Uday Lalit & Harish Salve Speaks On What Is Slowing India’s Judicial System At Times Now Summit 2022
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- On the second day of the Times Now Summit 2022 Uday Lalit, Former CJI of India and Harish Salve, Senior counsel and King Counsel speaks on what’s slowing down India’s judicial reforms? Times Now Summit puts the spotlight on India: A Vibrant Democracy, Global Bright Spot. At a time when the world is working around a wavering dollar, uncalculated war, constant geopolitical tensions, volatile crude prices and myriad local challenges, India continues to march forward with a historically enviable global respect, exemplary neighbor relations and a buoyant economy. Each State comes together to strengthen the national agenda, thus making the vibrant democracy of India, a global bright spot.
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Harish Salve's thought on collegium & judicial appointment is CRYSTAL CLEAR.... the supreme court should heed his advice...!
Mr. U.U. Lalit assumes that the high court judges are epitomes of all virtues when the facts are otherwise.
Aise hi log aage nikal jaate hai
And see how UUL inadvertently nods a couple of times in agreement even when arguments put forth by HS are contrary to his. This shows that UUL was defending his previous stand on Collegium System only as a chore, and rather half heartedly, realizing all the while the futility of his own arguments.
What justice Lalit will say about Shanti Bhushan Ex Law Minister of India alleged that 8 ex CJI were corrupt. SC did not even dare to issue him a notice. Only 100 families are holding collegium system.
U R 💯✔️ Bro 👍
Rahul Mr. Lalit is just dodging. Beyond that his comments are pedestrian - लकीर का फ़क़ीर। Mr. Salve in contrast never disappoints. He not only has command on facts but he also has a command on legal, parliamentary, constitutional and social concepts and he brings both into discussion and his commentary with admirable frankness and clarity.
This kind of interviews will help people of India and the young students
Shiv Shankar is meticulous courteous with all humility poses questions. Very decent discussion. Kudos
Even I can see that the collegium system is undemocratic and a power grab.
dear RJ its not undemocratic but still it have lots of flaws
@@rameshpandey3986 Dear Collegim is not part of our Constitution....so then how it's democratic?
Listening to former CJI and most experienced senior lawyer and former Solicitor General of India Harish Salve is most enlightening! It is a real treat to hear them speak! Regards and best wishes, Sanjeev Sirohi, Advocate, Meerut
They are British colonial bureaucrats and enacting democratic laws is subject to recognition and control of Government by deliberation of actions and reactions of opinions of delegates of people to carry out the wishes of people observed by Dr Ambedkar sahib
Appreciate T.O.I and the journalist for conducting this excellent interview. Personally I have learnt a lot.
Indian judiciary aur pakistani army Bina jimevare k country ko rule krne ki rah me hai.
This is Times now Channel not Times of India
When we talk about transparency from parliament to panchayat we can’t digest the collegium system for higher judiciary appointments. The time has come for the judiciary to be transparent and allow a new system which can involve parliament and eminent citizens to have a say in higher judicial appointments. The debate was interesting and Rahul conducted it well 👏🏻
Mr salve was crystal clear while Mr lalit was just trying to save judiciary's unconstitutional collegium system
Actually he is the product of that system
Both of you're right. All corruption starts from judiciary system and all most all judge's are bribed through kapil sibbal like people people's for the benefits of their Criminal clients. That's fact .
This proves that we have some biased people holding high position in judiciary.
In collegium is worst as it may lead to parivarvad and selection of judges of those judges who hv same ideology as that of selector judges hv for long time and even trading if no consensus does not energe.
Collegium is just to appoint their near and dear one's.... If it is not let them compete and select 5 out of 1000...in free and fair competition...
The case of selection of chief election commisnor, SC is really entering the executive doman. CJI be part of selection board, but why?
So that they can control elections in india.. only thing left is army chief appointments
Dubious election commission will conduct dubious elections giving dubious government making dubious decisions
@@123xyzabccba can Supreme Court appoint army chief?? Dubious army chief will lead dubious army policy lead incidents like Galwan
But Collwgium doesn't keep any record of deliberation. It's not being made public. Then talking big about system is falls. He must answer how come court is full of relatives of previous judges. What was merit of rejection of other must me on paper.
Shaandaar occasion, nice analysis 👍👍💯. We cant agree with mr. Lalit. Collwgium system is very bad for our Nation. 🙉🙊🙈
Excellent questions and opinions of two judicial luminaries. It is high time iron out wrinkles appeared in judiciary and executive. The urgent solution required is how to reduce the duration of decades old pending cases before various courts.
All the functions of democracy are recruited as per the appointments by the or on behalf of President of India by certain procedures. But the judiciary made their own recruitment systems beyond the democracy procedures in India🇮🇳. But still we are a democracy. Strange.
I can't understand why indoan judges want to stick with colonial system .why use too much ..if and but...judges are part of the system..but they follow their own system..it is like a parallel power ..whi h is not acceptable..
Too much ego in the ex judges for their judicial system which has given such shocking statements and verdicts at times. The delay in our judicial system is horrifying to see in news everyday. Uday ji saying we will do it when we feel like it. Salve jis few statements destroyed his arguments.
I am completely agreed with Mr Salve.
Kudos to Times Group for this series.
Each talk has been not only well conducted but also very well drafted.
Each question is something public has in mind and the replies have been equally good.
Wonderful experience really .
This system should be immediately changed, if legal procedure demands, by an Act of Parliament. The citizens of the country also demand that vacation system of the Courts of Law should be immediately abolished and follow the usual system followed in respect of Govt. Offices, so that pending cases are disposed of quickest. There should also be a time line fixed for disposal of of cases. The dilatory procedure now followed makes the people disheartened. The Authority in the Welfare Govt. should also keep an eye on the performance of the courts so that justice seekers get the justice within a reasonable time. It is horrible cases linger on to ten, fifteen years time. There are many instances verdicts come after the death of persons, useless then it is.
Deeply Insightful....thank 👌👍🙏
attend the senior judge wife s house hold work , be arranger of the marriage ceremony , gas and tickets arrangements ,,, this is how the junior judged by senior .... total chamachagiri ... very poor methods
W were dragged for 5 years on the orop issue. Invariably the honourable judge would give the timing of 4 pm walk in admit he is tired and give fresh date. He has given innumerable reprives to govt lawyers when they said " we are still preparing our documents" . The IESM reps would go back disappointed. By all standards of our judiciary, five years is a hallmark of efficiency.
Salve ji ...no nonsense approach.
Pity India has had such CJIs
Valuable discussion.thanks.respect to mr lalit n salve
Appreciate this.
If the collegium system is good then the Army chief will be selected by a collegium of Army officers. School / College Principals will be selected similarly. Commission of Police, Captain of cricket team and other sports, chiefs of ISRO and other science and technology organisations and a plethora of such posts should adopt a collegium system. In future instead of elections, a collegium of politicians may choose members of parliament, rajyasabha, state assembly etc.
Plz don't show that u r stupid. Learn the difference between judiciary and executive.
@@indiathatis2987 Thanks for complements. I don't argue with fools.
@@atul58 Most welcome 🤗
When some judgement of High court is reversed by Supreme court then it goes public mind that high court judge was wrong, and if a judge who was and can he be appointed as supreme court judge?
Harish salve ji,s views are more logical and more open minded and forward looking for Judical reforms and this present system of judges appointing judges with no transperency and the whole system is classic example of nepotisam going at highest level.Ex CJI justice U.U.lalit trying to some how justfying the collegium system and judicary overeach.🙏
Ex-CJI seems to suggest that the judges who appoint other judges through collegium system are perfect beings and are infallible. This is hard to accept, especially we get to see the quality of the learned judges who keep making silly errors judgement. Therefore, to say that the collegium system is the best system.
The judiciary needs complete overhaul. How does a common man feels seeing netas enjoying resort facilities in jail and people like Aftab Manu Sharma and such case getting stretched to years together and finally getting bail, Rajeev Gandhis killers getting bail. They open court at night for terrorists but not victims like Nirbhaya.
What about freeing of Bilkis Bano rapistss???
The way interview was çonducted by Rahul is commendable. What The ex judge said is immaterial as every Indian knows what goes on in Indian judiciary system. As someone commented in comment box, the verdict given by a HC judge is reversed by SC. That means, he is incompetent or who is right HC judge or SC judge and are they referring to different law's?. The judgement is always debatable even common man notices it. As a human being a judge is biased depending on his religion and inclination to a particular political party.
Sir , recently Kolkata HC acquitted three convicts on the ground of they not being on the top echelons of terrorist organisation. Any views pl
Excellent interview 👍
Great Great Discussion !!!
The public sentiment about judiciary is a factor which too is important and should be considered favorably by all concerned parties while dealing with collegium system and other issues
Law of the land can definitely be improved.
Excellent articulation. Unfortunate that his tenure was so short.
You should have invited Shri Shri 1008 "Ajit Bharti" for this talk.
Excellent sort of erudite oration on unique subject matters concerning judiciary and executive and related subjects, by both honbl ex chief justice and our ex solicitor general Mr salve!! Great views and impressions!! Thanks Rahul Shivshankar for putting the right questions in front!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
sc. judges should be appointed by the prime minister and should be approved by the elected mp
How is it that most of the relatives have so much talent that they get posted as judges
જયહિન્દ🇮🇳
Agree with Mr Harish Salve, Honorable Kiran Ji is right Best Wishes
Judiciary must not be self appointed. Judges are not GOD! Goverment Elected by The common people of India MUST HAVE A SAY in the selection of the Judges!!
How can judges judge a matter in which they are an interested party. Is there any provision in law or constitution to deal with such a situation. Are there any such provisions in USA/ UK or other countries.
The court today blames government for the choice it makes as government is also a signatory. So it a like eating and having the cake for SC😊
One simple question: what is the data compiled and how?
Central govt should assert itself and go ahead with NJAC and judicial reforms. The present collegium system is not transparent and accountable. Nowhere else in the world such system exist.
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सबसे बड़ी समस्या ये है कि न्याय हमें अंग्रेज़ी में मिलता है और खाते हैं हिन्दी में। जब तक न्यायालय में आम बोल चाल की भाषा में न्याय नहीं होगा ऐसे संवाद निरर्थक है। ललित या साल्वे सही बोल रहे हैं लेकिन 130 करोड जनता के दिमाग मे गया क्या?
The present day collegium system do not give any role to the government by way of either consultation or concurrence, whatever may be the vocabulary used. In consultation the government seek the considerate opinion of the judiciary and may or may not agree with it in the light of other inputs privie to them only. But the concurrence is a two way thing and both should agree on a name. The element of who will propose is also an issue with definite advantage to the government in constitutional scheme of things. Collegium system do not leave any thing to government and the most unconstitutional authority which wields supreme power without any checks and balance in a democracy . Justice Lalit found wanting in his arguments. No wonder even CJIs now become father - son / daughter- and possibly grandson lineage, and it is going to be more and more a rule than exception and one can point his finger on judiciary. Considering the vast pool of legal minds in a population counting 1.5 in billions it is a shame not on Supreme Court alone, but on nation too. The people of india no more want to suffer it just because the Judges are not confident about them to keep up the oath they have taken to the office. It is extremely dangerous when the Judges feel that every constitutional appointment should be tested on the abilty of the person considered to "take on" the Prime Minister as Justice Joseph commented. Then why one should single out the Prime minister alone, and exempt the judiciary?
Mr Hari salways speeches couldn't be
understood. But Mr UU Lalit's speech is
clear understandable.
For the judges, by the judges, of the judges...
Mr Rahul, I am a blind fan of you . I admire your skill of moderation . I have a earnest request to you , please take care of the audio next time . Audio was very poor .
Collegium is positively useful for a part of judiciary but not for some who deserve but can’t make it due to lack of support from within thus this system is not in the national interest
Nation First 👍
I wish Mr.salve is AG of India … and challenging collegium system in court
Aim and objectives of judicial bench was to visualize different dimensions of Judicious angles. It is only possible if judged by different specialist mindsets never same mindsets of numbers of judges. But we cleverly manipulated and appointed all juducial mindsets in all bench. For example all judicial system oriented individual would inevitably condemn and disagree with all types of killing . But for various Adminstrative solutions it's happening everywhere around the world. So judicial angle are different from social, national or Spritual angles. So unless we incorporate specialists from different sectors we cannot be judicially correct
Judge sahab is feeling heat clear his face expression shows that
Only the Executive appoints judges in every other democracy. It goes with the maturity of the pillars of a democratic state.
Sir, the whole system reeks of nepotism !
We must have checks and balances. Any system is not 100% perfect but we must have accountability to some public body above us.
The basic reason for the delay in delivering the judgments is the adjournment system and the listing process of cases which are not at all addressed in these discussions. As for as the government is concerned it should drastically improve the legal infrastructure before thinking of increasing the number of judges
Preliminary hearing continue for perminently!?
As an Indian I agree that the collegiam system should not be given full power to appoint of judges (for example Justice Ramaswamy (if.I remember corectly) and Justice. Mr.Karnan who where appointed by the collegium). On the other hand the appoinment process should not given to
First time,ex-CJI is on the public stage of any news channel !
Lavlin case of Kerala Government is one example of inefficiency of Indian judicial system.
Why no discussion on UP being topper among all States in pending cases and still
has just one Bench and that too so close to Allahabad at Nawab City called Lucknow and nowhere else? A State like Maharashtra which tops in Justice Index Ranking list has maximum High Court Bench and Supreme Court never deliberates on this! Regards, Sanjeev Sirohi, Advocate
Justice is like an air bubble in water anyone with logic and impartiality can give the judgement
Sir I don't have any knowledge about law, it simply came to my mind so I am putting this question, when executive with its three friends appointments a judge they can be partial same can't be when cji and it's three friends appointments judge?
The issue is mainly that judiciary needs to be independent of executive body. That’s a separate and equal branch of a democratic state. Without its independence there would be lesser check on governmental overreach.
Today perhaps a government you like is in power, tomorrow that may not be the case. Do you want a judiciary beholden to that government?
So while we want some way for parliament - the deliberative body - to have checks on judicial overreach, the opposite should also be the case.
A democracy works best when power is decentralized and responsibility exercised by all three branches - and has an independent media and an informed and engaged electorate ultimately.
सटीक विश्लेषण.... जय भारत
Judges appointing judges.
Members of Parliament deciding their own salaries, hefty retirement benefits after a tenure is over and so on is same.
Nobody by human tendency likes to loose power of control and monopoly.
So, it's duty of parliament to decide the democracy survives in Judiciary and when self regulations are concerned.
At the same time the we should take care that the legislature should not become a Bhindi Bazar.
But democracy and it's check is always needed to balance the misuse of power and in turn trust put in the system.
Colligium zystam ko khtam kr na chaiye .judiciary ki accontability bi decided honi chaiye my loard constitution se above nahi .judiciary ko executive ke kaam me dakhal nahi deni chaiye
Something like indian judicial service need to be introduced after ending the collegium system.
With Great Independence must come Great or atleast some Accountability
Very intense debate 30 mins is far too less for such topic
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I am the most intelligent, rest are idiots. I know the most, everyone else is after me. I am the most important person in the world, everyone is after me.
We can have a constituency of lawyers with atleast " x " years of experience, who have a vote. The weightage of this vote should be 50-60% , balance weight should be with the collegium of judges.
No politician should be a part of the process .
The process should be recorded and published on the website.
I kmow because of my experience, that District Judges are actually AFRAID of the High Court Judges who can be very mean.
Totally wrong title for the video
Not sound logic..frankly Rubbish.. ...logic given by Ex CJI on collwgiun system. If it worked well, so many incompetent and corrupt judges would not have been appointed. Further, same logic is applicable for all other professionals. Hats off to these self serving judges
Justice is saying by virtue of experience the senor judge is bound to have matured enough which has to be assumed and should not be questioned -- Seniority alone is the criteria nothing else
SC sends the files of appointment to parliament. What does it mean? You send a file to your superior office or to a lower office?
Supreme Court is not governing the country! The power of governance is given to the elected representatives
Mr Uday Lalit is now free to air his views more candidly now that he is not wearing the crown.
This topic hardly affects the common man who goes through harrowing times while appealing courts to give him justice.
The cost, and time involved in getting justice drains his energy and his expectation to get a fair verdict.
Not to speak of the corrupt practices he experiences in the judiciary, particularly in the lower courts, be it is civil or criminal.
No wonder the common man has come to regard Courts as 'School of Scoundrels '
The present CJI would do well to address this rot which has now become a chronic disease affecting the courts.
Former cji can tell us what is ratio of H.C:district court becomes judge
Why all the Supreme Court judges come from a few families only?
Justice you Lalit sahab ka yah kahana ke rajnitik netrutva ke jagah collegium system kisi bhi jaj ke talent ko acchi tarah parakh sakta hai yah bilkul sahi hai kyunki agar rajnitik dakhalandaji ho gai to vah apni vichardhara ke logon ya usmein jativad ka factor jod denge collegium system mein sabse bada fayda yah hai ke mananiy jajon Ko rajnitik dakhalandaji ka khauf nahin rahata aur yahi Karan hai ki karypalika chahe jitni bhi bhrasht ho use supreme court ka dar banaa hi rahata hai bus shart yahi hai ki collegium system mein group Baji ya pakshpaat Na Ho salved sahab ki dalile badi jordar thi Lekin sabki अपनी-अपनी Lakshman rekhaen Hain nyaypalika karypalika aur vidhayika kisi ko bhi kisi dusre ke dayre mein dakhal nahin Dena chahie nyaypalika ek aisi Sanstha hai jiske upar hamen har hal mein Vishwas rakhna hoga ismein sanvidhan ke naam per Janata ke naam per ismein karypalika ke pratinidhi honi chahie jajon ki niyukti mein yah aage chalkar khatarnak najir ban sakta hai sal mein sahab ki baton se main sahmat nahin hun shukriya
The parties should not know who is putting the case who is advocating for the case!
Collegium is perfect. We should make CBI, ED and Election commission more independent too. And yes I can't see where is LOKPAL..😉
The proceedings of the body are opaque. That's the problem.
Why cant our Courts run like a Target Oriented Business Enterprise with Agreed Turnaround Times based on a proper categorisation of cases. ON what basis some cases are heard in the night during vaccation time and others after years? Why not computerise the Case Assignment and Allocation in an equitable and random basis to be transparent. Why not make the whole system computerised, paper free and remove the archaic colonical wordings! So that just like in other areas for approaching the courts for claiming justice, the lay person can fill up and register a case online and heard online? There are so many areas which need attention & improvement in a system which is steeped in age old practices & customs! And in this 21st Century!!
Couldn't agree more!
Bar council must approve the same panel of judges. There will be democracy
Indian court system:- murgi chori karne wala garib ko 2 year jail term.
Dusre ka property hadapne wala rich ko bail.
Collegium is near perfect system: By Judges, For Judges.
Also courts never take responsibility example Manipur.
Why collegium is completely removed..
How much is the collegium equipped to know about the antecedents of the judge's character, his illegal relationship, foreign accounts, and his relationship with international agencies?
Good point. Not sure why this question was not brought up?