DUNE: PROPHECY Explained | First Trailer Breakdown [New Max TV Series]
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- After only crumbs of news consisting mostly of casting reveals or production shakeups, actual footage of the new Dune spinoff prequel series entitled Dune: Prophecy set to air on the HBO Max streaming service was finally revealed when the first trailer was dropped online. This is the first time fans and prospective audiences have an idea of what they can expect from this Bene Gesserit focused show. An explanation of what we know about Dune: Prophecy, and a breakdown of what was revealed in the trailer and discussion my hopes and concerns for this series.
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The trilogy Sisterhood/Mentats/Navigators tells the story of how the bene geserits learn how to fight, how to use voice and how they get other memory among other things. It has the potential to answer many questions fans have about the sisterhood. The story has a lot of potential…. If it passes the ghom jabbar test
We want to see the Spacing Guild
“mixed feelings”
There’s an evil wonderfully spitefull vivid memory in the dark recesses of my mind gleefully recalling you referring to Brian’s works as “fan-fiction”.
Brian's work is pretty much fan fiction compared to his father's work but if they've taken the general starting point from him but have gone in a better direction I'm hopeful it can improve on his novels.
...and she's not off target saying that. Brian Herbert & Kevin J Anderson are not amateurs. Brian (and family?) own the property so he can do what he wants and I think in general he seeks to honor and expand his father's work. That being said, the BHerbert/KJAnderson works have gone off the rails more than once in the Dune saga with storylines and major plot points that are far afield from Frank Herbert's work.
Personally I hope the series kicks ass like the trailer does. As others've already said -- we have to wait and see. I hope the showrunner does excellent work with this property. We all know a showrunner can make a series sing or can fvck it up. I hope for the former.
@@tedball8677 I'll give it a chance on it's own merits. Dune (Part One and Part Two) were excellent motion pictures, but poor adaptations.
@@RodneyGravesI'm not paying to see feminist matriarchal movie
@@lastzulu180 We're talking about a series on MAX. And you may do as you choose.
Ultimately the Bene Gesserit are at the core of the Dune Universe. Herbert focused more on them than even the Atreides line. Without them, without everything they developed, there never would've been the God Emperor and therefore humanity would've gone extinct.
HBO gave us The Wire, but then we got GoTs. Once the pudding's cook, we can discuss the taste
We also got house of the dragon, which I enjoyed very much. It has GoT beat
You said that like got was bad, they had one bad season literally
@@Notfakeultra actually when you go back, the show was on the decline literally during season 5. Do I need to explain why Arya should’ve when the Waif stabbed her. And let’s talk about the disappointment named Euron Greyjoy, or how they made Sansa go through literally the arc she went through with Joffrey. Also let’s talk about the Tysha story. There was one major detail they left out of the show.
WB has learned nothing from Disney’s High Republic but they will learn plenty from the Acolyte if they are wise.
I was hoping to see a show about all schools including Bene Gesserit order, the order of Mentats, the sword masters of Ginaz, the Suk doctor inner school and the Spacing Guild
what worries me is that they will give in to their standard of 'strong woman' by making the Sisters use what someone else in another vid comments section call 'Hard Power'
the Sisterhood uses 'Soft Power' the manipulating of bloodlines, marriages and persons. while the Males (the Landsraad and so on) use 'Hard Power' which is violence, arms and war.
Most modern shows with modern women fall back on Hard Power because the writers don't seem to be able to write a woman using Soft Power anymore. (if some of them ever knew how to do it, like Frank knew how to)
it's fine to make them all 'girl boss' but, they need to do it by making them Sisterhood versions.
Softly people. We were willing to wait 90 generations for Him, throwing a tantrum and acting like men do, will not work. You do not let them glimpse the Bene Gesserit Fist inside the glove, unless there is great need.
Very good points you raised there. Completely agree that the Bene Gesserit need the subtlety of nuanced and clever writing with plenty of behind the scenes political manoeuvring rather than in your face bollocks that passes for female power these days.
@@adrianmcmahon5731 i went back and found the post that i'm talking about.
It's worth reading it.
@madaxe606
1 day ago
In the books there was a clear distinction between feminine and masculine power, and the way it was utilized. Women (personified in the Bene Gesserit) wielded Soft Power - influence, manipulation and secrets, entirely through interpersonal relationships. Men (personified in the Landsraad, Mentats and the Spacing Guild) wielded Hard Power - physical force, mastery of weapons and technology, harnessed for the purpose of restrained and unrestrained violence. Neither was necessarily 'superior' to the other, because either one used without the other to back it up would be ineffective, especially in the long run.
Meaning that there is AMPLE space for Hollyweird to do the whole Girlboss thing to their heart's content, and it will be both plausible and compelling - BUT ONLY IF they don't also succumb to the weak, lazy agenda-mongering of making the men all look like gormless sheep, led along by their noses by feminist power-fantasy tropes.
Guess we'll see.
Another awesome video Elaine. Your nerdy talk is unparalleled. Love the channel and content to you and your team.
I hope there will be lots of Bene Gesserit board meetings where they discuss policy and philosophy (like we got in Heretics and Chapterhouse). And I mean that unironically.
As long as they don't have sisters shooting beams from their eyes or fingers, it actually looks watchable. Their wanting power up front and centre, could serve as a lesson for the future. Better to stay in the shadows.
Not being a fan of Brian and Kevin's books, hopefully they also use some source material from the Dune Encyclopedia which Frank Herbert actually endorsed as well as from Heretics and Chapterhouse which are almost exclusively about the Bene Gesserit.
I like that it shares the visual feel of Denis Villeneuve and Greig Fraser.
"Little reason for excitement...." about covers it. Hoping but not expecting to be surprised.
I always love your breakdowns ❤
I want to see the spacing guild and the mutated navigator class 3 in Messiah and here, or else ... I'll just pout and be left with the feeling that someone broke into my home only taking all the electronics with a note saying "haha".
It looks like it is going to be set after the Sisterhood trilogy, in the books Valya is in her 20s but Emily Watson is clearly playing an older character, also Javicco is the son of emperor Roderick Corrino and Spacing Guild is only being talked about Norma Cenva by the end of the trilogy! I'm hoping the show starts in year one AG.
I'm interested in the idea of this series, but I'm worried because it's apparently based on some of the Brian Herbert/Kevin J. Anderson books and I think I recently saw that Kevin is involved in the series. I only got through the first one and a half of their books and they were not good. (
I was hoping Nerd Cookies that this series would portray the Bene Gesserit correctly. To many time the directors want to portray them like western nuns. That is not what they are in the books, they are more like the "Jedi" of the Dune universe and show the "Weirding Way" of fighting.
I just hope HBO doesn’t drop the ball as they have with sooo many other great shows and stories. Dragging them out and then canceling them before they actually finish the story.
As complex a story as this one is, I have a feeling they will. So I have my doubts they will carry this one across the finish line. Viewer Beware!
Its always hard to write a book or make a movie set in a period 10k years before the original story but I will give a chance I honestly am not a major fan of Dune part 2 many things were omitted which I think should have been in especially Alia but I will go in with an open mind
Dennis clarified that Alia will have way more screen time in dune 3 if it’s green-lit, same with Irulan.
Hyped 🔥🔥🔥
The reason Denis leaned heavily into the Bene Gesserit in his films is because of how Frank Herbert leaned into them in his last two novels.
Yeah, definitely need to see more of the navigators and mentors,
Overall, am hopeful
To be clear, I only got less than halfway through the first book.. but absolutely adore the movies by Villeneuve and loved how he brought such a visceral vision to life..
I might be biased because the Bene Gesserit is my favorite faction, so I actually don’t mind that this series is focusing on their particular group.. but I do get what you mean, and not leaving out the spacing guild or the mentats.. hopefully this is just a tester series, imagine the Duniverse on the scale of Marvel’s shared universe.. with a series/standalone films dedicated to the factions and their main characters!
I'll reserve my option until I learn how the Sardaukar are portrayed, being a patriarchal warrior society/cult not a fashionable thing these days regardless they were the dominant military force in the known universe for nearly 10,000 years, they fought and won a victory against the combined forces of the great houses at the battle of Corrin.... the first of Padisha Emperor was placed upon the throne by that victory... there, I've finished my
Sardaukar rant....and as always GREAT CONTENT!!!
Will people in the UK be able to see this?
Thank you for keeping the Imperium alive. You are my sci-fi source.
I love any kind of show that has to do with Dune . I still watch the old mini series every now and then. I can wait for this new show.
Thank you, Nerd Cookies. I’ll watch it hoping for a good story that doesn’t veer off the -Golden Path- tracks.
I’m excited for this show. Love the Sisterhood. Such fascinating characters
Looks good to me!
I am cautiously optimistic
The founding of the spice girls
So it's set in the year 177 A.J.?
It's hard to tell much of anything about the quality of the show from the teaser apart from the costume and set design looks fairly decent from what we saw. Emma Watson, Olivia Williams and Mark Strong are all very good actresses and actors when they've got good material to work with. A full trailer should be a better test of whether the writing and general plot is up to a high enough standard. But after the teaser I'll still give it a fair go when it gets released. After all the upheaval of the first show runner leaving and Shirley Henderson dropping out it's had a troubled birth but so have lots of shows that have gone on to be terrific.
if villeneuve isnt working on it i dont have high hopes
Never in my life did I ever think Emily Watson would star in something this channel would cover.
Do you think he might just leave out any reference to the Butlerian Jihad?
The Bene Gesserit are, by their own deliberate machinations, the lynch pin of the Empire.
It looks pretty good
I’m doubtful about this. I’ll try it because there’s nothing on, but I do not expect it will be watchable.
Not sure if I want to see their version of space navigator, I need to see Denis Villeneuve version first.
I hope this show flash the other houses. When I saw House Ecaz and House Vernius in the videogame Dune: Spice Wars (2022) I was intrigued to find out more. At least in the game they have distinct characteristics. If they are in this show but look the same as Atreides and Corrino, I will be disappointed.
With Javicco as Emperor and Valya looking much older than she is at the end of the "Schools" trilogy, I'm wondering if Vorian would still be alive. Nothing is mentioned of his fate by the end of the final book in the trilogy "Navigators of Dune" after his fight with Valya on Corrin, other than him escaping and he published his 3 memoirs sometime after that. He's about 220-225 years old by the time of the duel with Valya. The books then jump to the "Prelude to Dune" series about 10,000 years later set just prior to the events of Franks original Dune.
In typical Harkonnen fashion, Valya becomes Mother Superior after the death of the founder of the sisterhood by deceit and treachery. Raqulla Bertil-Anirul is the founder of the sisterhood on Rossak - ironically an Atriedes and daughter of Vorian although whilst not a secret no one knows this - and the first and for many years the only to survive the ingesting of poison to achieve the "change".
There's been argument for years amongst fans as to whether or not the books written by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson are actually canon. I take the view of no, they're not, but can be fun reads but don't expect prose on the level of Franks original books. They do contradict a lot of things in Frank's original books but they do give context, particularly the "Legends" trilogy which makes for interesting reading if you want to know more about the Butlerian Jihad and the origins of the Harkonnens, Atreides and Corrinos (previously Butler) as well as setting the groundwork for the origins of the Fremen, Sisterhood, Navigators and Mentats and the subsequent "Schools" trilogy. The "Prelude to Dune" trilogy annoyed me for its canon breaking, particularly the entire Ixian arc as well as Dr Yeuh's origin. Making the "enemy" in "Hunters/Sandworms" that the scattering is fleeing from who they did (no spoilers), was a cop-out for me, but does come full circle if you've read the "Legends" trilogy.
For me it's a shame they didn't start with "Legends" but epic space battles are expensive to make for the screen. I'm cautiously optimistic for "Prophecy", but time will tell. With no source material to reference the writers of the series could go completely off the rails.
They are Canon get use to it
It would be cool to see them change the Era and faction every season. I want the butlerian Jihad.
I would have been cool with a show set thousands of years in the future rather than the past.
Lisan al gaib!!
Ya hya chouhada!
If the writing makes sense itll be good regardless of the weak source material.
To be honest, I have my doubts. Sisterhood is probably a bit too much psychological and less action for possible new fans, but will suit the Base, becaue they accept enything Dune. I wonder that if Prophecies will be a succes, they will go on with Mentats and Navigators, though both will also not be that actionpacked SF people like. However, there could be a way out. The Harkonnen sisters have a sidegoal in Siterhood: Vorian Atreides and in my opinion his life would be a much better way to explain much of the early Dune universe, starting with the Titans, then the Machines, the Machine wars, Butler, Sisterhood. Thats a storyline for many seasons and I like the character of Vorian, but thats personal 🙂
Cautiously optimistic. Frank Herbert is definitely in my Top 5 list of people I'd like to bring back to life lol.
Am I the only one who’s excited for this? Of course it could be bad but it could also be great. Won’t know till we see it. It will for sure live or die on its writing.
I'm hopeful with low expectations. If the writing and acting is good without twisting the lore of the universe too much, I'm all for it.
Several sort of random thoughts. Future series or future seasons must include the origin of the mentats, Ixians, and Bene Tleilax. Making the origin of the Bene Gesserit be Harkonens sort of strikes me as lazy (Brian). If their goal is (taken from the Dune Wiki) is: "The primary objective of the Bene Gesserit was to attain further power and influence and help to direct humanity along a path of insight and stability.", then cross mixing it with Harkonnen ambition at the beginning seems wrong.
It has been a while since I read the Dune prequels. The Prequel books are without a doubt inferior to the books written by Frank but they do lend themselves well to video. Sisterhood seems a strange place to start though. Butlerian Jihad would have been a better choice IMO.
I enjoyed this video more than I’ll enjoy this new series I bet.🤣
Honestly, I hope it’s great. The source material though….
Anyway, the Spice must flow.
I think it looks ok, better than i thought it would tbh considering it's troubled production. I still think it will likely be a disappointment but the trailer at least has me interested. Personally i would prefer a completely new story set in Dune universe with 2 completely different houses. Maybe House Richese during their fiefdom of Arrakis.
With a show like this, it's all about the final execution and the 'rule of cool'. It's FAR too early to tell if this is going to be good. The devil is in the details. But the casting certainly gives me hope.
Excited yet cautious about this upcoming show. Legendary? Horrible? Time will tell.
From what I've seen and read of Dune. I really don't know how they won the robot/human war. But it's one of those things I really want to know.
You can read the butlerian jihad trilogy. Some consider it non-canon or fanfiction but i quite liked it.
@@origami83 Thank you might just be what I'm looking for. Looks interesting from what I read in the Dune wiki
I feel like a just female centric storyline that makes all males secondary and subservient will push away the main audience.
If there is an army of mary sues just running around with no stakes of failure or no need of men other than breeding then whats the point?
I think a better storyline would be something only hinted at in the books. That would be the four way animosity that the Mentats, Sisterhood, Guild Navigators and Bene Tleilax came to be.
All are viying for control and will do anything to get it. That is a compelling story that allows for the Sisterhood story line to be huge as play againt better opponents then just ordinary Royal Dudes.
As always. I stand with Thinking Machines. Hail Omius!
UNALIVE HRETHGIR!
A series about the Honored Matres I believe would be a better series. The Honored Matres seem more realistic in terms of their ambitions. The Bene Gesserit are perhaps the most incompetent group in the whole Dune series. Women with that type of power would act more like the Honored Matres and not spend thousands of years looking for a male savior especially after witnessing years upon years of male ineptitude.
👍❤😊
Do you think I'm interested in seeing the matriarchy? Story.
Kevin J Anderson is bad enough, but this sounds like it will feed into all of Hollywood's worst impulses. One of the great ironies is that in their desperation for female empowerment, Hollywood has lost their ability to write women, and the more female centric a story is, the worse the writing will be. Rings of Power is bad enough with one Galadriel, now imagine a show where every nonvillainous character has to be a Galadriel (and the "cooler" villains too). And I have no problem just ignoring the show, but now I fear the Kevin J Anderson interquels will become canon for an adaptation of Messiah.
I’m looking forward to it and cautiously hopeful. I really didn’t like the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson cheap and generic space operas, especially compared to Frank Herbert’s style and vision. This is one instance where I hope they DON’T respect the source material and instead, go off more in a Frank Herbert like direction with the writing and plot.
Do they go bald by the end of show? Hark, Hark, Hark. ;)
I'll explain Dune Prophecy. In order for Brian Herbert to sign over to WB the film rights to Dune, a deal had to be struck. The deal? WB get's film rights and in return Brian gets to be an "on paper" producer and a TV series based on his grave digging, non-canon, fan fiction.
Why does the aesthetic & tech look the same 10k yrs ago?
The fact that there is 10.000 years of history between this and the movies and they still look pretty much the same (down to the fashion choices and technology) kinda takes me out of it a little bit. :/
Hopefully it's better than what WHEEL OF TIME did.
Agree that there are other areas of the Dune Universe that are in greater need of development. But I understand why they selected this path. And I don’t agree with it. Luckily, I don’t watch TV anymore.
Another great video Nerd Cookies! 🙏
I have read the six(6) novels and with each one, I dislike the Bene Gesserit a little more; I was glad to see the God Emperor giving them a short leash! All the misery in that universe has been brought by the Bene Gesserit. That universe would most likely have been better off if that order of women never existed. 🤔
They want to control everything and look at everyone outside the Bene Gesserit as if they were cockroaches with a few exceptions. 🤦♂
Not sure I will bother checking a series about ONLY them.
Lots of people are like HUH? This should help to explain the world at the time of Dune. The 1st Dune movie ( way back when) was a dismal failure because if you didn't read the books 1st, you couldn't follow it.
Doesn't matter if the "explanation" is non-canon
I hope they can bring it off with the dignity of F. Herbert's writing and not like the GOT books which seemed to me like a smutty, low brow copy of LOTR. IDK, Brian's books are like a small tactical exercise during war, while his father was a master strategist, as if Sun Tzu was behind the writing. I love big concepts, epochal movements. I tried Brian's books, but the constant grind into minutiae made me drop them. I'll see it anyway of course lol.
I was so hopeful this prequel series would be based on the butlarian jihad. Sadge
The Brian Herbert books were so not good. Yeesh
like i said to book readers who were mad about the movies, you have the book to fall to movies are never word for word & can't have everything in it
Iam not excited about what seems to be a female centric dune series. The bene gesserit only mildly interest me as a one of many factions in the duniverse but on its own, na thanks. The machine wars, titans, omnius, butlerian jihad would make for a far more interesting prequel series, imo ofc.
Andor is one of the few prequel series that really works and it’s because it stands on its own. Ignoring Star Wars and Rouge one, that series is one of the best pieces of television in recent years
Damn dude its getting tough to watch your show, nothing but sad shit. Get plenty of that in my own life these days..
Holy crap, this is going to suck.
The video is useless. Title is clickbait. Just a few lines about the trailer. You are repeating the entire bene Gesserit history.
It looks to much like Games of Thrones
The females are basically the villains of the Dune Universe so it'll be interesting to see how they spin this.
Not sure I entirely agree that women are always the villains in the Dune universe. At Frank Herbert's best very few characters were purely villainous apart from the Harkonnens. The Bene Gesserit themselves could be both villain and heroic at the same time. Very little in Dune was as clearly defined completely black or white which is why I think its legacy has lasted so long.
Another comment showing complete lack of understanding regarding the Dune Saga
Having just sat through the dumpster fire called Fallout (series), I honestly feel, this is going to be even worse. Somehow. Even some fans of Dune can find the BG difficult to understand, and while Dune is a well-known IP, the BG are hardly a houseold word outside the fan base. So...who is the show meant for? Lets be up front here, they are not going to get either the universe, or society of Dune correct in broad strokes, or the BG themselves. We can see this already. Everyone in the Duniverse you see, will either be an Atredies, or a Harkonen.
This series is based of the novel Sisterhood of Dune, which takes place eighty years after the Battle of Corrin. So it makes sense to include the feud between the Atreides and Harkonnen. It's meant for anyone who wants to explore their relationship and the origins of the Bene Gesserit.
After the let down of the Dune 2 movie, I have zero expectations with this series.
The show/movie is only as smart as those writing it and I'm not hopeful they hire the smartest people anymore but rather those most loyal to spreading Woke nonsense.
I don't trust this series at all
Why?
@@GamerplayerWT first of all, it's based on fanfic. So it's gonna be a fanfic of a fanfic
@@henrymach So the family of Frank Herbert (the authorized agents of his estate) are fanfic writers? I don’t think so.
@@henrymach Proof?
Lol a show revolving around women comparing itself to game of thrones...yaaaaa no way modern writers will f this up right?
In the books, the "Bene Gesserit" are portrayed more physically and more like the "Jedi" of the Dune universe.
It looks pretty bad
I'm not holding my breath
Doesn’t hit the feels without lisan al gaib. Just a bunch of women…talking and plotting it seems.
Yep. No surprise there.
@@southpawle641the misogyny is hilarious. Don’t read the last 2 books from Frank Herbert because they’re about women “scheming”
@@Badredbone Misogyny means the hatred of women. When did they say they hate women? If you’re going to use that word, then at least understand what it means and use it in its correct context.
The series looks and sounds awful, to be honest
This is for sure DEI crap. Woke nonsense to cache in on the latest Dune movie's success.
Says someone who hasn’t seen a single episode of it.
This will SUCK, because it is already focusing on evil sisters. This is more GIRL BOSS CRAP AND FEMINISM. NO THANK YOU!
It’s gonna be feminist crap
Since I don't have Max, nor do I plan to get it, I guess I'll have to hope it comes out on Blu Ray. Looks OK. though.
DEI Toxic Feminism ..
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