadh has gone. Pakistan attempted to set off Kashmir against Junagadh. When we raised the question of settlement in a democratic way, they (Pakistan) at once told us that they would consider it if we applied that policy to Kashmir. Our reply was that we would agree to Kashmir if they agreed to Hyderabad.”
Gandhi, Rajmohan. Patel: A Life, p. 438
Imtiaz Gul Sb.,
Thank you for inviting Shamshad Sb. Always enjoy learning the history of Pakistan from him.
History of Pakistan? HaHa Ha.
You mean His Story.
Kargil operation and 26/11 are the two primary reasons why India will never trust Pakistan.
India's 1948 Occupation of Kashmir is the reason that Kashmiris & Pakistan cant trust India.
1948, 1965, plus so many can be added to this!
@@snathan3198 Agree to a certain extent. But these two recent actions, plus Pulwama came immediately in response to peace overtures and were literally a stab in the back.
Dear Imtiaz saheb
Ex foreign secretary has effectively played his role,, now We are facing the music , until facedout from map
Both stay blessed and your party
On Kargil misadventure Mushraff and 3/4 other generals should have been court martial and sent to jail for at least 14 years. Same generals helped Mushraff on 12th October 1999 to bring into power.
بھت زبردست ماشااللہ
Salam Imtiaz Gul sab wish you good luck
In Pakistan Everyone takes credit for nuclear explosion and simultaneously accuse others for not supporting him....😊
Fully agree. This idiot was appointed by NS as foreign secretary against merit. He used to mumble in front of NS and his father but now claims that he was the main man behind everything!😅😅😅
Excellent analysis it shows the incompetence of the generals shame on them
Imran Khan a brave, honest and upright leader. To solve all the issues amicably and progress bring Imran Khan back.
صدارتی نظام
ھی اسلامی نظام سے
قریب تر ھے ۔
ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد
Such a fool had served as a foreign secretary of Pakistan.
Zabardast Imtiaz sahib.
This guy is taking credit for everything...😂
Intellectually bankrupt Pakistan
Pakistani army never won a war so Pakistani 🇵🇰 Generals wear 🥇 medals for what ?😂
Would love to hear about CURRENT AGMFFAIRS AND CRISIS TOO FROM YOUR ESTEEMED GUEST
Good to know how they all stuffed it up.
This guy either doesn't know the fact or lieing intentionally. India had to occupy Siachin after learning about the plan of Pakistan army to break the understanding and occupy Siachin heights. Indian army outsmarted Pakistan army by moving swiftly and occupy the heights before they could do it. Kargil was another foolish plan of Pakistan army which our forces won .
Baynazeer used to call Musharaf, "MQM" General
Was Benazir not a Muhajir, her grandfather was from the Indian state of Gujarat
@imtiazgulofficial @shakilchaudhary
Sirs,
Discussions, not Agreements mind you between say Jinnah, Gandhi, Nehru, Liaquat, Patel etc during the early days of Independence has no meaning and therefore cannot be referenced
Reason: Realpolitik drives Pakistan, straight out Hardnosed Practicality if you listen to the Foreign Secretary.
Pakistan is willing to discard the Shimla Agreement, which saved its 90K troops abandoned in Bangladesh as apparent in the discussion.
I think the GOI sees any agreement with Pakistan as "Not worth the paper" written on due to this "Realpolitik" attitude of Pakistan displayed again & again.
And the people of India also support their govt in their disdain. We will wait for Pakistan to sue for Peace then give our hand forward this time.
They have all ditched Kashmiris or bungled every time .
Pakistan cannot try to become spokesman of indian muslims and remain separate too. If you care so much for them why you left? Simple. Why leave them.behind? Take them
A gem
End of the day, why? What benefit did the country or people achieve? Just hot air
Every penny waisted by Sharif's should be recovered
دل روتا ہے۔ کبھی کچھ ٹھیک نہیں ہوا۔
❤
The Army is an institution which is always under fire for all the doings...
Pakistan started 4 wars with India , lost all of them and 1971 lost 1/3 of their country. Kargil war was back stabbing by Pakistan that exposed them to world
Salam imtiaz ,sab ,or, shamshad,,,sab kargil ma .N L i,,regt,, hi 2 lac ,indian fujiyu k sath 2 nehna ladi,,indian k pas jahaz,bi the bafor gun bi the fir bi 2 mehna . Tak indian..ko qarib ana nahi diya giya ...pak army..zinda bad,,,
Good discussion and report from "the horse's mouth"
That KULFI was of state money which you enjoyed.
شمشاد صاحب کو ایک کتاب لکھنی چاہیے یا تس ایسے وب سایٹ پر مہیا ہو اور خاص طور isi کے بارے میں کے یہ ہمیشہ سے اک بے کار ادارا ہے میں سابق فوجی ہوں جانتا ہوں کہ isi میں بلکل ان پڑھ اور نہ اہل لوگ ہوتے ہیں اور یہی حال عمومی طور پر ہماری فوج کا بھی ہے
آپ یوتھیے ہو
Yaar ye inka retd foreign secretary hai. Isse Pakistan ki education system ka pta chalta h. Ye log humari barabri agle 50 saal tak nhi kr payenge kam se kam.
True
If he had been in India , maximum he would have been LDC . He is lucky to be in Pakistan that he rose to country foreign secretary .
It is astonishing how a group of grown up and literate people together could make such utterly stupid decisions that would further sink this godforsaken country and its hapless awam into a quagmire of ignorance, suffering, exploitation, penury and global shame.
These people are so shameless ,due to their stupid decisions Pakistan is on the verge of economic collapse and on bankruptcy .
Generals says that they have won all wars against India . This man is claiming that like everyone in Pakistan , is architect of nuclear blasts in Pakistan .
As a Pakistani from POK, I am fed up of this country - no resources, no ata no bijli - IN please send the mukti bahini to save us.......Love from Muzafrabad, POK
Nice try, Mr. Rapey Indian.
TUNDI E BAAD E MUKHALIF SE NA GHABRA AY UQAB YE TO CHALTI HAI TUJHAY AUR OONCHA URANAY KE LIE.......
Hahahahahaha 😂😂😂
Welcome.
Hey Kingkong.. next time you impersonate enemy, please don’t describe yourself as from ‘POK’ … they would call themselves something else, as this noun is not a part of lingua franca there… otherwise, good word - keep it up.
Har shaam ko margala hills jakar kya karte the 😂.
Ek aur 10th fail.
IMRAN KHAN 4 TIHAI DE NAAL ASI HUNR SACHA WALI JNB KRDA HI ALI ALI HAI FOR AZADI YA SHAHADATVYA ISTAQLAL EHI JHRI GAL HAI ASAL HAI HOR KOI ESI GAL NAHI.......
PTI 🏏⛈️💧🌊🔵💙
Court-Martial for all those who involved in Kargil Fiasco.
Zia ul Haq bada nalayak tha,,,,, saare area (sicachin or kargil) India ko de diye....🤣🤣
It seems he is another coward, selfish and timid bureaucrat who was only interested in enjoying a Govt job😂
Clinton ki saajish, Iski Saajish, Saaz aur baaz saajish !!!
Most of the Dictators who played a role in damaging the country were not Punjabis
Musharaf was not a Punjabi and Ayub Khan was not a Punjabi and Yahya Khan was not a Punjabi and General Niazi was not a Punjabi,
Those who killed Baynazeer were not Punjabi
Akbar Khan who killed Liaqut Ali Khan was not Punjabi
Those who killed kids in Peshawar school were not Punjabi
Those who killed the Chachan lady in Balochistan were not Punjabi
Those who keep on killing the innocent and peaceful Punjabi travellers are not Punjabi
Those who surrendered to India were not Punjabi
Those who killed over 80 thousand innocent people including women and children by suicide bombers were not Punjabi
The fact is that Punjabis are paying a very high price for keeping the country intact
Imagine that Punjabis are paying almost 75 percent of electricity for the entire country, the recovery of electricity bills in other than Punjabi land is less than 10 percent
But people love to bark against Punjabis and Punjab
Punjabi land and Sindhu land must rise again and take back their historical land from the invaders and asylum seekers
But you people have made the country philosophically bankrupt. Now face the music.
Joker.
KASHMIR KA EK INCH NHI MILEGA KBHI BHI pojk KI BAAT KRO TAKREER KRTE RHO ROJ JA KR UN mein
Imtyaz sb thanks for this..arguments made by the guest notwithstanding, Indian military generas are on recrd that they lost many strategic points in kargil for ex point 5656 which wen dott connected to Doklam crisis bn ind china and the areas which china took away frm india gives both china and pak a humongous advantage in case of a 2 front war.
Such a self obsessed beaurocrat , Kargil was the last nail in the goodwill for Pakistan in common Indian public . If you people still want to live in cuckoo's Land, and think you are the best and people around you are fool's, nobody can help you come out of mess you are creating for your self. Amen 🙏
In 1947 it was PAKISTAN who attacked & invaded the. Independent sovereign KASHMIRI kingdom & not INDIA. At the behest of MAHARAJA of KASHMIR. INDIA intervened & stopped PAK Military in further occupying. However, the PAKISTANIS twist & turn the history. Even the UNO states PAKISTAN as the aggressor & not INDIA.
Kashmir had no cause. Same thing that happened in Kargil happened in 1948 when army regulars and terrorists walked in and took POK. Gilgit Baltistan was taken with the tacit support of the British. The fact that you two apparent liberals talk about the "cause" says there is NO HOPE for your "mulk"!
Mulk toe le liya lakin demag kahan se lao gey.
Jhoot par jhoot
gar us samay atal bihari bajpai ki jagah modi hota to lahor se karachi tak khaq ho gaya hota.
Total bakwas lies self boasting