Chaos all across U.S. after FAA System Outage | Thousands of Flights Canceled
Vložit
- čas přidán 11. 01. 2023
- Your support is really important and appreciated to keep these videos coming! =)
-- / vasaviation
-- paypal.me/VASAviation
Become a VIP member of VASAviation! -- / @vasaviation
Join VASAviation's Discord -- / discord
Twitter/Facebook/Instagram -- @VASAviation
Audio source: www.liveatc.net/
![[REAL ATC] FULL LOSS OF POWER at Miami International #KMIA](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fvD1-SBq0hg/mqdefault.jpg)
![[REAL ATC] FULL LOSS OF POWER at Miami International #KMIA](/img/tr.png)
Have you heard any more interesting exchanges? You can send them over to my email for a possible Part 2 video.
I would like to hear some from other airports not on the East Coast. DFW (near me), ATL, O'Hare, etc.
0:42 0:43
West coast airports too
I would like to hear what the pilots announced to their passengers on commercial flights.
Wouldn't aircraft have already had NOTAM data before pushing back from the gate? They still could have released aircraft already taxiing, right?
They should have put a NOTAM out about the system failure
Ironically The NOTAM system was down. We just came back from NY to our home base and the terminal was in chaos. International flights wasnt that affected as far as i know but domestic is on other level.
Using the NOTAM system that was down? ;-))
@Wayne Mayo @MidKnight it was a joke
@@midknight1978 r/woooosh
stop replying to this comment
“Nobody reads those.”
The Terms and Conditions of the aviation industry.
i was gonna say.. lol
With slightly bigger consequences...
"accept all cookies" = "relevant NOTAM"
Same response you get when you ask pilots if they call FSS when we broadcast that there are sigmets available.
@@bart99gt do you really want me to stop listening to you for five minutes to call FSS?
“I tried my best, I’m sorry.”
Most polite JFK controller.
"Best rate of taxi"
Just keep it below V1 and you're good! 😂
Harrison Ford has entered the chat...
Keep it below Vrotate
Max taxi speed is 30kts at Alaska. We’re not southwest
WN: Sounds slow.
As long as you don't leave ground effect you have plausible deniability
That last statement: "Nobody reads NOTAMs". Gold.
*FAA has entered the chat*
@@jonathanmoreno1945 If the FAA would realize that no one gives a shit about a tower light or how tall grass is, they would read them. 98% of NOTAMs don't actually pertain to flight, the 2% is buried in nonesense
Pilots do read NOTAMs. (During check rides 😂)
Well of course, how could they? The system was broken lol
To be fair, some notams are really pointless. Sometimes a notam will say something like "There is a 30 foot crane 2NM from the airport".
I love that Newark controller trying to help out the Alaska flight. “Hey, we’re getting word there’s a nationwide shutdown. You cleared for max taxi speed to get off the ground before I get specific orders to stop you. 😂”
'Psst, hey, ya best yeet yoself on outta here 'fore the boss makes me stop ya.' lol, what a g
That's the controller I want. What a dawg
like a shady deal about to happen (:
I love my state lol
And that other Alaska got stuck at Kennedy. Almost made it out too.
Love jetblues comment at Newark 😂😂 “No one reads notams”
The Terms and Conditions of the aviation industry.
Sky police are tracking down that pilot right now. Oh wait they can’t, their systems down
@@skiwildcat7 They're broadcasting in the blind to everyone. "if that was you, ident and be prepared to copy a number."
@@macmedic892 Well he didn’t say that he doesn’t read notams, but only stating that no one does lol
Truth! I haven't read a notam in at least 15 years.
And I didn't know the wokeness cops had changed the name either.
Southwest: *sigh of relief*
More like Spirit airlines
@@sheldonjplanktonn
Spirit wasn’t the one who had nation wide cancellations a couple weeks ago sooo….
@@thestrangeman069 - touche!
"sooooooo"
Why?
@@Nihil0s
Not sure what you’re asking exactly 🤣
Poor Alaska 31. Seconds away from not being shut down for hours. Ouch...
Eh, imagine how much they made from the gate return 😂
@@TheProPilot Is there a bonus or something? I thought part 121 was all about the actual hours flying when it comes to pay.
@@VictoryAviationonce the doors are closed, the clock is ticking...
This is why when you call ready for takeoff and you’re cleared. Start rolling.
Alaska 299 as well. :/
I could only imagine the headaches flight attendants and customer service reps had to deal with. 😮
And pax?
@@drforjcevery major news network covered their woes
RIP Southwest
@@drforjc Pax get diverted to the next airport where they wait two hours for taxi vouchers and then another two hours in the icy cold of night to actually get on a packed minivan with six other people. Finally another two hours later they get to the airport they were to land at. Now it is already six hours of additional time. And from there they still have to deal with getting to their final destination.
Just imagine all the airport and airline customer service employees fully anticipating the dreaded legion of Karens approaching at speed, and then actually seeing it happen. 😳
YIKES!
"Alaska 299, are you guys ready to go? Like....now?" Lol that was a good one.
Insane how a single outage can basically cripple an industry
Oh this wouldn't have happened if Reagan didn't bust Air Traffic Control Union's everything would have been continued on manual an info would have been broadcast by a union member in instead of a ground stop.
DS: It wasn't a 'single outage" but two corrupted databases; Primary and backup.
There's alot more to it than an " outage".
The industry isn’t crippled?
With Royal Mail being hit at about the same time, russia seems to be really pissed off. Bless.
Aircraft Dispatcher here. The outage occurred sometime around 9pm EST or so Tuesday night. I had an hour left in my shift before heading home (and only 4 flights left that hadn't departed luckily). We were told to put alternate on all our flights and have the pilots confirm with tower runway was open and FICON was all good for them to land. I called all the towers they were going to just to confirm ahead of time for myself. But geez, I was so lucky it occured at the end of the day for me. I can't imagine the chaos if it started during the middle of my shift. (I also didn't work the following day, THANK GOD)
As someone who used to work in an IT Service Desk environment for 19 years and been through all sorts of planned and unplanned downtimes, all I have to say is this:
"You lucky devil, You!"
Dispatcher as well. I’m so happy I was off and had commuted home a few days prior. Good day to be off!
@@jackielinde7568 I second that!
Aha, you’ve got a direct line to God! 😂😂😂. What a nightmare for everyone!
You lucky bastard!
I really felt that disappointment from the Alaska 31 pilot.
It’s not like he didn’t have the current NOTAMs in his release packet
There's a lot of palpable "Well that freaking sucks" in just about every "okay" response from all the pilots. 😂
@@shawnmiller4781 exactly!
I'd have been concerned at first because full-country ground stops can be caused by something catastrophic, (eg. 9/11 first to mind). To me, learning it was just a database outage would be simultaneously relieving and frustrating.
yeah that came through the video, tower tried
"After an engineer mistakenly replaced one file with another during a routine scheduled systems maintenance, the NOTAM system stopped processing updates" Maan that's a bad day for that dude.
I work for another US Government agency within DoD (civilian). Our entire computer system was down for nearly a week. The culprit: a file update which had two quotation marks that shouldn't have been there. I shudder to think what would happen if we were actually hacked by an enemy foreign power.
@@reedermh up in Canada, Rogers, an ISP and cell provider, knocked out their entire network by messing up change to their DNS settings or something.
The amount of critical infrastructure that doesn't sandbox updates before commuting to them is becoming incredibly concerning.
@@monty58 you hear about Facebook outage where they couldn't get into their office for an extended time so that they could fix the issue because they relied on their own system for the door security? I think it was similar to a dns issue. Something super low level that never ever should have happened anyway.
Humans make these kinds of mistakes, there is no much sense to solely blame an engineer because of poor tested old systems. Software philosophy changed a lot lately, because of those problems. All inputs must be validated, and people routinely shuts parts of the system down in a controlled manner to improve resistance to failure (see what fails and why and improves the software). The cool part of aviation is that the industry has a mindset of analyzing deeply when a problem occurs and improve all it's procedures. I am sure that they will come out stronger after this.
@@luismallozzi exactly. It's not just the last guy but every person who designed and approved something that had apparently a single point of failure. Incredible this didn't have a second backup system.
You missed the part at JFK where one says “go home and have a good one” and tower replies “I’ll be here all day”
I was flying an A320 out of San Diego one morning. The ceiling was 400 feet which means that due to terrain to the east departing aircraft had to takeoff on 27 while arrivals had to land on 9. So that caused a bit of gridlock. Now 400 feet normally isn't an issue since an ILS approach usually goes down to 200 feet. But the NOTAMS had the normal 200 feet raised to 500 feet because of a temporary construction crane close to the airport. So everyone coming in on approach is going missed approach and diverting to their alternate. Then comes SouthWest Airlines. They break out and land. The copilot says "hey we broke out at 400 feet, no problem getting in" 😬 Among all the "yippi ki yeas" comments someone mentions the NOTAM. It got real quiet then. I would have liked to have been privy to the comments in that cockpit as they were taxiing in.
"Nobody reads those." Apparently applies to southwest. That's a major "Sheriff Buford T. Justice" oof moment.
>???
I've had captains go through their ground chart and highlight all the closed taxiways. Others don't even mention that they exist. I tend to get lazy when it's full VMC. But I am extra careful when flying an actual instrument approach. Really should be even more careful, because you never know. Crossing restrictions can change on a STAR too. But you'd think with the vast majority of people using electronic charts (at least in 121), we could find a way to push changes to those. It's so half baked to have published charts and then have to look at 64 inches of parchment about lighted barricades and unlit towers see if they changed something.
You can send them NOTAMs.. but you can't make them notice the NOTAMs...😁
That's Southwest for you lmfaoo
"Nobody reads NOTAMs". I thought that only applied to us flight simmers using OFPs generated by Simbrief. 😂😂
Same.
They are playing Flight Simulator GO
The "Yikes" at 8:03 .. felt that
“Alaska 299 switching call signs to Navy AB201…”
Lol
IAD Ground is who I want in an emergency. That man is chill as hell
You can hear it in the pilots voices, ‘now we have to tell the passengers!’ As they long for a shot of whiskey before making the announcement! Loved the ending.
Not stressful at all though, it's literally every plane in the country, not a maintenance issue they could blame on the airline and then by extension the pilots. Nothing to really get angry about, you can't fight the FAA.
@@-Bill. if only everyone else had reason
@@-Bill. unfortunately most passengers don't understand this and blame everything on the pilots or airline
@@-Bill. True but far too many passengers think the world revolves around them and that’s a nightmare for the flight attendants and others on board. Shame civility has been tossed in the rubbish bin.
Not a big deal, you just throw the government under the bus: "we can't leave because the federal government can't be bothered to give us the safety warnings about here, our flight corridor, and our destination. We like to keep our number of takeoffs equal to the number of our landings, and for that reason we aren't going anywhere until we know nobody put up a tower crane in our way for our landing."
"Nobody reads Notams"
XD
It took me an extra 5 hours to get home yesterday. I have 5 emails all with different takeoff times, ~1 hour later than the prior email. At the end of the flight, I overheard some of the crew talking about how they were originally 7 hours behind and ended up finishing the day only 5 hours behind. They all looked tired.
I wonder how many exceeded their allowable duty times.
I can imagine that.
@@lautoka63 whole lotta pumkins on the taxiway, RIP
@@lautoka63 Definitely none. Absolutely not, nobody would do that. Nope, not here
@@lautoka63 Purely guessing, but I would be willing to bet it only counts as duty time if they're airborne. I can totally see airlines putting in provisions like that to account for delays.
Years ago I was flying to somewhere like Germany with another instructor. I said “Hey, did you get the NOTAMS?” He was like “Yep, I got the NOTAMS.” “Was anything useful in there?” “I said I got the NOTAMS I didn’t say I read the NOTAMS.” 😂
Hahahaha
Wonder how many people had 9/11 flashbacks on hearing there's a nationwide stop...
My wife was traveling yesterday. I nearly threw up when I saw there was a nationwide stop until I saw the reason. It's been over 21 years but still feels like yesterday.
Well the Americans did it last time no reason they can not do it again #InsideJob.
Luckily, the news about the FNS outage was out way before the ground stop. Command Center was literally saying no ground stop for an hour before they stopped everyone. 🤷♂️
@@simonkompe2164 Who is responsible for the attack is irrelevant and out of scope. What we are discussing is its effect on the aviation industry.
@Simon Kompe Those weren't true Americans. They were/are traitors.
40 year gate agent here and I am SO glad I didn't follow my instructions to board. We left 3.5 hours later. Experience always wins.
Alaska 299 - you could hear the dejection in their voices!!!
They should be dejected since they presumably had a current Notam with their flight releases
Gotta love that the guy at EWR tried to get them out. ATC is the buddy pilots have that a some pilots don't appreciate.
When Alaska 31 said “okaaaay, we’re standing by” I felt that
"Sounds like it's going to be a fun morning!" Sums it up nicely
8:03 he says "Yikes", which is very different from "Thanks" lol
"Nobody reads NOTAMS" the best way to end the video 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏿
Gotta love the SNOWTAM system
I love the chill at JKF, and EWR everyone's just "welp...gonna be an interesting day!" but no tempers, no sniping, just a bit of friendly chatter and generally a lot of professionalism.
You gotta be shit hot to get a spot at JFK. Makes normal airspaces look like Disneyland
imagine them trying to put a notam out about the failures
They were required to.
@@kewkabe that's the joke... because notam was down
@@lightwalker222thank you🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
You joke about this, but when a system is so integrated into your operational methods, it's easy to try to do just that. Many moons ago, I used to work for an IT Service Management call center (IT Service Desk). One time our call tracking and ticketing software died. I joked to a friend we should put a ticket in so Second Level techs responsible for the software would fix it. Honest to God, he turned to the shift lead and asked if he should put in a ticket to have our ticketing software fixed. Her response was a curt reminder that the software he was going to use to put in said ticket was down and he wouldn't be able to do it. It was glorious and unexpected, as I thought my friend would have caught the joke.
Good ol' telex
Half an hour befor at the Command Center:"There's a pending Windows XP update on the Notam server. Shall I launch it? Yeah, sure, what can go wrong."
😅
I doubt they run an OS as modern as Windows XP. I think the upgrade to XP is part of NextGen.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There have been a number of "system-wide" outages of government / public systems (FAA in the US, healthcare related systems in Canada, and Royal Mail in the UK) in multiple countries (US, Canada, UK for sure) in the last few days. It smells of coverups of cyber attacks that governments don't want to admit what the real causes were...
@@johnopalko5223 so long as they skip millennium edition, it should be fine.
First JFK TWR guy couldn’t sound more New York if he’s started his announcement with “Listen up, ya buncha mooks…”
Can you imagine if Kennedy Steve was still around and had to deal with that mess yesterday?
@@reedermh “people paid much more than me have decided everything is broken and to stop all flights while assigning blame. As no-one can go anywhere those of you wanting to go back to the gate call me, otherwise stay off the arrival runway,park up and watch the tug races we’re organising on the departure runway. Betting is allowed but treat anything labelled ‘super’ with suspicion. Oh and don’t taunt the tugs… that’s my job!”
Stephan,
If this were Reddit, I give you two gold medals! This is awesome
Alaska 31 was so close to getting off the ground.
One day I was reading notams at my alternate, and all runways were closed there. I guess dispatch missed it and planned it on the release. Read your notams people.
I'm guessing it must have been a new dispatcher, however thats why its equally as important for pilots to read their NOTAMs too! I've dispatched too many flights where I plan it on a shorter runway because the longer one is closed, and the captain calls me asking "Hey why'd you plan me on this runway instead of the longer one?" READ YOUR DAMN NOTAMS MY GUY
Yeah not sure what the big joke is about not reading NOTAMS. People in comments acting like it's a waste of time. Maybe I'm just being sensitive because NOTAMS was part of my job in airfield management 😂
All of the unimportant stuff is on NOTAMs, like ILS inop, Runway closed, Airport closed, Runway lights inop. You know, the trivial stuff.
We had one like that in Oz 30 or 40 years ago neither the briefer nor the crew read the notam - aerodrome with only one runway, close due works in progress. Flight takes off - an hour later the flight reports to the FSS unit - on descent for airport XX. FSS officer checks with the pilots about the notam. Big loud silence - two mins!! Back comes the captain - can we have clearance to airport YY (it was a three leg flight). Not sure whose rear was hurting to most when the flight return to home port. So YES read ALL the notams.
Not sure why they don’t put out an “AD AP CLOSED” NOTAM for that…. I’m looking at you, RJAA!!
He said it! Nobody reads NOTAms the way the FAA issues them. Thankfully we have Foreflight to put the gobs of NOTAMs in their proper places and teanslate them into normal-speak
As a pilot who was flying outta NY yesterday - I completely agree with the Jet Blue guy at the end.
Delta 2191 lucky af
Yes, indeed.
shoutout to the Newark guy trying to get the Alaska out.
The poor ATC guys. They were probably more stressed having to deal with the outage than they are on their busiest day.
I heard about this. Never dived into it as I don't fly often. But man, this is crazy.
Love the videos man!! Cant count how many hours I’ve spent on your channel.
I believe 0:40 is all aircraft in the NAS (national airspace system)
Oh makes sense
Pretty embarrassing that this was allowed to happen in the first place, but also that the FAA failed to notice that there wasn't a single NOTAM update country-wide for FOUR HOURS before taking any action really says it all...
You did a good job of showing the chaos of yesterday January 11, 2023. I'm sure it was simular at all airports in the US.
they could have "timed" it better it's only a few day pass the Worse Day.
*Le cue Qnon Conspiracy theory
That last one was good. Tower was like all right buddy step it up down the taxiway let's get you out of here I mean he really tried 😅
Had me emotional :(
the buzz rang out
Two things I never heard before... Proceed best rate of taxi and nobody NOTAMS 🤣
Can you imagine the chaos at LAX! Yikes.
It would just be another day at LAX, I was thinking all the chaos at ORD lol.
*ATL has entered the chat*
Or DFW. I live just north of there.
The ground stop occurred early morning EST so airports further west of east coast were not as busy
I feel like this event is what this channels been waiting for 😂
Yes, I got caught up in that mess. Wednesday, BNA to MIA, delayed for 2 hours, missed connection MIA to POP. Spent 8 hours in the rebooking line while on the phone at the same time, kept getting disconnected. Rebooking agent tells me VERY good chance on standby for Thursday. Turns out I was 11/11 on standby, three made it on the flight. Back to rebooking, told I could be on standby for Friday or a sure thing on Saturday. Since I was coming back on Sunday, I said screw it and booked a flight back to Nashville. Was on the plane told we had fuel pump problems, after an hour, had to deplane and go to another gate for another plane. Boarded, after 15 minutes, told there was an issue with a door latch, mechanic was working on it. 30 minutes later we took off. What a DISASTER!!!
That sucks so bad. I’m sorry you missed whatever you were trying to travel to and had to waste all those extra hours trying to get back to Nashville.
What a nightmare!
"Nobody reads NOTAMS"
"Oh yeah?!? I have a number for you ...."
Definitely worth the listen! Thanks
The important NOTAMs could have been relayed verbally to pilots... Like actual important NOTAMS like presidential TFRs, airspace closures due to heavy military life fires or space rocket launches. Nobody gives a flying flip about the 20 individual taxiway lights out or the 50 foot tower, 200 feet left of the runway that has literally been there for the past 20 years... Like the guy at 8:12 said nobody reads NOTAMs.
Maybe the bus drivers don't read notams but any other flight requires it and it can get you killed real quick if you ignore it. Runway construction, cranes, broken approaches, no fuel available. Don't be complacent.
Notams: Nobody reads those. Gold….
“nobody reads notams” i love that guy
"Nobody reads NOTAMs."
Which is exactly why the former chairman of the NTSB told the FAA to work on how they word those things.
I had a transatlantic flight that morning out of Newark at about 1am EST. I was heading home after visiting family for Christmas. Apparently we missed getting caught up in this by mere hours. We landed on the other side of the pond and the ground stop was all over the news. I don’t know if I’ve ever felt luckier.
"Nobody reads NOTAMS"...😄- thank you very much for picking this up! Indeed a bad day for travelling.
Pretty sure the dispatchers are the ones who plow through that blizzard of paper and distill it into a flight plan, but somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Still doesn't totally excuse it, but...
@@steveanderson9290 It was obviously a hard day for dispatchers (amongst others), indeed...🙄
“Nobody reads NOTAMS” 😂😂😂 I bet the DPE would love to hear that 😂😂😂
Well done Victor!
You can tell the instant that the FAA lawyers got involved in the decision making process.
Anyone pushed back and ready to go should have been allowed to fly. They have the information that is available to them at the time they begin their flight as mandated by the FARs . Anything that occurred enroute could have been handled by a case by case basis and disseminated directly to controllers via other methods. Yes, it would have resulted in additional workload, but would have been far preferable to what transpired.
My unofficial opinion of someone who had to deal with yesterday's shit show.
send the bill?
Agreed.
"additional workload"
You can not even begin to wrap your head around how severe an understatement that is.
It absolutely made more sense to just barr them all from taking off.
Controllers would have gone batsh¡tt trying to manage a field of grounded, hungry zoomy airplanes, while still trying to let a few more land.
Except they didn't have updated NOTAMs. The system stopped working at 8pm the night before, they copped with a phone hotline until it got overwhelmed by morning traffic.
@@Patmorgan235Us you beat me to it, the system was down for several hours prior to the ground stop. must be another one of those guys who don't read them...
Someone needs to put up the flight map and watch the skies clear up.
Great compilation buddy!
What happened to giving out the important NOTAMS in plain English. No one gives a shit about an unlit tower 5 miles away, but the 3000 foot shortened runway is buried deep down. Had some coworkers lose their job over missing that one.
Very strange this situation
Nobody reads NOTAM, that´s was the best.
Loved that last recording!!!
Notams have become unusable. I believe they are written in some long forgotten language. There are too many and most are of no consequence. Apparently the FAA was more far concerned with changing the name of the system than making it work.
Thank goodness I didn’t have to work yesterday!
The hamster on the wheel finally gave up the ghost.
Love it! NOBODY READS NOTAMS!
SAME THING HAPPENED HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES! It was crazy! So many passengers stranded. No any advise from CAAP or from anyone else
Captain Maggie doesn't need NOTAMs
NOTAMs need Captain Maggie
The "snowtam" system is what the text says at one point. To be fair, this was chilling news to a bunch of people.
To be fair to whoever or whatever did the voice-to-text it really, REALLY sounds like they're actually saying snowtam @ 01:43. Even knowing it should be NOTAM I can't avoid hearing the s...
He clearly says snowtam so it’s possible he actually thought it was the snowtam system, before he found out it was the notam system
Love your compilation!!!!
Funny! It's nice they took it with humor and good attitudes.
good humor beats bad management huh
They finally put out so many NOTAMSs the stack collapsed under its own weight.😉
And that is when you call dispatch and get them to wrangle up a VFR plan.
Holy moly!
Last line was the best.
WOW - Kennedy Steve would have had a GREAT time with this one! !! !!!
“Nobody reads NOTAMS”. When I was an FTE at Edwards, our standard preflight brief included a review of NOTAMS, though mostly to see if there was a launch out of Mojave Spaceport.
This is a weird case of simultaneous impact nationwide, and pretty much every major ATC is broadcast, so we have all different streams available.
Love your videos!
FYI, 0:45 all aircraft in the NAS national airspace system
@3:05 he says think it has something to do with the notams then think the system is out. Thanks for the coverage as always
7:15 Absolute Gold; He literally expects to be told to hold all takeoffs and tries to get them in the air before he is told officially and therefore has to comply. I don't know what to make of this, maybe I will right my thoughts when I have processed what I am thinking.
I consider they probably expect a fax or something to come in as their official notice but heard about it from other airport buddies who got theirs first. Until you get that FAA letterhead, it's all good
He knows it’s just a bullshit legal thing. 99% of the NOTAMS are useless… a tower 3 miles away from the airport unlit, the yellow taxi line faded, 5g interference might happen, birds are in the area… and that 1% that’s important like a runway closure is listed on the ATIS, so yeah… no pilot actually realistically cares if the NOTAMS work or not.
Chaos is an understatement. Yikes.
We were scheduled to fly out that Wednesday afternoon on a direct flight from Indianapolis to Key West. Our delay was only about 1.5 hours. We were lucky. But it was kind of an eerie feeling that morning when we first heard the news.
I can imagine… Shades of 9/11right there.. that’s the only other time I can recall of an entire nationwide ground stop
For any other laymen or hobbyists like me who weren’t aware of the nomenclature change; According to reports in the past day or so, the NOTAM acronym stands for ‘Notice To Air Missions’ instead of the long standing ‘Airmen’ to satisfy Pete Buttigieg’s equity & diversity doctrine. It was changed to remove the gendered term and because the notices are also sent to drone operators.
What do we call people in the Air Force now, Airpersons or Airindividuals? 😑
@@A.J.1656 Air sticks*
@@A.J.1656 Airxirs.
Not that it /really/ matters, but I'm pretty sure at 8:05 it's "Yikes, uhh... ok"
Great video as always!
I thought NOTAMs were collected during flight preparation and printed (or in these days loaded on a tablet) before the flight, read in the preparation room, and only taken onboard for reference.
If that is the case, the STOP would have to be applied on the preparation phase, and anyone already holding short of a runway for departure could just go.
it's a ground stop, it means all traffic has to stop, regardless of whether they're ready or not.
@@ianrobertson3419 Yes, but the question was "why a gound stop"?
I absolutely agree with you Rob. They could just stop traffics at the clearance delivery frequency.
@@Rob2 probably liability and shits... or another 9/11 suspected... or they just had no bloody idea.
@@Rob2 to ensure that nobody with faulty NOTAM info doesn't slip through the cracks and get allowed to leave. best in that situation to prevent any movement, instead of going on the honor system about whether they're in their off blocks window or not.
I was on IOE at my airline at the time. Luckily I had a late show that day, so I got to the airport after the ground stop was lifted and we were given an alternate method of accessing NOTAMs. Flight still canceled, and we got to repo an empty CRJ-900 from GSP to BNA. That was an interesting day.
Sounds like they have a single point of failure, probably costing billions in stopped aircraft.
Indeed.
0:34 Pretty sure he said "... all aircraft in the NAS (National Air Space)."
Back in the day I was a parascending instructor and we were operating in Norfolk, UK, and we had a NOTAM out for our area“ SEE & AVOID”. All of a sudden we got buzzed by two Buccaneer aircraft who were hedge hopping who saw the person under the parachute and did avoid ! A testy call to the Air Miss team from one of our instructors soon sorted things out ( he was a Squadron Leader in the RAF). So yeah, no one reads NOTAM’s !!
"A preliminary FAA review of last week’s outage of the Notice to Air Missions (NOTAM) system determined that contract personnel unintentionally deleted files while working to correct synchronization between the live primary database and a backup database" (Source: FAA)
I've also read that the are saying that they were not following procedures, but I'm not sure if we will ever really know the details, but it makes sense as to way there was no fast recovery since both primary and backup systems were affected at the same time basically.
“Snowtam?” Victor needs to get someone to proof his captioning.
I'm pretty sure the captioning is "automagic" and based on voice recognition.
"Snowtam" is an ancient term used in early days of commercial aviation. They were issued locally (mostly by towers in the north east that did not have plows) to warn pilots of snow depth and braking action. The only time I ever heard a Snowtam was on Christmas Eve in Corpus Christi roughly 20 years ago. The city got 6" of snow (the first measurable snowfall in 60+ years).
Definition
SNOWTAM. A special series NOTAM given in a standard format providing a surface condition report notifying the presence or cessation of hazardous conditions due to snow, ice, slush, frost, standing water or water associated with snow, slush, ice or frost on the movement area.
Source: ICAO Annex 15
Thanks. That’s interesting. I had never heard of a SNOTAM before as actual terminology in use. Nevertheless, the correct transcription of what JFK Tower is saying is “this NOTAM” not “the Snowtam.”