Great lesson Jay! I switched to matched when I started studying with you in TDA. Since my grip in my right hand was bad I thought it made sense to go to matched. The only disadvantage I’ve found to matched is when I want to do cross stick on the snare. No time to switch to use the butt of the stick on the snare rim, but I haven’t found it affects the sound any.
Great video, Jay. Agree on all points. It's funny it's even called 'traditional' grip; drums have been around for thousands of years, and the earliest pictures of drummers using sticks are in matched grip, from what I’ve seen-a long time before the problem traditional grip solved, i.e., having a drum swinging off you, which it isn’t sitting at a kit. 😂
I totally agree - the best grip for you is going to be the one you’ve put the most time in. I started drumming with a very clear intention of becoming a rock drummer. So there was no reason for me to even try learning the traditional grip. So I didn’t. And now, years later, even if by some miracle I decided to switch to jazz (highly unlikely, but hypothetically), I’d still try to make it work with the only thing I know how to do - the matched grip. Would it work? I don’t know. Probably. To some degree.
I practice both grips as much as I can. Some exercises feel better in traditional and others feel better in matched. I also have my snare tilted to compliment traditional more
GREAT video/lesson, Jay! I agree with everything you said here. When I taught private students I never promoted traditional grip even though that is my most comfortable and most technically proficient grip. But I believe in letting people pick up the sticks in the most natural way that will get them playing faster. I started with trad grip because that's what my first teacher taught, AND because my goal was to play in the High School marching band with the drum on a traditional sling - so that was not even a question. But when I started playing multiple toms and heavier rock/pop grooves then matched grip just made more sense for facility and POWER! Besides, I went to music school and played matched on timpani and marimba, so when I decided to practice matched grip it came pretty easily. But ... after 60+ years as a drumming pro, even tho I play both ways depending on the song (the style often dictates the grip for me), with the big band and my jazz group, I still gravitate to the good old traditional grip that is "home" for me. Keep up the good work and keep on passing on your immense knowledge and wisdom to those who are learning the craft, and thanks for inspiring us old timers to keep on thinking and learning! Your friend from Ohio, John!
Make's a lot of sense to me. This started to become clear to me back when I learned the origin of trad grip, as a compensation for tilted marching drums back in the day, that there was nothing magic about trad. More power to amazing trad players, but that's not why they are amazing.
"I would just find it in a straight position" is doing a helluva lot of work there. And I see we've exited the "no one in the audience can a/b the difference anyway" motte and are back to the "there is no sound you can create in traditional grip that you cannot create in matched grip" bailey.
You can absolutely a/b it… just listen to Jazz drummers who play match grip… and just listen. Will Kennedy, Gary Novak, Mark Guiliana, Bill Stewart, Billy Cobham, Benny Greb… if you listen to them in a straight ahead situation, sure they each have their own styles, but they can be just as delicate as their traditional mutuals. In other words, I don’t think anyway could tell that they’re playing “match group” just by listening. And that goes the other way too. Listen to Vinnie Colaiuta or Todd Zuckerman play a backbeat… you couldn’t tell if they were using traditional grip just by listening. Because the grip changes how it feels to the drummer, not how it sounds to the listener.
@@jaygee8566 nope… you can a/b it by listening to different players at a similar level of mastery playing the same style. 😉 I think I clearly stated that, no? I even gave examples of such drummers.
@@jaygee8566 what it sounds to me… is since you can’t make a good argument against what I am saying in this video, you’re hanging you hat on semantics.
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Great lesson Jay! I switched to matched when I started studying with you in TDA. Since my grip in my right hand was bad I thought it made sense to go to matched. The only disadvantage I’ve found to matched is when I want to do cross stick on the snare. No time to switch to use the butt of the stick on the snare rim, but I haven’t found it affects the sound any.
Great lesson for any new drummer!💗
Great video, Jay. Agree on all points. It's funny it's even called 'traditional' grip; drums have been around for thousands of years, and the earliest pictures of drummers using sticks are in matched grip, from what I’ve seen-a long time before the problem traditional grip solved, i.e., having a drum swinging off you, which it isn’t sitting at a kit. 😂
I totally agree - the best grip for you is going to be the one you’ve put the most time in. I started drumming with a very clear intention of becoming a rock drummer. So there was no reason for me to even try learning the traditional grip. So I didn’t. And now, years later, even if by some miracle I decided to switch to jazz (highly unlikely, but hypothetically), I’d still try to make it work with the only thing I know how to do - the matched grip. Would it work? I don’t know. Probably. To some degree.
I practice both grips as much as I can. Some exercises feel better in traditional and others feel better in matched. I also have my snare tilted to compliment traditional more
GREAT video/lesson, Jay! I agree with everything you said here. When I taught private students I never promoted traditional grip even though that is my most comfortable and most technically proficient grip. But I believe in letting people pick up the sticks in the most natural way that will get them playing faster. I started with trad grip because that's what my first teacher taught, AND because my goal was to play in the High School marching band with the drum on a traditional sling - so that was not even a question. But when I started playing multiple toms and heavier rock/pop grooves then matched grip just made more sense for facility and POWER! Besides, I went to music school and played matched on timpani and marimba, so when I decided to practice matched grip it came pretty easily. But ... after 60+ years as a drumming pro, even tho I play both ways depending on the song (the style often dictates the grip for me), with the big band and my jazz group, I still gravitate to the good old traditional grip that is "home" for me. Keep up the good work and keep on passing on your immense knowledge and wisdom to those who are learning the craft, and thanks for inspiring us old timers to keep on thinking and learning! Your friend from Ohio, John!
Make's a lot of sense to me. This started to become clear to me back when I learned the origin of trad grip, as a compensation for tilted marching drums back in the day, that there was nothing magic about trad. More power to amazing trad players, but that's not why they are amazing.
i play both but learned marching band style
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"I would just find it in a straight position" is doing a helluva lot of work there. And I see we've exited the "no one in the audience can a/b the difference anyway" motte and are back to the "there is no sound you can create in traditional grip that you cannot create in matched grip" bailey.
You can absolutely a/b it… just listen to Jazz drummers who play match grip… and just listen. Will Kennedy, Gary Novak, Mark Guiliana, Bill Stewart, Billy Cobham, Benny Greb… if you listen to them in a straight ahead situation, sure they each have their own styles, but they can be just as delicate as their traditional mutuals. In other words, I don’t think anyway could tell that they’re playing “match group” just by listening. And that goes the other way too. Listen to Vinnie Colaiuta or Todd Zuckerman play a backbeat… you couldn’t tell if they were using traditional grip just by listening. Because the grip changes how it feels to the drummer, not how it sounds to the listener.
@@Thedrummersalmanac Typo? You say "You can absolutely a/b it," and then go on to argue the opposite?
@@jaygee8566 nope… you can a/b it by listening to different players at a similar level of mastery playing the same style. 😉 I think I clearly stated that, no? I even gave examples of such drummers.
@@Thedrummersalmanac Just to make sure we're on the same page here... what does a/b mean to you?
@@jaygee8566 what it sounds to me… is since you can’t make a good argument against what I am saying in this video, you’re hanging you hat on semantics.