Padlock Forcible Entry
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- čas přidán 30. 01. 2013
- Here is a Padlock Forcible Entry training video, it also demonstrates slide locks being attacked. This video shows a large amount of conventional irons work, it allows you to see where the Irons apply, and also where they may fall short. Saw work is also covered and shows how effective saws can be on certain locks.
Master Locks are making more and more sense now. I'm assuming the reason they're so easy to pick is because so few people bypass them that way. They clearly put all the R&D and cost into hardening against brute force attacks like what's shown in this video. I can't believe how well some of them held up when they can't even last 10 seconds to a picking attack.
remember most thieves DON'T pick, they brute force. Forcible entry is usually faster and easier especially when discussing theft. The one thing I DO disagree with this on is that these locks are defeating bolt cutters. TO BE CLEAR, it depends on the size of cutters you have, what most people expect and also what most fire crews carry actually isn't the biggest you can buy, they're good but they're not the best. Firemen in general carry between a 24 to 36" set of bolt cutters, stout to be sure, but they're not the toughest, that rank goes to some of the big 40+ inch bolt cutters used by local and state service groups, DOT, etc. These cutters make pretty much everything you'll encounter in your day to day and even in some extreme circumstances look like pot metal, I really do think it'd be a good idea if they haven't for local FD's to reach out to DOT and other similar groups for what they use when cutting padlocks, etc. remember firefighters don't ALWAYS use these tools they're not a daily use item, DOT and service groups DO it's part of their daily tool kit, some cross communication might yield firemen and women MUCH better tools for popping locks when time is of the essence
When there are chains involved, focus there - cutting a link out of the chain is not only MUCH faster, it's courteous - it leaves the building owner the option of re-locking after overhaul.
Very interesting and informative video! Well done guys! I highly appreciate what you are doing on your job every day. Risking your own life to safe others or to prevent situations from getting worse. My respect.
The Halligan and the firefighters are my heroes.
Great video. Good teamwork. Very informative. The vibration translated to the fork holder on some of those hammer blows probably resonated pretty good into his hands. I know that hurt! Master Lock prides themselves on being pretty tough against shock blows to separate the shackle from the lock body. Even a grade 3 padlock will require 1.5 tons of shock to pull it loose from the retention bearings. You have some innovative techniques and tools. I'm glad you're the good guys!
This is good training for fire and rescue. You need to know what type of padlocks you could be up against and know what tools you need to make access. In any case, a grinder will do the trick with any padlock out there. Great video!
Great video fellas. Definitely something we could all have more hands on practice with.
I realise the video is about training, so for security a padlock is only the securing mechanism, 1st you don't have the padlock in view where a tool can get at it, if the padlock is inside a padlock box which is welded on so has no chains, a grinder or bolt cutters will be useless, I put my locks for a shed inside the building where I have to reach in to undo the lock, if a crook wants to gain entry the roof and side walls are the targets, that's where security cameras, lighting, alarms, and all the other measures come into play, also tracking devices fitted to equipment so they can be tracked, security is not about how good the lock is.
Thank you, glad you guys found it valuable. It's easy for me, I love breaking things.
Hi, just wondering, when you insert the pike in the padlock, why didnt you hit the top of the sweet spot going downwards instead of hitting perpendicular facing the padlock?
This a good reason to carry a battery operated grinder with a cut off wheel. Locks come off faster and safer.
Still one of the best FE videos out there 👍
Damn good video, about the best 1 I've seen
90% sure I don’t need this tool but if it ended up in my garage I’d be stoked
Loving your videos!
New brother in uniform here.
@rangerman375 I do see your point about the lance being more efficient than a small mixed gas rig. I generally have most of the tools I mentioned on my service truck for my daily tasks (not being a firefighter) I was actually musing that I probably have 6 good ways to get any padlock off any door I want sitting on my truck at any given time... 42" Bolt Cutters, Sawzall, Grinder, Torch, 12lb Sledgehammer... I'm sure there is more even but I stopped counting at 6.
Twisting works great, especially with chains.
Just throw a 1/2" bar through the hasp and keep twisting.
Good vid guys... Haven't seen anything from you guys in quite some time! Thought maybe y'all got out if the making vids and passing on traditions business.. Keep em coming... Thanks
Great video. Thank you.
If you put your spike right in between the locking lugs and give it a whack you should be able to pierce the lock casing making it easier to remove by brute force.
11:27 but with the spike on the first hit.
Great video!
When going against a loose chain, twist your iron to get rid of the slack to throw more force into the lock
This was soo satisfying to watch..
I hope these videos help. Good luck boys and thank you for your service!
will striking the fork end break it off from the shaft of the halligan if its one of the cheap kind thats held together with the pin?
I would suggest a smaller battery operated grinder with a cutoff wheel. Safer and often faster to cut locks off, especially given how hefty and unweildly a K12 is.
Great job!!
Out of curiousity, what kind of steel is the prying tool made out of?
For padlocks set the fork around the lock and twist until it pops. Especially with chains because you’ll have the space and leverage to keep twisting
We did this in the army, something people overlook. Get the biggest toughest chains and hooks you can find, rig them to the lock or the hasp, whichever looks weaker, then drive off in a humvee (or pickup truck). The amount of torque and force applied by a pickup is many, many, many times what a human can do even with a torque bar. Pulling the body of that master lock away from the bar would be cake with a truck and chains. I do realize you can't have your vehicle near the lock all the time but for when you can!!!!
Very nice video. Have you concidered using a small hydraulic system? Like a enerpac pump and bolt cutting attachment? They're reliable, and put out a lot of force. Just a thought
Pro tip, instead of trying to sheer the toe off the shackle, twist the shit off. Twist the slack out of the chain if it's mounted onto any, slide the shackle in between the fork or the pike in between the shackle, and rotate the halligan like the hand on a clock. I've done this with a wide variety of pad locks and it will work. If you don't the break the hasp, you will break the chain or whatever its mounted to. I've found this method to be more effective then bolt cutters and it's quick then walking back to the truck for another tool.
Could you help me find more information related to the prop you are using? I'd like to build one and it looks like there is more to the prop outside of the frame of the video. Any help?
Thank you. That was educational! It will change how I secure doors in the future.
The PIG is an awesome tool. I wonder if the adz might have done anything to pulling that off?
try arc torch... little for to haul around and maybe only complimentary to tools and saw, it could come in with thick metal and difficult doors
What happens if you come across a shutter lock
that master lock looks like its kicking your ass...
Wouldn’t it be easier to go for the chain instead of the lock?
Know when to use the fork vs pike on the padlocks.
All seriousness, some of these locks have such shoddy cores that you could either get a core puller after them, or just outright pick them. I know it's not always practical, but it you can rake it open in seconds, it could save time effort, and possibly lives. As far as chains, twisting the chain as far as possible to solidify it and reduce the shock absorption, or just attacking the chain outright. Boron carbite shackles should not be gone after with boltcutters, especially if your department uses hydraulic ones, as the cutting tips can shatter, and injure personnel in the area. It's far less fun than it sounds.
Well i know what lock to buy
your gonna need to re-pin it adding security pins master lock is using good quality materials and good physical security features but the lock core is junk
@@howhow-rx6wj Must be an LPL fan.
you mean you know what lock not to buy...
I can pick those master locks in under 30 seconds.
LeeAnn Burdine know it all
Sorry if this has been asked and answered before.. but how do you guys like your PIG?
Great vids. thanks for these.
With the master padlock on the 4 minute mark... Put a big pipe wrench on the lock body and twist it off. The padlock is much weaker to this type of force.
This is the same with padlocks on chains. Twist the chain up so that it wont absorb as much force and try the hammer it off or use a pipe wrench to easily twist it off.
Most of these locks (including master) are cheaply made when it comes to the actual cylinder. Shimming, racking, and picking is very fast and effective in less-emergent situations.
Honestly even something like a Ramset would be a useful tool to have for blow locks off. Various lockpickers on CZcams have proved its usefulness.
security is an illusion, I see
cual es el costo $ de las puetas
I like that big Ass Gas Powered Rotary Saw with Metal Cutting Blade that F.D have that will Cut ANY Lock faster than Beating the Shit out of it 8 lb Axe or Hammer Plus Less Fatigue. I know I'm a Mechanic When i have use Heavy Hammer and Strike Something with 10 Precision hits takes a lot out of you When I use Air Die Grinder Cutting Wheel Shit I can Cut threw Any Harden Metal Very Fast no Effort . I like watching these Fire Fighter Training Videos Learn a lot of Techniques. Anyway My Hats off to you Guys Thanks for being there..
Christ people. This is not a video on grinders or full on saw use. This a great video showing you some of the tools for the toolbox. All you "I could do this in 5 seconds" guys, upload your videos.
Good video!
the way are department does it is to put the fork end on the clasp and twist it snaps every time
Conner, I agree. I am a big fan of the twist and have a whole other video on it that I just have not got finished yet. It is my go to tactic on padlocks.
Honestly i would use the bolt cutters look at the how much you have to put in to it to break the lock.
Use the saw or hydraulic cutters on the chain if possible. But, Do like the "hitting" tools!
instead of prying the locked deadbolts, I think they all would have come off in under 20 seconds with a flapwheel angle grinder. under 5sec to remove each screw/bolt head. Also, if you're trying to get through the door quickly, wouldn't it make more sense to go after the welded loops on the doors/frames instead of using tools to steady the locks and chains so they can be cut? good video either way.
What's the name of the big scythe looking tool at 4:30? It looks like something out of Silent Hill!
It’s called a duckbill.
Great video, guys. I can't imagine the number of comments you get from armchair lock "pickers". I studied forcible entry techniques as a licensed, working, locksmith to do a better job at keeping people OUT of shit. Rarely do the "skills" I developed during that period of my life come in handy now that, as a firefighter, I need to quickly get INTO shit.
I need to never remember not to click on CZcams commentary. Painful to read. "Bogota picks" and cordless grinders? Let's start carrying a ring of bump keys in our turnout gear! We can add the keyway information of every lock on every door in every structure in our pre-incident plans.
I'm going to look for that video on twisting in forcible entry. Sounds interesting.
You can also open a lock with a nut wrench
I know this is 9 years ago, but i missed the twist technique. Just grab the padlock with a long arm (preferably a pipewrench kinda tool) and twist the lock around its axle until the shackle breaks out of the Body
Often a 10 seconds job if practiced a bit
Those master locks are easy to pick open with a rake.
CSFD kicks ass!
make a tool for twisting toe locks off. Maybe a meter-long bar with a spot to pound that grasps the lock body and then a few whacks and the lock or whatever it is on will fail. LockPickingLawyer demonstrates with just a pipe wrench and leverage, but combine his technique with yours and custom-male a tool and you have quite a lock breaking hand tool.
Those are Master locks. You do know that picking one of those would probably be faster than working on them with a Halligan, right?
I was also thinking bolt-cutters after 3:10
I'd love to see them try a 16mm shackle on an OnGuard Brute bike d-lock with a crude old Halligan + hammer/axe. :-) They're greatforprying open things like doors, where LEVERAGE counts, but brute-force hitting like this (NO LEVERAGE) is an "off label prescription" for what a Halligan (with axe) was REALLY meant for.
Also any non-hardened chain ( 9:00 ) is easier to cut thru / abrade. If it is hardened, then shock (hammer blows) is more effective than cutting. Bolt cutters are pretty good for BOTH hardened steel (or other BRITTLE metals) or non-hardened. If it's not hex-shaped chain, it's more likely the non-hardened, so try cutting (or bolt-cutters) first -- if you have 1 tool for hardened & another for non-hardened handy.
Then they finally DO break out thecutters (11:50) and they attack the SHACKLE (usually hardened) instead of the NON-HEX CHAIN (usually a NON-HARDENED type of chain, and thus less effort than most shackles need... d'oh!!! Murika!! Then he tries cutting the chain ONLY because they "won't fit" the shackle which appears a thicker DIAMETER than the chain (and HEX shaped: boltcutters or any flat blade has trouble with non-circular shapes, which is WHY the hardened chains use hex/square cross-sectional shape).
ThalamusMinimus sometimes the answer it´s reverse thinking, putting the pick of the halligan and hit the padlock directly at.
Several times in the video I thought they will try hitting the padlock.... but they skipped that trick.
That was more evident for me when they inserted the Duck Bill in the padlock, Duck Bill inserted pointing towards up, then hitting the padlock .
Tjita1 we don’t get of the truck with a lock picking set if the building is on fire. We get off the rig with a set of irons, the tools they are using in this video, because we can continue to use them for other tasks through the incident. We’re not going to get of the truck with a lock picking set, pick the lock, then take it back to the truck and get the other tools we need for the rest of the incident. It makes no sense. A lock picking set in this situation is not practical for us.
@@mattwilliams4017 You don't get it. You don't need picks to open a Master. I have, no joke, seen a guy rake one open with his own broken off toe nail in like 0,2 seconds.
carry a few cans of liquid Co2, spray contents of can onto lock/chain. apply any technique show here.
This was painful any thing that’s got a good hasp that is hardened or stronger. You just stick your forks in and twist it. Try it out. You’ll hate how simple it is. I was taught it and then found it in the truck company operations book by mittendorf
Homero Raymundo , twisting is the only way we do padlocks in our classes. I agree with you it's very simple. Still come versions require striking instead of twisting but overall twisting is my go to. This is an older video that was made to demonstrate what striking looks like on most of these. It's miserable. However I got too sick of everything on the internet to put out part 2 showing all of the twisting and comparing. Long story short I agree with you and solely teach twisting.
friends I'm a Colombian Firefighter and I love the FORCIBLE ENTRY skill that here in my country isn't very know. I ask permision to traslate de video to spanish to share it with the rest of firemen of latinoamerica.
At 7:25 you could have gotten on the other side of the tool an pushed in stead of pulling just a taught
3:45 ok what model is that
MattGaming+ it’s the model number M930XKADLJ
The #lockpickinglawyer comes to save the day
@4:50 that's a tough lock!!!
Battery powered grinder i find works great
Sparrows lockpicks - master switch. That defeats 90% of master locks. Or a battery powered angle grinder with a cutoff wheel.
Putting the Duck Bill to work..! My Dept. never uses the duckbill for Forcible Entry
Need to us a sledge not a axe for better impact force.
That isn't an axe, that's a tool called the pig. The pig is almost like a combination of a sledgehammer and the pick end of an axe.
was thinking the same thing a sledge and the halligan. but that wasn't an axe
I can appreciate what you are doing here but holy smokes that cheap home depot chain and junky Master pad lock sure did give you a hard time. What happens if you run into something actually secure like hardened security chain or a real pad lock? A simple 18 V cordless grinder would really help your cause and speed things up.
Wayne, appreciate the feedback. This video is made for the purpose of showing how these locks, even some of the cheap ones resist an impact style of attack. We have several ways that are extremely quick on all of these locks. We twist them off with the forks of the Halligan tool you see in this video, it is easily accomplished with one guy on most locks and it will shatter that boron carbide almost instantly, even on the higher grade ones. It is also not very practical for us to carry a separate 18v grinder on the fire ground, but we do have 14" demo saws with abrasive blades on them which make most of these a 5 to 10 second problem. We have several other videos being made, but again the intent of this was to show many common firefighter tools and how these hold up to impacts.
I see your point of view. I was just pointing out that Master lock is the lowest level of security I’m my opinion. Consider me a resource if you ever have any questions on a security lock or product I am very current o what am happening in the security industry. I also understand the compromise between safety and security. Safety always wins. With things like security film and hurricane glass becoming popular in the general public along with high security locks such as ASSA and MEDECO is make your job more difficult. Keep in touch! Subscribe to my channel.
IRONSandLADDERS Can I send ou some locks to trail with? PM me your info and I will send you some coll stuff!
I bed to differ. The Stanley 60mm schrouded padlock cannot be prayed off, cut with bolt cutters or twisted off. I know I have tried
i think you are missing the point
Will someone please give these guys a cordless dewalt grinder with a cut wheel on it. I could cut through one of those locks in less then 20 seconds with one guy, no effort which conserves energy for pulling victims out and frees up that other guy to open another door.
Oh yeah and by the way I own a metal fabrication shop which builds training doors, lock trainers, and other door breach trainers. I do this All DAY LONG . You do know that carriage bolts are always grade 2 or less (soft steel) so cutting the head off and popping it through with the point on the bar is much easier. The door locks that you buy at home depot and such are so easy to pop off. Take the split fork end and get it wedged in behind the lock then have your buddy put down that useless fire axe with no weight behind it and get a 20lb sledge and drop it one good hit and rip the head right off the lock. Then just poke a screw driver in the square drive hole in the center or take the pliers and give her a turn. Same for the door knob. They come off even easier. Inhave yet to see a door knob manufacturer that makes a descent door knob that doesnt pop right off. Schlage, kwikset, even most baldwin will come right off. You guys are just teaching brute force techniques that waste alot of time and energy not to mention someones gonna get their ass opened up by the back of the axe. Stop trying to break hardened locks and focus on the hasp or eye bolt. They are always weaker steel not hardened like the lock is. One tiny slit in the eye of the hasp then stick the point of the bar in and give it a twist they that hardened lock will fall right off. Oh yeah and hinges are not hardened steel. The forming process used to make them makes the steel weaker. They are punched and roll pressed which by nature weakens the steel.
Drop bars. Cut a small slot with the saw in between the two bolt pairs and slip a thin piece of flat bar you carry with and flip the bar right up out off the holders without having undue pressure on the bar so it pops up easier. On a single drop bar door if the other trick doesnt work cut the heads off ONE side, punch them through with the point and the bar having only one side to support it will swing down and save alot more time then beating the crap out off the door. That technique you use with the Iron may work well on a 20 ga door but wait till you try it on a 14ga or 12 ga door skin. Yes they door make them , good luck in piercing that with your Bar.
Wow, fiery this morning. I like it. A few points that you are missing here, this video is primarily showing how these padlocks hold up to different shocking forces . I can tell you don't do this for a living because when you are in the backside of a building several hundred feet from your truck you don't have a battery powered angle grinder with you. You have your hand tools and possibly a rotary saw. When we have a rotary saw and we come across good padlocks we will use it all day long. Also not shown in this video is twisting locks. While you mess around with your dewalt I will twist and shatter a huge portion of these locks in 5 to 10 seconds.
As far as carriage bolts go we regularly drive them with hand tools or cut the heads off with saws. All shown in plenty of other videos we have. I'm glad you build props....all day long. I'm sure they are great. Props fine tune technique but they will never compare to all the variables in the real world.
You chumps ever heard of a CORDLESS GRINDER?
My ass would be toast if i was waiting for you to rescue me!
For that matter,wheres your bolt cutters? Would defeat most of these padlocks.
What a waste of effort and energy,not to mention time!
this is a haligan bar demo, not a saw demo. but thanks
@@garthqueen A _cordless_ grinder? They make those?
Shit guys. He's right. I just Googled it. We're doing this all wrong. Let's replace the fire service with the goddamned Harbor Freight Rescue Squad.
AirArc Slice oxygen arc torch will cut those locks, door, even concrete like butter in seconds.
Poor departments may not have exo torches. Abrasive saw in hand doesn't require deploying an exo torch, just start and cut.
Also, why wouldn't a truck carry the biggest pair of bolt cutters made? You can buy them at harbor freight for like $25. Then, attack the chain/shackle not the lock.
All that swinging when a turning tool and a rake would have had it off in a jiffy
Every single one of these locks can be picked with a $12 amazon pick set in under 3seconds.
The Master at 4:15 looks pretty good. You would at least hear them stealing you bicycle,
I count a pair of 50'' bolt cutters as a hand tool ;)
They could've just use a 14" pipe wrench and twist those locks...
There you go i have 24" in my Tool Box
What about Thermite? Why not?
They are here to put of fires - not start one! LOL
And then you have that one 7 ft 300 pound firefighter that just rips the lock off with his bare hands
is that a pig tool striking the halligan?
That chain took way too long I coulda had it off on my own in less than a minute and half without cutting and without all that noise
An 18 or 24v angle grinder would be a heck of a lot faster on a lot of those hasps...just grind off the bolt heads. Multiple tools in your toolbox gentlemen... I'd have a dewalt combo kit with sawzall,grinder, impact driver, drill, and circular saw on my truck. Plus bolt cutters and a portable oxy/acetylene cutting rig. And a gas powered cut off saw.
An angle grinder is a very useful, but specific tool. A halligan is a very useful, and multipurpose tool. These guys (and many other high quality firefighters nationwide) will go up to the entry point, identify the lock and mechanisms being used, and breach it with hand tools before you would go up to, ID, return to truck, dig out tools, and return to the entry point to conduct the breach.
Very rarely except for industrial rescue do you actually even need an oxy/acet cutting rig, and even then a Broco torch is generally better and safer due to both burning hotter and being easier to work with (you only need oxidizer through either compressed air or compressed oxygen and not a fuel gas).
Grinding off the heads is also something you can do with a rescue saw, however every evolution I personally have done, or have watched, has taken more time for doing head grinds than the techniques these men used to defeat the weak links (The door's steel itself). Couple it with some good technical knowledge that the chain or locking mechanism itself is usually a cheaper/weaker grade of metal than your lock, and you just identified your attack point. Never mind that in one iteration of a barn style lock in this video, it was about 6 seconds of work to shear 4 bolts once space was made through prying on the lock itself. You won't grind a head faster than that.
Never mind that if you put Mungo behind the halligan you'll always get in quicker than a K12 or angle grinder would. :)
repeat after me.....adapt and overcome.
IRON-Sand-LADDERS
You should see the lock picking lawyer under 1min
Makin another Comment should have 1 firefighter Strapped to Gas Powered Rotary Cutting Saw Runs around the Building to cut all the Necessary Locks and Bullshit and make sure Blades are big enough cut through Block wall to Rescue or Escape
imagine not just rake attacking a master lock.
boltcutters
I love you to
This is where padlocks come to die.
I think EMS is the best thing to happen in the Fire service. They are the real heroes !!!
Mike takes a real man to take Grammy to the ER for her 4th uti this month.
Open Master
Interesting videos! Dont listen to all these know it alls, "shouldve done this or that" lol
Bump key anyone? No?!
Just me then.
#lpl
After a couple of these videos, I’m starting to see another reason why they just don’t hire anyone to be a firefighter. Background checks and what not. Same goes for EMS (two years serving so far).
Hahahaha at 9:57!!