Multilateral Disorder - The New World (Dis) Order EP5 - with Alex Stubb
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2023
- Episode 5, Chapter 3
In episode 5 of "The New World (Dis)Order", Professor Alex Stubb takes us on a journey into the complexities of multilateral institutions (chapter 3 in his upcoming book), offering insights from his experiences at the UN General Assembly.
Professor Alex Stubb, Director of the Florence School of Transnational Governance, is currently on a leave of absence to focus on his campaign as a candidate in the Finnish presidential elections. Stubb is working on an upcoming book on changes in the captivating world of geopolitics, in which he sets the scene for his exploration of the shifts in power relations worldwide.
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Thanks, Alex, for another fascinating lesson in international relations. "The New World Order" is seen by some as the New World's most powerful country imposing it's will on the Old World in a fit of pique at having been drawn into the old world's second disastrous war war of the early 20th Century. First it crushed the Axis, then it imposed its will on its allies, the old Imperial states, followed by strong arming the rest of the world to become the world hegemon. This is the preferred view of Russia and China, and is shared in different degrees by the South and East. There is some truth to it, but it's lacking in nuance.
There have always been alliances and strategic balancing acts. Smaller states have always been faced with the need to protect themselves by aligning, conspiring or betraying. Geopolitical reality is usually one of the strongest determiners. The central and eastern European states have made the same geopolitical decision that S. Korea and Japan have made, when faced with opposing super powers, to ally with the one most likely to help and least likely to suppress their independence itself.
@@jonlittle5032 That is my view, the Comintern propaganda view is what my post referred to. There is some truth in the propaganda, the best propaganda according to the experts, works better if there is something akin to truth in it.
The US had been dragged into both imperialist world wars [Russia was and remains imperialist despite falling out with their partner in crime [the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact]. The US decided to put a stop to that by dictating the "Pax Americana," the true part is that this stopped wars but greatly benefited American power and economy. That most countries also benefited is ignored for "reasons."
I do not maintain that the US acted without benefit to itself, but did grant other countries more than other imperialist countries ever do. Look at Russia's and China's present and past aggression, for recent confirmation. This leaves less powerful countries with the geopolitical choice, which hegemon is better for your economy and independence. Of course totalitarian countries just join the Totalitarian Club.
I, for one, are looking forward to the American withdrawal to the Western Hemisphere. It will be good for the world. Globalization has been a disaster for everybody.
Thank you, Professor Stubb. Can you please consider this idea? It would be something we would celebrate forever if we could get the middle east conundrum solved and settled as far as the Palestinians having a proper parcel of land that they could all live on and eventually become a sovereign country. Could you possibly think about putting your considerably influence and experience in trying to work with the Greater Arab Community in coming up with a sizeable chunk of land that could house the entire Palestinian population? I believe Gaza is a part of the middle east that should be transformed into a sort of Galapagos of the middle east. It is a blood-soaked patch of ground that should not be home to any people and now is a time for us to think about making it serve as the way to solve all future international and regional disputes: build nature reserves. Professor Stubbs, I am an artist and not a seasoned politician or geopolitical strategist in any way, shape or form. But I believe if Gaza could become a sanctuary for endangered species of plant, animal and aquatic life, it would be our legacy to hand down to future generations and be used as a template for calming down frictions between bordering peoples. Think of the border of Finland, all of those kilometers of land that will soon have your country fenced in; what if all along the border, grasslands, nature reserves, animal and plant and bird sanctuaries could be created? It would be a buffer zone that everyone would respect and lead to warring nations working together to save the 6 black tigers still in the wild, for example. This is doable and we need to stop fighting each other one day; why not now and save some of the faun and fauna to boot? It's an idea I am throwing out there, because all I hear about is plans to reinforce our militaries and not peace plans that will make our children's children grateful. Imagine how it must be for Arab and Israeli children and teenagers not able to travel freely in their region? We cannot. This is a tragedy and having the Gaza as a free zone for wildlife protection would allow all the neighboring countries to work side by side making it a reality. Something like this might break the deadlock between rival nations that only see one solution for resolving their problems: war instead of peace.
Thanks for the good series! Waiting for the book ...
Not a particularly discerning reader are you?
he is phdopile
One can only imagine what is to *have to* hear Lavrov's excuses for minutes.
And funnily enough after these diplomats who "knew Lavrov was lying" had stopped "rolling their eyes" had the pleasure of seeing the Council of European Union launch an independent fact finding mission on the Georgia war. This work started 2.12.2008. This report (which is readily available) states clearly that it was indeed Georgia who started the invasion 7-8.8.2008.
Rather surpsising that the esteemed Professor Stubb has not heard about this report. After all he has been such an ardent follower of common European policies in other matters throughout his career.
@20:01 Thanks for the clarification! 😂
Does the regionalization globally, and the question of regions having formal roles in the UN, mirror the historic organizational development of humanity? To oversimplify such development: tribes to fiefdoms to states to nations to international partnerships? If so, does this imply a trajectory to a global government (of which the UN does not encompass)?
I think this is more a reference to the parallel paths of the African Union and the European Union. Start with unified markets and "nationalism" may follow. If there's a European identity is there also an African Identity? or a Latin American Identity? Probably, however this is more important in the same sense that Labor Unions are important in balancing the power dynamic of Labor/Jobs markets. If regions can coalesce around economic interests, they may also be able coalesce around political interests. (Though if France, Turkey and Hungary are any example, it's harder than it looks) . In this sense it may be possible for regions to exert more influence on the West by acting as a political bloc to support or deny support to Western policies. They will also have a stronger negotiating position when it comes to negotiating trade deals, since they represent larger market segments. More cooperation across regions would increase stability through interdependence and support especially when it comes to infrastructure investment. (Roads, Railroads, Ports, Airports, Water, Energy, etc.)
It would be a different dynamic if instead of facing off against a single country on the UN security council. The Powers that be were facing off against a South American Bloc, or an African Bloc, whether they had Veto power or not.
Hi Alex
Given the culmination of global issues.
Glad to see you relaxed and positive given your position on global geopolitical stage, level of influence and responsibility (young minds)
Agree with your assessment in this chapter of your book , but however, Evolutionary thinking does not come from the naturalization of complacency the EU currently among other things feels in a world order and now suffers the consequences. Seemly disorder is the nature state of universal development. ( Check Leonard Susskind for universal master plumbing and 2-dimensional consciousness while addressing theologies perhaps.?
Agree that the UN is not fit for purpose in this new world of Ai 'plumbing' in pragmatic development and the ethical restructuring now taking 0:27
Regards Paul
Thank you for spending the time to create and share this content 🇫🇮 💙🤍🙏🏾STRONGER TOGETHER 💯💯💯💯💯✅
If Scotland is an independent country it will be as rich as Denmark 🎉🎉❤❤😊😊
We're living in a plurilateral era. EU must be stronger. Great video, thanks!
I hope this book will be published in Poland.
So grateful to have someone with your background to pull competing world trends into focus because most of us do not have that experience and overview.
re: "Burying the Hatchet" of the Cold War, in my ancestral homelands of the former Jugoslavija, Josip Broz Tito had the same ethos of "Burying the hatchet" and move on from the bad times of WW2 (Chetniks & Ustashe v Partisani) - and like in the case of Bush senior, it did not pan out. After Tito died in 1980 it was only a decade before the metaphorical hatchet was dug up and put into the skulls of other Jugoslavs. 🪓😐🪓
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Oh yeah! I love the Lavrov anecdotes. I suppose the new British foreign minister is as unelected by the people as Lavrov, so let's not judge too harshly.
"As unelected by the people as Lavrov"... not quite.
@@aaron2709 I think you'll find that Lord Cameron is not an elected representative.
I guess nowhere is safe from the clichéd, useless, biased comparisons. Not even this channel
@clementGreen here's your medal 🏅
@@josepastrana2628 Surely not clichéd? Admittedly Carrington was also an unelected British foreign minister, not to mention Earl Hume. But it's hardly a cliché even for the tories.
Lavrov is a highly respected, extremely skilled diplomat. If you aren’t as foolish and stoned on your own emissions as this Finnish stooge of the US you will begin to see that.
... now you know why indians feel disappointed while dealing with Europe, much easier to co-operate with Americans and Russians as well as the Gulf (not middle east) ..it's no co-incidence indian foreign minister had to lay out explicitly to the Europeans " Europe's problems cannot be world's problems if the world's problems are not Europe's problems" (I am paraphrasing not exactly quoting )
It would help if they sent me my Nobel prizes
It’s so funny to me how world leaders still say we should talk to Putin. Dialogue is great but not helpful when the Russian side continues to say the same five sentences. Particularly it’s all the US fault because it can never be the Russians fault.
Don't talk.
You are nothing.
West represents 15% of the world only
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Because you made the mistake a second time .
BRICS was not what the GS economist coined .
It was BRIC .
Think over it .
Why would anyone put South Africa with those 4 ?
SA came later after the political manifestation of the economic group had happened.
Alex, your book title is much too long and wordy 😂 but you’re still fantastic
Why didn't you mention US invaded Iraq?
Because it's not relevant?
USA did to Iraq. Vs Russia did to Ukraine.
Not relevant?
Are you smoking?
@@waynegore5291 Those wars have nothing to do with each other.
Stop smoking whatever you are smoking
@@waynegore5291 Do you want to explain how Iraq and Ukraine are related?
Hi. This guy wnat destroy in finland. Agenta 2030.
Now you are back at kindergarten level, dear Stuub. Of course, there are also those who follow you. However, go along with the more knowledgeable political observers, many of whom are decades ahead of you. You are inextricably linked to the Anglo-American sphere. You are probably too old to achieve objectivity, but give it a try.
What are you linked to?
❤😢.. 👉🏻👉🏼👉🏽 America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question...
Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
2014 - 2022 - 9 countries yet to verify.
Pakistan 2022 *
Haiti 2022 *
Israel 2023
Niger 2023
Looks like you got trolls her too Alex.😂
I was with you until you claimed Israel was invaded by us. Israel owns us
Oh so this is where the colonialists convene. Yikes!
I rather like the coming disorder. The American globalism since 1945 has been a disaster for the USA and the world. I am looking forward to the world returning to the regionalism pre-WWI. The USA should never have interfered in WWI or WWII.
That's a stupid thing to say.
@@Azdroc96 Stupid? The American Order has been a disaster. The Americans should stay in their hemisphere. We’d all be better off.
This guy doesn’t know his history at all. I suspect a troll😂
@@blafonovision4342 So America shouldn't have stopped the holocaust? They should have just let it happen?
@@Azdroc96 That was a European problem. They should have stopped it. We have our own genocides in the Western Hemisphere to worry about.