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The B1G offers more in every aspect, not to mention, RESEARCH.. In the B1G FSU would bring FSU up to $3 B in research money. The B1G brings in more money than the SEC, ACC, IVY and PAC brings in combined. RESEARCH is where FSU adds way more than athletics.
Nebraska says hello.
A few factors. First, the SEC is like bending the knee to the conference. The B1G would be like a national conference with a national audience.
That's what you don't want a national conference. No rivalries, less attendance and more cost. With the SEC packed stadiums, fan excitement and football year round. The Big10 doesn't travel, are liberal and yankees. Not the same culture, whatsoever, with people in the South.
@@danny221ifly The B1G ten has bigger stadiums with more fans more exposure. Stop living the SEC is the only conference life. The B1G is much better. They just don't have ESPN worshipping them all day every day. SEC is not happening.
B1G all the way.
@@user-ee8yh1pf2z I see you haven't seen the facts. SEC leads in attendance and viewership. Better as in wishing they dominated titles like the SEC does?
@@danny221ifly Why do you care where Florida State goes then? Drink your kool aid and go worship Paul Finebaum like a good SEC troll.
We do want national exposure. It will be nice to find the light after ESPN has kept us in the dark for so long.
B1G here we come and I can't wait to out from under ESPN. Good bye and good riddens.
The SEC: How a regional league became a national obsession. Nice read. Oh, that little ole SEC regional conference had the highest viewership totals of any of the conferences last year. It also had the highest game day stadium attendance average out of all the conferences. Numbers donât lie.
Big ten for me hands downs
How is it financially feasible to travel across country for matchups? What about the local grassroots FSU fans that are loyal supporters, yet most canât afford to travel around the country? As an outsider, I think the FSU administration would do a disservice to students, alumni, amd fans by not accepting a regional membership ( SEC) over one that could potentially become a financial logistical nightmare, especially in regards to the current inflation. Remember, we were told FSU is leaving for âfinancial reasonsâ. But
hey, im an outsider, and would love to see FSU make a long-term laughable decision.
I am hoping for the Big 10, but I will be happy with whatever non-Big 12 lifeboat gets us out of the ACC.
Likely horns down for you
FSU , # BIG 10
Hands âïž down is my opinion.
Forget the SEC Conference.
Amen.
Forget ESPN analysts shows host and SEC Conference people.
@@adam6072 SEC probably wonât come calling, but if so, I believe FSU would humbly say yes and Thank you⊠thus becoming members.
Idk if the sec would value us. We need to go to a conference that would actually benefit FSU.
Regional football is a thing of the past
who says so?? Nah most of us still value it⊠Just because the big10 did it doesnât make it legitimate.. Until they dominate college sports then what they do has absolutely no groundâŠ
No, regional is the only way to go. More excitement, more rivalries, more interest and, in the SEC's case, domination of college football. Going national is grasping at straws because what you have isn't working.
Not to Greg Sankey
Do you wanna get on par with Florida? Then big 10 is the direction academics is the key. So many extra benefits to be in the big 10 from the nonathletic side.
Academically we will probably never get to Florida status because of their law school and Shands. But as long as we are providing a well-rounded and respected education to the students of Florida State University that is perfectly fine.
Academics matters little if any in this decision. For monetary stability the B10 is the best option. ESPN is in trouble financially.
@@ijustwanttonap
who make the call on where FSU ends up it's the presidents not anyone else they have to look at the whole Univ. not just sports the SEC does not have a lot of top rated univ. compare to the big 10 that in the end what counts
@@ijustwanttonap I wholeheartedly agree! ESPN is suffering because of the transition to streaming and all of the changing models of TV viewership. No one is really talking about this?
@@ijustwanttonap If you want to set the future for FSU, you really want to be in the B10 consortium. Shared resources and direct access to academic funding is much greater than SEC. The decision on offers to join conferences may totally be made based on money that is true. If FSU wants to be a taken more seriously academically and set the course to go from top 20 Public University to top 10-15. Move to the B10.
Itâs the Big Ten
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I'm with you on every point an fsu does travel well but the average person isn't driving to Michigan
All of the FSU fans who fly into Tallahassee or drive for five or six hours every Saturday or probably Pearly willing to catch a flight to Michigan. TJ is speaking for the folks who live in Tallahassee only.
Iâm already broke as a student why would I want to pay for a plane ticket when most away games I can drive too
@@Jkrishack thereâs plenty of fans in Michigan. They wonât miss you.
I live in Tampa...
If you live in Tampa you can get to 90% of the B1G away game quicker and cheaper than you can get to any of the schools in Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas or Alabama.
Also, who are you listening to that is afraid to play an SEC schedule? Give me a fucking break
â@DoubleFriesNoSlaw
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw anybody that lives close to Atlanta and get a direct flight to all of the big 10 schools
I live across the river from STL, so going to a game at Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Purdue, OSU, Nebraska are all within 6 hours from me. I'd definitely be able to attend more FSU games. B10 me please
Terrible take. The SEC & B1G will both offer FSU a spot in the conference and they will choose what is best for them but to argue that the B1G is a terrible fit is beyond crazy.
I'd love to hear the reasoning for your opinion. Since I laid mine out on this video... lol
I highly doubt that there are many FSU fans that are seriously afraid of an SEC schedule. Iâm also a believer that FSU, Clemson and/or UNC fans would be much more gratified with an SEC conference championship title than a B1G conference championship title. FSU will be fine regardless of where they end up but playing near home has its advantages.
@@jansonroberts2616 not afraid of any SEC team or schedule, but why go where you are treated like crap for decades?
Let's go where we get a clean slate.
F ESPN I don't want FSU's hard work to help those bastards out
FSU and the State of Florida want what is best for the entire campus of FSU, so it does not appear as though the focus is just athletics. Also FSU will still play SEC teams even if it ends up in the B1G. Speculation of an SEC landing spot is just that until FSU is able to have 1st party conversations with other conferences. Also, most FSU grads do not stay here in Tallahassee, they settle in other parts of the country so out of state travel may not be so much of an issue with all FSU alums. Playing UF and Miami annually will probably continue, so just how many games will there be at Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, etc. in a given year? Tallahassee also has an expanding international airport, so air travel is also an option.
Penn Stater here. I think it's no secret that our entire goal is to add one more team from Indiana and we don't care if we ever add another. I think in terms of sports, yes, joining the SEC is a no brainer. In terms of sports and academics, then it's the B1G.
The B1G schools don't make money from sports. They make money from academics. The fact most of our territory is in pro sports cities along with the focus on academics is why there's this indifference to winning natties. Purdue just won a $51 million grant from the feds last week which is only $9 million less than what the B1G paid them for sports. Purdue wins a lot of grants along with every other B1G school.
The other thing being left out is that the goal of the B1G is to replicate the NFL and become the first national conference. The financial gap with the SEC will get larger once the B1G starts securing national advertisers for the Big Ten Network. Playing a national schedule will also help boost the NIL coffers of the players and schools. The SEC can expand to 18 or 20 schools, but there's only so many TV windows on ABC and ESPN to play nationally televised games. And none of those windows will be late night since the SEC doesn't have any west coast teams. That's why the B1G has three network partners and have begun playing Friday night games.
I could see the Big Ten taking FSU, NC, ND, and Stanford/Virginia and then being done for a long while. I donât think they only take ND if the ACC explodes though.
@@Conorj398 There's only one tier 1 school in the B1G pecking order. They'll pursue other opportunities but not settle for any program at any price. Keep in mind they were at 11 schools for 20 years. This idea of round numbers is not required when there are no divisions.
@@heartbreak25 I agree ND is clear #1 but I think they would love to have NC as well if the opportunity was there to pursue it.
Terrible take. Both the B1G and SEC schools make money from both athletics and academics. The numbers donât lie. Amounts vary but they all do make money.
@@jansonroberts2616Thank you for agreeing with me by stating amounts vary. All working people earn money from their jobs. The VP at Google earns the same as a software developer? Lol!
You can simply look up the list of how much each school invest in research posted by the national science foundation. The B1G has seven schools in the top 20. The SEC has zero. Michigan ($1.7B) invests over $1 billion more into research than Bama ($700M). Sorry, not like us.
Im calling BS!! đź
Sounds like they have forced him to drink the kool-aid and spoon feed us how great the sec is folks. Ole well here we go
NO! I want NOTHING to do with the SEC or ANY conference that has ESPN involved.
Well it's a good thing you're not making any decisions đ
@@jamesb0255 That's true. đ But I can still hate on ESPN. đ
@richardbrown2361 Amen ,
I totally agree with your agreement.
Forget them SEC Conference people and and baise Media platform ESPN analysts shows host catering to the SEC Conference trash đ talking mudd slap in face baise Media kiss up .
No to the SEC Conference joining hands
with our beloved Seminoles Tribe Tomahawk Chop Nation.
Amen
@@DallasSports-vk6wt _ I †it! I was excited and naive when my Noles joined the ACC, I mistakenly thought it would elevate the conference's stature in football, but no. I miss the old Independent days when Sir Bobby would take his Seminole's show on the road and play any team, any where. I am concerned with FSU's Olympic sports having a BIG 10 travel schedule but I am sure they can work that out for a more regional schedule perhaps let them stay in the ACC. I am confident that the "brain trust" will figure that out. âș
@@richardbrown2361 Amen Brother, I miss the days when our Beloved
Seminoles Tomahawk Chop teams like
Ohio St and Michigan State
And Wisconsin
Michigan
And take on Penn St .
Those were exciting years
Oh, yeah, it was amazing
Youngsters generation fan who is not around or born
Doesn't no just know how fantastic,
Seminoles Nation was on the road against the BIG Ten ,games away from Hometown Seminoles, Doak Campbell Stadium đ.
With no return games for us coming to Doak, " FSU Seminoles wasn't chicken's on playing the big boys of Big Time College Football.
Games against UCLA and USC , Wisconsin, Ohio St, Michigan, and Michigan St, Indiana, Nebraska. Notre Dame. Penn State. Amen
Florida St Seminoles has winning records against the mighty Big Ten in lifetime âČïž games . Facts.
Amen, FSU Seminoles Nation
As a FSU fan Many years I would like to see the Noles land in the best position. The B1G would elevate the school in many areas. It would great for their academic future. The possible AAU status in coming years would also be a plus for the Noles. I believe FSU would be a financial bonanza for the B1G. They would add eyeballs and bring financial rewards to the B1G. Also the NOLES would add more weight to the B1G BRAND an BRAND scheduling. Going to the SEC would not elevate the school as much as going to the B1G , however its main advantage is that it would remain in a geographic area with well established foes. I believe they would bring additional eyeball to the conference and would readily pay their way. This would also allow the SEC to remain their crown as king of football.
ESPN owns the sec and the acc tv rights so I believe that espn wants FSU and Clemson to be in the sec. Itâs all about money.
Love the video and GO NOLES
Ok I was really hoping they would go to the BIG10 but you sold me on the SEC if that is an option. Just hate the idea of partnering with SEC/ESPN đ
Green is green.
Big 10
Iâm a bit stunned by this. I had TJ pegged as pro big 10 because he like everybody else knows the path to more wins/prestige is much easier Big Ten. But when it comes to old school rivalries and what makes college football great, everything heâs saying is absolutely right. The money too. Florida State is a great fit in the SEC. They wonât dominate the way they would in the Big Ten, but theyâll be more relevant to their own fans and recruits for that matter. Have a newfound respect for TJ, for just being real.
Big Ten schools on 40% of the Big Ten TV network while the SEC owns 0% of the SEC network.... the SEC is only as stable as ESPN is which is not very stable. The Big Ten has a vast Network system with many TV stations. The Big Ten has over 250 more licensing rights than the SEC. FSU would have exposure to attract more students from new york, Los angeles, Chicago, in Philadelphia. FSU academics would absolutely improve and may one day surpass the University of Florida being part of the Big Ten academics Alliance. This is an absolute no brainer. đ
LMAO
I'll be str8 up, I never watch Fox so...lol yeah I watch mostly FSU, ACC, and SEC games. B1G games bore da fuq out of me honestly sorry guys I'm just being honest it's OSU usually beating up on some cupcake there are only like 4 or 5 games that even matter when OSU is playing Mich, Penn State (even though PSU never wins), Wisconsin, and sometimes Mich State. Yes I know they just added USC,Ore, Wash, & UCLA so we'll see if it livens the conference up.
@@cgiii2440 Doesn't matter what you watch. Friday nights belong to Fox and so will Saturday late night. Even if the SEC plays games on Friday, they don't have west coast teams to pay after 10pm. You may not turn on Fox, CBS, or NBC, but the local bars and restaurants will who want to show live TV. And it's that content that advertisers pay top dollar for and how the B1G earns their money.
@@heartbreak25 you can use the logic if you like, show me Rutgers TV rating numbers I bet they suck despite having NY TV market...đ€Ł
â@@cgiii2440 You're not the first person who doesn't know how TV works. Alabama isn't a top 5 TV-rated team because of Tuscaloosa or the entire state of Alabama. They're a top team because they also get eyeballs in Texas and California.
New York has the third largest number of B1G alums after Chicago and LA. The purpose of the B1G being in NYC is so Ohio State and Michigan alums can watch their schools on the B1G Network. When Ohio State played Youngstown State on the Big Ten Network last season, that's when the B1G got their money's worth from Rutgers being in the conference. The B1G still owns 40% of the Big Ten Network and every OSU fan in the NYC media market had to watch it, and the advertisements, to watch the game. The SEC owns 0% of the SEC Network - go figure.
I'm a PSU alum living in Chicago. I have to watch the Big Ten Network for PSU content and the channel is on every provider here because of Northwestern. If the bars and restaurants are playing a Washington vs UCLA game at 10pm on Saturday night, then it'll be broadcasted in Chicago and NYC because of Rutgers and Northwestern. And there won't be any competition from the SEC during that time window for eyeballs.
Does that logic work? If it doesn't, it really won't matter, because the checks will cash all the same from those who are watching.
For revenue, you ignored research $'s. Geographically and socially (fanbase) SEC makes more sense, but Financially (TV & research $'s) and academically (AAU) BIG10 is better.
I don't mean this as bad as it's going to sound, but I truly don't care about the research dollars... or at least care very little. The average person that's tuned in cares about athletics being better so that's mostly what we were speaking on.
The Big Ten Academic Alliance is an academic consortium of all Big Ten universities. Annually, the schools currently constituting the Big Ten Academic Alliance produce over $10 billion in funded research, doubling any other conference. Leaders from their member universities are exploring ways to promote greater strategic engagement across the spectrum of the research enterprise to leverage and build upon the significant resources and research facilities.
BTAA universities educate over 605,000 students, including approximately 400,000 full-time undergraduate students and over 100,000 full-time graduate students.BTAA universities award 29% of all agriculture Ph.D.s, 18% of engineering Ph.D.s, and 18% of humanities Ph.D.s in the United States annually
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw Fortunately, those in charge of making major decisions look at the impact of every aspect when it comes to doing what's best for FSU.
@@FSU.Seminoles1 I would agree. i get the argument for the SEC and don't disagree.
@@FSU.Seminoles1absolutely. Many more factors than just these that weâve all listed. I am giving my preference.
Why the spin to show FSU should be in the SEC? Seeing this more and more on multiple sources makes it clear the decision has been made now the media has to pave the way attitudinally.
As soon as noter dame joins big 10 they will consistently make more than sec . I want BIG 10
Ironically, Its in ESPN interest to have each SEC team make more. SEC is still more valuable than the Big even if ND. Disney just keeps screwing ESPN. However that should eventually change.
@@thomasmoss1066 If the SEC was more valuable, it would be making more money yearly!
@@arronfrazier7873 It will soon. You have to work with your partners. Why is Oregon and Washington not making their fair share?
We could say this lack of payment to Washington and Oregon looks like poverty? hehe
@@thomasmoss1066 Because, they aren't USC and UCLA who are located in LA, the 2nd largest Tv market in the nation and the 1# populated state.
I think fsu will eventually get out of the ACC, but I donât see any announcement being made until next off season (2025). All the court stuff seems to be moving slow.
With regards to womenâs soccer and softball I would rather be in SEC for what is worth. However, either the Big10 or the SEC is better than the ACC.
So tired of the SEC rubbing off parties. Every year the SEC has two juggernauts and everyone else...JUST LIKE THE ACC!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah its a better fit but the big match ups would be so fun. we already play sec teams every year. ohio state mich usc oregon all fun match ups
As for the B1G school somehow not caring as much that's laughable... they care more and care more about more sports! The suc conference only cares about 3 sports or so for men's and women's! Most all the suc(minus the more B1G like new additions) sponsor much less sports across the board period!
I'm a B1G alum and born and raised in the Midwest. Other than OSU, UM, Iowa, and Nebraska we don't care about college sports. We all live in pro sports cities. That's actually our secret to success. When the TV networks do stuff that may increase TV value but harm our teams, most of us don't know or don't care. We're just waiting for the fall to return for NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL.
If FSU gets in SEC, it will spell trouble for a few juggernauts of the south
Nope. If its delayed entry you should have time to build the depth you are going to need like Texas did.
Like LSU
@@johnfridayxiii8455 LSU has been having its own problems. Theyâll build it back soon enough.
Just to set the record straight that FSU BoT meeting for July was set for the 22nd since Jan. It has not been moved recently.
Agreed with everything you said 100%. Been saying it from the beginning, itâs SEC or donât move.
It's being reported that Yormark is gonna go hard after FSU/Clemson. If the SEC/Big Ten is not interested in FSU/Clemson, why wouldn't FSU/Clemson just stay in the ACC at that point? Does FSU hate the ACC that much?
The vast majority of fans donât travel to away games, so I donât care about travel distance.
I prefer SEC for ease of travel both for our fans and the for putting visitor fans in the stands. Would be happy with Big10 though.
Not only that, but the money is going to dry up sooner or later, and traveling around the south compared to the west coast or mid west? I know, people have been saying the revenue will dry up for decades now, but it never seemed more possible to happen than it does now.
I would prefer NOT going to ESPNâs SEC. I donât like either one. Flights are available anywhere in 4 hours. Road trips are great.
FSU shouldve been in the SEC decades ago.
Any Florida State fans that are afraid of an SEC schedule are not true Florida State fans. Sorry for the tough love.
So tired of the SEC rubbing off parties. Every year the SEC has two juggernauts and everyone else...JUST LIKE THE ACC!!!!!!!!!!!
â@@butterbook what 2 juggernauts...I hope you don't mean FSU because juggernauts don't get blown out 63 to 3....ever.
When you look at a map of the US you see that The B1G occupy the upper half of the country. They extend from East to West. They are not a geographical conference. They are a BRAND on BRAND on brand conference.Geographical location are not as important to them as brands. They have many good brands and adding USC and UCLA added to that. FSU and Clemson are big brand names and would readily fit into that structure. The SEC on the other hand is a geographical conference. It bound and limited by restrictions on all 4 sides. The SEC features geographical competition between geographical neighbors. The competition pits many very good teams against many middle tier teams. If the B1G came in the Southeast and took FSU, Clemson and UNC It would make the region B1G territory and condense the SEC geographically. There is no place for the geographically land bound SEC to expand. They are a geographically dominated conference. It would make the B1G the king of college football.
LOL, and yet the SEC has the highest viewership totals, highest actual attendance average, highest rated recruiting rankings, the most NFL draft picks and has the most national championships through all of the 4 team CFP era. Say it ainât so. Somethingâs wrong with your map if itâs telling you the SEC has no where to go. Hahaha. Funny stuff.
I want to get out of the acc first. I don't want a backroom deal with espn, unless espn pays our full freight.
The B1G is better for us. That's freaking obvious.
You lost me when you claimed that Nolesâ fans are a better fit with the sec fan base. Itâs obvious youâve never lived in Alabama!
You also pointed out the B1G schools that arenât heavily invested in football while completely omitting the SECâs, such as Vanderbilt among others.
The ONE and only advantage I see with joining the sec over the B1G is the ability to legally carry while traveling.
Among what others? Vanderbilt, sure. What others?
B1G all the way.
Funny a lot of chatter today about Miami to BIG today.
Some chatter the past few days about the SEC and B1G not driving their own buses on expansion. ESPN and FOX perhaps are the actual drivers of where this is going and whoâs coming along for the ride.
@@jansonroberts2616 I donât believe that. The president still have to vote. The networks probably have to approve prior to vote and we know (as shown in the ACC) they can apply pressure
The Big Ten president's wanted Stanford. Fox nixed it.
@@adamb6370 I donât know what to believe anymore. For years itâs been no secret that the SEC wanted UNC and UVA. The SEC supposedly had no interest in Clemson because it has South Carolina and no interest in FSU because it has UF. The past few days it appears from listening to these podcasts that there is some serious traction with FSU and Clemson coming to the SEC. Why the sudden change?
@@leeislandcoast there was a good report about a month ago that showed this process. The network first approves the school then the presidents vote to decide if they want to invite.
I agree
This take sounds like a pivot from an early strong lean toward FSU to B1G to moving in an SEC direction...What does TJ know? BTW I tend to agree with him on this. However, either conference would be a huge upgrade from ACC.
Spot on analysis. Even if less $, SEC would be the most beneficial for ALL of FSU and Tallahassee
GO NOLES! đąđą
FSU will be a top tier opponent in any conference. FSU's fan base is nation wide. Why not capitalize on that? Regarding the Noles fans fitting in with the SEC, I've never heard of a Nole killing trees on a rival's campus. I've never heard of any Nole, or a dozen or so, having the FBI's involvement due to sending death threats to their own players. Like Sankey stated, "One doesn't look like the others". In this scenario, regarding FSU, he was completely accurate. Noles are of much higher quality.
LOL. Except at Publix grocery stores and Footlocker stores at the mall. Highlarryus!!! Hahahaha.
I have been thinking about that for so long too the point I don't care where we go but I just want us to be able to play in the playoffs and any other team that make it through the regular season undefeated like we did last season and not be held out of anything just because a player injury that is bias in a whole lot of bull crap just because ESPN commentators or all associates doesn't think that it wouldn't boost the TV ratings dealing with money if you make it undefeated and have all the accolades in such and such etc etc does not give anybody your power to stop any school or university the opportunity to play you don't know how the outcome may be until the game is played that is the reason why they play
SEC for all sports is the way to go. The football & softball rivals would be awesome
I think the money will be very even between SEC and B1G. I do wonder if SEC would bring in FSU as a full paid member. B1G would definitely bring them in as a full paid member. I also think the B1G helps build a national brand when FSU is physically playing at USC, OR, WA. I could see Olympic sports being more regionally played. B1G education money blows SEC out of the water. Also, don't think that if FSU joins the B1G, AAU statis is almost guaranteed. B1G fans will flock to FSU to get away from the North cold.
The SEC has a full pro rata clause in their media contract but itâs contingent on the SEC only adding two at a time.
@@jansonroberts2616 I thought it was new states/media markets only. But that could just be B1G/B12 hopefuls saying that.
8-4 gets u in the playoffs
Vanderbilt needs to be shown the door in the midst of all this realignment. The have not even tried to keep up with all the funds they receive.
Donât how you can argue that the Big Ten is how your Olympic sports die. The Big Ten supports Olympic sports the SEC doesnât even have, as well as has four of the top 10 universities with the most Olympic medalist students and alumni. SEC has one in the top 10 and itâs Texas.
Great question -- the SEC is the best for the top 4 sports -- Hoops (M/W), Softball, and Baseball. B1G doesn't even care about baseball and before UCLA joined, had very little softball impact either. Hoops isn't has bad, but it's certainly not elite.
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw thatâs not Olympic sports though, thatâs just the top three revenue sports. When people talk about Olympic sports itâs everything within the actual Olympics. If you are truly looking at Olympic sports, then the Big Ten clears easily. Partly because there are a variety of sports that the SEC doesnât have varsity teams for that both the Big Ten and ACC do. That was a huge factor in why schools like Stanford and Cal joined the ACC when the Big Ten didnât send them an invite. They support all the sports they compete in that are in the Olympics.
And I just disagree about basketball, historically the Big Ten has been a much better basketball conference than the SEC as a whole. Despite being down the last few years, the Big 10 still destroys the SEC in final four appearances and tournament wins for the last decade.
@@Conorj398 Understand the difference in word choice. During the video, I explained what I meant with that choice of words, but understand the difference in choice there. Yeah - I meant those sports.
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw well then thatâs just a pretty poor choice of words based on how itâs commonly used.
@@Conorj398 Hope you will make it.
Go NOLES đ„đđ
What do you think of FSU's new academic branding initiative? Yesterday, they released a new logo to be used for non-athletic things. Seems like they are trying to advertise their academics, which seems like AAU / Big 10 prep work.
They definitely prepping but the B1G not taking you unless you get a ND or NC as a partner. If somehow you got in without them they want pay you equal just like Washing and Oregan, That is why the FSU AD was whining about getting paid. SEC would treat you as an equal. Double fries sees the writing on the wall.
The AAU accreditation is something Florida State has been working on for several years. Well before any of this conference realignment crap.
Florida State will be AAU accredited whether we're in the Big Ten or the SEC.
Conference alignment doesn't mean anything to the AAU.
â@@thomasmoss1066BINGO!
@@jamesb0255 the B1G has some snobs as presidents. I know and proud as a Floridian as FSU increase in academics. However some people exclude people or programs to feel good about themselves. The B1G looks down at SEC academics but the SEC has more champions in academics than the B1G has champion football teams.
â@@thomasmoss1066As far as being a full partner, maybe, maybe not. FSU brings in much better numbers than either of those teams. Much more.
NC and Virginia are the ones really valued out of the Acc. That's hurting Fsu and Clemson. Possible why those 2 are in court because they fear if they wait the are going to stay in a depleted Acc or the Big 12. Ncst and VT are possible valued more by the P2.
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One benefits is warmer weather and teams are right next to one and other.
Culturally FSU fits in with the SEC. B10 schools probably think FSU fans are ignorant hillbillies. They would look down on you while shoveling snow off their driveways four months out of the year. FSU would have to get used to playing on frozen tundra and dodging stampeding caribou and checking its back for sneaky polar bears.
Someone please tell me why you are making a little stadium. It's understandable if you go to the Big as it will be less excitement and the northern teams don't travel. However, if you go to the SEC it is totally inadequate. If you are a decent team with Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee coming to your place a 100,000 seat stadium will be constantly packed. You would be a big time team in the SEC with a little time stadium with what you are doing with Doak now. Also, the SEC requires a pretty good chunk of tickets to visiting SEC teams because fans DO travel. That's even less tickets for FSU fans. Maybe you're going to the Big and don't need an SEC sized stadium. Chime in on this, please. This would also make a good video Double Fries/No Slaw.
Projections are the SEC surpasses the Big a few years in the new contract without adding FSU or Clemson. I would think adding those two will create an even further gap between the SEC and the Big.
Honestly if the B1G goes to 24 teams I see them making 4 divisions of 6 to ease up on big travel.
Love this idea, been saying it for a while that 24 teams seems like the final landing spot on college expansion . The Big10 could bring FSU, Miami, ND, Stanford, and then 2 more. Probably, a team out west like Utah and most likely a school from Texas. If the rumors about Texas A&am are true that would be incredible. If not, maybe TCU.
If FSU wants to maintain a regional identity and believes that SEC is a better cultural fit, then i understand that perspective. However, if they want to be known as a national brand, the BIG10 is the league that will help them best establish that identity.
Me personally, the BIG10 gives them the opportunity to separate themselves from all the other teams from the Deep South and truly stand out.
I don't think they will go above 20 unless ND is part of the package.
Agreed, going to 24 only if ND is involved.
@@kurtritchie5452 Stanford only adds academics and olympic sports. I would be good with utah. TX am...meh, i would rather see unc.
Iâd love UNC but everything Iâm reading says their board is heavily leaning SEC.
I'll say it again. ESPN and FOX are making the decisions on where which team will land. If ESPN wants FSU and Clemson bad enough in the SEC they'll make it easy for FSU and Clemson to get out of ACC by making the ACC an "offer they can't refuse," and have the SEC make an offer that FSU and Clemson can't refuse. I'm sure FOX will also make a play for these teams through the Big 10, but FOX won't hold any sway over the ACC.
If you don't think Greg Sankey has a play in this then you were just being naive. Sorry not trying to be offensive but come on man he's one of the most powerful men in football
@@walterabbott5347 Florida State wanted to go to ESPN/SEC the lawsuit drops tomorrow and Florida State joins SEC. Fact is we are fighting to leave both ACC and ESPN, not get out of the ACC join SEC go back to sleep with the enemy in a different conference. Only to be mistreated under a new conference.
We are out. We are taking our premium brand with us down the road to hopefully a better situation.
Why go back with your ex that mistreats you? FSU deserves better.
B1G or independent until B1G brings us into the conference.
@@user-ee8yh1pf2z Hey, I don't like ESPN or SEC, but it's all about the $$$s and both ESPN and FOX will sharpen their pencils to make it happen for either SEC or Big 10.
@@jamesb0255 Yes, we all know that, but he's tied to the hip with ESPN just like Petitti is with FOX. The bottom line is how many $$$s these teams will bring to the bottom line of either conference, not commissioner personalities. The difference is that ESPN can make it easier to get out of the ACC.
B1G is national like FSU brand. Just like when Bowden was storming the country and beating teams everywhere. Itâs time to think B1G and join!
Have you read the book, The SEC: A regional league that became a national obsession? Good stuff.
@@jansonroberts2616 sure. See my comment below. I think SEC is innovative and will go basketball next. I also think the national conference of B1G also fits best for FSU
Can you clarify your statement? How would going to the SEC not benefit FSU? Thereâs no wrong answer so if you would, please clarify what you meant.
I said going to the SEC was more beneficial.
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw sorry, I was responding to someone else and messed it up. LOL. Wasnât meant for you.
Big10 aways are so much better, and easier to travel to. Would you rather away weekend in DC, LA, Chicago, Minneapolis, NYC. Or Tuscaloosa, Columbia, Baton Rouge, statesville, etc. those are tough places to get to with nothing to do on arrival and horrible hotels. Great for college age roadies but awful for adults.
How about find a way out of the ACC first, when the time comes the Mega 2 will decide for you. Just a couple teams will have a choice and FSU and one of them.
Fsu started drawing smaller crowds because you weren't winning big for over a decade. I see big Sec teams not selling games out. One season doesn't mean you re back. Your QB is someone that couldn't make it in the Acc a couple years ago.
Going to games in MN sounds terrible? Boss you need to get your ass out of the southeast for a change. Many B1G schools, including U of MN, are in world class cities rather than podunk southern shit holes.
And that directly translates to traveling to games. Believe it or not, not all Nole fans live within reasonable driving distance from Tally. For the rest of us, traveling to large metro areas with international airports is a huge plus.
Get off the SEC's nuts!
Calling at Texas a coin flip is wild my guy
This is the same Texas that nearly lost to Kansas State and TCU last year?
Dude you donât know B1G and you can keep trying to force into SEC but Big Ten is where FSU will be valued and improve. B1G all the way!!
FSU's board of trustees just scheduled a meeting for July 22. Big 10 media days begin July 23. Coincidence?
The budget meeting was probably scheduled before the Big10 meeting as there are already meetings scheduled for September and November.
@@seekingthetruth2748 But, why schedule the day before? It seems too coincidental to me.
â@adam6072 So you think the BoT scheduled the meeting in Jan to be the day before the B1G and they knew the date in Jan? It is either B1G schedule the day after knowing the FSU budget meeting date or coincidence.
@@seekingthetruth2748 They didn't schedule it for a specific day in July until recently. It's entirely possible in January they knew Big 10 media days would be held in July. So they picked the month of July and held off on the exact day in July.
â@@adam6072The meeting had been scheduled for Jul 22nd since Jan. It has not changed recently.
I hope it's not the SEC. Not the way they treated FSU. Stick a finger in their eye and go with the Big Ten.
If we where going to sec we would be expanding Doak not shrinking it .
Is he really bashing and travel trips to New Jersey over Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansas, South Carolina and freaking Missouri? You can literally fly into Newark Airport and take a half hour train to Rutgers campus. Or you can make it a weekend of it and fly into Philadelphia or New York and take a 50-minute ride to the Rutgers campus.
Or you can drive right to the stadium anywhere in the south, please man. Stay to your big 10 and your three championships in the last 21 years.
Glad you aren't a decision maker because your take is wrong. B1G is the best choice.
Would you mind expounding here as opposed to just giving an opinion with no reasoning?
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw
1. Travel is not the issue you make it out to be
2. Academic benefits are extremely important to FSU's future. And B1G is superior for this.
3. B1G travels. There are a lot of B1G alums in the south
4. FSU will be the only major program in the south
5. Unlikely sec would add FSU as they have not expressed an interest whereas B1G has
6. sec ESPN are tethered so why further enrich a corrupt alliance that has substantially harmed fsu
7. Furthermore, it's foolish to rely on ESPN/sec with our future
8. Olympic sports is a huge plus in the B1G
9. FSU can still play sec teams across sports
10. Even if FSU joins sec, we will be treated lower in the pecking order with Fu doing all it can to control FSU whereas B1G wants a southern powerhouse and would treat us accordingly
11. B1G has a much larger structural strength profile, as a National conference on multiple networks
12. Not sure the culture fit is what you think, especially with this quickly changing landscape...adapt or perish. And I truly believe our leadership knows this
That's just off the top of my head
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw I did. See below
I posted several reasons, 12 to be exact, and the post is gone. Regardless, strategically, moving to the B1G is the best move for fsu
Told you 3 months ago FSU, UNC, CLEM., NCST OR VIR. 3 months ago. It is a done deal. Look at the difference your saving in Travel Expenses. SEC is a better conference than the B1G 2 I MEAN The B1G.
Best video yet...SEC for me all the way!!!
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Ann Arborâs ranked the #9 best city in America, but yeah horrible venue. Unless of course youâre just scared of a little cold.
Ann Arborâs not in my top 25 but no one asked my opinion. Itâs all opinion based when ranking cities, counties or states.
Iâll be done with FSU if they land in the SEC. How you got screwed last December will be a laugh compared to the screw job you will get every week in the SEC
It's not going to be easy for FSU weather it's the big 10 or the sec
FSU is going SEC.
I'd prefer SEC
SEC SEC SEC!
I donât care where we go, just GTfO of dodge Lol
Always been 100% SEC.
This take makes me throw up. But it's just because I hate the SEC soooo much.
Nowadays you go where the disney money is.
You are wrong my friend Big Ten much better fit.
Florida State would instantly be in at least the top five of the SEC if not the top three.
Revenue-wise the numbers already show we would bring in the 3rd amount of revenue in either conference. Don't believe me look it up.
Say you know NOTHING about the B1G without saying you know nothing about the B1G. Clearly you've never been up here. I've watched this channel for quite a while now and you just espn'ed the B1G. Nebraska is TERRIBLE, but they've sold out for 59 STRAIGHT YEARS! We win in football, basketball, wrestling and pretty much everything else. I'm a DIEHARD NOLE, that being said, for you to come on here a spew this idiocracy is tragic. You've definitely lost a viewer here. It's funny watching you cry about espn, when you just did the very same this to an ENTIRE conference. Bro, come up to Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin or pretty much any other school in November. Let me know how that experience is for you?
5 minutes in.
I completely agree, I have always seen us as more of an SEC team.
I do say follow the money though. Its better for the school in the long run.
Is it really more money. SEC is going to negotiate more than 100 Mil per team. Plus all that travel? B1G is much easier competition though
@@thomasmoss1066 Sounds like you're a chicken and want an easy schedule so you don't have to prove anything or work and earn anything. Screw the little 10. Yeah the extra 5 mil will go to travel costs for the other sports plus a whole lot more so then it's a net loss financially to join the little 10.
You need more depth to come close to your prediction.
Bro you sound like SEC fan boy. Saying fsu sports would fall just because we in the big10⊠itâs not like we will stop spending just because we in the big10. Gtfoh Big10 me all day. Rather fly into a city instead these racist rural towns in old miss and Mississippi.
Welp, guess this didnât age well
Hard No for SEC. Are you a Homer for the SEC. THE DIXIE CONFERENCE
Glad you have no say in it