Spontification - Why Do Your Favorite Films Look Different?
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Have you ever noticed that your favorite films might look a little different than you remember? Color grading revisionism is the result of modern digital restoration tools, and here, you can see some very obvious examples.
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My ideal blu-ray restoration:
4K scan from the original negative
No DVNR, sharpening, edge-enhancement, super resolution, degrain/regrain etc.
Manual dirt cleanup and stabilisation
Colour graded based on unfaded film source like IB Technicolor prints, B&W separations or LPP (not set photos)
Lossless Original audio track/s, no 5.1 remixes
+Mr. Minderbinder A man after my own heart.
I here is where I disagree with studios. The film needs to be preserved as it historically appeared when it was released. Warts and all.
That definitely includes the original colour grading. We cant keep making films look more "modern" and following trends.
Some of these changes I like, others I don't, and it's all subjective.
What I really want to see when rewatching these films is how they originally appeared back when they were released.
Storm trooper bumps his head, the scene is overexposed, the music cuts off weirdly - keep it. Warts and all.
Personally, I like graphical enhancement if it is done well. But the originals should always be archived and, best case scenario, be made commercially available as well.
That way the original isn't lost to history and those that want to always have the chance to look at the cinematic version the way it was the first time it was screened, yet those that are in for the digitally enhanced releases can still enjoy that as well.
That Terminator remaster looks terrible to me.
What I don't understand is why they can't just give us two versions in the same box: one that has been corrected, and one that has only been transfered, and let whoever bought it to decide what they want.
I'd buy that for sure.
Exactly! AT LEAST give us the two options. Not everything has to "look" modern.
i love film because the color grading feels so natural, just compare jurassic park with jurassic world and you´ll now what im talking about
also that´s why i also prefer buying dvds rather than blu-rays
Overall, I still think the detail gain from BD is worth it, and I haven't bought a DVD (of anything that also had a BD) in probably almost a decade by this point. Keep in mind, in many cases, these changes also affect the DVDs.
There are many GOOD examples of new color grades that really bring out a film's true nature, with perhaps only the slightest bias towards modern trends. Lawrence of Arabia is a great example, as is Gladiator's later remaster.
Phreaker1997 Like Walking Dead vs Fear the Walking Dead.
The grainy film on WD looks superbly better and works well with the setting.
Jurassic world was shot on Film but I agree with you
I fucking hate the new modern trend of color grading old films to look more teal/green, fortunately in many cases it can be mostly be fixed by reducing the amount of green from your TV's or other displays settings.
I think the worst example of this is the Good the Bad and the Ugly. The 2014 remastered version has a yellow tint present throughout the entire thing that makes the movie look like someone pissed on the film negative
Yeah I've seen screenshots of this online, and thought about using it in the video.
wow, that is truly shit.
Yeah. I was surprised it wasn't in this video because it is probably the most obvious example what he's talking about.
God I hate the teal color they put in everything now
me too, I remember it started with The Ring US remake, I loved it at the time, it was fresh. But now it's overdone + the blue filter from the 90s was way better.
yeah, it ruins the illusion that your watching real life and makes you aware it's a movie.
The 50th anniversary bluray Lawrence of Arabia. This IS how it was intended to be. I wonder sometimes how films looked upon first release. Now I know
This is by far my go-to reference for how a classic film should be restored.
Ah, I feel a holiday weekend viewing coming on!
Strike a match.
Close up on flame.
Cut to -
The biggest problem I have with modern technology, BluRay (to some degree) and high frame rate, is that it spoils some of the magic. Call it tradition, but I think The Hobbit for instance looked terrible when I watched it in HFR, but it looked ok in "usual" frame rate. Films like that rely on studio built sets, masks and make up. Too me it became to obvious it was shot in a studio with guys (and a few girls) wearing masks. That totally blew the magic that the first films in the Middle Earth series had. It´s the filter that separates film from reality that is the thing with cinema as I see it.
A lot of the coloring in the LOTR series looking older makes more sense to me. Why would you want to modernize something that looks like it would have taken place long ago? Seems like it fits better.
In some instances, the old one is intentionally faded, for atmosphere purposes. so modern "correction" takes away from the intent.
The Fellowship case is very unfortunate, as the Extended Cut is definitive to me, and DVD doesn't cut it. Why oh why did they freaking do it?
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OMG they have DESTROYED some films. They want to give them a "modern" look?? Looks terrible. Would we like to have a coloured version of Casablanca, or any Chaplin movies? Not at the price of deleting the original works
Everything looks GREENER and that sucks balls.
Interesting shit, keep up the uploads my man.
Dude, this is amazing the lack of views is criminal.
I so hate when the new technology conflicts with the original intent of the creators. For exemple, I recently watched Star Wars ESB on one of my friend's UHD T.V. and, my god, it was terrible. The super clear resolution and the FPS smoothening made us feel like we were on the set, not watching the movie. We could see all the special effect mistakes, every seams, every small moves from the camera. The same evening I rewatched ESB on my pc just to reassure myself that Star Wars movies were still good haha! This is when I asked myself: does this became the normal way people are watching movie right now? Have I missed the technology train that much? I was shocked, I didn't realise waht was Blu-Ray and UHD until then. It is surely not what the original movies makers intended for, not this level of detail... And people want 4k Star Wars Remaster? I just don't understand... (*sorry for my english mistakes*)
(Btw great video, it made me think about)
The FPS smoothing is a separate issue, and the fault of TV settings, not the transfer.
The movie always existed in “super clear resolution” in theaters. That’s not a problem. I would try just turning off the “motion smoothing” effect on the TV.
They made a big deal of the colour timing on the extras of the Lord of the Rings dvd box set, you're saying they changed it since? Why do they have to mess with something that was good the way it was!?
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Your videos are some of the most captivating things I've encountered. Thanks for continually sharing such great content!
I think it all depends on what version of the film you see first. The first time I saw Thief it was on the criterion collection's new version, and I absolutely loved the look of the film. Almost every shot in the movie has added blues which adds to the stylized look and complements the music. However it may have completely changed my interpretation of the film as the original grade seems to have more of a gritty realism to it.
So what you are saying is before DI became a thing, the studios took the Interpositive(which had already been color timed) and scanned it into a DVD with almost no changes. However after the advent of DI, they started taking the OCN and graded them digitally and applied a new grade, hence the dilemma of original artist's intention?
Great video.
That's a fairly accurate summation. It's difficult to know exactly what process each film goes through, and certainly there is a degree of adjustment that could be done at the telecine stage even before DIs became a thing, but yeah, the IP was often used because it included all theatrical changes.
Its interesting because 2001 is going to be released again and Nolan said its going to be a "unrestored" version, and they are gonna using the original negatives and color time it to best represent Kubrick's vision.
@@09Sayandeep Well, they printed the original negatives to fresh modern interpositive stock, and then color timed.
Great stuff man! Always enjoy seeing a new video of yours!
this is a great channel, so glad I found this
Neither the DVD or any of the blu rays of the matrix match the theatrical appearance. There is a low quality fan scan of a theatrical matrix print, and while it's not great for viewing due to the low quality it does reveal that the colours were nothing like any home video release we have seen. Including the new 4k hdr grade.
I am not putting you into my notifications because I forgot all about your channel! Love your stuff
just discovered this channel and it's amazing the effort and quality you poor into your content. beautifully crafted. it's obvious to the viewer that you take your passion for films and transfer it into content creation. definitely deserving of much more views and subs
Great video, I'm always glad to see something from you, very refreshing
it's weird seeing a good quality video with only 16,886 views.
Why do they ruin movies? Then the fans have to spend a lot of time fixing it.
Great video as always, man.
Loved the video! Just wondering: have you seen the horrendous color manipulation of recent releases of the old Star Wars movies? Empire especially has been treated terribly.
+edibleapeman I nearly added Star Wars to this video, but since I didn't bother buying the BDs (out of protest to the old 2004 master), I didn't use the footage.
What's more annoying (infuriating at times) is when they edit stuff out, Star wars being the best/worst example ;p
God that LOTR recolor makes me gag every time
its unwatchable! it literally looks like my TV is malfunctioning.
At Mike Verta's Star Wars Legacy Edition site, he goes over some of the things that happen with color timing in the modern era, in his editorials.
The new Terminator versions are AWFUL. Terminator 2 3D also. It looks like an Instagram filter. It takes all of the colors and makes them blue.
I love the color enhancement !!! Plasma over LCD !!!
Love to see your thoughts on the 4k remastered lotr!
There’re new transfers of The Matrix movies that are supposed to match the theatrical prints pretty well. And Peter Jackson did another regrade of LoTR. I think it’s the best one yet although it doesn’t represent the theatrical version very much.
Thanks for a great video, really interesting stuff!
Thank you, went for something a bit more informative here.
Out of curiosity, who has problems with the Disney cartoons (mostly their older ones) being 'corrected and restored?' Every time I see one of these, I wonder where all those lovely shades that were present on the old vcr tapes went.
Wait, first time I was watching the Matrix on VHS, and it has some brown color tone, I was thinking then that was a some unlicensed copy with bad quality.But it just was the original theatrical release?
I wouldn't compare anything to a VHS as a reference, but the VHS was almost certainly based on the original intent. I don't personally find the regraded Matrix to be terrible, for reasons that I mention in the video, but it IS different, and it probably should have been left alone in preservation of the time period.
AlternatingLine turns out it was also different from what the film actually looked like in theaters at the time since it’s been out on 4k and gotten a new scan and color grade supervised by the cinematographer who says it’s the closest the films looked to how it was at the time than it’s ever been seen before
Hi and thanks for sharing this video! You need to take into account also the way we consume video nowadays. I mean the technology behind the modern TV panels. We have LCD (QLED) and OLED being the most popular and they display content quite different than the "old-school" televisions. Let's take OLED. Atm LG is the only mass manufacturers of OLED panels. But every other company makes their own processing system. This means that the same panel will be tweaked differently by Sony and Samsung resulting in the different viewing experiences. We have all kinds of HDR formats, all modern TV also have some kind of a motion tweaking system or frame compensation that in very rare cases is possible to turn off. Plenty of people own a home theater system. So my point is that the processing for BluRay releases is done with the mindset that this will be consumed at the home environment on a TV that is produced in the last couple of years. 4k got affordable very recently and right now the market is flooded with 1000 dollars/euros TVs that offer high-resolution pictures. Then if you compare it with a 4000 euros/dollars TV you'll notice that the main differences start from where your video ends - the color reproduction, the look of Every single content - tv program, CZcams, DVD or BlueRay is processed immensely by the system build-in TV. And last but not least in every color grading suite the main monitor is a TV ;) Take care and keep the content coming! I haven't watch other videos of your but if you cover the subject of the TVs somewhere please leave a comment and I'll watch it with interest.
love the lil peep instrumental in the background
So the new color grading on Terminator is only on the latest 4K release and any DVD/BDs made from that same remaster? I have the release that came in the Predator/Commando/Terminator triple pack and I'd have to double check whether it looks as green as here.
I could go either way on Blade Runner, and while the original theatrical grading of The Matrix should continue to exist in some form, because the new grade was done specifically so that all three films would match aesthetically (and Reloaded and Revolutions were immediate sequels, not late ones), I'd say the new grade is probably superior.
That Fellowship grade sure is something, though. When one can watch the extended DVD or the theatrical Blu-ray and see that mountaintop snow is clearly white, the fact that it's clearly green on the extended Blu-ray is disconcerting.
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Original Star Wars Trilogy! :'(
why is teal EVERYWHERE
Another point to why I prefer the old Spider-Man films to the newer Spider-Man movies.
I had thought you meant something completely different from your title. I thought you meant where snippets of scenes had been completely excised not only a color shift.
I am glad to see you back doing videos again. I have an idea for your next Remaker. Do you think you will redo the Godzilla episode with Gojira vs Shin Godzilla?
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I hate the Terminator 4K releases, both films look worse than the VHS copies I use to own
What I wanna know is when do movies start using color grading?
Wow, great video and quality
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Han shot first !!!
Always remember every DVD or Blu Ray of a production run will look the same with old film you could go to 4 different theatre's on opening day and all will have slight differences.
Jurassic world is the absolute worst example of colour grading. It looks hideously garish.
Never liked how they greenified the Matrix films, the first was more natural with a blue cover, then they made the sequels and made everything with a green tinge, have they given the first a green tinge now?
Yep, during the Matrix scenes. I have the blu ray and can confirm it, it looks just like the sequels now.
Han Solo vs Greedo. remastering
If I'm being perfectly honest, I don't really mind the darker, more teal-heavy Fellowship of the Ring print used for the Extended Edition blu ray, if only because that's the way I first saw it.
Picture quality often looks different from tv channel to tv channel. Different colors, different gamma... So no, I don't give a single rat's ass about that stuff. Just sit down and enjoy the damn film.
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