Young audio engineer here, videos like this are incredible resources in practical problem solving. Explanations were very clear and concise, especially the little details of temperature change and how to keep levels consistent in spite of it. Great stuff!
All of his “tutorials “ are like this. He usually has some sort of “model situation “ set up on the computer, or with actual gear. His videos are crazy informative. He shows it all. And he has soooo much real world, cut your teeth knowledge on tour sound
Cool cool James, and Dover is a member of my channel as well. I do live zoom chats and post them and there are a few hundred more vids on the member side
I've been pondering a setup that will demonstrate low frequency nulls in a desktop videotapable scenario. That said, I am on to new adventures and need balance sharing stuff I already know and did vs stuff I enjoy figuring out and learning.
Your performance as a sound engineer is just as, if not more important than the performance of the actual musicians. Poetry in motion is an understatement! Thanks again Dave for sharing real world knowledge with us!
I surely hope you mean is this instance specifically? This guy is a good engineer i have no doubt and much respect! But the SE is around at all to make the musician translate in the room, or on record. Im strawmannirg you because you probably meant this specific performance tho... which is very much materialsport music from what i gather, high and mighty as i am...
Hmmm, an artist can be defined many ways and one way is that an artist is someone who can transform ideas concepts, emotions or entities into a form that is more understandable or accessible to others. Putting more or less weight on the various links in the chain is a very individual decision. Beautiful architectural concepts are nothing without a master builder and a craftsman capable of fulfilling the build along with the mathletics of structural engineers to ensure feasibility and stability. My heroes might not be the same as your heroes and you are no more or less correct than I in who we consider a true artist
@spejsat4505 no for any bullshit DJ who requires this dumbass decibel level. Perfect example of being louder is better, great for grooming high schoolers. Dave is the artist on this one, fuck bassnectar and fuck dipshit DJs with their heads stuck up their ass lmfao
As a non-engineer whos interested in spatial audio and the physicality of sound, its super interesting to see the software used for designing a sound space on this scale. I’d love to see more, especially nontraditional configurations or works with lots of low frequency in three dimensions.
Very VERY cool stuff Dave. I was not present for this show you designed specifically but I was present for multiple other “360” shows Bassnectar put on and they were truly a magical experience provided by a one of a kind production. Standing anywhere in a 20-30,000 person stadium and it sounding as if you are up front is something wild. It’s amazing to see the technical application here having experienced it live as well. More stuff like this please!
Love the timing of this video in my life right now. I’m at Rational Acoustics going through SMAART training and just set up cardioid subs for the first time yesterday. Walking around the pair of subs and hearing the rejection blew my mind. It’s one thing to know the theory, but the practical application made me giddy. I can only imagine what it must’ve been like to get on that stage and hear, or rather not hear it for the first time! Thanks Dave!
That is interesting how seemingly small differences in time and temperature can have such a dramatic difference in the end result. Thanks for allowing us audio geeks a peek behind the scene.
This was such a great video; I remember learning this in school. We did a small setup in a staging room and I will never forget how erie it was to be standing behind 1,000s of watts of subwoofers and almost all the sound was gone, but yet I could hear EVERYTHING shaking and vibrating intensely. I would have paid $100s to have experienced your setup. 🤩
What a fascinating video! Seriously loved it! It was awesome seeing the prediction process being brought to life with the actual rig. And that you monitored it with Smaart during the show to optimise it even further when the room was warming up is just so cool. Awesome work.
As someone that knows just a little about sound design this was a great watch and very easy to follow. Definitely gives someone an appreciation of how much work it takes to get great sound out of a performance and the issues that crop up when your just jamming more and bigger speakers into the show.
Fascinating journey through design, conception, implementation, and continued testing. With the small changes in delay times being such a significant factor, I'd imagine that sub positioning being precise down to the 1/4" was a critical component as well. Thanks for sharing!
Dave, this was far too entertaining to watch! I loved how you walked us through the process and showed us multiple factors that could have an effect on this design working as intended. Your videos are why I was able to mess around and get the best coverage I could in my spaces without having lots of bleed on the stage. Thank you again!
I enjoy how you explained this. I've read books about this before and you condensed dozens of hard-to-understand pages into an easy to understand 20 minute video - bravo!
This is really cool! When you introduced the temperature variable it blew my mind a bit. I mean I knew it was a factor but I did not realize it was so consistent as to be useful. Too cool Dave! :)
I was at this show. This video is an absolute gem for someone who not only loved his 360 shows, but a sound nerd as well. So cool to watch and learn! And I was in the riser seats and it was plenty loud!! It was awesome. Thank you for your hard work.
I found this interesting and absolutely astounding that such a small amount of delay made such a big difference. I am in the process of trying to tune the room that i mix in and looking to learn as much as i can from folks like yourself.
I was there in Birmingham 2015 and for NYE the next couple of years! That is so cool to see how the magic is done! Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication to the craft!!! Those Bassnectar shows were surely a sight to see. It is really a shame How some may abuse their fame to exploit others, but there's no question that those shows were a work of art
@raiden72 I haven't been following the basshead scene, but I do like some Bassnectar music. Can you give me the rundown on what you're referring to? Short or long answer, if any, works. Thanks in advance.
@@YourMomsFavoriteCommenter seems like a bunch of girls (some women technically) made obviously retarded decisions which they are now cashing in on with media hysteria and pretending like their choices were solely the product of manipulation, instead of actually owning up to their real mistakes from their ultimate self decision. Did they fall victim to their own obsessions? They took money for fucking a famous person, they probably bragged to their friends about it. Have you ever heard girls of that age group talk privately? Esp. ones that behave like that... Now they are taking money for insinuiating they were raped, which is pretty awful degredation to the term for people that have been. The human condition is in a state of dissarray. It's offensive to hear about this, thinking about the immense history of people, and all the terrible malpractice, and suddenly the tables are turned and the plebs are able to manipulate and generate benefits too. This is not an Epstein-like story. These people weren't trafficked, they weren't bred in captivity at a Mexican ranch. Teenagers aren't supposed to be allowed to make such character harming mistakes, they shouldn't be programmed to think they can get away with those mistakes, they shouldn't be allowed to wear them like this, it does nothing to limit this kind of dynamic in the future. Now all these fan girls will think they can get the story, get the cash, and win the lawsuit no worries, everyone will support their terrible decisions. Very selfish and sad. The moral of the story is don't be disgusting, it will have an impact. For Bassnector to lower himself to these impulsive situations due to a leverage many at his level have used forever, and for those girls to prostitute themselves, it's not a good move. Beatle-mania should have been a big red flag in hindsight. Widespread hysteria is unhealhty, everyone is targeted and it is needed from every individual to not fall victim by making good choices and carrying oneself in a considered and ethical way. It impacts everything not just our own little selves. A serious pity, and there's no room for empathy when people act up like this. Edit to add: this video was actually really cool, and linking to that Vice article really turned my mood reading about a bunch of idiots and their woe is me "I was only 21, like he had so much more life experience" - I doubt whether these fools can gather such a thing, given their inability to understand and control their motivations and actions at a grown age.. lol
Awesome video and very articulate explanation and visualization of sound cancellation from design to final product. I've engineered for a lot of DJs in small clubs who insist on insane monitoring SPLs, it's so interesting to see the work going into the solving the complete opposite problem! Understanding acoustics makes such a difference to what we do and your videos are a great source of knowledge.
I'd imagine it be so much fun, and amazing to see artists butting heads with engineers to create unique experiences together, amazing insight and a treasure for sharing
Insanely cool. Loved the walk through of the issues you faced and how you solved them, loved the visuals, loved the pictures!! I was at this show and the product of all that hard work was unreal. Thanks for your time and energy!!
I loved this! I remember going to that show as a aspiring PA nerd and freaking out when I saw the Anya's , was an absolute incredible show and seeing you break down the thought process behind it made it easily digestible. Thanks again and hope to see more, you are fueling dreams!
This is burning profession, i really like your videos and the fire that you have for the things that you're doing. It is always mind opening, thanks a lot
That was really fascinating. Admittedly I don't know all the physics but as someone who in my younger days spent a lot of time in DJ booths, with the resultant ear damage to prove it, I can appreciate the challenges involved and how more skilled engineers such as yourself should be consulted.
Oooh. An interesting case for machine learning. Real time analysis of temperature, humidity and level. Constantly adjusting delay while monitoring sound level to minimize level in the center while maintaining level in the outer ring. Machine learning (AI) doing micro adjustments in realtime and analyzing the results. Great format for the video. Helped me understand the difference between cardioid and end fire sub arrays. Keep up the good work!
Super cool Robert! Also you have access to loads of vids as a member. This has been a member only vid and am just releasing public. Check the member exclusive playlist, there are over 200 member only vids in there
Dave that’s always interesting to see and understand from you on these kind of sub setups, also cover few Venues with flown subs aiming down towards the audience area concept
Working with Lorin back in 2015 or so was pleasant and professional. Have not worked with him since but I'm not one to jump to conclusions or make assumptions as you may know from my tests and videos. Whatever he has or has not done to the best of my knowledge factual information is not available to us publicly at this point in time
@@DaveRat brother he admitted to it all and cancelled all his shows bc of it. He got charged with sex trafficking, pedophilia and a couple other things. It's extremely public lol. It's about the first thing that comes up when you google bassnectar
@@DaveRat I'm not sure about the progress on the lawsuit though. But yea it doesn't sit with the rave community and he's not gonna be able to make a comeback
Awesome the way you analyze sound! Truly out of the box thinking and cool how you pull it off everytime👍🏻👍🏻 Thank you for sharing that with us, it helps a lot🙏🏼
Good stuff, this kind of large complex installations with specific requirements make for interesting challenges. I like how you applied the principle of cancellation to shape the sound level in different areas. Add a controller with a thermal sensor to automate the delay adjustments for ultimate overenginerding. When you mentioned 136 dB I felt a slight panic and my ears started ringing...
Really dig how you flowed thru the conceptual dilemma to the potential solutions then thru to optimal solution and onto implementation. Classic trouble shooting, Step 1 / Step 2 / Step 3 / etc... Never, Ever, Skip a Step, amazing, thanks for the insights!!!
Very much enjoy this format. Thanks @DaveRat . This one hit home as I am in the Birmingham area and I have worked in this arena. In 2020 just at the onset of the COVID pandemic a remodel was started to update the BJCC arena. I was brought on temporarily by a contractor for the removal of the house PA gear. I had on rope experience and rappelling certs at the time. We removed all of the installed/flown speakers and subs. I had some great video of us swinging the EV subs from the upper ring of the arena and landing them on pallets on the arena floor. It is now the Legacy Arena and significantly nicer than back in 2015. Thanks again for committing your time for us who just want to learn more!
Perfect timing stumbling across this video soon after I had an issue with excessive bass at my previous show over the weekend, looks like I need to try a cardioid setup next time!
I have no buisness being here but I loved this. I got chills thinking about that final description you gave about being on the riser with all the energy around you but not feeling anything. Cool video!
This came up in my recommended videos and was surprised to learn all the small specifics of sound design and seeing how delay can actually lower volume 😮
I saw Ghost and Volbeat end of last year and it was the cleanest loudest concert I've ever experienced. The bass was shaking the concrete in the lower bowl but didn't over power and everything was perfectly clear.
I am just flabbergasted by how cool this is. Astonishing knowledge. I hope one day I'll be able to find myself in a situation where I'm able to do this. I need to learn how to do this on a smaller scale.
Dude is a mad genius. He definitely gives nectar shows the legs that other artists live sound doesnt match. This guy plus seth drake mastering really shows how much bassnectar was more than just lorin
Dave, a very interesting topic that you explained quite well. I like hearing how you to take care of these unique challenges. You ARE the guy! Thanks for sharing, too.
More of this please!! Going from theory to real world installation, with pictures was great. If I ever have access to that many subs, I now know there's some interesting ways to deploy them!
Thank you for blessing us with your knowledge, Dave. I’m not even a sound guy per say but I love the channel, and you work is incredible and ground breaking. Salute 🫡 👍🏽👏🏽
Man just stumbled across your work and I have to say it's awesome you put these videos out for us to learn from your extensive knowledge. I mean you've been doing probably longer than I've been alive or close to it. What I would do to be able to sit in on you working at a show
Great video Dave! Well explained and has a nice logical progression from problem to solution. I've never seen the temperature affect a cardioid subarray so drastically! And it's amazing that the theory worked out in practice so well, and that you were prepared to deal with the temp fluctuation. Bravo! Hats off to you sir. Always a pleasure watching your videos. Thank you.
Wonderful and thank you! What got me focused on temperature and it's possible effects was years ago mixing leads and reading festivals and they supplied the very first generation nexo cardioid subs. I tested out the sound system and all worked well during soundcheck but during the show I lost all of the low end and there were complaints that there was lots of low end in the production office behind stage. I put much thought into the possible cause of this and came up with a few potential causes with temperature being one of them. The other issue is non-linearities in the rear-firing out of polarity speakers.
If a set of speakers is set to null another set of speakers it is critical that both sets are driven at almost exactly the same power levels. Else, the voice could in the set driven harder will heat up faster and result in more power compression than the set driven less hard. This scenario will collapse the cancellation and can result in constantly changing significant shifts in the the coverages. Furthermore, non linearities in the peak response of drivers driven harder vs less hard can result in the lower level signals cancelling and the peaks not cancelling.
"caused his HDD to skip" Bro even back then EVERY MOBILE DJ IN THE BASS MUSIC KNEW you would need to upgrade to an SSD I was an IDIOT and lost my music collection like 3 times over before actually doing this myself ironically enough. VERY cool explanation; def subscribed for more!
The HDD was the back up that failed when the SSD failed but the biggest issue was his vision was blurred and could not see the computer screens. Everything was shutting down both electronic and human due to vibration
Excellent video. The amount of expertise is epic, figuring out changing temperatures, etc. Big league baseball players stay in the big leagues because they can hit the curveball. Dave sees the pitch before it comes out of the pitchers hand.
This was fantastic! I use cardioid sub setups as often as I can with EV ETX 18sp on-board DSP. Tweaking it and running around to hear what it sounds like everywhere is maddening and alot of legwork. I have always "walked the room" to discover and adjust the sound. I just need to embrace the tools that are already there to make this a more efficient and precise process. I need to invest in the proper gear to dial it in like you are doing.
Young audio engineer here, videos like this are incredible resources in practical problem solving. Explanations were very clear and concise, especially the little details of temperature change and how to keep levels consistent in spite of it. Great stuff!
Thank you!!
I liked this format Dave. Nice to see the journey from problem, to theoretical solution through to implementation
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All of his “tutorials “ are like this. He usually has some sort of “model situation “ set up on the computer, or with actual gear. His videos are crazy informative. He shows it all. And he has soooo much real world, cut your teeth knowledge on tour sound
Cool cool James, and Dover is a member of my channel as well. I do live zoom chats and post them and there are a few hundred more vids on the member side
Only thing that could have topped it off, was a short demo of the points in your conclusion here: 19:55
I've been pondering a setup that will demonstrate low frequency nulls in a desktop videotapable scenario.
That said, I am on to new adventures and need balance sharing stuff I already know and did vs stuff I enjoy figuring out and learning.
Your performance as a sound engineer is just as, if not more important than the performance of the actual musicians. Poetry in motion is an understatement! Thanks again Dave for sharing real world knowledge with us!
Fun and thank you! 🤙
I surely hope you mean is this instance specifically?
This guy is a good engineer i have no doubt and much respect! But the SE is around at all to make the musician translate in the room, or on record.
Im strawmannirg you because you probably meant this specific performance tho... which is very much materialsport music from what i gather, high and mighty as i am...
Hmmm, an artist can be defined many ways and one way is that an artist is someone who can transform ideas concepts, emotions or entities into a form that is more understandable or accessible to others.
Putting more or less weight on the various links in the chain is a very individual decision.
Beautiful architectural concepts are nothing without a master builder and a craftsman capable of fulfilling the build along with the mathletics of structural engineers to ensure feasibility and stability.
My heroes might not be the same as your heroes and you are no more or less correct than I in who we consider a true artist
@spejsat4505 no for any bullshit DJ who requires this dumbass decibel level. Perfect example of being louder is better, great for grooming high schoolers. Dave is the artist on this one, fuck bassnectar and fuck dipshit DJs with their heads stuck up their ass lmfao
As a non-engineer whos interested in spatial audio and the physicality of sound, its super interesting to see the software used for designing a sound space on this scale. I’d love to see more, especially nontraditional configurations or works with lots of low frequency in three dimensions.
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Very VERY cool stuff Dave. I was not present for this show you designed specifically but I was present for multiple other “360” shows Bassnectar put on and they were truly a magical experience provided by a one of a kind production. Standing anywhere in a 20-30,000 person stadium and it sounding as if you are up front is something wild. It’s amazing to see the technical application here having experienced it live as well. More stuff like this please!
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Love the timing of this video in my life right now. I’m at Rational Acoustics going through SMAART training and just set up cardioid subs for the first time yesterday. Walking around the pair of subs and hearing the rejection blew my mind. It’s one thing to know the theory, but the practical application made me giddy. I can only imagine what it must’ve been like to get on that stage and hear, or rather not hear it for the first time! Thanks Dave!
Fun and yes!
@@DaveRat can you liken it to being in the eye of the storm... the lull and peace, and yet you know outside the bass is raging... hahaha
It really was a surreal eye of the storm feel
I’m going through SMAART training also!
Good plan. Awesome software and important to know
That is interesting how seemingly small differences in time and temperature can have such a dramatic difference in the end result. Thanks for allowing us audio geeks a peek behind the scene.
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Holy crap, this is ANC on a whole other level! Using reverse-phased subs to improve quality of live for the DJ/performer is quite genious! 😎😎👍👍
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This was such a great video; I remember learning this in school. We did a small setup in a staging room and I will never forget how erie it was to be standing behind 1,000s of watts of subwoofers and almost all the sound was gone, but yet I could hear EVERYTHING shaking and vibrating intensely. I would have paid $100s to have experienced your setup. 🤩
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'The eye of the storm'
Seen Bassnectar over 100 times and this show was definitely top 5 in sound
Love that!!!
I totally would pay to have experienced this as well. Just amazing!
What a fascinating video! Seriously loved it! It was awesome seeing the prediction process being brought to life with the actual rig. And that you monitored it with Smaart during the show to optimise it even further when the room was warming up is just so cool. Awesome work.
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As someone that knows just a little about sound design this was a great watch and very easy to follow. Definitely gives someone an appreciation of how much work it takes to get great sound out of a performance and the issues that crop up when your just jamming more and bigger speakers into the show.
Wow, I have nothing to do with sound. But I could not stop learning from you, with ever increasing fascination. Thank you so much. 🙂
Genius! I now realized that sound cancellation can be that important, Ive always thought the louder the better. Thanks Dave!
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Fascinating journey through design, conception, implementation, and continued testing. With the small changes in delay times being such a significant factor, I'd imagine that sub positioning being precise down to the 1/4" was a critical component as well. Thanks for sharing!
Yes, position was critical and arcing the subs may have been even better but I reached what I believe to be the point of diminishing returns
Dave, this was far too entertaining to watch! I loved how you walked us through the process and showed us multiple factors that could have an effect on this design working as intended. Your videos are why I was able to mess around and get the best coverage I could in my spaces without having lots of bleed on the stage. Thank you again!
Awesome!!
I enjoy how you explained this. I've read books about this before and you condensed dozens of hard-to-understand pages into an easy to understand 20 minute video - bravo!
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This is really cool! When you introduced the temperature variable it blew my mind a bit. I mean I knew it was a factor but I did not realize it was so consistent as to be useful. Too cool Dave! :)
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I was at this show. This video is an absolute gem for someone who not only loved his 360 shows, but a sound nerd as well. So cool to watch and learn! And I was in the riser seats and it was plenty loud!! It was awesome. Thank you for your hard work.
Awesome and yeah that was a fun show
I found this interesting and absolutely astounding that such a small amount of delay made such a big difference. I am in the process of trying to tune the room that i mix in and looking to learn as much as i can from folks like yourself.
I love the systems engineering aspect of your channel. It's so cool getting to see things I have only hypothesized about being used in practice!
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This is so cool. i always wondered how technicians handled sound issues like these. Thank you for sharing stuff like this. What a cool job
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I was there in Birmingham 2015 and for NYE the next couple of years! That is so cool to see how the magic is done! Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication to the craft!!! Those Bassnectar shows were surely a sight to see. It is really a shame How some may abuse their fame to exploit others, but there's no question that those shows were a work of art
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@raiden72 I haven't been following the basshead scene, but I do like some Bassnectar music. Can you give me the rundown on what you're referring to? Short or long answer, if any, works. Thanks in advance.
@@YourMomsFavoriteCommenter i could not summarize it better than the vice article, "fall of Bassnectar"
@@YourMomsFavoriteCommenter seems like a bunch of girls (some women technically) made obviously retarded decisions which they are now cashing in on with media hysteria and pretending like their choices were solely the product of manipulation, instead of actually owning up to their real mistakes from their ultimate self decision. Did they fall victim to their own obsessions? They took money for fucking a famous person, they probably bragged to their friends about it. Have you ever heard girls of that age group talk privately? Esp. ones that behave like that... Now they are taking money for insinuiating they were raped, which is pretty awful degredation to the term for people that have been. The human condition is in a state of dissarray. It's offensive to hear about this, thinking about the immense history of people, and all the terrible malpractice, and suddenly the tables are turned and the plebs are able to manipulate and generate benefits too. This is not an Epstein-like story. These people weren't trafficked, they weren't bred in captivity at a Mexican ranch. Teenagers aren't supposed to be allowed to make such character harming mistakes, they shouldn't be programmed to think they can get away with those mistakes, they shouldn't be allowed to wear them like this, it does nothing to limit this kind of dynamic in the future. Now all these fan girls will think they can get the story, get the cash, and win the lawsuit no worries, everyone will support their terrible decisions. Very selfish and sad. The moral of the story is don't be disgusting, it will have an impact. For Bassnector to lower himself to these impulsive situations due to a leverage many at his level have used forever, and for those girls to prostitute themselves, it's not a good move. Beatle-mania should have been a big red flag in hindsight. Widespread hysteria is unhealhty, everyone is targeted and it is needed from every individual to not fall victim by making good choices and carrying oneself in a considered and ethical way. It impacts everything not just our own little selves. A serious pity, and there's no room for empathy when people act up like this.
Edit to add: this video was actually really cool, and linking to that Vice article really turned my mood reading about a bunch of idiots and their woe is me "I was only 21, like he had so much more life experience" - I doubt whether these fools can gather such a thing, given their inability to understand and control their motivations and actions at a grown age.. lol
Dave I truly wish there could be people like you teaching as leaders in our school’s. You’re way of sharing is appreciated. Thank you
So cool and thank you!!
Thank you! This was the best thing I've seen for I don't know how long! More xtra detail-y stuff would be much appreciated indeed.😊
Awesome video and very articulate explanation and visualization of sound cancellation from design to final product. I've engineered for a lot of DJs in small clubs who insist on insane monitoring SPLs, it's so interesting to see the work going into the solving the complete opposite problem! Understanding acoustics makes such a difference to what we do and your videos are a great source of knowledge.
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I'd imagine it be so much fun, and amazing to see artists butting heads with engineers to create unique experiences together, amazing insight and a treasure for sharing
It was not butting heads, I was brought in as a specialist to solve an extreme and complex challenge. I love this stuff!
@@DaveRat i think i might have used the wrong words haha, i meant colaborating
Yes and perfect
"Putting their heads together" means collaborating, but "butting heads" means not agreeing. They sound very similar, but are in fact opposites heh. ;)
Insanely cool. Loved the walk through of the issues you faced and how you solved them, loved the visuals, loved the pictures!! I was at this show and the product of all that hard work was unreal. Thanks for your time and energy!!
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I loved this! I remember going to that show as a aspiring PA nerd and freaking out when I saw the Anya's , was an absolute incredible show and seeing you break down the thought process behind it made it easily digestible. Thanks again and hope to see more, you are fueling dreams!
Cool cool Lucas!!
This is burning profession, i really like your videos and the fire that you have for the things that you're doing. It is always mind opening, thanks a lot
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That was really fascinating. Admittedly I don't know all the physics but as someone who in my younger days spent a lot of time in DJ booths, with the resultant ear damage to prove it, I can appreciate the challenges involved and how more skilled engineers such as yourself should be consulted.
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This show was my first 360. I was on the floor, show was absolutely insane.
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WOW WOW WOW thats amazing! my jaw DROPPED when the center went black. incredible work dave
Fun!
Oooh. An interesting case for machine learning. Real time analysis of temperature, humidity and level. Constantly adjusting delay while monitoring sound level to minimize level in the center while maintaining level in the outer ring. Machine learning (AI) doing micro adjustments in realtime and analyzing the results.
Great format for the video. Helped me understand the difference between cardioid and end fire sub arrays. Keep up the good work!
Super cool Robert! Also you have access to loads of vids as a member. This has been a member only vid and am just releasing public. Check the member exclusive playlist, there are over 200 member only vids in there
You don't need AI, it's just calculus man (or experience!). Don't replace Dave with robots!
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incredible work
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Thank you for posting this video! It's incredibly fascinating to hear all the challenges that you and your team had to overcome.
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Wow, I still remember how amazing the Birmingham show was. Thank you for helping to create such an unforgettable experience.
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Dave that’s always interesting to see and understand from you on these kind of sub setups, also cover few Venues with flown subs aiming down towards the audience area concept
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I was at that show and I saw Bassnectar over 100 times from 09-2015 and this show was definitely top 5 in sound quality
Awesome!!!
After bassnectar cancelled himself for sexual abuse did you jump on the excision train as a substitute? Lolll
Working with Lorin back in 2015 or so was pleasant and professional. Have not worked with him since but I'm not one to jump to conclusions or make assumptions as you may know from my tests and videos.
Whatever he has or has not done to the best of my knowledge factual information is not available to us publicly at this point in time
@@DaveRat brother he admitted to it all and cancelled all his shows bc of it. He got charged with sex trafficking, pedophilia and a couple other things. It's extremely public lol. It's about the first thing that comes up when you google bassnectar
@@DaveRat I'm not sure about the progress on the lawsuit though. But yea it doesn't sit with the rave community and he's not gonna be able to make a comeback
Awesome the way you analyze sound! Truly out of the box thinking and cool how you pull it off everytime👍🏻👍🏻 Thank you for sharing that with us, it helps a lot🙏🏼
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Having pros that are willing to teach the public their craft is so great. Loved this presentation and learning more about arena sound design!
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Good stuff, this kind of large complex installations with specific requirements make for interesting challenges. I like how you applied the principle of cancellation to shape the sound level in different areas. Add a controller with a thermal sensor to automate the delay adjustments for ultimate overenginerding. When you mentioned 136 dB I felt a slight panic and my ears started ringing...
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Great insight Dave! Can I have you sitting by me in my classes for audio engineering live & acoustics? 😉👍🏻
Oh my, I did not do so great in school, I get too distracted
Really dig how you flowed thru the conceptual dilemma to the potential solutions then thru to optimal solution and onto implementation.
Classic trouble shooting, Step 1 / Step 2 / Step 3 / etc... Never, Ever, Skip a Step, amazing, thanks for the insights!!!
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Absolutely love this format
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Very much enjoy this format. Thanks @DaveRat . This one hit home as I am in the Birmingham area and I have worked in this arena. In 2020 just at the onset of the COVID pandemic a remodel was started to update the BJCC arena. I was brought on temporarily by a contractor for the removal of the house PA gear. I had on rope experience and rappelling certs at the time. We removed all of the installed/flown speakers and subs. I had some great video of us swinging the EV subs from the upper ring of the arena and landing them on pallets on the arena floor. It is now the Legacy Arena and significantly nicer than back in 2015. Thanks again for committing your time for us who just want to learn more!
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the universe entered my brain and gave me this video. amazing, thank you, on a spiritual level.
Admirable Work.
Thank YOU!!
Perfect timing stumbling across this video soon after I had an issue with excessive bass at my previous show over the weekend, looks like I need to try a cardioid setup next time!
You are a wizard 🧙 of sound, Dave! Love this solution and super impressed with the implementation and monitoring/adjustment of the real time data.
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This is the coolest, most practically informative audio channel I've ever seen. Thank you Dave.
So cool and thank you!
I love this so much! I tried to explain this to a dj once. This explanation is perfection. Thank you.
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Subwoofers and room acoustics are exactly what I need to hear about, thanks!
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Thanks Dave - I always learn new things every time I get a chance to watch your videos, thank you!
Thank you!!!
I have no buisness being here but I loved this. I got chills thinking about that final description you gave about being on the riser with all the energy around you but not feeling anything. Cool video!
Wonderful and thank you for hanging out!
This is the coolest CZcams video I’ve seen in ages!
Awesome!
You're a wizard man! Thank you for this video and for designing the 360 experience 🤘 these shows were nuts
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Bassnectar 360 was my first live show, phenomenal experience! Thanks for the explanation on how you protected our main man Lauren 😁
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Shure I like this format. Very interesting and your explanation is very informative.Thank you so much for sharing those kind of experiences.
Thank you
Can't tell you how insightful this was.
This format worked great.👍
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This came up in my recommended videos and was surprised to learn all the small specifics of sound design and seeing how delay can actually lower volume 😮
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Class is in session! A brilliant way to solve a problem explained with ease. 🤘
Awesome and thank you!
I saw Ghost and Volbeat end of last year and it was the cleanest loudest concert I've ever experienced. The bass was shaking the concrete in the lower bowl but didn't over power and everything was perfectly clear.
🤙👍🤙 the way all shows should be
What an INCREDIBLE art!
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I was at this show. Can confirm sound was on point
Hell yes!!!
It was a show i will never forget
Love that!!
I am just flabbergasted by how cool this is. Astonishing knowledge. I hope one day I'll be able to find myself in a situation where I'm able to do this.
I need to learn how to do this on a smaller scale.
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Great video! I'd love to see more about your personal experiences on the road, stories, you know, the juicy stuff :) Thanks for this!
🤙👍 cool, will try some more of that
I love this video, I can’t wait to try the sound cancellation myself. Please continue making videos like this!
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Omg you make a shockwave. This is amazing! Thank you for sharing this
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Dude is a mad genius. He definitely gives nectar shows the legs that other artists live sound doesnt match. This guy plus seth drake mastering really shows how much bassnectar was more than just lorin
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Dave, a very interesting topic that you explained quite well. I like hearing how you to take care of these unique challenges. You ARE the guy! Thanks for sharing, too.
So cool thank you Christopher!
More of this please!! Going from theory to real world installation, with pictures was great. If I ever have access to that many subs, I now know there's some interesting ways to deploy them!
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This video is incredible, and it's made me realize that I'd love to learn more and possibly try to do this for a living.
That is awesome!
I've never enjoyed a 20 minute video on youtube so much. this stuff is so fascinating.
Thank you and honored!
Thanks for sharing this. Love the technical stuff.
Dave, every now and then I see a video that I wish I could give a 10x like to. This is it for me. Thank you so much!
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I live in Birmingham and have never seen this type PA application at the BJCC.UNREAL. Great Job Sir!!
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Thanks Dave for sharing this priceless "on field" info!!!
Awesome to see this behind the scenes, takes me back to my physics of sound course!
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Always a pleasure to watch your videos! Thank you for providing the information!!
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Thank you for blessing us with your knowledge, Dave. I’m not even a sound guy per say but I love the channel, and you work is incredible and ground breaking. Salute 🫡 👍🏽👏🏽
So cool and thank you Brandon
Man just stumbled across your work and I have to say it's awesome you put these videos out for us to learn from your extensive knowledge. I mean you've been doing probably longer than I've been alive or close to it. What I would do to be able to sit in on you working at a show
Excellent stuff Dave! Keep em coming! 💪
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Yes please! Really enjoyed this video. I love these irregular sub arrays.
Cool cool Kenzie and will do?
This was awesome. I really appreciate all the explanations and thought processes being laid out. Thank you for your time and the video!
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Your a freaking genius when it comes to sound and how it travels I never realize how much goes in to setting up a show for sound quite amazing honesty
Thank you!!
@@DaveRat yes sir your the one who makes the whole show a show lol
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This was amazing Dave! Great story!
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This was extremely interesting I love how sound design bleeds into physics
Me as well!!
Love this format!!
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Great video Dave! Well explained and has a nice logical progression from problem to solution. I've never seen the temperature affect a cardioid subarray so drastically! And it's amazing that the theory worked out in practice so well, and that you were prepared to deal with the temp fluctuation. Bravo! Hats off to you sir. Always a pleasure watching your videos. Thank you.
Wonderful and thank you!
What got me focused on temperature and it's possible effects was years ago mixing leads and reading festivals and they supplied the very first generation nexo cardioid subs.
I tested out the sound system and all worked well during soundcheck but during the show I lost all of the low end and there were complaints that there was lots of low end in the production office behind stage.
I put much thought into the possible cause of this and came up with a few potential causes with temperature being one of them.
The other issue is non-linearities in the rear-firing out of polarity speakers.
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Nonlinearities in the nulling subs?
If a set of speakers is set to null another set of speakers it is critical that both sets are driven at almost exactly the same power levels.
Else, the voice could in the set driven harder will heat up faster and result in more power compression than the set driven less hard.
This scenario will collapse the cancellation and can result in constantly changing significant shifts in the the coverages.
Furthermore, non linearities in the peak response of drivers driven harder vs less hard can result in the lower level signals cancelling and the peaks not cancelling.
"caused his HDD to skip"
Bro even back then EVERY MOBILE DJ IN THE BASS MUSIC KNEW you would need to upgrade to an SSD
I was an IDIOT and lost my music collection like 3 times over before actually doing this myself ironically enough.
VERY cool explanation; def subscribed for more!
The HDD was the back up that failed when the SSD failed but the biggest issue was his vision was blurred and could not see the computer screens. Everything was shutting down both electronic and human due to vibration
Sick video brother. That show sounded fantastic that year.
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Great to have an EDM/electronic music oriented thoughts process and solution. Thank you.
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Great video. Love this problem and solution. Thank you for sharing. That phase cancelation trick is genius
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Dave, you're just the coolest sound human. Such a wealth of knowledge and passion for sharing it with the world. I love you, man
P. S. This format is great. Please continue!
Awesome and. Thank you Josh!
These 360 nectar shows were Wild
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Not sure why the CZcams algorithm recommended me this video, but I’m so glad I watched! Really informative and interesting.
Awesome and great to meet ya Andrew
Very cool to see behind the scenes from one of the best shows I've ever been to!
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Great work and explanation of how to get sound where you want it to be and also where you don't.
Thanks for sharing this.
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Excellent video. The amount of expertise is epic, figuring out changing temperatures, etc.
Big league baseball players stay in the big leagues because they can hit the curveball. Dave sees the pitch before it comes out of the pitchers hand.
Honored and thank you
This was fantastic!
I use cardioid sub setups as often as I can with EV ETX 18sp on-board DSP. Tweaking it and running around to hear what it sounds like everywhere is maddening and alot of legwork. I have always "walked the room" to discover and adjust the sound. I just need to embrace the tools that are already there to make this a more efficient and precise process.
I need to invest in the proper gear to dial it in like you are doing.
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