Canon PRO-300 vs PRO-10 / Is newer better?
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2024
- Canon has discontinued and replaced the PRO-10 photo inkjet printer with the PRO-300, a mini PRO-1000 with similar hardware, software, but a slightly smaller maximum paper size (13x19" or A3+, like the PRO-10). The printer itself is unquestionably better than the PRO-10, but what about the PRINTS? Is there truly a qualitative difference when upgrading to the PRO-300?
In this video, I print identical images on identical paper using both the PRO-10 and PRO-300 to see what difference the PRO-300 makes.
Disclaimer: I purchased both the Canon PRO-300 and PRO-10 with my own money. Canon is not affiliated with this video. All opinions are my own.
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📕 CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:25 - Color print test 1
3:30 - B&W print test
6:18 - B&W Print Mode test
9:43 - Color print test 2
12:18 - Final thoughts
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![Checking out a printer not used for six months [Canon PRO-300]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/J3NrYxnlDXg/mqdefault.jpg)
The lighting should be consistent to make an accurate comparison. I appreciate the effort though.
Coming from a commercial printing background there is a black printing process that is known as "rich black" Different formulations will use different ratios or "screen values" in printing to achieve the "rich black" The most common will use a 100% black along with a 30% screen of cyan, magenta and yellow to achieve the rich black. Others will use a 100% black , a 60% cyan screen along with magenta and yellow being at 40% which most printers prefer to get the "cooler, and "richer" black look. I can tell you from over 30 years of commercial printing experience that even just the black ink alone will have a warmer or cooler look based on the ink manufacturer.
Can you recommed a consumer grade printer where this can be dialled in?
Great concise review. Many thanks🙏🙏😊
Great Video, This is a very thought provoking subject!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. My Pro-10 still prints OK, but it's using ink more rapidly and prints very slowly. It's also around 10 years old. I don't mind upgrading, it was just what to choose. This video helps and I will probably purchase a Pro-300. Best regards.
Interesting. That’s quite a difference and a good showcase for how different the same image can look depending on printer. What I would like to know is whether one can achieve similar or at least much closer look by adjusting the source image when printing with the Pro-10. I would assume that’s possible.
I concur with your thoughts regarding the pro 300 - I am very pleased with the print quality. The only difficulty is choosing which photos not to print!
I know what you mean!
Thanks for the video as always Todd. The BnW photo mode print looks like it has had a Vignette added to it.
Must be because of the darker blacks in Canon's B&W mode, for it was the same exact image in both prints.
I'm beginning my search for a new printer, so thanks for the timing on this.
I can actually see what you are pointing out, even on my little screen.
Same! 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Very well put together video, thank you. I'm about to upgrade to the Pro 300 from the Pro 10 so it was helpful to watch. One thing I would like to know is, can unused ink cartriges from the Pro 10 be used with the Pro 300 or have Canon changed the spec for the newer printer?
Love to see discussion of dye versus pigment ink. such as the Pro 300 vs Pro 200.
When you need a print to last for more than 100 years, go with pigment. When you need brighter and punchier colors on gloss papers, go with dye. Yeah, I know... simplistic answer :)
i live close by the lake! interesting shooting approach!
Thanks Todd. Which printer did the better job matching what you saw on your monitor ?
I've printed a lot of black and white on my Pro-10 using Canon and Precision Colors ink. I've never had a colour cast using Canon ink but with the Precision Colour inks I needed to do a lot of tweaking to get black and white with out a colour cast. All this said, I'd have to get someone to print something of mine on a Pro-300 to remotely considering changing. (I like to print and it's so much less expensive using PC inks and you can't use them with the Pro 300. I'm not getting paid to say this, I've just had a lot of success with PC inks.) I do use a calibrated monitor.
I just read that the Pro 10 and Pro 300 use the same printhead? That's pretty surprising, if true.
I'm sure there are obvious differences between the printers, but I wonder how much the newer ink formula for the Pro-300 works compared to the older formula for the Pro-10?
I have been printing with the Canon Prograf PRO1000 for two years now with fantastic results.
I bought a second one before canon scraps it or screws it up.
My beloved Pro-10 just gave me a service error and won't power on so I'm looking at a replacement. :') So I'm glad to know there is a worthy successor.
Very interesting video. I’ve been having a terrible problem with my Canon iP8750 which previously printed superb black and white. But since getting a new Mac I’m getting a horrible pink hue on my black and whites. Weirdly if I drop a photo into a PowerPoint and print from there (yes a horrible test I created out of desperation), the hue goes away. I am using Printer manages colours, but I’m going to see if I can work out how to do the ICC mode. I am desperate, so frustrating. On my previous Mac for what ever reason the prints were superb. Old machine an iMac i7 new one is a Max chip machine though I’d be astonished if that’s the issue.
My eyes are discerning more graduation and details in the pro 10 print , especially in the post of the pier that is closer to the camera ( and thank you for swapping the images so both got their fair share of the glare from your lighting on the left ). the pro 300 truly is more dense but you lose details in the shadows, that is a concern to me if this is the way canon is going to do to the pro 1000 successor ( by the way I just bought another one as a spare , mine is in good working condition since 2018), more dense vivid colors at the expense of details in the shadows.
I'd say in some respects I'd say newer can be better from perhaps an image quality standpoint, but not a third-party ink support standpoint. The Pro10 and Pro100 have quite a bit of third party options available when it comes to good quality inks, but there are fewer (or almost no) options for the newer Pro-printers, like the Pro-200.
I didn't even know there was a 10. I have the 100 (which is gorgeous as many Canon printers are)
How about the Pro 200? I want something for occasional, like 20 prints/year a3+ and about 40-50 4x6 holiday cards.
Very interesting ¡
Could you compare the Canon PRO 300 with the Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 if you are looking for more detail and definition in your prints? You would also need to compare the cost of ink and whether you are going to sell the photographic prints. 👍
Would love to if someone could send me a 1000! :) Seriously though, the 300 uses the same ink as the 1000, so it’s more or less the same printer but prints to a smaller paper size.
Thanks for the great comparison.
But I always wonder, why isn't anyone putting this comparison under the microscope?
Why don't we see the real difference in resolution between the two printers?
I currently own the PRO-100 which uses dye ink instead of pigment ink. So that alone has me looking for a new printer. I also want to be able to print panorama prints so I was strongly considering the imagePROGRAF 1000. But it costs $1200 and a full set of inks once you need to replace them is $650. So that is mainly why I have not bought it yet. Last week when you posted that you got the imagePROGRAF 300 with a video review coming I looked into it. The 300 is a better value in my opinion. Granted max width is 13" rather than 17" but when printing panorama images both will do 13x39 so the imagePROGRAF 300 is on my wish list. Hopefully later this year I will get one.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing this. I'm super intrigued to try panoramic prints on the PRO-300.
@@dominey I already have a paper in mind for this. Red River Paper is the brand and it’s there Palo Duro Etching 315. They have it in many sizes. But it’s available in 13x38.
@@MikeNovakPhoto I've just started printing with the Etching 315 and it's marvelous. While I'm an Epson user, I'm sure it will print beautifully one your Canon
Exactly why I haven't pulled the trigger yet, I want the 17"🤣
I found this fantastic old man who is a super-nerd at printing. He shows how to refill your cartridges instead of buying expensive original ones. I believe he cover the Pro 1000 so check out his channel. Personally I struggle with knowing if the refill ink for the Canon Pro 10 that's sold in Europe is as good as the company he recommend. www.youtube.com/@cheo1949
Once I use up my Canon Pro 10 inks I think I'm going to replace my five year old 10 with the newer Pro 300
Side I can tell but if I they were not together I would probably see not difference
I was watching along and I was like, eh that's not a huge difference between the two. The black and white color variance is slight. But then you got to the trailer photo and I was wowed, the pro-300 was way better and super obvoius.
I was researching printers like these - I could not get a sense of what the cost is per print (i know it varies depending on what you are printing) but a ballpark overall figure is what I am after and what I mean for cost is how many prints do you get before you need to change cartridges. I can do the math from there. I know the question is made more dificult if you print different sizes. There is a wesbite that estimates this but then I saw comments on another YT video that gave a different figure. WIll this also print 5 by 7’s ? Thank you.
Yeah, as you said, cost per print is dependent on many factors (paper brand, paper size, color vs bw, etc). Canon claims the PRO-300 uses less ink, but I haven't had enough time with the printer to know if that's true. Also kind of hard to quantify without making loads of prints and draining two sets of cartridges. The way I see it, you don't save money by making your own prints. You could actually spend more if you factor in misfires and what-not. I know that doesn't stick a number to your question, but overall I think it's inline with what you'd pay through a lab.
Would be good to know side by side cost per print. Im trying to revive my Pro-10 w a clogged head so i can sell it!
@@dominey One suggestion to your subscribers when printing your own prints - purchase small boxes of 4x6 size paper (or 5x7) to do your test prints. I use mostly Red River PaloDuro Softgloss Rag, or one of their baryta papers - and I purchase those specific papers, in these smaller sizes. This way, I'm not wasting 13x19 from Red River, or 11x17 sheets (from another company), which is what I use most often.
I knew immediately which one is Pro - 300 ...
The Pro 300 is crushing the blacks in the first prints. It has less dynamic range and less shadow detail. On the Pro 10, the details in the underside of the dock and beams is far greater. If these were cameras, for example, everyone would prefer the Pro 10. However, the Black and Whites on the Pro 300 are far better (pure and detailed) than on the Pro 10.
Pro-10 it's much better! hahah
“”Color Depth” is bogus. What you describe as color depth can be accounted for by variations of saturation, contrast and exposure.