Where Should I Put My Foil In The Mast Track?
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Have you ever wondered how to set up your hydrofoil in the mast track? Should you put it at the front, in the middle or at the back? What about when the wind picks up? We've been asked a few times, so we put this short clip together, which includes the "Hydrofoil Balance Trick", that we learned from the legendary Mark Shinn. Set up your new hydrofoil in minutes, or fix any existing issues with your current setup. This #hack is vital for anyone riding hydrofoils with wings, kites, SUP's and prone boards.
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This is so valuable information. It's really frustrating when sportsmen and even manufacturers give wrong advice.
Howdy from Texas! Great timing to find this on my recommended list. I am only 9 sessions into my wing foil journey, so I am a noob. I went out this past weekend and noticed how cooked and fatigued my rear thigh was. Now I can set a beginning balance point and adjust from there. Thanks for the tip!
Great tip, balancing the board.
Great tip. Got the gear and now waiting for my time to start learning this beautiful sport. Thanks for the video 👍
Great video and explanation.
Yup I applied this method when I was beginning and wow after the first two months of more lift less lift confusion, this sorted me out more or less immediately. Then I realized that once you set your straps as a fixed point the only variable is the mask back and forward to fine tune. This method save so much time and great video explanation.
Got a board and foil delivered had no clue what I was doing , thank you so much for the video
Very well explained 🎉
Thank you for this great advice 👍
Great video! Thank'you!!!!
very nice!
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Good tip. I used it all the time when trying new foil. But instead of lifting in the middle of the front wing you should lift at the centre of lift of the foil which is about 1/3 of the chord length from the leading edge of the foil.
It also depends on whether the front wing has much sweep to it. You’re right for a front wing with a straight leading edge. But if the leading edge is swept backwards, then the center of lift moves back.
Very usefull
Well F-One phantom-s and 7sea Both feet in Straps, i put mast just under my back foot. It is perfect so , i notice couple of guys using same Setup with other brand, who also mainly wave riding
Not intending to shaft your CZcams input or sound like your Dutch uncle, but It should be pointed out that the position of your feet 'when the board moves TRIMMED while taxiing before take-off' should match with 'the position of your equally pressured feet while foiling'. Just my 2cents. Thanks Tonic Mag!
Hi Robert, we would totally agree that your feet should remain in place whether pre foil or on the foil, the balance point should be the same and you shouldn't be shuffling them forwards and backwards, that's if I've caught your drift correctly... This was a video about initial set up and then finding the foil balance point for any particular board. I'm leaving the actual technique vids on here to our Technique Editors Christian and Karine, they've got some great content on this channel too. Have a great day, and let me know if I understood the comment correctly!
Hello very useful video, I have one question;
Same setup apply also for Wind-Foiling with a short board?
I have the RRD Pocket Rocket 122L, which is 180cm long, with this board you can wind or wing foiling, so I am not sure where can I place the mast for the wind-foiling.
transitioning from a f-one phantom 1480/275 cm to the sk8 1050/200 cm. board i ride currently is an f one 120L rocket. i am 220 lbs/105kg and have a question about starting mast position for the sk8. I usually set the phantom around the 3 position and that feels balanced to me. DO you have a recommendation for where to start the mast position on the sk8? i have done the hand under the front foils center of lift and mast position 5 sets the board level but that seems almost all the way forward in the mast tracks. Thoughts?
watching this.. i almost always get back tired riding long runs across the wind.. especially if its quite windy and i assume going upwind.. its been this way most often on a number of boards and foils. Normal, or a product of mast placement?
Do you mean your back leg or your actual back? If it's your back leg, then 100% move your mast forward a little bit to relieve the pressure on your back foot.
You should be able to find a balance where pressure is equal, and then as it's equal, you no longer really notice any pressure...
@@tonic-mag back leg.. i do some long reaches to go upwind. Going to try and get a few more days before it gets too cold in Alaska. Thanks for the reply and the video.
I learned to pick up the foil at the thickest part(the front) and then balancing. But this is for starters. Or is this this also for experts?
The clou is also, al the F-One gear fits to each other.
Because there al also boards with a negative deck, so your stance has to be different…
This works for beginners and experts a like, it's a great starting block, I've used this on a variety of set ups and it's always pretty damn close if not spot on. We test a lot of gear here at the magazine and mix boards and foils to this is always our go to start up for any set up. Negative deck shouldn't change your stance so much, but yes it will change the balance as boards like Takuma have a lot of volume in the nose so different weight distribution.
The real key is to use this as a starter and then to actually ride the foil and move it forwards and back until you find the balance point for that set up and end up with equal pressure on both feet...
You are right about the F-One gear too, it does fit together really well, furthermore we find even in stringer conditions it stays balanced, some wings aren't capable of balance across the range of wind and speed and you end up being front foot heavy when overpowered for instance... There is a lot to be said for decent gear in this sport that's for sure!
Where should I place feet? Thanks for the balance tip.
Shoulder width apart on the board, do you have straps or inserts for straps, these are a good indicator of where your feet need to go...
@@tonic-mag I found that if I decided where I wanted to stand and then placed the front foil directly below my crotch, it was just right.
@@jamesmckenzie4572 there is a whole bit about centre of gravity and the centre of effort of the foil, so your method would work well in that regard, what gets weird is when you use smaller boards and different foil brands mixed together...
@@tonic-mag if you’re legs are further than shoulder distance (i.e. wider) is there a higher chance of breaching? Mine are as close as possible but still feel wide. I suffer hugely from breaching (esp in chop). I thought the change down from a 1550 to a 1250 would help but that problem has reoccurred. I use Armstrong foils on a gong board, so could it be angle of mast to deck? Its very frustrating but obviously there are a lot of variables, including the possibility of just plan falling asleep at the wheel… Any, advice, thoughts or even added variables really appreciated.
@@franotregaskis8661 I'm still learning too, so not trying to sound like an expert. Breaching means you have too much weight and/or pressure on the back leg forcing the wing down and creating more lift. You need to balance out the front a bit lower. Just creep forward an inch or two with both feet.
See now this is a year old: doh... you've figured it out by now. ;)
My idea would be the board itself has a natural gliding angle were it has least drag and maximum speed. You position the foil that the board has that angle, so you could basically alsoyou can easily foil with board flat at the water whilst foil completly underwater, the fastest easiest you can sail with board flat on the water whilst foildown would be best positon ? I think you can only find by trial and errors, probably that also gives softest touchdowns and easiest water starts. Indeed then combination of neutral foot pressure on both feet position during foil, and good touchdown,so ideal tune mast positon in combination with stance. It should help with lowwind waterstarts and only be found be expirements and expert foilers. Not for beginner. but it's my take on it.
Do you mean shimming the mast? To adjust the angle between the board and the foil?
Is that the next Omen Foils video?!?
@@griffinbrungraber9498 I mean that postion off mast need to be in the point were the board easily takes off glides best. Lets assume there is no foil, then you stand on the board at some angle/weight distribution were it wants to glide best. Now you want the mast in the optimal position in the slot, were the take off from the board matches the balance / stance on the board. So my opionion when on foil does not matter much, you can place your feet were you want, buttofind the point for best touch down to find the optimal position. Ability to glide the foil and the board even when board is on the water.
We agree that you want even foot pressure wall up on foil. But I’m not sure it is possible to have even foot pressure while the board is on the surface, and neutral foot pressure while up on foil, all without moving your feet, and have the foil at the optimal balance point in the tracks. It seems like you might need to pick two out of three.
Maybe when people are learning to foil, the mast should be positioned in the tracks so that the feet pressure is even while on the surface, and up on foil? But once you get good at it, then move the foil on the tracks to have even foot pressure, and have the center of gravity of the foil and board directly over the center of Lyft of the foil? This might mean you have way too much front foot pressure while still on the water, but once you get good enough, you can deal with that non-optimal situation briefly.
@@griffinbrungraber9498 I mean the best position in the mast slot, is were you can ride the foil and board, smooth even when skim glide the surface of the water optimally, without need to change stance or weight distribution.
Yes, that makes sense. But optimizing for that means you are probably not optimizing for having the CG of the board + foil over the center of lift, which is how some others recommend positioning the foil in the tracks, for the most neutral-feeling turning.
All the way up till, more juice comes
Cheeky... These things are slippery when wet...
The 'foil balance' trick is a trap. There is no relationship between weight distribution of the board and the weight distribution of rider+board. Your hand is also unlikely to represent the centre of induced lift. Centimetres matter here, and that method is entirely misleading.
This has been confirmed to me by foil manufacturers.