2 Clicks Out: Kawasaki Z H2 Supercharger Suspension Setup
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2020
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Motorcycles are just too darn slow these days. Kawasaki solved the problem during a lunch break last year by mounting a supercharger to an engine they had laying around the shop, then stuck it in a leftover trellis frame from the storage shed. They grabbed some Ninja 650 suspension bits out of the bin and, poof, the Z H2 naked liter bike super slayer. What a time to be alive! Flying saucers are next. - Sport
I'd...very much like to sit next to Dave all day long at the race track, see him do his thing, absorb all that knowledge and have a good laugh at the same time. Really envious on you guys living in Cali, all sorts of tracks, canyons, ton of bikes and bikers...AND Dave, you got it all!
It would be nice to have some options for tracks like they do in California.
Just found this channel. Thank you so much Dave.
Welcome! Enjoy the content, leverage it and create more smiles per mile with your ride. Where possible, please pay it forward :)
Dave is the man! He performed his magic on my bike at Reno/Fernley track day one year!
That was a while back :) - thanks for your trust in my skills.
Dave Moss Tuning Yes it was. 2008 I believe. SuperHawk, with a RC51 front end and a Fox rear shock.
Customer: "I appreciate it dave!"
Dave: *puts away big wad of cash*
"You're welcome.. what tire pressure are you starting with"
Wit these tires on this bike 30 rear 32 front cold as a minimum and if needed, 34/34 cold for advanced. FYI adjustment is $60.
Super cheap 😌👏👏👏👏
If 60 bucks is a "big wad of cash" to have a pro tune your suspension... ya might pick a different hobby.
Weavin hahahhaa...nice one, maybe LEGO 🏍 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fouck t he smart as esss
That looks like a wild ride!! Dave can tune anything!!
The electronics handle it. Up to 85mph you don't need more than 130hp. That's why the 0-60 times haven't changed for 20 years now.
@@gumpertapollo97 thats why i ride a MT07. Plenty of torque down low, its comfy and a cheap around town bike. Only downside is very little suspension adjustments.
@@mt-07slayer60 Verrrrrrry little lol
me: awesome!(Continues screaming internally riding a honda scooter)
"no wheelies, I promise... *
Thats a promise you can't make on a ZH2. I overtook a car in third yesterday and the front came up just on the power, and mine is stock lol
Yikes..... I have no doubt the front wheel has a problem staying on the ground with even moderate acceleration.
@@CatalystReactionSBW Yes, it's usually Involuntary too, making it a poor choice for a drag bike, but alot of fun in the road!
Would like to see this Suspension Master working on my bikes! I think there is definitely some space for improvements 🏁🤘
That is why I offer Remote Tuning via the web to assist you while you are in your home.
Come to the cathedral of speed Dave, we need you! :D
the vid description is great
excellent vid, im hoping you get one of a 2020 z900 soon so i can play with mine a bit
This is 100% an adjustment that needs to be made to a stock, base model ZH2. Everyone with one should start here
Yes rear shock is ordinary. Had my std suspension set up by a shop which was ok for a little bit. Ive just recently upgraded rear suspension to a Nitron setup. As you said, 2000 miles and the std shock was toast.
wish he would travel to the east coast. would love to watch him and have him do my suspension. remote tuning is just not the same experience
Covid demolished the US tour for 2020 so I am planning for 2021. There will be many cities back East on the tour and dates will be published by March 1 2021 on my website.
Dave Moss Tuning awesome!! Looking forward to it.
I just like seeing Dave do his thing - even though I will probably never to bother to fiddle with the suspension settings on my own bike
@vic vapor As of yet I have never done that no, but that's a valid point indeed
I own a zh2, rear shock is terrible.
I got an ohlins ready to go. Also could benefit from steel braided hoses..... and of couse an ecu tune would not hurt.
So Kawasaki made a bad ass motorcycle that lets put it mildly isn't the cheapest thing out there. Then took a shock that really at that price point is really taking the piss, so when you really need stability the bike wants to throw you down the road. WOW thank you KHI.
Sold to people that only look at a dino sheet when deciding what to buy. Then wants to know what happened AFTER IT'S CRASHED?
that's ALL sports bikes.........terrible shocks because owners are just gonna replace them anyways......and most people aren't going to the track with their bikes, they just got $$$ to blow and "look" cool.
--- said by people who don't know how to ride bikes (which includes *TUNING* your bike), or can't pay for someone to tune their bikes.
But hey, if you're riding a 125cc bike, who needs to tuning amirite?
They put street appropriate shocks on a street bike. They can't account for everyone's weight either. The best thing you can do is change the spring to better match your weight and then tune the setup to handle your skill level.
Wow.. I just watched the Rideclutch video and they are given away a Kawasaki Ninja H2 "Street Version Guys " ;) Great video Dave Moss Thank you Sir. If I won that bike I'd fly down to Zona and Ride it back home to Maine with a stop in So.Cal, then up to Washington State to meet my old man , brother an Sister I have out there. Then Home. Be Awesome to Ride through the Badlands and all the other places I want to visit on a bike and much more.
Omg... And of Course I'd go visit with Mr.Dave Moss @DMT (Dave Moss Tuning) and the other Dave , Whom does an Amazing job bringing us these videos, I Definitely Appreciate him for bringing us this Great Content. Thank You Mr.Dave Williams We appreciate You to Sir.
what a way to break a bike in.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Thanks much, I really appreciate it.
@@CatalystReactionSBW You are So Very Welcome Mr. Williams Sir. Love what you both do there, Love the content, I'm constantly trying to learn as much as I can. I sometimes , Well I Believe We all need to stop and smell the Roses from time to time Sir., and sometimes I do not take the time to do so. That's why I definitely didnt want to leave you out Because it's a Team Effort and You Sir are a Very Special part of that Team, I'm sure you know it from Dave Moss. But it's also nice to know that your Appreciated from Us Fans as well. Mr. Moss is a very talented man with tuning Motorcycles and stuff and I may be wrong but I believe you may have talent there too in that area, but We know your definitely the talent behind the camera and I just want you to know We appreciate your Work Mr.Williams Sir. You bring Great quality videos and I really get a kick out of them.. like when you speed it up here and there but leave the volume in.. "Dave Moss is speaking very fast " Its all in good fun" With that Sir. I bid You a Good evening/ night. Thank You again @Mr.DaveWilliams .
Its.........so..........beautiful
I could watch Dave all day long...he is the grandmaster of suspension.
are the current models more well-equipped? the site shows it having a fully adjustable sff-bp in the front which is nothing to sneeze at. the rear seems a little disappointing with only rebound adjustability. the SE is fully adjustable front and rear though, but the same components at heart.
Dave use to say, "tune your bike with all your gear on"
With time, studying and practice - you can do either. Part of learning is broadening your point of view via experience gained. Gear or no gear, ALWAYS do it the same way.
Maybe that IS all his gear? 🤷🏻♂️
Where did you get the fender eliminator?
been fighting with my H2 SX/SE at the track. Forks bottom out when getting on the brakes hard after a long straight, even with max preload. Talked to a few suspension guru's and watching your videos. Went with stiffer fork springs, better but still bottoms out. While i do want to prevent bottoming out at the track, scared it will ruin the ride-ability on the street if i go with a even stiffer spring.
Next step is more fork oil to leverage the air spring effect (czcams.com/video/EiZY0lcqeR8/video.html). Then possibly upgrade to a higher oil viscosity and volume.
Dave Moss Tuning isnt that just a bandaid fix? I changed the oil when i changed the spring, factory amount and stuck to the 10w.
@@Snakes709 depends on your budget and what you can afford matched to ability and use.
@Dave Moss Tuning well i got no problem tossing some money at it. Not going to be spending 3k on ohlins forks. I'm in intermediate group for track days but not as fast as I could be. Just sucks that I have to brake super early to give myself the room to slow down so i dont bottom the forks out. Track day before last i could feel the forks bottom right out, shook the whole bike. Replaced the springs with racetech 1.1kg/mm springs, while it wasnt smashing on the bottom and shaking the bike anymore, i could feel the tire compressing.
My buddy who races competitively said the same thing. Said there is alot more in the bike for speed and braking, but cant use it with the way the suspension is.
@@Snakes709 A revalve of the OEM shock would be a lot cheaper option and that would get you valving YOU needed for your bike! There's really no need to go to the aftermarket.
Just got a new to me 17 R6. I replaced the worn out tires with new Diablo rosso 3s. I also have no idea if the suspension set up is same from the factory or the previous owner messed with it. Is a remote tune possible for a base line for the street? Sorry if this is a stupid question. Thank you
Congrats on the R6 :) 100% possible. Email me, dave@davemosstining.com
what about the ZH2SE? I have it set to soft in the dash, but its still too tight. wonder if there is any mechanical adj on a electronic suspention?
I need to set up my Beta 450 for the street, suspension click wise
czcams.com/video/0kCGoDjtnM4/video.html This will get you started. If you need detailed help, you can request to work with me via my Remote Tuning option.
Hey Dave what’s your thoughts on 1996 gsxr 750 srad I have one that I’m converting from a street bike to a track bike
Fun motorcycle, easy to ride and soft suspension all the way around ala 90's trend. Fork and shock revalve and respring may be necessary along with fresh oil etc. Go with the rear axle just past center to rear.
Jesus that rear brake disc 0.o
Great work and video Dave. :D I was trying to follow your adjustments in compression and rebound and got a bit lost! I don't suppose you recall or wrote down what your final compression and rebound settings on this H2 were do you?? If you could let me know that would be great mate. :D
As per second session tune, shock rebound is .25 out from maximum, compression 2.5 turns out and rebound 2 turns out.
Put these settings on my Z H2. 6'3", 210lb in gear. Worked well, bike still has...mediocre (no?!) highspeed compression blow off, but at least if feels stable from 0-160mph.
Swapping from a tuned Set of Wilbers 643s to the Z H2 is....heartbreaking lol. Need to get a shock asap.
I need to meet you with my 18 R1M
How i wish you could adjust my yamaha r3 v2..
My weight is 60 kgs..
Man. I will come to you. Where do I go. 2019 Ducati Panigale V4S with Rotobox Bullet CF wheels.
Be careful with those wheels they tent to break a lot
I am in Socal 9/29, most of time in NorCal around Santa Rosa area. Schedule is here: davemosstuning.com/new-calendar/
The new model with electronic adjustment needs to be adjusted too?
Yes, just the same process to set sag, then find the damping setting that works best to keep the bike balanced. I've only done one so far and the result from the owner's POV was night and day for mid corner stability.
Spring pre-load in the rear - open the nuts with screwdriver and a small hammer - relax the rear (tilt the bike over the tilt by a second person) and then (1st person) moves the spring by hand (with the nut which adjust the preload)... not the nicest way...
I hate to tell people but, any slow motorcycle is still fun. Faster motorcycles, still fun. A 250 cruiser? Fun.
Hi Dave what shocks are you using on your Mv Agusta f3 thanks
I revalved the rear Sachs and put a different spring on it. Then I purchased a JRi for it to test. The forks are stock and from dyno testing them, we found that 15w in the compression leg and 5w in the rebound leg gave the best results.
Thanks Dave
How does that frame handle the horsepower?
Hi Dave,a lot of hero's out there saying the stock rear shock is shit. Or is it because it hasn't been set up right?.
I have PX'd my ZZR1400 PS for a 2018 H2 SX and want help with the suspension I am 5' 5" and weigh 61kg without my bike gear on.
Do you have any recommendations?.
Set static sag at 12-15mm via preload. Put compression at 50% of the total range. Ride for 20 minutes to get the shock hot and set rebound correctly.
@CatalystReactionSBW Ah thanks although I've got no idea how to do that!
Any hope for someone 6'3" and almost 300lb riding the ZH2 mostly on nasty roads?
(I meant bike adjustments, not diet tips!)
Your seat needs to be 25-30mm higher with seat foam. That will help enormously. Check fork and shock travel to se eif you need maximum preload and compression to stop bottoming. If so, springs and thicker oil would be the budget remedy.
@@CatalystReactionSBW Thanks, I was waiting for the aftermarket to catch up. Kawi saved us a lot of MSRP money by cutting back on a 'few' things.
Dave Moss Tuning I’ve watched a lot of your videos and It truly is fascinating watching you wok on these suspensions for these people, I wish that there was someone in my area (northeast pennsylvania) that I knew of that is like minded like you with setting up a suspension, I’ve only just purchased a 09 zx6r a few months ago. I have been trying to youtubEducate myself so that I can try and get the feel of the suspension, and what each specific part does and how it’s supposed to feel when riding, but it’s fairing out to be very challenging for me at the moment. Especially with something like suspension, I just don’t want to take my bike to any Tom, Dick, or Harry that says they know what they’re doing.
@@markbillus6098 How far away is Triple T Suspension (www.tripletsuspension.com
) and you ahev the option of Remote Tuning with me via email or video 1-1 for 30 minutes
Didn't realise the trellis frame was a left over item? I thought it was made specifically for the zh2?
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. It is. I was making a lame joke.
@@CatalystReactionSBW The whole thing made me laugh Dave 👍
Dave moss,
I purchased my seal repair kit,
2005 Suzuki GSXR 750.
Factoring my Schedule - it should be the coming week that I'll rebuild my front forks.
Do you have any insight or suggestions about type of fluid and adjustment upon completion?
10w fluid Maxima or Motul, 110mm oil height
@@CatalystReactionSBW paid for all my needed parts earlier today while at work.
All Parts should be in,
Accounted for by mid next week.
Really looking forward to overcoming this "fear of the unknown" I have about rebuilding forks.
That
And the difference in stability and performance -
As since I purchased this bike
Nearly 4 years ago it has been weeping from the fork seals.
I will hopefully be able to make any adjustments relative to the fluid,
As necessary ☺️
@@CatalystReactionSBW I just checked the invoice receipt
It shows
-*Genuine Honda Fork & Shock Oil - 5W
082080005 Suspension -*
What is your opinion on that?
I'll certainly get what you suggested over what I was sold
@@silversoozookee2839 If you live in a cooler climate, that oil will work. If not, 10w Maxima or Motul will work.
@@CatalystReactionSBW I do live in Oregon
Warm to hot (short!) Summers rain n cool rest of the year.
I do ride often and usually a hour or more.
Lots of curves multiple linked and some are tight.
Heck,
Maybe I'll just find a good used set of fork tubes and rebuild them with the 10w oil.🤣
Thanks for your input
I hope to get my bike adjusted,
Set properly for me
Whenever your in the PNW👍
The shock adjuster tool was under the seat.
He wasn't looking for that. He had the tool in his hand. How to access it was another story.
2:34 what's that noise? in the last video it was the fork bearing?
sounds like the oil in the gas tank sloshing
It’s the noise of a motorcycle being moved around... wtf are you talking about lol
@@sentientdogma1206 in one video earlier it was noticed that the bearing of the fork clamps (don't know the correct wording sorry) would have been worn and clearance is too much that's why you hear this noise. AND yes, cause I always hear exactly this noise I was asking for the difference in the noises.
Just question, this setup is for track only? Road? Both?
road first then prove you can out ride the road set up for the track. Track set ups are earned.
@@CatalystReactionSBW I'm hoping to get some tune up for my superbike by you someday in the future!!!
@@CaptainBroadSword I look forward to assisting you.
Love this comment ;)
is that jay leno son
lol
I clearly have my preload set way too tight. I know exactly what he's talking about when the throttle is chopped closed and the back gets wonky. Not a good feeling at all
How can I get you to adjust my zH2?
Remote Tuning process via email or 1-1 video. Email me dave@davemosstuning.com
I got myself a gen 1 z1000 2006 and found your old video on it czcams.com/video/TJ36e3fSRIc/video.html ,have couple questions about it.
My weight is 80kg,you are suggesting rider sag of 1 inch = 2,54 cm on the rear but you dont mention the rider sag in the front.
1.Whats the minimum rider sag I could go with in the rear? Tried 2,00 cm and the bike seemed more stable in the corner than with the 2,54 cm where it turns easier but isnt as stable at the apex.
2.Should both front and rear rider sag be the same number? If not whats the recommended rider sag for the front forks?
Thank you in advance.
Fork sag at 2cm as you found provides better stability via spring tension. You can add more stability by tuning rebound. The rear shock is 2.5 to 3.5cm depending on your level of aggression. In both cases you refine sag via fork and shock travel used.
@@CatalystReactionSBW yeah I understand that Rebound is more related to balance than the rider sag, stock settings are 1 turn out both front and rear (for a 68kg rider) I guess I could go for 2 turns out both front and back (for a 80kg rider).
About preload I was mistaken that I need 25mm in front and 20mm in the back but it makes more sense to me now to set it the other way arround.
Did the owner bothered to read the instruction manual, and look for the rear adjusting tool?
there isn't one supplied with the bike
doesnt come with tool unfortunately.
Why does this bike have a zx10r endcan? 🤔
its a new hype :) but they do lose alot power putting that can which is not designed for that engine !
@@tancakar8987 iv not heard that they loose alot of power. Iv got one to fit to my zh2 and heard only good things from ppl who have fitted it to theirs
@@M4rkmcc21 Thats because they think it looks better than the stock zh2 one...no other reason.
And yes there is a loss of power because its not designed for the zh2.
@@R3RLEE lighter thank stock, sounds better than stock, losing the 2nd cat in the system, £50 on ebay. I'm yet to see proof or anyone complain about loss of HP on all the forums I'm on. Its basically the same bore and length as the Scorpion I have fitted. That gains 6bhp according to their website. Just cos its not designed for the bike doesnt mean its going to lose power. Ppl have custom fitted H2 slip ons to their ZH2 bike with positive results.
Ma mi sbaglio o non hai precaricato la molla del mono ammortizzatore ?
Sul mio, io peso 100 kg, ho dovuto precaricare quasi tutta la molla, sag Raider std ero a 6 centimetri,🤦, assurdo vendere una moto premium, con un mono/molla di 💩
Crappy shocks are a Given with ANY sports bike, car or off-road truck......LOL.....the person is just gonna put what They prefer anyways.
Joe Roegan might smoke you
Isn’t this bike made to be uncomfortable?
depending on your anatomy and unwillingness to get fitted to your motorcycle, every bike is uncomfortable for the owner.
Why the f is that person wearing sandals?
Slipper biker,isnt it illegal?
What is a slipper bike?
Dave moss ..where can I get some DMT Stickers ????
Send me your address to my email dave@davemosstuning.com
@@CatalystReactionSBW done bossman
Fewer than 1 percent of riders can get anywhere near the limit of a liter-bike. So yes, let's add a supercharger.
More than 1 percent of riders have a wallet limit that's higher than the standard liter bike, so the manufacturers will think "Sure, why not?". :-)
I mean, that percentage is gonna be about the same for 600s, or even smaller bikes if we're honest. You don't need to be able to get anywhere near a bikes limit to open it up in a straight line and enjoy the torque of big engines
The supercharger doesn't mean "LOL TURBO BOOST GOOOOO", the supercharger helps make the power instant and accessible at nearly all rev ranges and in every gear. It makes the bike far smoother in power delivery going 35-55, not just 150-180.
So it isn't just for "the limit of a liter-bike", it's for all levels of the liter-bike.
But cool sounding criticism, I guess.
From most of the comments on here you'd think most owners are the next Valentino Rossi.
That frame looks suspiciously like a KTM RC unit, very interesting.
@@badgerman23 ah grasshopper, you are not looking close enough.
@@badgerman23 whatever you say....
Zh2 was a horrible suspension on rear, maybe a Bitubo or a Hyperpro resolves a problem. Kawasaki don't think good about that rear shock
Does it not have a remote adjustment on right side like the h2 se?
because it's mainly made for Street and not track.
@@jaikanths875 But it still could have a better rear shock
@@Guuggel exactly, on road was terrible...
WRONG.......99% of riders are gonna TOSS the stock shocks no matter WHAT it comes with!!! It's like tires.....people will complain and pick their preference anyways.
This is a prestige model for crying out loud... For a bike that's $29K (USD) MSRP, and billed as street/track slayer, it looks like it comes with a pretty craptacular low end shock like you'd find on a $8000 entry level machine--the kind whose only reason for existence is that it would otherwise be a hardtail. Looks like they only put it there with the expectation you'll get something better and toss the old one on Ebay.
Not only should it be a fully adjustable unit at this level, if they've got to make it so that you have to drop the shock just to adjust preload, it should have remote preload. Hell, throw an Ohlins, Penske or Nitron in there, bump the price a grand or two and call it a day. The sort of people who buy this kind of bike either won't care about a few measly dollars, or will recognize the value of having a proper setup.
At 30K the bike really should with a decent suspension, and come with whatever weight springs are appropriate to the rider's weight, but also a coupon for a personal tuning session from Dave himself.
MSRP is 17k...
My bad, didn't see that it was the *Z* H2, the $17000 200 horsepower supercharged liter street bike with a confusingly similar name, and only slightly less excusable lack of decent suspension.
@@nominalvelocity still salty after clowning yourself?! LOLZ.. FOH
Bro where are you getting that price? That bike is 17k. Your dealer is trying to get over on you.
@@rayjones9819 he's still right at $17K.
are u english
That has to be the worst bike to bring it to the track like wtf lol
Lol
The guy rolling up the Diavel just said hold my beer.
All the money on this bike has been spent on the engine - the suspension is sheer crap - oh and it's ugly
A friend said that it looks like an insect. I told her that it's not cute, it's not comfortable, but it's fast and fun!
Men wearing sandals in public is disgusting! Especially riding a motorcycle!
Not really a set up just confirmed suspension shite
Did not really that suspension is actually poo. Nice insight into your perspective.
Bikes come out of the factory to TRY to suit 90 Lb Japanese riders, and FAT 240 lb Americans, with one middle setting.
Of course you need to adjust them.
Don't criticize the manufacturer.
It would like buying clothes online, WITHOUT specifying your size.
... and if there are no external adjustments, get the right springs best suited fort your skill and weight!
@@CatalystReactionSBW
Also, of course.
I take Umbridge, against knocking the manufacturer, for a one size fits all bike, that is also based on price.
I don't budget for an Ohlins, for the perfect set up for the street/occasional track day. For a $10K bike, that's 10-15% of the purchase price of the whole new bike!
@@tvdinner325 Great points and appreciate you sharing. We will see how many understand "Umbridge" !
That's clearly not an American.....