I’m currently a Protestant, but I’ve been learning about the Orthodox Church, and I recently purchased the Orthodox study Bible. Thank you for this video. I keep looking for more literature to give me understanding about the Orthodox Church.
There is a lot you can read. Firstly I recommend The Orthodox Church by Kallistos Ware. Try to get the older edition. Then, an easy to read book that explains what the common Orthodox folk go through as regards their spirituality is The Way of a Pilgrim. Really, it would be best for you to attend services, especially next week when we have Holy Week (our Paschal calendar is different, so we are just getting to Palm Sunday).
@@CharlesSeraphDrums I just ordered apostolic fathers on Amazon should arrive tomorrow, I’m super excited to read that. Also on the side I began reading a book on John Crysotomom (I think i misspelled his name).
@@CharlesSeraphDrums I will look for an Orthodox Church in the Los Angeles county area. I’m familiar with Josiah Trenham, but that’s a long ways from where I live.
@@mrniceguy3006 1. Saint Sophia Greek Orthodox Cathedral 1324 S Normandie Ave Los Angeles, CA 90006 2. Holy Transfiguration Russian Orthodox Cаthedral 5432 Fernwood Ave Los Angeles, CA 90027
I use the Lexham Septuagint for the Old Testament (which includes all the Orthodox books), and I use the EOB for the New Testament. Both are very good and useful translations. I have a compact KJV in my backpack for work/travel.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums ¿Qué opinas de The Orthodox Way por Kallistos Ware? Without that book, I wouldn’t be a Christian at all, much less an Orthodox Christian.
@@mitrahispana4119 Original edition is quite good and a very fair introduction. You should move on from it eventually but it is a very good book to start!
I take it the EOB OT still isn't completed? I tried searching online and got conflicted info - some saying it was done but awaiting ecumenical blessing, some saying it's in progress, and some appearing to say the project was dropped mid-effort. Does anyone know how it's going?
Thank you for your video. I have the Orthodox Study Bible and it's fine for my purposes. Since I'm not Orthodox ( but am studying Orthodoxy and was raised Baptist) it gives me a good perspective on what the Orthodox Church has believed through the ages. I don't mind skipping what the Church Fathers said on each chapter because I know already that I like St. Athanasius and don't think much of either Origen or Augustine. If I want to learn about a Church Father I can learn online. I told God a long time ago that I would only believe what He led me to know what is true. That's why He led me to Orthodoxy.
WOW your Nous must be finely tuned as Origen and Augustine are heretical aren't they?! I'm an inquirer so forgive my ignorance if that's not correct. ☦🙏🏼☦🙏🏼
@@rigavitch St. Augustine is not a heretic. Origen was an apostate and heretic. Some of Origen's texts are correct (mostly, if not, entirely from when he was an Orthodox Christian and not a heretic) and a few of St. Augustine's texts are incorrect. Despite this, St. Augustine is still a Saint and he himself wrote that he asks for forgiveness should any of his commentaries be incorrect.
I’ve actually been looking at the Ancient Faith Study Bible for the Patristic notes. That is really what the Orthodox Study Bible should have been. In addition, I wish the translation would have been produced separately from any study notes as an “Orthodox English Version”. I feel the translation was done for no other reason than for the OSB, thereby inseperably tying the translation to the notes. This means one cannot have say, a pocket New Testament with Psalms or the Old and New Testaments sans notes in a compact edition like you find with the RSV-CE (which is what I carry when I travel) Further, as you pointed out, the commentary fell short of what everyone was hoping for. I’m not a huge fan of study Bibles in general but the OSB isn’t terrible but it could have been SO much better.
sevynn3970 Thanks for your comment. I agree totally, this is just what publishers want, to make us spend more money, honestly. Now, I do appreciate the OSB for it's liturgical and pastoral commentary.
The Ancient Faith Study Bible (CSB) doesn't include the Deutercanonical books. Hence why I wouldn't waste my money on this Bible. It's good for protestants, but as an Orthodox christian I want a complete Orthodox Bible. With the complete OT canon (Books of Maccabees, Tobit, etcc).
@@bkovacs7 yeah personally i could only ever justify getting something like the CSB as a new testament - in fact i've been bible shopping recently and that's something i'll probably end up doing as a more portable option to the big chunky OSB, just a little leather-bound KJV to have in my bag or whatever as i go about things
I’m converting from a Protestant to Orthodox… I one day woke up opened my phone and a Orthodox Church popped up and I saw how they prayed to God and venerated Jesus , Mary and the Saints and it just lit something in me but I want something that can put me more in tune with orthodoxy so out of these 3 what one would you recommend for a new comer to the Orthodox Church ? Ps amazing video/review
@@nftvegeta538 welcome home! Thanks for the comment! I would go for the Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox and there is another one called Grace by Grace, Psalter by the Holy Fathers also from SVS Press. Engaging Scripture through the mind of the Church will be the biggest help you can get in coming home. May it be blessed, Christ is in our midst!
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Thank you I will start looking for them … I appreciate you replying . Orthodox makes me feel at home at peace. Again thank you for taking the time to reply and helping out I appreciate it a lot … God bless
Ive been planning on getting the orthodox study bible and the book of apostolic fathers book. So i can get a more indepth view with me, planning on converting to orthodox but now im unsure about getting the orthodox study bible lol
I've been considering joining the Orthodox Church yet the reason I am hesitant is is that there is so few English options for Bibles. I have the Orthodox Study Bible but the English used didn't sit right with me and there are a lot of faults in the NKJV with its English. The Bible scholars over at the St. Athanasius academy or some other Orthodox Christian group should take the King James Authorized Version of the Bible and reparse it into an Orthodox format and they would have a best-seller and would turn English Protestants like myself to glean more about Orthodoxy and accepting the faith. I don't think these guys realize they are sitting on a potential gold mine when the possibility is there. The KJV not only has the Apocrypha but has more in-depth English that adds more understanding to the text. I would like to see from them a second edition of the OSB and take the KJV translation and reconfigure it to the Orthodox division of Books and then release it on the market. Imagine an Orthodox Church doing half of the liturgy in Greek and half in Elizabethan English? That would be awesome.
There is such a New Testament, it's the Holy Apostles Convent New Testament and Psalms. Let not that be a reason for you not coming home to the Holy Church. The Scriptures are at the heart of our liturgical life, but we do not dogmatise over translation issues. Personally, I use an NASB and this is in no way detrimental to my life as an Orthodox Christian. We have sundry versions of Scripture. Now, we do not hold to a KJV onlyism in any way, shape or form. The KJV is a venerable translation but one that has many mistakes and has been properly corrected by both Protestant and Orthodox scholars. There is also de New Rome Press New Testament Eastern Orthodox Bible which is a direct translation of the Majority Text as preserved by the Church.
There's no difference between Protestant and Orthodox Bible. Both bibles contain exactly the same 66 books of 1st cannon and consider them to be protocanon. The orthodox Bible has books of 2nd canon included but even the Orthodox church gives primacy to 66 books and considers the 2nd canon to be "good for reading" so even as an Orthodox Christian you can read the Bible with 66 books and that's no wrong lol. I am a member of the Serbian Orthodox Church and believe me or not all the way up until recently Serbian Orthodox church used the Bibles with 66 books. 2nd canon was included less than a decade ago if I am not wrong. Old Testament only, the New Testament is exactly the same in every single Bible. Its not like you do not belong to the Orthodox Church if you do not read 1st and 2nd Maccabees :), etc.
That’s a strange reason not to become Orthodox. Orthodoxy the fullness of the Christian faith. The number of English Bible options has nothing to do with that.
@@ikonographicsI could see why it would be an issue, especially from Protestant converts. We do have to acknowledge that our Protestant brethren have done an amazing job with Biblical translation, to the point that our own Bibles and Lectionaries (as I point out in the video) are of Protestant origin. Make no mistake, the NKJV was NOT an Orthodox effort. Neither is the NASB. Yet we may profit much from these translations.
I liked the essays in the OSB, but the foot notes within scripture was scant. It seemed to be more something to introduce someone to who doesn't know orthodoxy. More apologetics than for an orthodox person studying it. I even found that as a catholic.
True. I hint a bit at this and this is the reason why I point out the three types of notes in the OSB and why I use the CSB. I fully agree with you that the notes are maybe not aimed at theologically knowledgeable Christians but then again, I reckon that is the purpose of any study Bible. Thanks for your comments!
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Greetings brother, I’m still confused on what to buy for everyday usage as an orthodox Christian. Would you recommend the LXX Septuagint + Orthodox New Testament by Holy Apostles Convent? Or another translation? Anyways, thank you in the meantime!
@@CharlesSeraphDrums thank you! My only problem with the LXX Septuagint and Orthodox NT is that it’s very expensive to buy the complete set. Also I’m not even a catechumen yet but am yearning to become one soon, however, I’m 17 in a Protestant household. Would the OSB be a good option as well for a beginner? Thank you brother.
@@elijahyoung11 May God and His Mother guide you on your path home to the Holy Church! Yes, the OSB is a very good resource, although I would recommend even more the SVS Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox which follows the readings according to the Church calendar and compliments it with commentary from several Patristic writers. It's single volume bound and the best for a catechumen. Don't rush into the Old Testament until you have a chance to experience the Orthodox Liturgical Life.
Hi Carlos! I was very surprised to find your channel. I can see you have some Mexican content on your channel and my husband is Mexican. In the future we might move there . For now, I am interested in finding a good, accurate English Bible and I am overwhelmed with the choices. Even though I was raised as an orthodox ( I am from romania), I didn't grow up reading the bible so now I have to make up for it. I only have the New Testament with Psalms in Romanian so far but since I am homeschooling my kids, I feel the need to do all religious education in English so it can be more useful to them and people around. Please advice what would be the best bible to start with ( I heard KJV is as good as it gets for accuracy? ) And also, If I want to get into and learn the bible more do I need a study bible or I can just read from a regular bible on my own more often? Thanks a lot!
Dearest sister, Christ is in our midst! All the best to your husband, yourself, and your kids! I do recommend reading a Bible, and perhaps one without a commentary would work. All commentaries will have biases, so they can be acquired on the side, if you will. The KJV is a beautiful Bible but the language certainly is not the most conducive, so a New King James would be the best option. Most English translations will work but if you are not used to reading it, then I would recommend the Christian Standard Bible.
Is the Christian Standard Bible a masoretic or septuagint text? Appreciate this comparison with the OSB. I've slowly come to appreciate the brevity of the notes in the OSB. I like to think of the OSB notes as "essential", without getting too intellectual.
Hi! So the CSB is mainly Masoretic and only in few instances do they translate from the Septuagint. They did make the NT quotes match so that’s good. Of course, the canon is the shorter one.
I was going to purchase the Orthodox Study Bible but could not afford it. I did order the prayer book and prayer beads. But they want to much for the Study Bible. Sad but true story.
Hey i reeeeally hope you answer. I’am 14 and i am trying to study the bible and create a relathinship with God I am also ortodox but i dont know which book or which translation to choose. Please help
Christ is Risen! I am so glad you came on this channel and asked this question! There are several recommendations: firstly, approach your parish priest and ask him what translation is being used for the Psalter, Epistle, and Gospel readings. It is very helpful to read from the same translation as they do during the Divine Liturgy and other services. Now, prayer must come first and foremost, so make sure you are talking with your priest during confession about a prayer rule. I can give you one useful tip from my Spiritual Father and it's: "Pray Scripture". Now, I reckon most Orthodox Parishes will use a lectionary that is either the Eastern Orthodox Bible or the New King James Version. They are fairly close in wording and the Greek text they follow, so I would wholeheartedly recommend you get a New Testament in either translation and begin reading that. The EOB comes in a Paperback from Amazon or this version www.newromepress.com/collections/scripture/products/portable-new-testament-eob. This one from Thomas Nelson can also work for you: www.thomasnelsonbibles.com/product/nkjv-holy-bible-new-testament/ You should know that the Orthodox Study Bible uses the New King James for the New Testament. I also recommend getting a Psalter and a book by Father Patrick Henry Reardon called Christ in the Psalms. Having a New Testament and Psalter and learning to read it with Christ at the centre is the first step in coming to a close relationship with God! All the best and do come back with your questions! Christ is Risen!
Question،: it could be absolutely awesome if you could make a short video explain how you filter out the comments in CSB. How do you know which comment is in agreement with Feronima (? Sorry not sure about spelling). But how do you know which comment is orthodox and which one is not? Do you filtet based on commentator? I do really need to know! Thanks!
I will definitely make a video on this but short answer is: Tertullian, Origen, Theodore, and in general those not venerated as saints are not Fathers and do not agree with the Orthodox Phronema. Basically, I filter out by whom the Church has filtered out and what is in agreement with the Holy Bibles and Fathers for Orthodox lectionary. When in doubt, I compare the two and go with the lectionary commentary usually. Now, is it because saints were infallible and heretics always wrong? No, not at all. But it is a safe bet that if a theological writer was not canonised by the Church, then their writings should be approached with a bit of caution.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums looking forward. Please make sure the video is understandable for new converts (to orthodoxy). The big question is how to obtain Phronema (in a practical way). For example, when you said " i filter out by whom the Church has filtered out", how do you know which one the Church has filtered? Do you look in a fourth book? Do you check a website? Thank you. Again please make sure video is ubderstandable for new converts who basically know nothing. Thanks!
@@seek4truthChurch Fathers both Latin & Greek, are those who are saints & lived from 33AD to 1054AD, when the Great Church Schism occurred between the Eastern Orthodox Church & the western Roman Catholic Church.
I'm still convinced that the BEST resources for studying the Bible will be found in learning and being able to READ Koine and studying the texts for yourself... and study as if God knew EXACTLY what He was doing providing a Koine OT to match His Koine NT! Thanks.
I've taken three years of classical and koine Greek so far (studying theology at University of Aberdeen and from a year spent studying archaeology and classical history at University of Leicester UK). I'm still not able to completely and confidently read as I would need to be in order to do what you are asking. It's good if you can do it - but it shouldn't be a requirement for accessing the Scriptures or the interpretation of them.
I've heard that if you start with modern Greek, you have more resources to practice reading. Newspapers, online blogs, etc. Then move to Koine greek from there.
I have the Lexham English Septuagint, but from the limited research I have done I believe that Brenton's Septuagint with Apocrypha is more accurate than Lexham's Septuagint. What are thoughts on this? Also what are the differences between the EOB and the TONT Vol. 1 and Vol. 2? Moreover, which one would you consider more accurate and more theologically acceptable within the Orthodox faith? The last question can also be in relation to the two versions of the Septuagint, if you wish. Peace be upon you.
Brenton's is certainly more traditional in the renderings and, since it uses a smaller sample size, it has less divergent readings. Both are very good resources, much more so than the Saint Athanasius Academy Septuagint and the NETS. The EOB is a unique translation from the Patriarchal Text of 1904 into contemporary English, whilst the ONT is a reworded KJV to fit the liturgical books. The real treasure is the Patristic commentary of the latter, and the very nice edition. Both are equally acceptable, but the EOB hasn't really caught on except as a devotional New Testament.
Hola Carlos Alberto. Catolico Romano aquí interesado en la tradición ortodoxa. Podrías recomendarme alguna guía de estudio para The Bible And The Holy Fathers? No tengo plata para comprar otro libro ahora pero entiendo que Grace for Grace es el que debo conseguir luego. Quedo pendiente hermano, Gracias
Qué tal, hermano. Esta página tiene muchísimos recursos: www.fatheralexander.org/page18.htm así como esta www.mystagogyresourcecenter.com/?m=1. El de Grace for Grace es hermoso porque viene extensísimo el comentario patrístico. Claro, mucho de la tradición oriental cono la viven Católicos Bizantinos y Ortodoxos debe experimentarse en la Divina Liturgia. Ojalá puedas acercarte a alguna iglesia de esta tradición y conocerla a profundidad.
There aren't many. The Eastern Orthodox are WAAY behind the curve in producing Bibles and Bible study products for their faithful. That's a shame. There's a lot of work to be done.
So the CSB Ancient Faith AND the Bible and Holy Fathers are both taking segments and bits from the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture, which is a multivolume (39 books, if I recall) commentary.
The Orthodox Study Bible is based on the New King James Version. The Old Testament is corrected according to the Saint Athanasius Academy Septuagint Greek Old Testament. The Bible and Holy Fathers is also from the New King James. The Christian Standard Bible is based on the Biblia Hebraica Quinta Masoretic for the Old Testament and the Nestle Aland 28/United Bibles Society 5th editions Greek New Testaments.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Oh, KJV... I got it. It means, it's a translation from the Vulgate Manuscript. According to some scholars, it's not a good source. No offense. Do you have the Johannin Comma in it? That's one of the example to tell that the source of KJV is not good enough.
@@syamhm.5744 the King James was not translated from the Vulgate. It was translated from the Textus Receptus which is a Byzantine type Greek text. The KJV translators helped themselves through the Greek using the Latin Vulgate. But it is NOT a King James but rather the New King James published in 1982. It is also derived from the Textus Receptus Greek but it consideres the Hodges-Farstadt Majority Text, that is, the Byzantine text. By no means are these translations based on the Vulgate but rather on the Byzantine text as it is the basic Greek text for the Eastern Orthodox Church.
The SVS Press Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox, the Thomas Nelson Orthodox Study Bible and the Holman Publishers Christian Standard Bible Ancient Faith Edition.
Does the Orthodox Study Bible in your review have a sewn binding. One other reviewer says it does not. See at the 2 minute mark: (1) The Orthodox Study Bible -- An Overview and Critique - CZcams I have been told by another source that it does.
The old one, which I have, does not. There is a new version that is actually put out by Ancient Faith under license by Thomas Nelson and that one is sewn. The Thomas Nelson published one is paste-down. It holds up quite well, but the paper is very thin.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Thank you, Carlos. All I am trying to find is something that is similar to what would be a Septuagint-based study bible. It appears that the only way I will get one (for I've learned that the Orthodox Study Bibles are not exclusively the Septuagint but some KJV thrown in here and there) is to buy a Septuagint separately and then a whole set of commentaries on it. Any suggestions? It appears I might have to go with the "OSB: Ancient Faith Edition," Hardback. Is its paper as think as the other?
@@johnritter5951 Perhaps a better idea would be to get the Lexham Septuagint. Thing is, The Athanasius Academy Septuagint is more of a revision of the NKJV Old Testament in light of Brenton's Septuagint. Also, what sort of study bible are you looking for? The notes on the OSB are sometimes theological explanation, a lot of the times liturgical and pastoral, and only on a small number of occasions Patristic.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums I am a retired pastor. I don't need theological, liturgical or pastoral. I am interested in the significant differences between the Masoretic Text and the Septuagint. If the differences are mostly semantic, I won't waste my time. But, I've read that some passages in the Masoretic were either removed or remodeled with the flowering of Christianity in order to de-flower it. That is basically what I am after. Being Protestant, I am rather "igornant" of Orthodoxy (I did Lutheran seminary). I've gotten a response from Ancient Faith. They said both their hardback and Leathersoft are sewn binding. So, I've isolated the OSB (Ancient Faith) hardback as my target. Any further advice you can give with regard to my purposes are much appreciated. Thank you.
Lol… I came to this video thinking the Orthodox Church was publishing biblical resources like we Protestants do - yet Lo and Behold I found a Protestant produced resource I already own I am still certainly interested in gleaning from my orthodox brethren
Two of the three resources are Orthodox. The Saint Vladimir's Seminary Press lectionary happens to agree a good 75% of the time on the commentary chosen with the CSB. I think the CSB is the OSB we all wanted and had to go to a Baptist publisher to get.
The Eastern Orthodox are WAAY behind the curve in producing Bibles and Bible study products for their faithful. I've never been able to understand this. They have a lot of catching up to do.
I have a doubt , how many books are there in ur old testament canon apart from. anagignoskomena. Are these part of canon of inspired text. Or like as athanasius said worthy to be read not inspired?
Our canon has 76 books. They are all considered inspired Scripture and it's the canon found in the Greek Septuagint. Let me give you two examples. The Song of the Three Children is used as the 1st canon sung in Great Vespers and we consider that to be an inspired prayer when the three holy young men are being burnt by Nebuchadnezzar. The prayer of Mannaseh is used in the Communion prayers. So in the OSB you will not find these between the Testaments but as part of the Old Testament.
Thomas Nelson Orthodox Study Bible; Saint Vladimir's Seminary Press "The Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox"; Holman Publishers Christian Standard Bible Ancient Faith Edition.
@@turbothrottletrouble4217 God bless you, my brother! Just a note. The SVS Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox has the New King James Version as its text and the Orthodox Study Bible is a New King James with a Septuagint-corrected Old Testament.
It is not really a complete Bible like the OSB. It is a lectionary, so it will include the Gospel and Epistle readings for the day with commentary and on feast days it includes the Vespers Old Testament readings, as well as Matins Gospels.
Great promotional presentation; terrible sales follow through. You made me interested enough to want to buy those books and DID NOT give enough information to purchase them. I finished the video feeling frustrated. I will work to figure it out on my own - I guess.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums There's no need for an apology. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with promoting something so well that others would like to acquire it. However, why do you review something so well, which obviously took much effort, and then not offer the information necessary to purchase the items? It would be understandable if the intent of your review was negative and an effort to alert others that they should stay away from such materials; however, that is not what you did. I'm not knocking you. Interestingly, you took the time to extend a nice apology, but you still haven't offered any of the pertinent information. Are you ashamed of promoting something to the extent that others would want to buy them? You seemed to apologize for "selling" the books. One should be ashamed of selling things that are bad for the consumer, but it is an honorable thing to sell something that benefits the consumer. God bless you and thank you for responding. I did not expect that.
Orthodox Christians rarely, if ever, read the Bible. They do not bring their bibles to church. They rarely talk about the Bible during trapeza. The Orthodox and Catholics have this at least in common.
Their teachings of the church fathers and what the bible says is causing a massive contradiction. I'm an orthodox myself and never ever read the bible. The day I decided to then when i compared it to the preaching of the church it left me scratching my head.
@@nidzachamp4386 This is just a delusion. The NT has its own terminology and more accessible language to its period, so there will sure be a difference how the Divine revelation is delivered verbally. Maybe you are talking about the Epistles of St. Paul which are really difficult to comprehend, if you read it indifferently and won't understand the concept of the words or won't even think about why it was said. Some Protestant have fallen into some big heresies because of interpreting them incorrectly, for example, Getting saved from Divine Grace only which leads to the Heresy of Monoenergism and thus Monophysitism, thereby Christ didn't even redeem us. - These kinds of Problems will occur in their Theology (There are some heresies from Arianism (Subordination of Son's Divine Will with the Father's, this will create a lot of problems in the Trinity and will make it hierarchical (Origenism)), Nestorianism (Basically, the same) and Gnosticism too (Denying the presence of Christ during the Eucharist - They say that the Communion is only Symbolic or even Pagan). x The Preaching in Church might be different, as some times it might be General (But I don't know from which country are you from or which kind of parish you go to, so I will refrain myself from talking about that). Just read homilies of St. John Chrysostom simultaneously with the Bible or the writings of Other Saints and it will be good. azbyka.ru/otechnik/Mihail_Pomazanskij/orthodox-dogmatic-theology/ orthodoxchurchfathers.com/fathers/npnf111/npnf1173.htm - St. John Chrysostom's Homilies on the Epistle to the Romans orthodoxchurchfathers.com/fathers/npnf114/toc.htm - St. John Chrysostom's HOMILIES ON THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ST. JOHN and Homilies on the Epistle to the Hebrews www.orthodox.net/fathers/exactidx.html - "An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" from St. John of Damascus Maybe just read these for now. I think you just don't fully understand the Theology of Eastern Orthodox Church and its significance in Spiritual Life, as correctness of One's Belief system and right dogmas is the most important, because they are the basis of your relationship with God. Reading the Gospel, praying, fasting and being always involved in Liturgical worship have really big importance too, they are connected with each other. God Bless and his Grace be with you! ☦
Maybe that's because they are intimidated by their priests. The unspoken message: just come to church and do your duty, show up when needed, participate, confess, and go home.
Here is the best resource for anyone who wants to be truly orthodox: buy a big trash can. Place anything written after 120 AD there. Now, read the NT and the Septuagint
Not really an Orthodox position, Vlad. More of a protestant view. We believe the Holy Fathers were led by the Spirit and as Peter said, interpretation is done within the body. Personal interpretation is easilly victim to prelest... just me, leads to papism. Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.
So, nothing important was written between +120 and your own lifetime?? Surely you jest! There was a lot of missionary and other kinds of work to do for the Church Fathers after +120. The Church didn't just build itself. They established the intellectual and doctrinal foundations of Christianity. The historical period in which they worked became known as the Patristic Era and spans approximately from the late 1st to mid-8th centuries, flourishing in particular during the 4th and 5th centuries, when Christianity was in the process of establishing itself as the state church of the Roman Empire. In traditional dogmatic theology, authors considered Church Fathers are treated as authoritative, and a somewhat restrictive definition is used. The academic field of patristics, the study of the Church Fathers, has extended the scope of the term, and there is no definitive list.
Best Orthodox religion canon all come from Greece. Not America, and definitely not Russian based orthodoxy. Find your local Greek Orthodox church, talk to the priest, and get a list of resources.
KJV is accurate and beautiful. Most Orthodox will go with a more literal translation, so KJV, NKJV, NASB, or ESV will all work just fine. Our lectionaries and Study Bible are NKJV.
Thanks for asking this! So The Orthodox Church considers and interprets itself as the Church born on Pentecost which preserves the Faith Once Delivered to the Saints. It is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. We are Catholic but not Roman (we are not in communion with Rome nor do we share our theology with her); Evangelical but not Protestant; Orthodox but not Jewish. I will link to some introductory information which might help. orthodoxwiki.org/Introduction_to_Orthodox_Christianity pravoslavie.ru/33327.html
These are the ones I own. The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture is available in a multi-volume set that is very expensive but very good. Holy Apostles Convent New Testament and Psalms with Patristic Commentary are a fantastic choice if you don't mind the hellenised KJV.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums I study all textual streams and traditions . . A Hoby that became am obsession. . So I appriciate you making me aware of the other works and volumes, thanks, Shalom Aleichem ( peace unto you )
Orthodox Church is the original church. In fact Catholic Church emerged only around 324CE by the efforts of emperor Constantine. It is evident from the fact that the Holy Bible doesn't contain any mention of the Roman or Catholic Church. The holy Bible compiled in the first two three centuries is also a brief account of the contemporary history. If a Roman church existed there it would have been mentioned in the Bible. But see the Holy Bible Acts 11:26 which states that the Jesus'disciples assembled at Antioch and were first known as Christians. The church of Antioch is seen mentioned in several occasions in the Bible. Hence, the Orthodox Church of Antioch is the original church and will remain so as long as there is Bible. The Catholic Church became universal by the hegemony of the holy Roman Empire and the naval expeditions of Spain and Portugal. Orthodox Church declined due to the collapse of the Bizentine empire and rising power of Islam power in West Asia during the Middle Ages.
Careful there, brother. First of all, there is literally a Roman Church in the Bible, it's called Saint Paul's Epistle to the Romans. You seem to be getting Church History from Dan Brown or some PRotestant view. The Roman Catholic Church as we know it today is a product of the LAteran Councils, the Great Schism with ORthodoxy in 1054, Florence, Trent, Vatican I, and Vatican II. Saying what you are saying you are denying that Rome was the Queen of Cities and the sainthood of many Orthodox popes and Western saints. Even to this day we celebrate the Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory the Great, Pope of Rome, in the ORthodox Church during Great LEnt.
Catholic is a fancy name for heretic. Funny: if you’re Catholic - which Matthew 16:18 is a weird verse to base a political structure of considering a cursory reading of any commentary and the Greek will reveal that that’s not what Christ meant AND you then a much poorer view than the Church has always had of the concept of Primacy and Conciliarity - you’re under the Magisterium and your own Pope says we are brothers. So, go ahead, contradict the official stance of the church you claim to defend. If you’re a sedevacntist, then you’re a schismatic within your heresy.
It's a much more faithful and accurate translation derived from the same Byzantine text without most of the quirks. It also has, just like the KJV, a good critical apparatus. The KJV is beautiful and wonderful, but not the most accurate translation by any means.
@@basedcataphract5852 The KJV to this day has readings that are not found in any Greek text because they either came from conjectural emendations; in the translation are either too dynamic or overly literal and hence not accurate enough; or false friends. This last example is probably the best one I can show. Entire theological schools have come from the rendering in the KJV: rightly dividing the Word of Truth. That is the best example of a false friend no longer being accurate. Dividing in Elizabethan Modern English meant to dispense, to give in equal parts. In our Contemporary English to divide means to section or part. Dispensationalism, as a whole theological movement, is based on a translation that no longer means that. As for the charge of it following Greek renderings that no one had seen ever, I will simply defer to the book of Revelation having textual variants that came up with Erasmus and no one had ever read for 1500 years. It is a venerable, accurate, Godly translation and if you prefer to use it, God will certainly use that. It is by no means perfect nor preserved nor THE most accurate by any stretch of the imagination.
There's your biggest PROBLEM, in your OWN words: You said, you read the bible in through the LIGHT OF THE CHURCH. You follow the CHURCH. Your light is the CHURCH. You DON'T follow the bible. Your light is NOT the Holy Spirit. Jesus is justified to apply Mathew 7:21-23 You don't follow the light in John 8:12. You read John 8:12 in the light of the ORTHODOX CHURCH. That is a HUGE difference, and you said it with your own mouth in this video.
Yes, I did. And if you realise that the Holy Spirit was give to THE CHURCH at Pentecost, and what Jesus left behind was a Church and not a Bible, you'll see where I'm coming from. Both chronologically and ontologically, ecclesiology must precede Scripture, otherwise, Scripture is in a vacuum. How can you claim the Holy Spirit as a guide if you do not follow what the Spirit has preserved in the Immaculate Body and Bride of Christ, His Church?
@@CharlesSeraphDrums By examining the evidence I can make my claims. Evidence #1 Matthew 5:18 Evidence #2 Deuteronomy 5:8-10 Evidence #3 Isaiah 42:8 Evidence #4 Isaiah 44:1-20 Evidence #5 Acts 10:25-26 Evidence #6 Acts 15:20 Evidence #7 Revelation 19:10 Evidence #8 Acts 17:24-25 Evidence #9 Acts 17:29-30 Are you following a group of people that do what God said NOT TO DO? Are you following someone that looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon just like Revelation 13:11 says? There's a group of people that highly fit the description in Revelation 9:20-21 There's a call in Revelation 18:4-8 There's a promise in Revelation 21:7-8, I hope you will examine the facts in the LIGHT of the scriptures provided. May the Lord God be gracious to you and open your eyes and ears.
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 All of this is presupposition. What is your standard for saying that Scripture is canonical and moreover that your interpretation is Catholic, by that, meaning that it has been held at all times, and all places, by all Christians. Please, humor me.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums To know the scriptures is one thing. To see God's words come to pass in front of your eyes is a total different level of knowledge. In other words, to know the recipie for a delicious dinner is one thing, but to taste that dinner is a different level of knowledge. Mathew 7:21-23 Luke 6:46 Luke 13:24-27 If you think that eternity is a joke, you will have your chance to be entertained forever. When desperation is going to set in than what are you going to do?
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 I'm not Orthodox (yet - definitely leaning that way because of the pervasive gnosticism and falling away of the Protestant church). Show some charity to a brother in Christ when you disagree with him.
I’m currently a Protestant, but I’ve been learning about the Orthodox Church, and I recently purchased the Orthodox study Bible. Thank you for this video. I keep looking for more literature to give me understanding about the Orthodox Church.
There is a lot you can read. Firstly I recommend The Orthodox Church by Kallistos Ware. Try to get the older edition. Then, an easy to read book that explains what the common Orthodox folk go through as regards their spirituality is The Way of a Pilgrim. Really, it would be best for you to attend services, especially next week when we have Holy Week (our Paschal calendar is different, so we are just getting to Palm Sunday).
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I just ordered apostolic fathers on Amazon should arrive tomorrow, I’m super excited to read that.
Also on the side I began reading a book on John Crysotomom (I think i misspelled his name).
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I will look for an Orthodox Church in the Los Angeles county area.
I’m familiar with Josiah Trenham, but that’s a long ways from where I live.
@@mrniceguy3006 1. Saint Sophia Greek Orthodox Cathedral
1324 S Normandie Ave
Los Angeles, CA 90006
2. Holy Transfiguration Russian Orthodox Cаthedral
5432 Fernwood Ave
Los Angeles, CA 90027
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Thank you.
I use the Lexham Septuagint for the Old Testament (which includes all the Orthodox books), and I use the EOB for the New Testament. Both are very good and useful translations. I have a compact KJV in my backpack for work/travel.
What do you use for EOB NT? The pocket version?
The CSB doesn't include the deutercanon and therefore an incomplete Bible for Orthodox Christians. It was designed for Protestants.
Great video! Thank you. I combine the EOB with the Lexham Septuagint for my own complete Bible.
That's a really good combination!
@@CharlesSeraphDrums ¿Qué opinas de The Orthodox Way por Kallistos Ware? Without that book, I wouldn’t be a Christian at all, much less an Orthodox Christian.
@@mitrahispana4119 Original edition is quite good and a very fair introduction. You should move on from it eventually but it is a very good book to start!
@drag0nfly_girl how would you rate the Orthodox Study Bible’s OT?
I take it the EOB OT still isn't completed? I tried searching online and got conflicted info - some saying it was done but awaiting ecumenical blessing, some saying it's in progress, and some appearing to say the project was dropped mid-effort. Does anyone know how it's going?
Extremely helpful, thanks
God bless and keep you and yours
Cate, Aotearoa-New Zealand
I live in new zealand too!
Thank you for your video. I have the Orthodox Study Bible and it's fine for my purposes. Since I'm not Orthodox ( but am studying Orthodoxy and was raised Baptist) it gives me a good perspective on what the Orthodox Church has believed through the ages. I don't mind skipping what the Church Fathers said on each chapter because I know already that I like St. Athanasius and don't think much of either Origen or Augustine. If I want to learn about a Church Father I can learn online. I told God a long time ago that I would only believe what He led me to know what is true. That's why He led me to Orthodoxy.
Good take. I too don't really mind about the lack of commentary from the Fathers, God's word is God's word
@@gxkdykxiyx1985 Sir, the Word of God is Christ. The bible is ABOUT the Word of God. (John1:1)
WOW your Nous must be finely tuned as Origen and Augustine are heretical aren't they?! I'm an inquirer so forgive my ignorance if that's not correct. ☦🙏🏼☦🙏🏼
@@rigavitch St. Augustine is not a heretic. Origen was an apostate and heretic. Some of Origen's texts are correct (mostly, if not, entirely from when he was an Orthodox Christian and not a heretic) and a few of St. Augustine's texts are incorrect. Despite this, St. Augustine is still a Saint and he himself wrote that he asks for forgiveness should any of his commentaries be incorrect.
Interesting, thank you. But do you think you could reference the texts in the notes for the video? That would be very helpful.
I’ve actually been looking at the Ancient Faith Study Bible for the Patristic notes. That is really what the Orthodox Study Bible should have been. In addition, I wish the translation would have been produced separately from any study notes as an “Orthodox English Version”. I feel the translation was done for no other reason than for the OSB, thereby inseperably tying the translation to the notes. This means one cannot have say, a pocket New Testament with Psalms or the Old and New Testaments sans notes in a compact edition like you find with the RSV-CE (which is what I carry when I travel) Further, as you pointed out, the commentary fell short of what everyone was hoping for. I’m not a huge fan of study Bibles in general but the OSB isn’t terrible but it could have been SO much better.
sevynn3970 Thanks for your comment. I agree totally, this is just what publishers want, to make us spend more money, honestly. Now, I do appreciate the OSB for it's liturgical and pastoral commentary.
What is ment by RSV-CE . . . Guessing Revised Standard (RSV) Version. . . Maybe Catholic Edition (CE)?
@@thinktank8286 yes, Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition.
The Ancient Faith Study Bible (CSB) doesn't include the Deutercanonical books. Hence why I wouldn't waste my money on this Bible. It's good for protestants, but as an Orthodox christian I want a complete Orthodox Bible. With the complete OT canon (Books of Maccabees, Tobit, etcc).
@@bkovacs7 yeah personally i could only ever justify getting something like the CSB as a new testament - in fact i've been bible shopping recently and that's something i'll probably end up doing as a more portable option to the big chunky OSB, just a little leather-bound KJV to have in my bag or whatever as i go about things
I’m converting from a Protestant to Orthodox…
I one day woke up opened my phone and a Orthodox Church popped up and I saw how they prayed to God and venerated Jesus , Mary and the Saints and it just lit something in me but I want something that can put me more in tune with orthodoxy so out of these 3 what one would you recommend for a new comer to the Orthodox Church ?
Ps amazing video/review
@@nftvegeta538 welcome home! Thanks for the comment! I would go for the Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox and there is another one called Grace by Grace, Psalter by the Holy Fathers also from SVS Press. Engaging Scripture through the mind of the Church will be the biggest help you can get in coming home. May it be blessed, Christ is in our midst!
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Thank you I will start looking for them …
I appreciate you replying .
Orthodox makes me feel at home at peace.
Again thank you for taking the time to reply and helping out I appreciate it a lot …
God bless
Ive been planning on getting the orthodox study bible and the book of apostolic fathers book. So i can get a more indepth view with me, planning on converting to orthodox but now im unsure about getting the orthodox study bible lol
Thank you for this video. Pretty informative and also relaxing. Sort of ASMR even.
This was really helpful, thanks for uploading
I've been considering joining the Orthodox Church yet the reason I am hesitant is is that there is so few English options for Bibles. I have the Orthodox Study Bible but the English used didn't sit right with me and there are a lot of faults in the NKJV with its English. The Bible scholars over at the St. Athanasius academy or some other Orthodox Christian group should take the King James Authorized Version of the Bible and reparse it into an Orthodox format and they would have a best-seller and would turn English Protestants like myself to glean more about Orthodoxy and accepting the faith. I don't think these guys realize they are sitting on a potential gold mine when the possibility is there. The KJV not only has the Apocrypha but has more in-depth English that adds more understanding to the text. I would like to see from them a second edition of the OSB and take the KJV translation and reconfigure it to the Orthodox division of Books and then release it on the market. Imagine an Orthodox Church doing half of the liturgy in Greek and half in Elizabethan English? That would be awesome.
There is such a New Testament, it's the Holy Apostles Convent New Testament and Psalms. Let not that be a reason for you not coming home to the Holy Church. The Scriptures are at the heart of our liturgical life, but we do not dogmatise over translation issues. Personally, I use an NASB and this is in no way detrimental to my life as an Orthodox Christian. We have sundry versions of Scripture. Now, we do not hold to a KJV onlyism in any way, shape or form. The KJV is a venerable translation but one that has many mistakes and has been properly corrected by both Protestant and Orthodox scholars. There is also de New Rome Press New Testament Eastern Orthodox Bible which is a direct translation of the Majority Text as preserved by the Church.
Most western rite parishes will use the kjv or the douey rhiems
There's no difference between Protestant and Orthodox Bible. Both bibles contain exactly the same 66 books of 1st cannon and consider them to be protocanon. The orthodox Bible has books of 2nd canon included but even the Orthodox church gives primacy to 66 books and considers the 2nd canon to be "good for reading" so even as an Orthodox Christian you can read the Bible with 66 books and that's no wrong lol. I am a member of the Serbian Orthodox Church and believe me or not all the way up until recently Serbian Orthodox church used the Bibles with 66 books. 2nd canon was included less than a decade ago if I am not wrong. Old Testament only, the New Testament is exactly the same in every single Bible. Its not like you do not belong to the Orthodox Church if you do not read 1st and 2nd Maccabees :), etc.
That’s a strange reason not to become Orthodox. Orthodoxy the fullness of the Christian faith. The number of English Bible options has nothing to do with that.
@@ikonographicsI could see why it would be an issue, especially from Protestant converts. We do have to acknowledge that our Protestant brethren have done an amazing job with Biblical translation, to the point that our own Bibles and Lectionaries (as I point out in the video) are of Protestant origin. Make no mistake, the NKJV was NOT an Orthodox effort. Neither is the NASB. Yet we may profit much from these translations.
I liked the essays in the OSB, but the foot notes within scripture was scant. It seemed to be more something to introduce someone to who doesn't know orthodoxy. More apologetics than for an orthodox person studying it. I even found that as a catholic.
True. I hint a bit at this and this is the reason why I point out the three types of notes in the OSB and why I use the CSB. I fully agree with you that the notes are maybe not aimed at theologically knowledgeable Christians but then again, I reckon that is the purpose of any study Bible. Thanks for your comments!
You did a very good job with this. Thank you.
Rick Casey Thank you, brother!
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Greetings brother, I’m still confused on what to buy for everyday usage as an orthodox Christian. Would you recommend the LXX Septuagint + Orthodox New Testament by Holy Apostles Convent? Or another translation?
Anyways, thank you in the meantime!
@@elijahyoung11 The Lexham Septuagint and yes, the Holy Apostles is really good if you're cool with the KJV. Get the big one, with the commentary.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums thank you! My only problem with the LXX Septuagint and Orthodox NT is that it’s very expensive to buy the complete set.
Also I’m not even a catechumen yet but am yearning to become one soon, however, I’m 17 in a Protestant household.
Would the OSB be a good option as well for a beginner? Thank you brother.
@@elijahyoung11 May God and His Mother guide you on your path home to the Holy Church! Yes, the OSB is a very good resource, although I would recommend even more the SVS Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox which follows the readings according to the Church calendar and compliments it with commentary from several Patristic writers. It's single volume bound and the best for a catechumen. Don't rush into the Old Testament until you have a chance to experience the Orthodox Liturgical Life.
Hi Carlos! I was very surprised to find your channel. I can see you have some Mexican content on your channel and my husband is Mexican. In the future we might move there . For now, I am interested in finding a good, accurate English Bible and I am overwhelmed with the choices. Even though I was raised as an orthodox ( I am from romania), I didn't grow up reading the bible so now I have to make up for it. I only have the New Testament with Psalms in Romanian so far but since I am homeschooling my kids, I feel the need to do all religious education in English so it can be more useful to them and people around. Please advice what would be the best bible to start with ( I heard KJV is as good as it gets for accuracy? ) And also, If I want to get into and learn the bible more do I need a study bible or I can just read from a regular bible on my own more often? Thanks a lot!
Dearest sister, Christ is in our midst! All the best to your husband, yourself, and your kids! I do recommend reading a Bible, and perhaps one without a commentary would work. All commentaries will have biases, so they can be acquired on the side, if you will. The KJV is a beautiful Bible but the language certainly is not the most conducive, so a New King James would be the best option. Most English translations will work but if you are not used to reading it, then I would recommend the Christian Standard Bible.
AMP bible is the most literal word for word Bible translation, but Dhoey-Rheims is probably the best Bible in the whole English language
Really nice video! Thank you. The one thing I dont like isss..... YOU ARE TOO AGRESSIVE WITH PAGES. 😂😂😂😂
Is the Christian Standard Bible a masoretic or septuagint text? Appreciate this comparison with the OSB. I've slowly come to appreciate the brevity of the notes in the OSB. I like to think of the OSB notes as "essential", without getting too intellectual.
Hi! So the CSB is mainly Masoretic and only in few instances do they translate from the Septuagint. They did make the NT quotes match so that’s good. Of course, the canon is the shorter one.
it uses the “Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia”
I was going to purchase the Orthodox Study Bible but could not afford it. I did order the prayer book and prayer beads. But they want to much for the Study Bible. Sad but true story.
Hey i reeeeally hope you answer. I’am 14 and i am trying to study the bible and create a relathinship with God I am also ortodox but i dont know which book or which translation to choose. Please help
Christ is Risen! I am so glad you came on this channel and asked this question! There are several recommendations: firstly, approach your parish priest and ask him what translation is being used for the Psalter, Epistle, and Gospel readings. It is very helpful to read from the same translation as they do during the Divine Liturgy and other services. Now, prayer must come first and foremost, so make sure you are talking with your priest during confession about a prayer rule. I can give you one useful tip from my Spiritual Father and it's: "Pray Scripture". Now, I reckon most Orthodox Parishes will use a lectionary that is either the Eastern Orthodox Bible or the New King James Version. They are fairly close in wording and the Greek text they follow, so I would wholeheartedly recommend you get a New Testament in either translation and begin reading that. The EOB comes in a Paperback from Amazon or this version www.newromepress.com/collections/scripture/products/portable-new-testament-eob. This one from Thomas Nelson can also work for you: www.thomasnelsonbibles.com/product/nkjv-holy-bible-new-testament/ You should know that the Orthodox Study Bible uses the New King James for the New Testament. I also recommend getting a Psalter and a book by Father Patrick Henry Reardon called Christ in the Psalms. Having a New Testament and Psalter and learning to read it with Christ at the centre is the first step in coming to a close relationship with God! All the best and do come back with your questions! Christ is Risen!
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Thank you so much 🙏
do these exist in other languages?
Thank you
Question،:
it could be absolutely awesome if you could make a short video explain how you filter out the comments in CSB. How do you know which comment is in agreement with Feronima (? Sorry not sure about spelling). But how do you know which comment is orthodox and which one is not? Do you filtet based on commentator? I do really need to know! Thanks!
I will definitely make a video on this but short answer is: Tertullian, Origen, Theodore, and in general those not venerated as saints are not Fathers and do not agree with the Orthodox Phronema. Basically, I filter out by whom the Church has filtered out and what is in agreement with the Holy Bibles and Fathers for Orthodox lectionary. When in doubt, I compare the two and go with the lectionary commentary usually. Now, is it because saints were infallible and heretics always wrong? No, not at all. But it is a safe bet that if a theological writer was not canonised by the Church, then their writings should be approached with a bit of caution.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums looking forward. Please make sure the video is understandable for new converts (to orthodoxy). The big question is how to obtain Phronema (in a practical way). For example, when you said " i filter out by whom the Church has filtered out", how do you know which one the Church has filtered? Do you look in a fourth book? Do you check a website? Thank you. Again please make sure video is ubderstandable for new converts who basically know nothing. Thanks!
@@seek4truthChurch Fathers both Latin & Greek, are those who are saints & lived from 33AD to 1054AD, when the Great Church Schism occurred between the Eastern Orthodox Church & the western Roman Catholic Church.
Great video !
I'm still convinced that the BEST resources for studying the Bible will be found in learning and being able to READ Koine and studying the texts for yourself... and study as if God knew EXACTLY what He was doing providing a Koine OT to match His Koine NT! Thanks.
I've taken three years of classical and koine Greek so far (studying theology at University of Aberdeen and from a year spent studying archaeology and classical history at University of Leicester UK). I'm still not able to completely and confidently read as I would need to be in order to do what you are asking. It's good if you can do it - but it shouldn't be a requirement for accessing the Scriptures or the interpretation of them.
I've heard that if you start with modern Greek, you have more resources to practice reading. Newspapers, online blogs, etc. Then move to Koine greek from there.
I have the Lexham English Septuagint, but from the limited research I have done I believe that Brenton's Septuagint with Apocrypha is more accurate than Lexham's Septuagint.
What are thoughts on this?
Also what are the differences between the EOB and the
TONT Vol. 1 and Vol. 2?
Moreover, which one would you consider more accurate and more theologically acceptable within the Orthodox faith?
The last question can also be in relation to the two versions of the Septuagint, if you wish.
Peace be upon you.
Brenton's is certainly more traditional in the renderings and, since it uses a smaller sample size, it has less divergent readings. Both are very good resources, much more so than the Saint Athanasius Academy Septuagint and the NETS. The EOB is a unique translation from the Patriarchal Text of 1904 into contemporary English, whilst the ONT is a reworded KJV to fit the liturgical books. The real treasure is the Patristic commentary of the latter, and the very nice edition. Both are equally acceptable, but the EOB hasn't really caught on except as a devotional New Testament.
I subscribed to Your channel.
Hola Carlos Alberto. Catolico Romano aquí interesado en la tradición ortodoxa. Podrías recomendarme alguna guía de estudio para The Bible And The Holy Fathers? No tengo plata para comprar otro libro ahora pero entiendo que Grace for Grace es el que debo conseguir luego. Quedo pendiente hermano, Gracias
Qué tal, hermano. Esta página tiene muchísimos recursos: www.fatheralexander.org/page18.htm así como esta www.mystagogyresourcecenter.com/?m=1. El de Grace for Grace es hermoso porque viene extensísimo el comentario patrístico. Claro, mucho de la tradición oriental cono la viven Católicos Bizantinos y Ortodoxos debe experimentarse en la Divina Liturgia. Ojalá puedas acercarte a alguna iglesia de esta tradición y conocerla a profundidad.
It’s hard finding orthodox resources in English for me
There aren't many. The Eastern Orthodox are WAAY behind the curve in producing Bibles and Bible study products for their faithful. That's a shame. There's a lot of work to be done.
Would you mind sharing what is the book from which the patristic comments of the Ancient Fathers Study Bible come from? Thanks for your video
So the CSB Ancient Faith AND the Bible and Holy Fathers are both taking segments and bits from the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture, which is a multivolume (39 books, if I recall) commentary.
Thank you so much, brother. I am waiting for the Holy Fathers one to become available, it is out of stock. God bless you.
Amigo, como faço para comprar aqui do Brasil o Novo Testamento em grego aquela edição de 1905 das igrejas Ortodoxas?
I am greek orthodox and live in germany but I cant find any study bibles in german. Can someone give me tips?
Did you find something?
What is a good reading plan? Should just start Genesis through revelation or is there a a better way to read the whole bible?
Start with the Gospels then the rest of the N.T. first.
Were those orthodox Bibles translated from the Vulgate manuscript? or the Greek one?
Please give more info about it..
The Orthodox Study Bible is based on the New King James Version. The Old Testament is corrected according to the Saint Athanasius Academy Septuagint Greek Old Testament. The Bible and Holy Fathers is also from the New King James. The Christian Standard Bible is based on the Biblia Hebraica Quinta Masoretic for the Old Testament and the Nestle Aland 28/United Bibles Society 5th editions Greek New Testaments.
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Oh, KJV... I got it.
It means, it's a translation from the Vulgate Manuscript.
According to some scholars, it's not a good source. No offense.
Do you have the Johannin Comma in it?
That's one of the example to tell that the source of KJV is not good enough.
@@syamhm.5744 the King James was not translated from the Vulgate. It was translated from the Textus Receptus which is a Byzantine type Greek text. The KJV translators helped themselves through the Greek using the Latin Vulgate. But it is NOT a King James but rather the New King James published in 1982. It is also derived from the Textus Receptus Greek but it consideres the Hodges-Farstadt Majority Text, that is, the Byzantine text. By no means are these translations based on the Vulgate but rather on the Byzantine text as it is the basic Greek text for the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Which Orthodox Bible with the LXX has the best paper? Tired of these cheap paper bleed through Bibles.
The green book has THICK paper
What are the name of these 3 bible you showed on video?
The SVS Press Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox, the Thomas Nelson Orthodox Study Bible and the Holman Publishers Christian Standard Bible Ancient Faith Edition.
Does the Orthodox Study Bible in your review have a sewn binding. One other reviewer says it does not. See at the 2 minute mark: (1) The Orthodox Study Bible -- An Overview and Critique - CZcams I have been told by another source that it does.
The old one, which I have, does not. There is a new version that is actually put out by Ancient Faith under license by Thomas Nelson and that one is sewn. The Thomas Nelson published one is paste-down. It holds up quite well, but the paper is very thin.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Thank you, Carlos. All I am trying to find is something that is similar to what would be a Septuagint-based study bible. It appears that the only way I will get one (for I've learned that the Orthodox Study Bibles are not exclusively the Septuagint but some KJV thrown in here and there) is to buy a Septuagint separately and then a whole set of commentaries on it. Any suggestions? It appears I might have to go with the "OSB: Ancient Faith Edition," Hardback. Is its paper as think as the other?
@@johnritter5951 Perhaps a better idea would be to get the Lexham Septuagint. Thing is, The Athanasius Academy Septuagint is more of a revision of the NKJV Old Testament in light of Brenton's Septuagint. Also, what sort of study bible are you looking for? The notes on the OSB are sometimes theological explanation, a lot of the times liturgical and pastoral, and only on a small number of occasions Patristic.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums I am a retired pastor. I don't need theological, liturgical or pastoral. I am interested in the significant differences between the Masoretic Text and the Septuagint. If the differences are mostly semantic, I won't waste my time. But, I've read that some passages in the Masoretic were either removed or remodeled with the flowering of Christianity in order to de-flower it. That is basically what I am after. Being Protestant, I am rather "igornant" of Orthodoxy (I did Lutheran seminary). I've gotten a response from Ancient Faith. They said both their hardback and Leathersoft are sewn binding. So, I've isolated the OSB (Ancient Faith) hardback as my target. Any further advice you can give with regard to my purposes are much appreciated. Thank you.
@@johnritter5951 Yes, you will not get much of that discussion in the notes and would probably benefit more from the Lexham English Septuagint.
Where did you buy these?
Lol… I came to this video thinking the Orthodox Church was publishing biblical resources like we Protestants do - yet Lo and Behold I found a Protestant produced resource I already own
I am still certainly interested in gleaning from my orthodox brethren
Two of the three resources are Orthodox. The Saint Vladimir's Seminary Press lectionary happens to agree a good 75% of the time on the commentary chosen with the CSB. I think the CSB is the OSB we all wanted and had to go to a Baptist publisher to get.
The Eastern Orthodox are WAAY behind the curve in producing Bibles and Bible study products for their faithful. I've never been able to understand this. They have a lot of catching up to do.
The multi volume collection by the Apostolic Fathers is our commentary.
I have a doubt , how many books are there in ur old testament canon apart from. anagignoskomena.
Are these part of canon of inspired text.
Or like as athanasius said worthy to be read not inspired?
Our canon has 76 books. They are all considered inspired Scripture and it's the canon found in the Greek Septuagint. Let me give you two examples. The Song of the Three Children is used as the 1st canon sung in Great Vespers and we consider that to be an inspired prayer when the three holy young men are being burnt by Nebuchadnezzar. The prayer of Mannaseh is used in the Communion prayers. So in the OSB you will not find these between the Testaments but as part of the Old Testament.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums then what does anagiognoskomena mean ?
could you write the name of the resources pls??
Thanks a lot!
Thomas Nelson Orthodox Study Bible; Saint Vladimir's Seminary Press "The Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox"; Holman Publishers Christian Standard Bible Ancient Faith Edition.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums thank you so so much bro. God bless!
@@turbothrottletrouble4217 God bless you, my brother! Just a note. The SVS Bible and Holy Fathers for Orthodox has the New King James Version as its text and the Orthodox Study Bible is a New King James with a Septuagint-corrected Old Testament.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums ha right right. Yeah I knew that about the orthodox study bible lol, but not for the rest hahaha
Does "The Bible and the Holy Fathers" contain all the books of the Orthodoxy Bible?
It is not really a complete Bible like the OSB. It is a lectionary, so it will include the Gospel and Epistle readings for the day with commentary and on feast days it includes the Vespers Old Testament readings, as well as Matins Gospels.
Great promotional presentation; terrible sales follow through. You made me interested enough to want to buy those books and DID NOT give enough information to purchase them. I finished the video feeling frustrated. I will work to figure it out on my own - I guess.
Sorry if that was the case. I am not endorsed by any publishers nor was it my intention to promote sales. It was an informational review only.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums There's no need for an apology. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with promoting something so well that others would like to acquire it. However, why do you review something so well, which obviously took much effort, and then not offer the information necessary to purchase the items? It would be understandable if the intent of your review was negative and an effort to alert others that they should stay away from such materials; however, that is not what you did. I'm not knocking you. Interestingly, you took the time to extend a nice apology, but you still haven't offered any of the pertinent information. Are you ashamed of promoting something to the extent that others would want to buy them? You seemed to apologize for "selling" the books. One should be ashamed of selling things that are bad for the consumer, but it is an honorable thing to sell something that benefits the consumer. God bless you and thank you for responding. I did not expect that.
Orthodox Christians rarely, if ever, read the Bible. They do not bring their bibles to church. They rarely talk about the Bible during trapeza. The Orthodox and Catholics have this at least in common.
Their teachings of the church fathers and what the bible says is causing a massive contradiction. I'm an orthodox myself and never ever read the bible. The day I decided to then when i compared it to the preaching of the church it left me scratching my head.
@@nidzachamp4386 This is just a delusion. The NT has its own terminology and more accessible language to its period, so there will sure be a difference how the Divine revelation is delivered verbally. Maybe you are talking about the Epistles of St. Paul which are really difficult to comprehend, if you read it indifferently and won't understand the concept of the words or won't even think about why it was said. Some Protestant have fallen into some big heresies because of interpreting them incorrectly, for example, Getting saved from Divine Grace only which leads to the Heresy of Monoenergism and thus Monophysitism, thereby Christ didn't even redeem us. - These kinds of Problems will occur in their Theology (There are some heresies from Arianism (Subordination of Son's Divine Will with the Father's, this will create a lot of problems in the Trinity and will make it hierarchical (Origenism)), Nestorianism (Basically, the same) and Gnosticism too (Denying the presence of Christ during the Eucharist - They say that the Communion is only Symbolic or even Pagan).
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The Preaching in Church might be different, as some times it might be General (But I don't know from which country are you from or which kind of parish you go to, so I will refrain myself from talking about that). Just read homilies of St. John Chrysostom simultaneously with the Bible or the writings of Other Saints and it will be good.
azbyka.ru/otechnik/Mihail_Pomazanskij/orthodox-dogmatic-theology/
orthodoxchurchfathers.com/fathers/npnf111/npnf1173.htm - St. John Chrysostom's Homilies on the Epistle to the Romans
orthodoxchurchfathers.com/fathers/npnf114/toc.htm - St. John Chrysostom's HOMILIES ON THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ST. JOHN and Homilies on the Epistle to the Hebrews
www.orthodox.net/fathers/exactidx.html - "An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" from St. John of Damascus
Maybe just read these for now. I think you just don't fully understand the Theology of Eastern Orthodox Church and its significance in Spiritual Life, as correctness of One's Belief system and right dogmas is the most important, because they are the basis of your relationship with God. Reading the Gospel, praying, fasting and being always involved in Liturgical worship have really big importance too, they are connected with each other.
God Bless and his Grace be with you!
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Maybe that's because they are intimidated by their priests. The unspoken message: just come to church and do your duty, show up when needed, participate, confess, and go home.
Here is the best resource for anyone who wants to be truly orthodox: buy a big trash can. Place anything written after 120 AD there. Now, read the NT and the Septuagint
Not really an Orthodox position, Vlad. More of a protestant view. We believe the Holy Fathers were led by the Spirit and as Peter said, interpretation is done within the body. Personal interpretation is easilly victim to prelest... just me, leads to papism. Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.
LOL. Just in this way protestants can survive church history
So, nothing important was written between +120 and your own lifetime?? Surely you jest! There was a lot of missionary and other kinds of work to do for the Church Fathers after +120. The Church didn't just build itself.
They established the intellectual and doctrinal foundations of Christianity. The historical period in which they worked became known as the Patristic Era and spans approximately from the late 1st to mid-8th centuries, flourishing in particular during the 4th and 5th centuries, when Christianity was in the process of establishing itself as the state church of the Roman Empire.
In traditional dogmatic theology, authors considered Church Fathers are treated as authoritative, and a somewhat restrictive definition is used. The academic field of patristics, the study of the Church Fathers, has extended the scope of the term, and there is no definitive list.
Best Orthodox religion canon all come from Greece. Not America, and definitely not Russian based orthodoxy. Find your local Greek Orthodox church, talk to the priest, and get a list of resources.
That’s exactly where I got them from
Is kjv accurate? If not which bible version is?
KJV is accurate and beautiful. Most Orthodox will go with a more literal translation, so KJV, NKJV, NASB, or ESV will all work just fine. Our lectionaries and Study Bible are NKJV.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums thank you ♥️
What is Orthodox Christianity about?
Thanks for asking this! So The Orthodox Church considers and interprets itself as the Church born on Pentecost which preserves the Faith Once Delivered to the Saints. It is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. We are Catholic but not Roman (we are not in communion with Rome nor do we share our theology with her); Evangelical but not Protestant; Orthodox but not Jewish. I will link to some introductory information which might help.
orthodoxwiki.org/Introduction_to_Orthodox_Christianity
pravoslavie.ru/33327.html
@@CharlesSeraphDrums thanks ive been interested in Orthodox Christianity
The KJV Bible is mathematically encoded
Yeah, we don’t smoke that here.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums Who do you believe Jesus is?
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are these the only ones you are aware of or the only ones that you own ?
These are the ones I own. The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture is available in a multi-volume set that is very expensive but very good. Holy Apostles Convent New Testament and Psalms with Patristic Commentary are a fantastic choice if you don't mind the hellenised KJV.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums I study all textual streams and traditions . . A Hoby that became am obsession. . So I appriciate you making me aware of the other works and volumes, thanks, Shalom Aleichem ( peace unto you )
Nkjv has the fabrication of Johannine Comma verse.
Orthodox Church is the original church. In fact Catholic Church emerged only around 324CE by the efforts of emperor Constantine. It is evident from the fact that the Holy Bible doesn't contain any mention of the Roman or Catholic Church. The holy Bible compiled in the first two three centuries is also a brief account of the contemporary history. If a Roman church existed there it would have been mentioned in the Bible. But see the Holy Bible Acts 11:26 which states that the Jesus'disciples assembled at Antioch and were first known as Christians. The church of Antioch is seen mentioned in several occasions in the Bible. Hence, the Orthodox Church of Antioch is the original church and will remain so as long as there is Bible. The Catholic Church became universal by the hegemony of the holy Roman Empire and the naval expeditions of Spain and Portugal. Orthodox Church declined due to the collapse of the Bizentine empire and rising power of Islam power in West Asia during the Middle Ages.
Careful there, brother. First of all, there is literally a Roman Church in the Bible, it's called Saint Paul's Epistle to the Romans. You seem to be getting Church History from Dan Brown or some PRotestant view. The Roman Catholic Church as we know it today is a product of the LAteran Councils, the Great Schism with ORthodoxy in 1054, Florence, Trent, Vatican I, and Vatican II. Saying what you are saying you are denying that Rome was the Queen of Cities and the sainthood of many Orthodox popes and Western saints. Even to this day we celebrate the Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory the Great, Pope of Rome, in the ORthodox Church during Great LEnt.
Sick of watching these videos then going looking for the book and its either £2000 or only in the US !!!
@@pseudonymman9382 well, I’m in Mexico and I got all of these books for less than 50 USD each.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums bully for you
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What is the different between you and others, historically all of were as Roman Catholic what is your and other's dogmas?
Orthodox is a fancy name for protestant.
Catholic is a fancy name for heretic. Funny: if you’re Catholic - which Matthew 16:18 is a weird verse to base a political structure of considering a cursory reading of any commentary and the Greek will reveal that that’s not what Christ meant AND you then a much poorer view than the Church has always had of the concept of Primacy and Conciliarity - you’re under the Magisterium and your own Pope says we are brothers. So, go ahead, contradict the official stance of the church you claim to defend. If you’re a sedevacntist, then you’re a schismatic within your heresy.
Roman Catholic is THE fancy name for protestant. Old papa Frank is the first among protestants.
@@marcokite Protestantism emerged from the Franko-Latins, while Orthodoxy continued flourishing on its original own.
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Nkjv is bad KJV only i order the Orthodox study bible from nelson
It's a much more faithful and accurate translation derived from the same Byzantine text without most of the quirks. It also has, just like the KJV, a good critical apparatus. The KJV is beautiful and wonderful, but not the most accurate translation by any means.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums yeah, it is by no means more accurate
@@basedcataphract5852 The KJV to this day has readings that are not found in any Greek text because they either came from conjectural emendations; in the translation are either too dynamic or overly literal and hence not accurate enough; or false friends. This last example is probably the best one I can show. Entire theological schools have come from the rendering in the KJV: rightly dividing the Word of Truth. That is the best example of a false friend no longer being accurate. Dividing in Elizabethan Modern English meant to dispense, to give in equal parts. In our Contemporary English to divide means to section or part. Dispensationalism, as a whole theological movement, is based on a translation that no longer means that. As for the charge of it following Greek renderings that no one had seen ever, I will simply defer to the book of Revelation having textual variants that came up with Erasmus and no one had ever read for 1500 years. It is a venerable, accurate, Godly translation and if you prefer to use it, God will certainly use that. It is by no means perfect nor preserved nor THE most accurate by any stretch of the imagination.
There's your biggest PROBLEM, in your OWN words:
You said, you read the bible in through the LIGHT OF THE CHURCH.
You follow the CHURCH.
Your light is the CHURCH.
You DON'T follow the bible.
Your light is NOT the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is justified to apply Mathew 7:21-23
You don't follow the light in John 8:12.
You read John 8:12 in the light of the ORTHODOX CHURCH.
That is a HUGE difference, and you said it with your own mouth in this video.
Yes, I did. And if you realise that the Holy Spirit was give to THE CHURCH at Pentecost, and what Jesus left behind was a Church and not a Bible, you'll see where I'm coming from. Both chronologically and ontologically, ecclesiology must precede Scripture, otherwise, Scripture is in a vacuum. How can you claim the Holy Spirit as a guide if you do not follow what the Spirit has preserved in the Immaculate Body and Bride of Christ, His Church?
@@CharlesSeraphDrums
By examining the evidence I can make my claims.
Evidence #1 Matthew 5:18
Evidence #2 Deuteronomy 5:8-10
Evidence #3 Isaiah 42:8
Evidence #4 Isaiah 44:1-20
Evidence #5 Acts 10:25-26
Evidence #6 Acts 15:20
Evidence #7 Revelation 19:10
Evidence #8 Acts 17:24-25
Evidence #9 Acts 17:29-30
Are you following a group of people that do what God said NOT TO DO?
Are you following someone that looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon just like Revelation 13:11 says?
There's a group of people that highly fit the description in Revelation 9:20-21
There's a call in Revelation 18:4-8
There's a promise in Revelation 21:7-8, I hope you will examine the facts in the LIGHT of the scriptures provided.
May the Lord God be gracious to you and open your eyes and ears.
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 All of this is presupposition. What is your standard for saying that Scripture is canonical and moreover that your interpretation is Catholic, by that, meaning that it has been held at all times, and all places, by all Christians. Please, humor me.
@@CharlesSeraphDrums
To know the scriptures is one thing.
To see God's words come to pass in front of your eyes is a total different level of knowledge.
In other words, to know the recipie for a delicious dinner is one thing, but to taste that dinner is a different level of knowledge.
Mathew 7:21-23
Luke 6:46
Luke 13:24-27
If you think that eternity is a joke, you will have your chance to be entertained forever.
When desperation is going to set in than what are you going to do?
@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 I'm not Orthodox (yet - definitely leaning that way because of the pervasive gnosticism and falling away of the Protestant church). Show some charity to a brother in Christ when you disagree with him.