Where do Rangers go from here after dismal Dundee showing?
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Manager doesn't need to throw that bunch under the bus. They are already there.
That game was soul destroying to watch. Everyone can see this group of players have chucked it and that's unacceptable. What's more worrying is the Manager has to carry a lot of the blame for his team selections in crucial games and the very fact he can't seem to lift these players
No one can lift the basket cases mentally in the old guard. The same old faces blowing it for us. Also Beales signings, have screwed us other than Butland, and our signing of Silva hasn't worked from January. Losing Cortes has been a huge blow.
To be honest there are games at every level of football now that is the case with.
Most teams set out with the same formation now same tactics it's a case of how has the best players in the modern game wins.
It's more a case of fitness now than anything else something our squad is definitely lacking.
But a club like Chelsea are overly drilled buy modern stands.
There is a fine line between not being drilled enough to over doing it.
@@alanfox691 tactics are an essential part of the game. I am actually surprised having researched Clements past teams, that he hasn't really altered Beales tactics or set up much. From his past he seems very tactically astute as a manager, yet we aren't seeing much change yet. I wonder if he is holding back in that aspect as he doesn't want to overload this group? Or perhaps he knows their weaknesses well and know they aren't cut out for that, so he has tried to nurse what he has through until the season end. The lack of a change of style and system with a new boss baffles me. Why change manager at all if you are going to set up the same? When we are losing games, all he does is switch personnel. We never see him playing 2 or 3 forwards to chase a game or ever doing anything different. I want to know more and what others think on this.
i blame clemont 100%
@jamiefairlie4837 good for you. The reality is he isn't 100 percent to blame. Its the same old faces letting folk down. Blame the board for not getting rid and providing a better standard of player and their over reliance on loans. They have been doing it for years now.
Seen Dundee free kick on edge of our box. Goldson and Tav a foot apart in the wall. Ball flies between them, neither move ffs. JB saved the day. Dead cat bounce over
Tav and goldson and lundstrom have to go. That's just the start.
Is it aye
@@chrisd3211 they are bottlers. Won't win the league with them. Same every year.
I agree, but
I dont think Clement.
wants to get shot of
Lundstram, but
Goldson has to go if not
Clement will go at some point.
Clements defensive choices will end up costing him his job.
@@chrisd3211 Aye it is
@chrisd3211 aye it is. Along with Lammers, Dessers, Silva, Lawrence, Dowell, Davies, Mclaughlin, Wright and Jack. They all need taken off the wage bill and out the club. Serial losers the lot of them.
Makes a tiny wee difference when one team is running and bursting a gut and the other is jogging , especially the Ross county game , and when your coach starts talking of Luck as for the financial madness of the Shankland decision mind boggling
I go the the gym at the fairmont hotel where team stayed before the cancelled game last week, I saw small cliques of players hanging around together, others just by walking around by themselves of their phones. The club had booked the sports bar area for just the team for a couple of hours, and only 4 players turned up, then left. And they opened it back up to the public. Just a small anecdote, but given the last 2 games, it would seem there is definitely disharmony within the playing squad, and I believe that is on the manager to fix (if true).
I think they are a bunch of drama queens. Throwing their toys out of their prams. Perhaps Clemonte has lost the dressing room.
Interesting insight. Dundee away shouldn't require an overnight stay. We could use that cash for new players.
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This team can perform when the pressure is off but go to shit when the the heat is on.
Clement needs to back them for the next month but I hope he realises a change of leadership group is needed.
The silver surfer hasn’t got a clue
Disagree the defence has been. shocking from
pre - session to many bomb scare defenders, they make
bomb scare
Bob Malcolm, look.
like Fabio Cannavaro.
When Connor Goldson is the standard, you have defensive issues big time.
@@alanfox691 we have the best defensive record in the league. Of course better quality is needed but the league has been lost as they could not handle the pressure in the last 3 or 4 league games.
How many times have we to be here until the manager realises the players are a massive problem. If he's not ruthless they will cost him his job.
They will cost him
his job just watch it will happen.
We have seen this all before it's like Groundhog Day, just with different cast members but the exact same script.
If we start next season with goldson, tav and ludstrum two things are going to happen, one we wont be winning the title, and two the manager won't make Christmas. Clement needs to quickly realize these players arent his friends, theyve gotten several managers the sack and theyre very happy and comfortable finishing 2nd, it effects not even 1 tiny bit.
Should've got Shankland in January. Its coming back to bite us now
Yep said from the start it's all over and wee will not win on Sunday
How come us fans could see wee needed shankland or some other striker who can put ball in the net yet the club didn't bother ?
Because you's are skint. What part of that do you not understand? 🤔
Shankland would have helped but if we are being real the same players who bottle it every year would have done the same thing even with Lawrence in the team. The wingers and the 10s are not creating enough plus we have a shaky defence. A striker is needed in the summer but so is a new defence.
@@lauriemiller1690no money to buy him🤷🏻♂️
Because he's playing the same players who have bottled it year after year.
Clement will need to show some balls and put his best team v hearts on the pitch Sunday and also drop players who mess up and not upto the task.
The manager has been polishing the turds in the jerseys for months now. He's not jesus. Back him to the hilt in the summer. Tav and Goldson are years past it. Get that contract extension off the table for Lunny.
Agreed, anyone calling for clement to go has to be a celtic fan or just plain clueless. The fact he mounted a serious title challenge with this pathetic serial bottler group of players from the position we were in at october is miracle stuff. Back him, flog the serial bottlers. Tav, goldson, ludstrum, barsic, jack and roofe, times up.
Promote as many youths as we can to fill positions in the remaining games. The youths would fight and claw for the games to impress. I would back them and accept ups and downs as they grow vs supporting the garbage that fills most of those jerseys. Keep Butland, Balogun and Souttar. Ridvan as well when fit. Keep Cantwell, Raskin and Rabbi as ones to connect with younger players as well. Play them instead for the remaining games. See how they do and set them up for next season and add some quality in the summer to the best of the group. There is options to change. Clement has to show the guts to change it. Sticking by the same serial losers, that have cost other managers, will cost Clement. I want him to succeed. I don't want us to keep changing managers. However if he doesn't help himself by changing the team and dropping the untouchables in the old guard of this side as well as Silva then he will have chosen his hill to die on, just like Gio and Beale. In recent ganes starting with the Celtic game first half, they don't look like guys desperate to win a title and hungry and up for it from the off. Many of that team don't have the right stuff to honour the badge.
On a side note, Morelos was never all that in the league, especially against Celtic. Good riddance to him. Also the reason we are punting the long ball is to keep the high press from being effective because our defenders, Tav and Goldson are FN useless and can't deal with a high press.
Agreed, i'm surprised raskin has been kicked to the curb by clement. Hes not been great but hes a young lad, has plenty of room to grow as a player. Ludstrum barring a 2-3 month spell has been every bit as bad or worse than raskin. Difference is hes 31yrs old, wont get any better and his contract is up in the summer. Get the young guys in now.
@yogaflame7884 Yeah Raskin would be better than Lundstram. The lad has been injured though. Maybe a problem with his recovery, I don't know or attitude. Surely he can be forgiven and given another chance if that is the case? I think Lundstram was playing for a big pay day, thinking he would pull what Goldson did. The deal isn't coming and he has downed tools. Goldson should never have been offered that wage either at his age.
I said at the beginning of LAST season if we start with tav goldson and barasic in defence we won't win the league, and we started THIS season with them and I guarantee we start NEXT season with tav and goldson. If you don't laugh you'll cry, the same players bottle it every time and I don't need xg to tell me otherwise, remember years ago the same defence being beaten at home by Hamilton after we got ourselves into a title race. It will never change...
Naw yi didnae
@@chrisd3211 what would you know about what I said? You weirdo...
@@ross8156 I've been saying this for several season, its as clear as day these players are not title winners, they lack the mentality and honestly, lets be real, they lack the ability also. Take tavs set pieces and pens away and nearly all his goals and assists disappear with it. And then youre left with a very mediocre wing back whos almost 35yrs old, cant defend, cant attack, has awful crossing etc. His buddy goldson is even worse. Add ludstrum to the mix aswell
@ross8156 do you like watching arnie tense his muscles aye 🧐😂🤨🤔😂 you one of them guys in the gym not lifting just watching guys lifting 🥴
Agree with the point around issues with spine of the team. Since Gerrard we’ve put together a core team that is comfortably the second best in the league. Thing about that is you’ll beat most teams most of the time; you’ll go on some really good runs, like last 4 managers have, and you’ll get a false sense of security about the squad, but you’ll always be caught short when it counts. Aside from 55 this has happened every year since SG. Need to finish the clear out for sure.
The reality is since Saturday night, Celtic have played zero games, Rangers have played 2 and Celtic have won the league. Staggering.
The effects of not building on 55 are coming back to bite us hard. 3 years it's going to be without a title and each year Celtic wins it, it weakens us and strengthens them financially.
Rangers form has gone off a cliff because, like every other season, there is expectations. The same players from the last 3 or 4 seasons bottle crashes the minute they are expected to take it over the line.
Lads, we dont need XG to tell us how shite we were, our eyes aren't painted on ffs
What does that mean, xg? Extra garbage!
That’s Johnny is a comedian 🤡 how can he be on a podcast and not have a clue about football ⚽️ blames dessers again 😂 dessers is not the problem our midfield has zero creativity they all just want to play pass the parcel and not step up. Say we need somone like morelas 😂 OMG yea morelas who done absolutely nothing against Celtic when it mattered. Johnny is a joke get him off
It’s not dressing room disharmony, or lack of hunger, it’s about quality. Rangers have been punching above their weight since PC came in. The league is probably gone but you never know. Football is a funny old game…
Something is going on Jonny, they would run through brick walls for Clement at one point, now its as if they don't care.
Balogun can play left back , smidgen better than braveheart Boran , he`s faster stronger better in the air than any one at the club in either box
If we don't get Tavernier out of that team.
We're well fkd.
Think he's slow slow slow and timid now ?
Just wait for next season.
Nitghmare scenarios.
BREAK THE BANK TO GET LEWIS FERGUSON
- AS OUR CAPTAIN.
DON'T FK ABOUT.
JUST GET HIM.
As much as I hated Barry the bully he’s the type of player we need
2 wins out of 8 and 5 points out of 15. Gio and Beale were sacked for a lot less.
The rot dates back to before Clements time. We were supposed to have a rebuild. Beale wasted money we did spend but there were too many loans and have been each season. The rebuild was a PR job. If we do the same and flood the team with loans and frees and Tav, Goldson, Lundtstram are still here we are in for more torture. We need to depart from that. Use the youths, give them time and add a sprinkling of 2 to 3 quality guys per window in terms of long term signings.
I said from the beginning Beale should of been given to xmass he was sacked way too early.
I was going to say the same thing but he only had one of his signings on yesterday (silva) it's not the managers fault it's the same players time after time...
@@ArcherTheGolfer
When was the last time a Rangers manager lost three of the first seven games?
Aha! said weeks ago Beale had a better record in his first games yees never listened yees believed big Philipe flop was the one haha
The signing policy we have is miles and has been for years we sign players on big money only to find they can't cut it then can't move them on because their on massive wages we get zero value for money
Reeks of desperation signings
Silva has never been kicked or man marked in his short career until he come to Scottish football thank feck we aint going to get him back up nxt season.
Just because you have the doesn't mean you deserved the win . You could have taken cantwell Lawrence and lundstram off after 3 minutes they were useless. And Tav has defensively been terrible since mccausland got injured
Derek you are bang on it. Nae danger, amigo mío 👍🏻💙🇬🇧
I have somewhat a sixth sense, without being big headed - I can be found to be right at times, when whatever it is comes to the surface.
Something is going on 🤔 ❓
Faw-oots or words said & no buried. 🤔 ❓
Or they canny handle what big Phil has given them......
Remember he's learning, too. About them.
There is a fracture of some sort.
I have been correct about this previously...
Anyone remember when Scotty Arfield dad passed, he struggled. Nobody knew. That's just off top of my head.
It does my nut in a bit, how other pundits on here are quick to shut down Derek and his thoughts opinions and beliefs at times.
But obviously I'm a big fan of show and I sub to website ❤
We started the game last night with 11 right footed players. That is a borderline sackable level of strategic coaching.
Dessers is similar to Morelos in front of goal misses easy chances puts away the hard chances but the game tonight had we won we were top league absolute pish. Now we need to win all games n score more goals than septic to win the league I don't see that happening 🏴🇧🇲
Many goals did buffalo bill score against Celtic . A think you`ll find Shankland scored more
Morelos being called prolific 😂 guy had one season he got goals others he was worse than Dessers. Dessers is absolutely not the answer but if not for him this year where were the goals coming from ? Outwith the RB he’s one of the few who actually contributes. Lots of others worth more focus than him, bizarre take from a guy who clearly just doesn’t like him.
Agree Morelos on form..would have scored for sure in these games
Look a like clement and a get it’s the players who have been there before tht are chucking it just like they have year after year. But if you look at the style of play under Beale there has not been a massive change we are still not creating enough chances we are still to slow in getting the ball up the park only change a seen was the pressing but in the last few games Thts been non existent. A striker in January would have helped but imo we still would not have won the league. We are to easy to play through just now the defence is all over the place the forward line is also been poor.
We need a clear out but am not sure the board or the gaffer will have the balls to get rid of certain players. If we line up next season with tav and goldson and Lunny in our team we will lose again
Money real money
Every one of them except for butland can do one hope danilio come good i really like him but everyone else hasn’t got the quality
Dismal result but a far from dismal effort. Too many dismal Jimmies around.
The draw is not the worst part of last night in my eyes it was the fact we played punt ball and little dundee played out from the back cutting through our team all the way to our box can we pass the ball
Was beautiful tiny press from dundee your defenders an midfielders hooked it long to wee short ass ruff 🤣 big dosser came on yous played it into his feet 🤔🤣 cantwell had a tantrum coming off that’s two players in two games. Safe to say there is not unity in your squad an your manager can’t see it 🥴
If you dont want to play for the manager,then do it for your loyal fans who have travelled three times to Dundee in the last few weeks,Phil take a leaf out of big Jock Wallace's book and get the cowards by the throat.
No the managers fault. Its the shit players that are still there unfortunately. The players that need to leave this summer include; McLaughlin, Goldson, Tav, Barisic, Davis, Lawrence, Dowell, Raskin, Jack, Lundstrum, Roofe, Dessers, Wright.
But it is the manager fault, he picks the team. He’s picked the same shite players. I would have thought better of him if he’d picked a team of young academy players. He’s loyal to players who have gotten previous managers sacked and will get him sacked.
@@jcbdigger4162 😂😭💀
Why can't we play Ben Davies LB until Ridvan comes back
Bloody hell, get him in
at C.B. looks like
Clement has an agenda against him.
@@alanfox691 christ knows what's going on with him but a right footer at LB doesn't work and we need sterling's physicality further up the pitch.
In the cold light of day, despite the last three games, Rangers are 3 points behind. Not great and a disappointment. However, we are talking 3 points. Yes, the first team needs works. Goldson is not as commanding as he should be. No controlling midfielder. And no target man/striker that is going to convincingly score you 25 to 30 goals. The quality levels need to go up. Celtic were there for the taking this season but that appears as if its not going to happen now. But cool heads.
This is on the boards apparent snobbery towards signing a Scottish striker! Everyone that knew anything about football knew we needed to sign shankland to win the league. There was millions of examples showing us that dessers would miss triple at least before he might score one. We have a successful history of having one Scottish striker Boyd,miller,McCoist to name a few. That’s the first thing the second thing is lundstrum was hiding last night he does this thing where he runs around trying make himself look like he’s doing something when he’s doing nothing. This isn’t the first time we have collapsed and lundstrum has been a big part of it. Honestly get him so far away from our club sick of the boy.
You need to win the battle before you win the war...
Think loss of Europe has a lot to do with the drop off. Now that's gone, it's back to the domestic scene that those players think that they are above. Sadly, they aren't. Only way this will be solved will by getting rid of approx 80% of the squad, and that will likely engender more nail biting as the replacements will take time to bed in.
For now, we have the concern of the players we have currently are going to phone in their performances for the next month, going to let themselves, and us, down next month at the toilet bowl
and end up with no league nor cup. We have got a lot of red mist to sift through before it gets any better.
There is lack of quality and no flair in this team. This playing players out of positions is not working the only player where that has worked is Sterling. The fight has gone. The team needs to be stripped down and rebuilt. Sunday is a huge huge game to try and save this season. We will be lucky if we win the league on last two performances
I don’t think Celtic will win all there games which means we will have to
Clement, is either deluded, or just blatantly protecting, these serial bottles in the core of the team. If 'any' of the old guard are still here, next season, i think he'll be gone, sooner than we think.
I understand clement not throwing the players under the bus with a lot still to play for but he went overboard with the positivity in what was an absolute shit show of a performance. Whos he kidding ? It was dreadful.
Using the analogy of buying a fixer-upper and start by painting the walls , new kitchen , new roof and other cosmetic improvements is what big Phil did, Unfortunately he did not look at the "foundation" which was severely damaged i.e. Tav, Goldson, Lundstram etc that has totally collapsed now and all the good work has been totally destroyed because he did not fix the core issue!!! Does he have the balls to do what needs to be done or will he allow these chronic losers to take him down as well? Will Rangers fans accept and support drastic change this weekend and for remaining games this season if he does go to his bench and "B" team ??
100% those players mentioned have it written into their contracts that if they are fit to play they will that's why they don't get dropped, they can't be.
Lawrence hasnt kicked a ball 3 games
Well its a pickle and no mistake. Mind you, it could be worse...take a look at Torbett Towers and the shocking admission of guilt re: abuse.
The manager isn’t on the field of play. Same players same results. Leave PC alone, it’s the ding players
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Big 💀 is a 🤡
So this is what is going to happen. We buy crap players in the summer. Sack the manager in November. Get a new manager boost. Then bottle the league at the end of the season. It’s called Groundhog Day.
Lundstrum is so negative and safe it’s unreal.
When we are chasing a goal can we not try something different and keep two strikers on park instead of subs like for like?
Why dowell on for cantwell who is the only player try’s to create anything.
Tom Lawrence dreadful got a double chin and always stretching due to cramp
Utter nonsense from Clement last night btw, he was watching a different game from the rest of us if he thought there was a reaction from Sunday.
It's just so predictable
the standards of the club from top to bottom are extremely dreadful & unles we get mager investment all all levels this will just continue season after season.
I honestly feel & have sead so qhen the club had to play in the lower leagues the club went about it all wrong.
It should have been a fresh start it was far from it.
It was all just a case we need to get back to the top as quickly as possible
you cant build an empire out of quick sand, but that's what the ub cried to do this is the end result of it all a squad full af utter rubbish players.
Question: How many of the current squad would get the greatest ever
Rangers team even on the subs bench for such a team ?.
If your answer is not one then there is the problem right there.
Far to many duds from top to bottom & not just on the playing side.
Investment in the club as the fans do or get to.
Jonny you dont half talk some shite - need to win the battle against hearts and then suggest playing Barisic again! Guy has the heart of a mouse and has cost us the last 3 times he's played.
We do need drastic changes - likes of bringing a young player in because there are players in that team that know they will play regardless how pish they are. I'd rather Clement dropped Lundstram, Goldson etc and tried to slot boys in alongside likes of Sterling. Shouldnt have let likes of Devine go out on loan. Why have the young guys and never give them a chance - at least they will be hungry to impress which cant be said for majority of senior squad. And joshua with his stats and banging the drum for Raskin - he's also been pish any time hes played this season - total myth. This team will limp to end of season now it's a disgrace.
Yep. Raskin is pish.
What does he do?
Hi Fraser. The point is not that I'm advocating for Barisic. He's been awful. The point is that dig is required in midfield and there's nobody else but Sterling to provide it.
@@RangersReview55 I do understand what you were getting at but Barisic has had more than enough chances and at this stage in my opinion giving the minutes to a player who is willing to fight and has a hunger to actually be here. And to counter your point about losing goals via LB - I believe fans would be more understanding towards the situation given the undisputed evidence that Barisic isn't interested and offers nothing at this point. He shouldn't even be considered.
I’m constantly fuming at the lack of player fight, meaningful aggression. They look like snowflakes out there. Teams are bullying Rangers. You don’t even need to be a quality player to have some fight! PC is an intelligent man but IMO is too process driven, the big picture is outcomes by any means!
How many times are these player going to do this pure Piss and if he thinks this is better then we are fucked
Clement’s lost the dressing room, I reckon. Lots of shaking heads at substitutions, sardonic looks on the bench and some players look overweight.
Clement of course is not free from blame. He picks the team and makes the subs! And he has got lineups wrong in recent weeks. He is the one who needs to try and motivate these players with team talks etc. But what is he meant to do with this team? He isn’t going to throw them under the bus with a cup semi final on Sunday and 5 league games still to be played. No Manager has ever thrown our players under the bus. It’s all political stuff for the cameras. Maybe it’s just me but I think he is having very different talks behind the scenes with the board and Koppen.
These players and ‘Leaders’ have seen off 3 managers! They’re mentally weak and not good enough! This is not his team these are the usually failures and Beales’s awful Summer Signings.
He deserves the Summer to build his own team as best he can with what little money he will probs have. It’s not gonna happen overnight and will take a couple of windows. But he needs to be ruthless and get rid of the old Guard and as much of Beale’s signings as possible. If he doesn’t then he will get the sack and it will be rinse and repeat.
Joshua all that bull means nothing goals win games
How about get rid of the squad and start from scratch not hard. Keep the same bottlers then you get same outcome
you don't think it's hard to sell everyone and buy an entirely new squad? are you nuts?
You offering to buy the whole kit like? Snd pay top dollar to give us the funds to start again. It’s no fitba manager lol
@@stephencochrane4864😂😂😂 start a new save file
@@Nooneneedsthisdon’t need to sell everyone we’ve got 9 players out of contract that’s a big start . Pay attention
Could play the under 15s since you live in fantasy land and think there’s funds available to pay off all contracts and replace a whole squad nae bother
Flexible finance 😂 free controller for phillipe flop 😂
Rangers don't go anywhere from here. We're sunk. The core of this team are bottlers. The same bottlers who lost the last 3 managers their jobs. That's why Clement is here. He's got a tune out of them. Time he brought in 1St class replacements of this core of the team. Buying dud players from EBay isn't working. Silva has had his cardio and time to rehearse his play acting at Rangers .Send him home.
Throwing millions getting Shankland in for me is a wrong buisness decision again as he will not be worth a penny when his probably long term contract ends.
For me, Miovski will be a better signing as he is just as good or better than Shankland, younger, faster and will have a good sell on profit if he does well for us.
Getting shankland would have won us the league and champions league money, so worth it jist for that.
tav is no captain if he was a captain he would be like ferguson in peoples faces shouting roaring at players to get there ass in gear but hes no like that he isnt a captain
😂😂😂😂😂
Absolutely horrendous words can't describe how bad we played, there's no teamwork, no drive or passion nothing, sit the players down and ask them are they worthy of the jersey.
i blame clemont for playing players out of there positions look at lammers he was utter shite at rangers now look at him fly every game is a goal from the laddy there playing him in his natural position simas out of his position silva shouldnt be anywhere near the team yilmaz should be back in the right tav should stick to defending leaving the back door open all the time having to back track every game why are we not playing maclausland now because we have silva in the team so the young laddy gets ditched no wonder players dont want to play for rangers like lammers and barasic and cifuentez i dont rate the man we need a brit not a belgian or french manager
This squad is just too used to losing title races, cups etc. Serial losers. Same guys, same story, every time.
Rangers only made a comeback against Celtic as result of another non-penalty given.
Lost respect for the manager.tell the truth.we are shite.🎉
Anyone seen that wee skudbook JD
Silva is very lazy and never tracks back to win the ball just very poor attitude all round
Graphics mean nothing i watched the game don't nead to see that to no we were pure shit
Josh, how can u trust this guy to rebuild ?He's brought in silva n an a guy who can't play coz he has a sore thumb ,get the best manager in the league in who knows the Scottish league Derek mccinnes
Nae Money in the Bank, TheRangers will have another few seasons of shyte before they will even have a chance to compete with Celtic for $$$ and Players. Rodgers will sign a few new faces and this will cement the league title next season. Celtic will be sitting on 80 Million For next season. TheRangers have just a Few Million in the bank. Do the math, When they cheated the Queen from her Money, she is still haunting from her Grave! Ghosts from pasts haunt Forever! Only one Choice, Sell out to the Arabs!!! Or maybe the Lodges will Lend money to the new club.
Clement will be away