Did Henry II Really Murder His Best Friend? | Britain's Bloodiest Dynasty | Timeline
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- The British dynasty on which Game of Thrones is based is skilfully brought to life
Following one of the most shocking periods in British history, a new historical docu-drama brings to life the dynasty that dragged Britain out of the dark ages and into the modern world. Ruling the country for over three hundred years, ruthlessly crushing all competition, The Plantagenet story is more shocking, more brutal and more astonishing than anything you’ll find in Game of Thrones.
Presented by acclaimed historian Dan Jones, the Plantagenets combines his scintillating story-telling with drama reconstruction and brings to life a dramatic and bloody time in England’s history.
This is history like you’ve never seen it before. Dan delivers his extraordinary take on one of the most visceral and violent chapters in British History. The series begins with Henry II, a control freak betrayed by his own wife and children after the murder of Archbishop Thomas Becket. Episode two reveals the collapse of friendship between Henry III and Simon de Montfort, spiraling into bloody civil war. Edward II’s obsession with revenge tears England apart in episode 3. Finally, episode four tells the story of the boy king tyrant, Richard II, one of the most vicious and inventive despots in history.
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When you rule a kingdom, that argument you had with your kid brother in the back seat of the car on the way home from getting the Christmas tree takes on a whole new scale.
Tiger74147 : right lol you always gotta watch your back, it aint Disney where you argue and reconcile
Sadly. Many others die because you crossed the imaginary line your brother said not to cross. If you need more proof of this. See the causes of WW1!
@@pezpowerproductions2602 do you have a site to follow? This is interesting.
Some peeps can hold a grudge forever. I try not to.
It's the inherent flaw in a winner take all system. Doesn't encourage compromise
This series of documentaries on the Plantagenets is by far the best set of documentaries I've seen on any subject. I've watched them numerous times and they never get old. The Brits do documentaries like no one else. Absolute brilliance.
Je vous l'accorde ! Un documentaire qui vous tient en haleine à ce point, avec des reconstitutions de scènes historiques très prenantes, c'est du génie, et du génie britannique !
Kensington minute
Love when Dan said, “your sons rebelling against you is as bad as it get, your queen masterminding it with her ex, that’s off the charts” 😆 I love how Dan Jones brings such perspective to things
Agreed
Personal relationship wise
I know right.
Jeweliem, you are very attractive
Do any of them care about their country / countries? Sounds like everyone is concerned for their own wealth.
I'm brazilian, have never, ever been to Britain before - actually I have never gotten out of the American continent nor crossed the Atlantic Ocean. But I'm a British History addict. Just cannot explain, that's it.
It's freezing cold and wet lol
Have you read Sharon K Penman's series on the Plantagenets? Great read. She tries to be a historically accurate as possible.
I've been to brazil, your history and culture is fascinating as well
Same here Reinaldo I live in Miami and never been in UK but I'm crazy about their history, land and kings and queens.
Watch the last kingdom on Netflix... based on cornwells books about Saxon England during the danish invasion and king Alfred’s reign
I'm 58 and have loved and studied History all my life. I know this story well enough but OH if only they had taught History using this dialogue and material 40 odd years ago! I love it!
it is nice that now there are videos, etc that were unavailable when we were young.
These are my ancestors! Went back to the year 205 doing my genealogy on my mother's side. This took me on a journey around the world and back.
Eleanor of Aquitaine is my 24th Great Grandmother. Love her! An amazing woman! Queen of England and France. King Henry II is my 24th Great Grandfather.
@@lorilewis4447 So neat to do one's geneaology it makes history COME ALIVE! If only we had known back in school and if only history had not been so dryly taught...memorize the names of these battles and dates and the outcome. Yawn...UNLESS one one has a family connection! I lost two driect andectrors knights in a battle between Scotland and England.Then your very existence depended on the outcome! My ancestry includes Robert the Bruce, William the Conqueror and many more...once one has one famous ancestor then many come falling out of the woodwork. WE each have so many thousands and thousands of ancestors mathematically alone it is incredible all the people who have gone into making US. Each and every one of use is a survivor of SO much of human history.
I know exactly what you mean. I kept watching this thinking..."oh I remember that"..but never was able to link the whole story together. Historians clearly better paid / trained / more passionate than your typical school teacher...
@@latinaalma1947 I agree! History in school I did not like it. Finding my ancestors is the amazing journey. William the Conqueror is my 28th great grandfather. So many ancestors with their stories of life, struggles, passions, deaths, and births. I always wanted to know who my ancestors were. We are here because of them.
There are letters proving that Henry didn't know Beckett was dead, weeks after it happened, proving he didn't send his men to murder Beckett. They took it upon themselves out of loyalty to Henry, knowing how much he was vexed by Beckett's vengefulness.
They were probably drunk as well so more inclined towards violence.
They were also told to leave their weapons outside, which they complied with. It was only when he refused to come with them quietly that the knights retrieved their swords and came back in to do the deed.
I live in Canterbury and have done for 30 years. Every day I walk the same street that Henry 2nd walked when doing his penance for the murder of Thomas Becket nearly a 1000 years ago. Canterbury is steeped in history as are so many English Cities. We the English are fortunate indeed to have such a rich, bloody and fascinating past.
BLOODY is there operative word in that statement.
Everywhere on earth does it just depends on whether or not it is recorded.
Thanks human nature.
Meanwhile I live in America and I walk by a McDonald's every day.
@@RedceLL1978 Hahaha I enjoyed that.
I'd say we English are fortunate that this insane past is not in our lifetime. Though it makes damn good television haha.
god I love history its almost always more entertaining then actual fiction.
Life is infinitely stranger than anything the mind of man can invent - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Case Of Identity
As so very true. I can’t get enough of history. All sorts of history. It’s so ironic how events can change so much through just one minor decision made by a single person.
Roger that.
That's because it is far, far closer,
to the truth.
And not the destiny shifters forms of fact, storytelling, truth or even chance or, folklore.
Because it has happened.
Because it has been observed, documented, written about and conveyed via the archeological and historical artefacts and relics created and left behind, from our traditional ancestors, and fore founders, and early ish peoples,
and it speaks so much more accurately than, say ;
"Pokemon" or, "oomphies" or "star wars" doesn't it ?
I am so happy to hear you enjoy history.
@@jimbeaux89 this is what makes history so amusing
This takes arguments in a family to a whole new level.
lol
The brides lands being controlled by her husband where kind of hit and miss. Sometimes marriages were matriliniel, meaning the land stayed as part of the wife's family line, mainly if the husband was of lower birth. Sometimes that meant they were ruled by the husband, but still owned by the wife (or at least wifes family), which was to guarantee that lands wouldnt go outside of the family or become owned by foreigners. Sometimes, depending on culture or if the wife was extremely powerful, then the husband would be a figurehead and wouldnt directly rule at all.
This is jsut background info though, im not sure how attitudes in England were at this time, but not long afterwards England came ot the modern system where women could rule and inherit titles.
Arthas Menethil I think you've just been playing a lot of CK2. Matrilineal marriages never existed as families ALWAYS pass patrilineally in Feudal Societies as Salic law is a major component. Foreigners were always tossed around between dynasties too as Southern Germans ruled Prussia and Scandinavia, French Dynasties ruled literally everything (England, Jerusalem, Brazil, Italy, etc), and Italians ruled the various crowns in Iberia. It also typically relies on how skilled the Husband is, not the wife as Isabella of France took control of England as Edward II was a weak king, similar to Catherine II however, Catherine coronated herself rather than proclaiming herself regent.
Aditya Mukerjee : I’ve got a bunch of Dan Jones’ Books, including Plantagenet. He, Simon Schama and Tom Holland write superbly gripping, narrative history. Most pleasurable way to learn your history. Get smart, while having fun; no downside 🙂👍
This family were the true kings of England, and still are.
The present royal family are in fact not the true royalty of Gt.Briton S none are decendents of this king.
However, there is one member of this family that remains, he lives in Australia to this day , and is the real king of England rather than the
German based family who are at present in England.
Their true name has never been made public but the name Winsor is just one taken up at the start of ww1 when The English parliment told them that they shood change their name from a German one to something different seeing as Gt,Briton were at war with Germany.
I’m always left speechless at the architectural beauty of the cathedrals. That men centuries ago were able to create these giant, intricate buildings is incredible
I'm also in awe they were able to build such stunning building it what was considered a dark age far more impressive than anything today!
Dan Jones is so great at getting you more interested in the history and events. He's really one the best parts of this documentary series.
Helps that he's hot 🔥 too!
The knights to Beckett: "The Lannisters send their regards."
"the starks have taken harrenhal, my lord"
*closes the doors and plays the rains of castamere*
it brought disaster??? the romans ruled with tyranny for MORE than half of ALL Roman history... it brought about FREEDOM!!!
The Plantagenets send their regards.
Fixed it for you.
@@davidturner1641 lol not at all brought high tech compared to previous living standards...Roman retreat brought disaster.....freedom to starve and live without even hot water
One of my favorite series, on one of my favorite channels! Wonderful documentary. Inspired me to start making my own history videos about the Hundred Years War.
Glad you did.
Oh dang HistoryMarche!! This isn't a lesson on the origins of just England :D
Wars
No
Yes
CZcams is like a huge high quality buffet but cheap.
And much like a huge buffet, you just need to avoid the stuff that gives you food poisoning.
Shhhh dont let them know, they'll start overpricing stuff
Mobius Katchmar Yeah, creepy weird “kids” channels, staged pranks- sorry social experiments & reaction videos are the shellfish in the corner that may have been there since Tuesday & it’s almost the weekend...
Great analogy 👌
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i absolutely love to fact that hes telling this stuff with the archives in his hands. I usually distrust acting and drama based documentaries but the study of the real facts and the way they tell them is absolutely fantastic
Dan Jones literally inspired me to back to college and study to become a historian. He's made the subject fun, exciting and accessible in a way Starkey and his contemporaries just can't.
Congrats!
You know what I love about these series (all the Dan Jones series’)? Despite all the arguing about facts, no one can dispute this shows the historical figures as real, thinking/feeling people. You can get inside their heads, imagine their perspectives. It brings history to life, which is a gift.
No one celebrates their history more than the British. The British are masters/mistresses of bringing their history to life through great documentaries. Dan Jones is one of my favorite British historians.
RumMonkeyable most of these monarchs were tyrants.
Pretty sure every country are masters of their own history...Chinese history spans back 5000 years and if you spoke Chinese, there are a lot of really amazing documentaries made.
Plantagenet is a French House who controlled England from 1066 to 1485.
Yes... We the British love our history
Except Americans.
You know... I have always found it odd that Geoffrey II, Duke of Brittany, has constantly been left out of the documentaries, popular media, most film, etc. He didn't have the star power of Richard, the infamy of John, or the wasted promise of Henry the Young King, but the fact that he wasn't mentioned even once in this documentary really hammers home the fact that he's definitely Henry II's forgotten son.
And he died competing in a tournament. Which is pretty cool
And he was alive till 1186, so the claim that there were only two of Henry's sons left alive in 1183 is flat out wrong.
He was a character in The Lion In Winter
I agree! Most historians over look that Henry & Eleanor had 8 children! 5 sons & 3 daughters
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Yes.
One son died in infancy or very early childhood, if I remember correctly.
Was Henry "just venting"? He had a temper, yes, but he was also an extremely intelligent man. He may well have figured that this was a way to get rid of Beckett without getting his own hand dirty.
Yes it seems that way
I personally don’t think so. Even if he wanted to, (which I don’t believe) he would have known what the fall out would be. If he really wanted to, he would have poisoned him or something.
No. The whole point of the story is Henry's volcanic temper lead to horror beyond anything he could imagine. Yes, he wanted Beckett out of the way, but not dead. And Henry accepted blame and did penance
Without a doubt, that is how politics works at its best.
He possibly was drunk, who hasn't said something they regret when drunk.
I love being able to binge watch so many great documentaries! I love this channel, super happy I stumbled onto it.
Extremely high quality documentary. Excellent illustrative acting and battle scenes. Well-paced and dynamic present tense narrative presentation. Actually improves in terms of tension as it progresses through the four episodes.
Keyboard Dancers it looks outstanding how the outfits look.and make up is very nicely blend on there skin to.
Well it isn't perfect and there are couple errors with outfits and battle scenes
Edit: okay there are alot of little errors with outfits
Did you enjoy the nude scenes
Are there more such episodes or dramas?
Except for the scene of Becket's murder, which contradicts the many testimonies we have of the event. He never for once insulted his murderers, nor did he have such an agressive stance in front of them. On the contrary, he was calm and resolute, offering his blood "for the Church of Christ".
Been watching and rewatching this documentary for years and it never ceases to entertain me. Dan Jones is such wonderful presenter and the acting is top notch. Bravo! 👍
Agreed!
Plantagenet : we are the bloodiest dynasty
Julio-Claudian: hold my wine
Ridho Yuneldi Pratama : I'd rather be a Plantagenet than a julio-claudian, I wouldn't last a week if I was lol
Nice
Caligula outdid them all by himself
Tudors: Hold my Turkey leg.
@@craigousmickey9886 The Tudors were paragons of civilized behavior compared to their Plantagenet ancestors.
Dan Jones…. You make history come alive. Thank you!
One of my favorite films is "Lion in Winter" starring Peter OToole, Kathryn Hepburn, and a young Anthony Hopkins. This is the history behind that movie! Fantastic!
The movie "Becket", from 1964 also covers this particular history.
9:30 "1 in 5 were clerics" - that is absolutely incredible to me. I knew the Church was a way bigger economic force back then, but that single statistic drives the point home far more than anything I've ever known before.
History is fascinating that way.
Same for me. My eyes widened at that fact.
You mean it was actually TRUE?
It's probably because there were not so many professions to choose from as there are nowadays, and also because the law was divided into canon (Church) and secular.
Joining the church was the most common way for a young man, particularly a younger son, to get an education and have a career. The other options were becoming a knight for a duke or other noble, or going into trade. Law, accountancy, finances/banking, real estate management/"agribusiness", history, translation, music: careers in all of these and more were available through becoming a cleric, as well as possibly rising through the "management" levels of the church.
This is one of the best CZcams documentaries I've ever seen. Bravo to all involved.
Best CZcams channel for documentary hugely underrated
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Munthasir Islam Agreed! Bar none my favourite documentary channel.
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While we are going mad for the naked wh*res adding them more and more views and likes, it's not so suprised that such an intellectual channel like Timeline still EVEN didnt get an approval mark check from :(
Just imagine someone walking behind Henry and shouting "shaaame". :P
😄😄😄
Wouldn't happen. They wanted to live.
This isn't HBO xD
Whenever I hear mention of a Henry, I want to say, "God save you, Henry!" or Henry's come to see us!". I can't explain why but I am seeking mental help.
Lol
I went to England in 2017. After visiting the Tower the very first thing i did was rent a car and drive to Canterbury to see where Becket was murdered. Thrill of a lifetime, and I was 73 at the time.
I recommend that you try driving on the wrong side of the road for the first time when you are, maybe, 40 years younger.
I love history! The way that Dan Jones brings it alive just inspires me to go back to college and get a degree in history & become a historian.
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This is a documentary, not a fairytale. 🙄
Am i reading this right, video is Britain's Bloodiest Dynasty but underneath the write up is all about Israels Masada?
@@sparkleybitz i was wondering that too, I guess they messed up and didn't change the blurb
i am a Ghanaian but find myself in love with everything British. Language, Culture, History, football (Man United and English National team) and the Royal Family. I think it's an obsession I can't overcome nor explain. 🇬🇭🇬🇧
My husband is a descendant of the Plantagenets. This is on his mother's side. Many people are who really do not even know. Without doing genealogy one would probably not realize it. They are Tudor's also He was able to go back to King Henry the 2nd
It is amazing to me, as we have been married 50 years and have two grown, married sons and grandchildren and great-grandchildren now. Never knew it until when we were retired and my husband began doing his family tree and what we have found is more than amazing.
Thank you for this video, as this adds more understanding and brings the history to life,
Cool stories bros
I'ma descendant of the people the plantagenets enslaved
So much BS here its laughable.
@@aarons6935
I know.
So many people that always have to claim they're related to royalty, when you know it's just BS.
I love to scroll through the comments, just to see the numerous people who are ALL related to royalty from nearly a thousand years ago. Yeah, I'm sure you all went digging just to find that out. Lol
I thought the line of Henry II became extinct during the time of Henry VIII. Hmmmm.
@@MichaelFoxMFX My husbands ran through the same lines, and it is nice to know you have the family line even though there have been good and bad players on the scenes. It is for all tthigns in this world as far as leaders. But we know overall they sure had the chance to live one lovely life but it came with grand responsibilities we would not ever know. My husbands started with King Henry the 2 nd and 3rd and the line followed down to the present Royal family, But they switched over during the years as cousins and blithers would be in different lines for various reasons Maybe one passed, or somehow through wars between them the other side would win to take over. So it changed a bit. Gen Sherman and even Churchill showed up as Princess Diana was a distant cousin and also Princess Katherine is a distant cousin,
Wow, this was quite brilliant covering a complicated piece of History so concisely. Well done !
One might argue that if Henry II wasn't so much of a control freak, would have trained his sons earlier into how to rule and how to be devious. And since he should have known that disease robs usually at least one of your children in those times, should have trained them all and channeled their ambition and need to fight towards others, like the scots, the vikings or the french. He was a great king, but a terrible father.
Never have your son crowned king while you are alive; Henry's first big mistake.
@@sheilabloom6735 In essence, Henry II was investing Henry the Young King the way the Kings and Queens of Britain today would invest their eldest as the Prince of Wales. It wasn't anything odd. In fact, the idea was imported from France - his wife Eleanor, in her first marriage, was married to the "junior" King of France before the "senior" King died and they were immediately elevated to "senior" King and Queen. The idea is to have a clear line of succession and therefore less chance of a succession dispute after the "senior" King dies. Witness the chaos that followed William the Conqueror's death, when all three of his sons tried to seize control of England despite his explicit will.
Aisling Yinyr Ngaio He had the young Henry crowned as king. You can’t have two kings.
@@sheilabloom6735 He crowned his son the "Young" king, aka the junior king. Henry II never abdicated. His son just got too big for his britches.
Aisling Yinyr Ngaio -right
My family works exactly like Prataganants. Except we fight over fried chicken.
😂
Dad gets the night piece of chicken it's no joke
Jon Treasure Yes, one of my little brother likes to correct everyone else . That makes him really popular.
Prataganants Don't you mean Plantagenet
@@TPerm-hj4sf Perhaps your little brother understands the value of not making a fool of himself in public?
"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?!?"
Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole played Becket and Henry with absolute brilliance in the biopic "Becket."
Becket was an entertaining movie as was the Lion in Winter. We have to be careful in believing the movies are literal...
I just finished Dan Jones Plantagenets book. And it is chock full of drama, kings, queen regents, battles, and this family shaped England into what it is today. They started parliament and gave the Magna Carta. All of your history is amazing!!! I love reading about European history especially England.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jones_(writer)
The factual background to the great movie "A Lion in Winter"... Love that movie.
Tom Monk I was thinking the exact same thing! Man, that movie is a masterpiece.
you mean The Lion in Winter? theres an old and a 2003 version.
Katherine Hepburn and Peter O'Toole are stupendous.
"My life when it is written, will read better than it lived."
"What family doesn't have its ups and downs?" love that hepburn line
It’s beyond me what motive the producers have to exonerate Henry the II. His words were more than, “What miserable traitors have promoted…who let their lords be treated with such shameful contempt by a low born clerk?” There was an addendum: “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?” A bold challenge to his followers and clearly a veiled command.
But you should not look at Henry through 21st-century eyes. Most people were pretty appalling in those days. Cruel and savage.
And then executed the knights who did his bidding ..
Also Henry never said that
Who hasn't said, "I could just KILL you" in anger ? D
I think you may actually be speaking William Shakespeares words from the play.
This channel has the quality of a tv show on a major network. I love history so much and this channel makes it even more entertaining. Fantastic work!
That's because it's a TV show from a major network. Isn't that obvious?
That would be because it is reuploads of major network documentaries, with permission of course
Love how I'm getting ads to buy this series as I'm watching it for free.
You guys are unbelievable. The actors, the narration, the quality!
This series is some of the best documentaries ever. Great little reenactments, the facts, the visits the RL locations. Gold.
I wandered back here to watch this series again. Absolutely top marks. Great for lockdown or even just for fun. Very well researched and Dan Jones is a marvel. Thanks so much for posting. Cheers from Canada.
Eleanor was not a queen. She was THE queen.
She definitely was
Her divorce from Louis VII was the most expensive one in History.
Henry was THE King and Eleanore was THE Queen. They ruled together, each bringing what benefited the Kingdom best......until she betrayed him because he used funds from her land without her permission....Still doesn't make it right for her to betray her husband. Nor does it make it right for her husband to be homosexual.
Lady Jay Mac She was a woman who refused to obey her husband, unacceptable behaviour whether she was queen or not.
Nicov55 henry VIII and catherine of aragon are shaking &/&2&:
A wonderful presentation, thank you for sharing it with all of us here on youtube. Fascinating.
Amazingly interesting!!! Great way to enjoy my Sunday 😃
I love this channel but I wish we could have more Dan Jones docs like these!
I watched this a year after it came out, I absolutely LOVED it! Binging again because I'm bored in quarantine.
man i love this channel. like a tv show but better
This documentary is from TV, I remember it coming out, not too sure about the others.
This is on Amazon Prime right now also
Channel 5 has it.
Who needs Game of Thrones when you have history?
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I've been binge watching these videos. They're so interesting, I love them.
I could honesty listen to this guy talk about history all day and never be bored
This guy is awesome at making history so interesting and easy to follow
"Kill me here!" "Ok lol"
Read about Solomon ordering the death of Joab in the Bible!
@@uncasunga1800 no.
The costumes in this are absolutely gorgeous.
Well yeah but not 100% accurate
@@bobthebuilder2922 who asked
@@tou7331 no one. Who gave you the permission to comment?
@@bobthebuilder2922 no one needs permission to make a comment but when you randomly bring something up people are gonna question it
@@tou7331 i just said they are not 100% accurate. Please just shut up... you are really annoying
Thoroughly enjoyed this, thanks !
the feel when I just watch bloody crown series. then I saw Eleanor and immediately called her "Margaret Beaufort"
Saving costs by recasting actors, lol
I think King Henry was also there, one of the Woodvilles as I recall, Lord Rivers guardian to the tragic Prince Edward who was murdered in the Tower by Richard III...
wow, didn't catch that
I would like to give Henry the benefit of the doubt that his walk of shame wasn't just propaganda, I think he was actually grieving the loss of his friend.
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Yes i agree. After all, if it's truly a miracle from God, He only see the intentions of one's heart... as per Psalm
I think it could have been both. It was a smart political and PR move, but it was also his chance to make things right and square things up with the ghost of his dead friend
Interesting doc, best I've seen on CZcams so far..
Such an incredible documentary! Presenter kills it, I’m definitely gonna be binging these
Fantastic documentary. The narration, acting, costumes and information was all top notch.
nothing better than a handsome man enthusiastic about history
History of popes
At first, I thought the Narrator's cheeky demeanor indicated a shallow history would follow, I was wrong. This video is both informative and very entertaining. Very well done.
Dan is cheeky 😂 but he's a great author. His book on the Plantagenets actually began my fascination with medieval history
So basically Beckett tried to be Littlefinger
Rather High Sparrow
@@madeleinedartois4689 def the high sparrow lol
In what way- could you please explain the comparison?
Warwick is more like Littlefinger
Loved this episode because two of my all time favorite movies are The Lion In Winter and Becket.
Best history documentary I have seen in a while. Almost as thrilling as Game of thrones. But knowing it actually happened is illuminating and gives new perspective on history. I did not realize that around this time a French King mainly ruled England and parts of France.
Thomas Becket was a Norman by ancestry, both parents were born in Normandy, nowadays his name would be spelled Becquet, an existing common surname in the region.
Remember seeing “Beckett” for free when I worked in the theaters. Either Peter O’Toole or Richard Burton deserved the Oscar for their performances.
Hit it out of the park!
Entertaining and educational wow
And great narration. Thank ya
20:15 Aquitaine :
"Apparently the food and weather are better here too..."😅😅
Yeah, hilarious !!
I actually feel this is unfair to Henry II. I don't think he was obsessed with control, I just think he thought his son's weren't competent enough to rule, and to be fair he was right, all of them were incompetent.
Henry the young king was obviously not forward thinking, Richard the Lionheart bankrupted the country on middle eastern adventures and I don't even have to start with John. I think he could also easily justify locking up Eleanor of Acquitaine, she was scheming to put her incompetents sons on the throne after all
It’s also quite unfair to St. Thomas Becket. It makes him seem like a coward during his martyrdom.
Especially where the Young King is concerned to hit the nail on the head. None of his sons were worthy of him. If he was such an obsessive control freak, then explain how he founded a governmental system which was completely based on delegation? A system it must be said which was the best managed in Europe, bar none.
@@RomanusVII It’s complete fine to be “unfair” to Thomas Becket. He was a zealous, intractable, ungrateful prig who stood for priests being beyond punishment by secular authority. Consider what that truly means… especially in our own times.
@@CommonSwindler
That is not at all what Thomas Becket supported. Ecclesiastical Courts could never deal out punishments themselves, only have trials. Punishment always came from secular authority, but what Becket wanted was trails done in ecclesiastical courts. Consider that Henry’s courts were practically non existent, in that trials were so unfair that many people lost their lives without proper trials. There’s a reason that during the Inquisition, criminals would add crimes of heresy or blasphemy to their charges, so that they could be dealt with by the Ecclesiastical courts, not the Secular.
@@RomanusVII It is precisely what Becket’s faction supported. That is what the criminous clerks clause in the Clarendon Constitutions revolved around. The push to codify the authority of secular courts (Henry II’s courts were by no means “nonexistent”, consider the bureaucracy and government he had inherited from his grandfather, albeit one which had been lax under Stephen) stemmed from a practical need, sought by all concerned, cleric and layman:
“The inadequacy of ecclesiastical discipline was the burden of many complaints reaching the king when he returned to England in 1163. He was told that since his coronation more than a hundred murders had been committed by clerks, as well as innumerable cases of theft and of robbery with violence which had escaped the rigours of secular justice.” (W.L. Warren, Henry II, 464-465)
Warren adds a telling side note: “It is noticeable that neither Becket nor his partisans ever claimed that the clause on criminous clerks in the Constitutions of Clarendon, or indeed any of the other clauses, were contrary to the ancient custom of the realm.” (W.L. Warren, Henry II, 463)
Furthermore, I’d add that it is significant that Henry II was able to maintain, in some ways unofficially, many of the teeth of the Constitutions even after the fallout of Becket’s murder and the subsequent Compromise at Avranches in 1172. Henry II could still intervene in ecclesiastical affairs ‘per voluntatem’ and did so successful, consider the famous case of the election of his clerk Richard of Ilchester to the Bishopric of Winchester. Indeed with this in mind it is difficult to see what Henry II really lost in the way of jurisdiction, since the majority of cases were of “little concern to the king” (Mayr-Harting, Henry II and the Papacy 1170-1189). That the Church was willing to compromise on the Constitutions themselves and that Henry was able to play an incredibly shrewd game of negotiation with Alexander III and his legates, stretching meanings and successfully extracting as much as possible from wordings indicate that Henry II’s position was legally tenable and, if glossed correctly and unofficially, was acceptable to the Church in order that harmonious relations could be restored and prove beneficial to all.
The proof of this pudding is in the eating. That this was done after Becket’s murder indicates what a thoroughly exasperating and uncompromising man was Thomas Becket. History has proven rightly unkind to his position (consider whether or not own “criminous clerks” should be exempt from secular justice after molesting children.) Becket’s intransigence stemmed not from his own sense of the legal steadfastness of his own position but from a deep insecurity of his status: he had been clearly the king’s man who had been raised and appointed by Henry to navigate the Church alongside royal policy, as Becket had done devotedly in the secular realm on Henry’s behalf for years. Becket then sought to pick an existential fight at every turn, which his fellow clerics had more political sense than to do. The success of the Church in England was that it worked within the bounds and did not seek to make an outright challenge to royal power. Better experienced bishops like Gilbert Foliot or even Alexander III understood this as a balancing act requiring tact. Becket, ever the intractably insufferable zealot, manifestly and demonstrably did not. Zealots are often so because they are insecure and have only a rudimentary grasp on the subtleties of the game.
Wonderful video, Dan. My wife and I just started reading your "Power and Thrones". It reads so well we can hardly stop reading. Thank you.
What a great story, and well presented. I am looking forward to parts 3-4.
this documentary it´s simply impressive!
briliant documentary!
thanks for this documentary. perfect storytelling and brilliant research.
I'm really getting into and appreciating this series. Thanks Dan Jones!
no one messes with the High Sparrow
garyly 41 HAHAHHAHAHA
...and this Richard is the Coeur de Lion, holy smoke.
How in teaching Medieval History for 12 year have I missed this lesson on this channel? Excellent commentary and portrayal of this story. Thank you
Wonderfully narrated thank you love it.
Haven't seen any new documentary with Dan Jones in a time. Love to see more of him! He's a cool presenter.
Thank-you for these wonderful documentaries! ....Dan Jones is one of the best historians in my opinion... He is extremely knowledgeable about the topics he presents and he is always very enthusiastic about it!
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
Thanks for this series! Henry Plantagenet II is my 28th great grandfather twice.
The Plantagenets live on to some degree actually, through a maternal line. Their head was a rancher in Australia who was tracked down as a potential actual king of England lol. From bloodthirsty kings to sippin beer in the Australian outback. Also, the British still use French to giving royal assent to a public bill.
Illegitimate line is still around king John had a son richard plantagent of england who had an illegitimate son with an unknown mistress and bore richard cornwall of thunnock 4 or 5 generations on his great grandchild Margaret of cornwall was born she is my 15th great grandmother so the illegitimate line of plantagents are around.
Oh yes, Aussie Mike, who was really the Earl of Hastings. He was a great guy, very unassuming and unpretentious. Pity he's dead. And even more of a pity that he isn't the present incumbent of Buck House :-))).
The line traces to the Queen today as she is a descendant of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York who are both descended from Edward III (Henry II's great-great-great grandson.)
Eh, Elizabeth of York was a Plantagenet, so much of European royalty have Plantagenet blood.
I have a naive question but why did they speak French in England in the 10th century?
Timeline: "Eleanor of Aquitane is 10 years her husband's senior."
Also Timeline: *casts a 14-year old to play her*
Ilznidiotic, I was thinking the same thing. She’s supposed to be 10 years older than Henry II but Henry’s looks like the old one. I just think they found a cute Eleanor.
@@markpapenfuss1111 They only have a small cast of actors for this series and you'll see them cropping up in different roles as it goes on, like the actor playing Henry appearing as a random knight for example
weldonwin Yup. Guy who plays Simon de Montfort also plays Lord Hastings in the War of the Roses series
@@markpapenfuss1111 yep she's too young & pretty to be a middle aged lady... Well I'm a middle aged lady... And no one thinks I am...
She may well have been older that Henry, but she was reputed to have been beautiful.
This guy needs to continue doing historical videos. He's great!
I love history and I love this channel.
Splendid channel, great narrative work, fantastic actors (some cute ones as well, heh), you put so much work into these, I was surprised the actors spoke in those days language!
thank you Timeline!
Really beautifully made documentary!
Must have been a lot of work with customes and sets to film such a realistic scenery.
Terminology was sometimes remarkable... seeing queens as “baby machines” (5:59)... 😂
I really enjoy this series, thanks for the uploads!...the presenter is also a bonus,very handsome and a pleasant speaking voice♥
Ema Watson twin brother !
This is VERY well done. thank you
This was so well put together 👑.
This series is just so good! I'm an Irishman but my favourite time in history is medieval England, so Game of Thrones!!!
Dr.derp
I’m middle eastern and I also love English history. My favourite time is 18th and 19th century England, but Medieval English history is also great.
Me too 😁 since teenager love hearing history. I could read and imagine it in same time. Now, just watching and understanding the language and story plot. 👍
I love these Monarchy documentaries. I've watched so many that I'm getting pretty smart :)
Dan Jones delivery is perfect for this series
Great doco, thanks!