European Championships 1994: Jean Michel Saive-Jan Ove Waldner

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    European Championships 1994: Jean Michel Saive (BEL) vs. Jan Ove Waldner (SWE)
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  • @Furansowakun
    @Furansowakun Před 7 lety +13

    What a great game !! Probably the best level of Jean-Michel Saive in his career.
    Super partie, un niveau hallucinant. Probablement le niveau le plus élevé dans la carrière de Jean-Michel Saive.

  • @andreialexandruparfeni7129
    @andreialexandruparfeni7129 Před 7 lety +13

    Great match. Saive played like a penholder, attacking with his forehand from everywhere, while Waldner was often forced to defend. While it's obvious that Waldner's injury was important, it does not take away anything from Saive's amazing win (the best match he has ever played).

  • @thevicegod4393
    @thevicegod4393 Před 2 lety +3

    No kidding these two are legends

  • @sagatisbeast
    @sagatisbeast Před 8 lety +17

    This was an amazing match, wow..

    • @Galimah
      @Galimah Před 8 lety +6

      it was... when watching matches like this i get so angry that ittf changed game the forever please bring back speedglue and 38mm balls

    • @sagatisbeast
      @sagatisbeast Před 8 lety +1

      +Galimah agreed brother.

    • @forzatuner3916
      @forzatuner3916 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Galimah Agreed.

  • @Bravilor
    @Bravilor Před 7 měsíci +1

    The commentary: "Yes!" "Good!" "Well done!" "Well played!" "Wow!" "Great!"

  • @aduschek
    @aduschek Před 8 lety +6

    Best tabletennis in history and for ever.....

    • @kuchikibyakuya7697
      @kuchikibyakuya7697 Před 3 lety

      Ml vs fzd is more interesting.

    • @dickn.ormous1064
      @dickn.ormous1064 Před 3 lety

      ​@@kuchikibyakuya7697 ML vs FZD mostly consists of banana flicks and tons of errors.FZD has one of the ugliest styles ever with all that squatting.

    • @kuchikibyakuya7697
      @kuchikibyakuya7697 Před 3 lety

      @@dickn.ormous1064 lol. Your name define your attitude. Ml and fzd can beat these two easily.

  • @DuchDoby
    @DuchDoby Před 12 lety +1

    I just love these old school matches with legends of the sport...Thx!

  • @ck-wg2hm
    @ck-wg2hm Před měsícem

    JO has got beside his smooth technics the most brutal smash ever.

  • @watsonzou3059
    @watsonzou3059 Před 11 lety +1

    the best table tennis video i ever watched....thx for uploading.

  • @hangintree33
    @hangintree33 Před 8 lety +2

    greatest time in TT!

  • @magnussturesson1722
    @magnussturesson1722 Před 6 lety +2

    Beat or be beaten! One of the most entertaining encounters ever. It contains just about everything you possibly can expect or imagine from a good match. The ruse at 3:59 with a sudden and unexpected change of pace is the kind of behaviour you rarely see anyone else but Waldner or Roger Federer perform.

  • @ChessArmyCommander
    @ChessArmyCommander Před 4 lety +2

    I like how the old 38mm ball had more variation or variety. Due to it having a lot more spin.

  • @theBlaechen
    @theBlaechen Před 12 lety

    what a match!! thanks for posting this amazing match :)

  • @74persson
    @74persson Před 3 lety +2

    What a match Waldner played very good i think but Saive played unbelivable here like a machine and i say this as a Swede.

  • @ChessArmyCommander
    @ChessArmyCommander Před 6 lety +2

    Saive was a topspin madman back in the day!

  • @janus770
    @janus770 Před 12 lety

    Great find!! Amazing Match!! Thanks a lot my friend!!! :)

  • @TTAlphaRSM
    @TTAlphaRSM Před 12 lety

    ttposter beautiful work, was a great game, it's very rare to see old videos like this in good quality Congratulations

  • @_HAS_X
    @_HAS_X Před 6 lety +2

    Jean Michel Saive - Great player, legend! And Jan Ove Waldner too, block-master

  • @druidzown
    @druidzown Před 12 lety +1

    6:55 just wow. Never seen JM Saive play like this. Wonderful upload, many thanks!

  • @suysing
    @suysing Před 3 lety

    La vitesse de la fin d'échange 6:47.... puissant !
    Superbe match, merci

  • @olaniyi570
    @olaniyi570 Před 10 lety +16

    I have the uncut version. Waldner injured his finger in the 2nd or 3rd game and had to have it iced. Not saying that Saive wouldn't have won anyway but if one sees the entire video it's apparent that the injury affected Waldner's game.

    • @krzysztoflaskowski6110
      @krzysztoflaskowski6110 Před 3 lety +2

      Thats what i hace been thinking since it happened back then.
      Waldi has never ever even mentioned it publicly how bad it has affected him ...He is such a great sportsman
      After that cut, he clearly struggled with his grip until the end, and as you said, its difficult to say if he would have won it if it hasnt happened, judging by the opening 10 points, where Saive moved to 8-2 lead and Janne still managed to come back and win that game clearly indicates that he was capable of winning that match if that unlucky cut has not happened.
      Take care mate 🙂

  • @watsonzou3059
    @watsonzou3059 Před 11 lety

    wow, that surprises me alot! still no. 1 player.... love Saive so much when i was in university, remind me of school times, amazing!

  • @Metagalaktik
    @Metagalaktik Před 7 lety +5

    Saive - best tt player ever!!!

  • @vidyutharni6151
    @vidyutharni6151 Před 4 lety

    Great match from the good ol days !

  • @bachforelle11
    @bachforelle11 Před 11 lety

    so great to see a tt match from the year of my birth :)

  • @SanJyuuKyuu
    @SanJyuuKyuu Před 12 lety

    This angle is great !

  • @ChesterRGC
    @ChesterRGC Před 5 lety

    great match and i love Saive since that video of The best table tennis match of history

  • @KhalilMGebara
    @KhalilMGebara Před 11 lety +5

    Speed glue, 38mm balls, cool curves.
    Epic days, epic match.

  • @Hristijan195
    @Hristijan195 Před 12 lety

    Great match !

  • @kedenz
    @kedenz Před 4 lety

    Nice footwork from Saive. Great match.

  • @lillbrorsan
    @lillbrorsan Před 12 lety

    Really nice match =D

  • @duckhere23
    @duckhere23 Před 6 lety

    2 big legends 💣

  • @SuperChessboy
    @SuperChessboy Před 12 lety

    Great match, and great play by Jean-Michel Saive.
    I really think the upgrade of the ball size has changed many things, watching this match and the style of Ma long f.e.

  • @GeorgiusTSK
    @GeorgiusTSK Před 11 lety +1

    Waldner is really good!

  • @lumm71
    @lumm71 Před 12 lety +2

    Wow! Saive destroyed Waldner. Great match. Thanks!

    • @gr637
      @gr637 Před 3 lety

      It was Saive who did all the running.

  • @wangbin318
    @wangbin318 Před 12 lety

    legend forever!!!

  • @Galimah
    @Galimah Před 3 lety

    very different from today. these guys could crack balls from the hips. speed ---> spin.

  • @watsonzou3059
    @watsonzou3059 Před 11 lety +6

    Absolutely! it's epic! i never seen so amazing match again since 11points game.
    11 points game make table tennis ugly.......

    • @krzysztoflaskowski6110
      @krzysztoflaskowski6110 Před 3 lety

      U are right, i add more, i think 40mm ball killed table tennis
      Its all about power now
      Spin control of the ball was crucial before
      Now its all about power and speed

  • @martialdramaix7701
    @martialdramaix7701 Před 2 lety +1

    Waldner, the only European player who won against Chinese players, Saive, the only player who won against Waldner 😀

  • @Fontsman
    @Fontsman Před 4 lety +2

    Waldy injured his index finger and it was definitely bothering him. Also he was too passive and allowed Saive to get the first attack too often.

  • @SuperHammaren
    @SuperHammaren Před 8 lety +5

    Is this the final when Waldner was playing with a injured finger? It was a handicap for him if I recall correctly.

  • @jimcrow85
    @jimcrow85 Před 4 lety

    Saive puro corazón!!!

  • @evgeniy_moscow_gooner
    @evgeniy_moscow_gooner Před 9 lety +21

    I'd like the 38 mm ball to be returned. It's uncomparably faster than the new ploy ball.

    • @olaniyi570
      @olaniyi570 Před 8 lety +4

      i don't like the new poly balls. what's next, full sized tennis balls?

    • @matonatomic
      @matonatomic Před 7 lety +1

      The reason why they changed was because the ball too fast and too small for TV cameras to pick it up, you know didn't have HD and 4K TV's back then...

    • @Furansowakun
      @Furansowakun Před 7 lety +1

      Me I prefer the news plastic balls.

    • @krzysztoflaskowski6110
      @krzysztoflaskowski6110 Před 3 lety +3

      38 mm ball was all about the speed and precision
      40 mm ball is all about power

    • @paulbismuth10
      @paulbismuth10 Před 3 lety +1

      I have nothing against the 40mm ball, on the other end i am still not sold on the new polly ball, but spectacle is still here the real downside is the standardisation of the styles ( less choppers and feeling style players).

  • @tjbanville
    @tjbanville Před 4 lety +1

    The thing that really jumps out to me is the pronounced forward swinging motion of Saive and to a lesser extent Waldner. Huge hip rotation and turning of the trunk. Compare it to the way Boll swings (the racket ends above his eyes), and most European players after him. Huge difference. What you see here is a much more aggressive style-it's far easier to play forehand over the table in the first 5 balls. And this at a time when attacking serves+receives was much more difficult, with hidden motions and a spinnier ball. Something to think about.

    • @dickn.ormous1064
      @dickn.ormous1064 Před rokem +2

      Saive had the best forehand when attacking short balls on the table but overall Waldner had better forehand technique.For example Saive had poor results against choppers 'cause his forehand against chop was played only with the arm.Also Waldner could utilize a much greater variety of stances whereas you'll never see any foreward momentum from Saive when pivoting.

  • @Furansowakun
    @Furansowakun Před 4 lety

    3:06 Magnifique

  • @HaZeEurope91
    @HaZeEurope91 Před 12 lety

    Saive the warrior!

  • @yogistyle92
    @yogistyle92 Před 12 lety

    Since what year did they switch from 38mm to 40mm balls?

  • @kurintoSmash
    @kurintoSmash Před 12 lety

    Oh! Still on LIVE!
    - Welcome to the Past! lol!

  • @TTPoster
    @TTPoster  Před 12 lety

    No problem Kostas! :-)

  • @SavageJimbo
    @SavageJimbo Před 7 měsíci

    0:03 0:25 0:49 1:26 2:22 4:57 (continued)

  • @kalpanapatil9126
    @kalpanapatil9126 Před 4 lety

    2:22 !!! Wow

  • @Detherocable
    @Detherocable Před 11 lety

    waldner actually got a set the way saive was playing...

  • @mahmooddr
    @mahmooddr Před 11 lety +1

    How could they control this speed?
    The ball catapults extremely fast....Look!

  • @matheusgilbert3945
    @matheusgilbert3945 Před 8 lety

    was the table bigger ? the net also seems to be shorter...

    • @Ilestun
      @Ilestun Před 8 lety

      +Matheus Bilik Nope table wasnt bigger and net wasnt shorter. At this time it was recorded in 4:3, and this video is 16:9.....thats why it gives this false impression to you.

    • @matheusgilbert3945
      @matheusgilbert3945 Před 8 lety +1

      Ilestun oh ok, thank you

    • @Ilestun
      @Ilestun Před 8 lety +1

      38MM celuloid balls, speed glue.

  • @sethhill7310
    @sethhill7310 Před 6 lety +1

    would wanlder be number one if he play today

    • @nicklasandersson5606
      @nicklasandersson5606 Před 5 lety +1

      Yes,he would have very fun with todays stupid robots.

    • @CWZ1116
      @CWZ1116 Před 4 lety

      @@nicklasandersson5606 All top Chinese players can defeat Waldner easily.

  • @PrinceArt77
    @PrinceArt77 Před 11 lety +1

    38mm balls are freaking fasttttt

    • @matonatomic
      @matonatomic Před 7 lety

      Yes, but how much faster were Waldner's blocks?

  • @TTCyger
    @TTCyger Před 12 lety

    so many lucky shots from saive. Shots like this he never played before or after this

  • @kampunggaming8568
    @kampunggaming8568 Před 2 lety

    6:55

  • @SanJyuuKyuu
    @SanJyuuKyuu Před 12 lety

    6:48 " Get the hell out, Wald !"

  • @user-hf5hx8po7o
    @user-hf5hx8po7o Před 5 lety

    0:07 逆突かれてブロックじゃなくて逆突かれてワルドナーブロックは反則やって

  • @petercao7847
    @petercao7847 Před 7 lety +1

    Europe used to have lots of very great players. What is wrong with table tennis in Europe now?

    • @matonatomic
      @matonatomic Před 7 lety +3

      Nothing really. it's just there's 1+ billion people in China, and TT is their national sport - so bigger pool of talent. Europe as well as other counties love football too much.

    • @andreialexandruparfeni7129
      @andreialexandruparfeni7129 Před 7 lety +3

      Equipment changed. Now, to be a top player, you have to be very good at attacking the ball, and the Chinese adapted very well.

  • @Fontsman
    @Fontsman Před 6 lety

    Waldy injured his finger and it definitely affected his play.

  • @gr637
    @gr637 Před 3 lety +1

    Well done Saive for winning, but Waldner controlled the match and was on another level. Waldner made Saive run a marathon in this match.

  • @PrinceArt77
    @PrinceArt77 Před 11 lety

    hehe...at 5:30 did i hear waldner say "cho"

  • @ChessArmyCommander
    @ChessArmyCommander Před 6 lety +1

    The 38mm ball was a little bit too small. The new 40mm ball is perfect. Although I do like the 21 point games though. And getting to serve five times in a row. You got time to get into a rhythm while serving. Not saying the new system is bad or anything. I like it. But I know people who were great servers of the ball and are not able to play as strong with the new shorter games and only being able to serve two times.

  • @ll3yWanTeD
    @ll3yWanTeD Před 11 lety

    Lol the year i had born

  • @tim99291
    @tim99291 Před 6 lety +3

    The referee called him Sa-eeve. Sad you cannot pronounce a world nr 1's name even remotely proper as a referee in an European Champs final!

  • @alexs19721
    @alexs19721 Před 11 lety

    Waldner played well but the finger was bothering him..agreed?

  • @stefanandreaschilla172

    Das war noch Tischtennis, mit den 38 mm Bällen. Mit den heutigen 40 mm Bällen sind viele der technischen Feinheiten gar nicht mehr möglich. Heutzutage macht dieser ehemals feine Sport einfach keinen Spaß mehr.

  • @AnthonyRonaldBrown
    @AnthonyRonaldBrown Před 11 lety

    Jean Michel Saive...
    Gay One Hit Wonder!! Now Totally forgot about! by Real TT Fans!!

  • @christianwhite9583
    @christianwhite9583 Před 10 lety +4

    I got to give it to Saive, he beat the best player in history fair & square, but his intensity is annoying! Did you see the veins popping out of his head.

    • @olaniyi570
      @olaniyi570 Před 9 lety +2

      Agreed. Waldner would later talk about in an interview how Saive's intensity makes it even more difficult to play him. Waldner compared it to Borg playing McEnroe.

    • @nicklasandersson5606
      @nicklasandersson5606 Před 5 lety

      Fair and square? Waldner injured fingers early and was wiping blood all match.