Apologies for reposting the video but i published a very bad version by mistake. I can't these two reels in a botched up video. That video will be on my channel forever. Hope u understand.
In my own experience, I know that as the reel gets older- the Shimano line lay still holds better on line filling in the spool. The line is straight and very compact.
@@ifishcatfish if you observe carefully the Daiwa spools have a small taper on the neck of their spools. The Shimano has a straight spool. Also the Shimano has always had a tighter line lay in the oscillation. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Daiwa's- I have a Saltiga Expedition 5500, Saltiga 4500, an Exist, Certate, Ballistic, Theory, and even the new Luvias Airity. All their line lay will have that taper as the line builds in the spool. But my Stella 3000 and Vanquish 2000 have a better line lay compared to all of these- lol!!!
I own both and you're right. The Exist feels smoother at home but in practice the Stella is just... better and feels smoother. On top of that - and something seriously to factor in - Daiwa's customer service is absolute garbage and Shimano's is amazing.
I own the exist 18. First day using it was June 30, 2023 and I caught my PB bass in a neighboring lake. All I can say is it did exceptionally well, especially the drag.
I prefer my two 1000 Stella's on my two Loomis IMX rods. Diawa don't last as long as Shimano's over time, that's a proven fact. I have both and not loyal to either company. I bought two Stella's for bragging rights. Most people can get a Stradic 1000 HG upgrade to all bearings and be just as happy which I also have and done love them equally.
bearings upgrades have the biggest bias in the world. People love them because they did the upgrade and they want them to be better. But if i give you two of my vanfords, one with bearings instead of bushings, and ask you to tell the difference? Usually the stock reel actually feels smoother. Disassembly always adds some free play and noise
@@ifishcatfish I agree with you. But after time you can tell the difference and under load you can tell a difference between a bearing and a bushing. Bushings wear out faster being brass or plastic. What I do is a step further. I shim everything on the reel. When I'm done, not only does it feel tight and smooth, but there is absolutely no play anywhere in the handle, or the rotor or the bail. That you can feel the difference and yes I can tell the difference.
I can’t over state how accurate your review is , on paper the Daiwa is superior with its bigger main gear & tighter tolerances . Plus they look great but it doesn’t translate to a better experience on the water. I have a Luvias airity which is pretty much a exist minus a few inconsequential difference and I have to say… I’m a bit disappointed, I’m thinking of repurposing it to saltwater inshore use. I should of bought a vanquish 😭.back to shimano for me.
Love content like this, unfortunately there just isn't enough of it on CZcams (at least not on English) 😆 great stuff mate, I'm always looking forward to your videos!
I catch huge fish on affordable reels. Not even guides use such expensive reels. I love ultra light gear for bait fishing only could care less about the bells and whistles. If you cry about looks and drag clickers I got news for you overtime if you catch lots of fish the reel starts to get scuffed the clicker starts to wear out bearing start to make noise gears stop being smooth but the memories, pictures, and videos are far more valuable
To most of us, the Stella is like the dream reel. Maybe not in terms of specs, but when you look at the design and its price, its seems like something unattainable. I wonder how Shimano will follow it up in the next generation. Daiwa is on top of the game and always releasing new reels, so I’m not surprised the exist is more refined as you said.
@@ifishcatfish yeah I could afford one too, but I just refuse to buy anything more expensive than the tatula line up for now. My kage which is basically a tatula is the most expensive daiwa reel I own, mostly because everything above is just bells and whistles. As you said, in a completely quiet room, you can kinda hear the difference, but on the water its a different story. I’m not saying I’ll settle for a honda, but why go out and buy a Lamborghini when a lexus will get you just as far and is more practical for most people.
Probably worth the wait. I hoping that they get the micro gears figured out this time to where they are just perfect. They have them really close now though.
I really appreciate the better line management of my Shimanos, glad you pointed that out. Great video as always, hope to see that video on line management soon! PS: What reel are you giving away?
I haven't thought of that, but i don't use high gear ratio reels any more. I guess if you reel 100 M of line on the spool with higher gear ratio you will hit the end of the spool fewer times.. As for spool, i see some intention in the design to improve casting, but Daiwas casting is not as good as Shimano in my experience.
I got two Stella 1000 both with 15lbs braid and gloomis 843s and one with imx pro 822s. Best combo ever. I catch all kind the fish with these. There isn’t anything that I can think of can beat This combo.
Killing Me over here with the Tractor Grease remark. I agree with you though, and I think a test of various greases in various quantities would make for an excellent video or two.
i am really not in love in any grease so far. The ones that are really light don't stay on the teeth more than an hour, and the ones that stay, have a lot of resistance. But it is my dream one day i find a grease i love for UL fishing.
@@ifishcatfish Shimano Permalube i find the best for Shimano gears.Also an old Stradic runs like a dream after cleaning and lubing with Permalube ,wouldn’t even by far compare with standard grease.And it lasted for 2 years on the cogs,without any problems. I suppose that would work with Daiwa too.Best lube ever!
I would also call my self a DAIWA fanboy....got Certate 5000, Luvias Airity 3000, Legalis 2500, buying NEW 2022 Ballistic and I also own one Shimano reel - NASCI 4000 :) Exist LT is just PORN :D
What I like in Stella,even after 3-4 years of use you can sell it easily and get back at least 400$.For Daiwa Exist after 3-4 years of using, hard to get 400$ and people don't want to buy second-hand hi end daiwa.
i should have. The owner of the reels did not want me to mess with the drag on the Exist, he wanted it stock. It is extremely muffled, more muffled even than on Legalis. Perhaps because the spool has no cuts..
excellent point. I believe tractor grease is better than what they put. I have used tractor grease and you are right, it will fall off the teeth and feel just fine. This is like having chewing gum on the gears that wont go away
thats demonstrably untrue. Unless you believe that the new Exist has lower precision that the old one. Because the new Exist definitely has lower resistance.
hola, gusto en saludar. Me podrían ayudar a entender si conviene más un certate o un exist? Hablo español y no puedo entender nada en el video, si lo escriben puedo poner el traductor. Se los agradecería mucho.
hi! I have the stella FJ 5000XG and I don't know if is a "problem" of my reel but when you turn the reel quick and stop Instantaneously you can hear a sort of "clack" sound like two metal in contact. This is for too much free play between the handle and the crown wheel. I saw on youtube that someone solved this problem adding a washer between the two. Do you have the same problem? even if is not a problem because during fishing the noise is really low.
That reel was sent to me by subscriber and i sent it back but i never niticed any issues in a month of normal fishing. I am not sure what strage tests you are doing, but in normal foshing i didnt see a problem..
i like both but who i pick shimano because easy to lube oil greas itself i want my reel selfservice like a baby 😂😂😂 but in mecanism in gear inside ill go daiwa MQ simple but tough inside gear same in vanstaal only bad is need a special mag seal oil if not need ill go daiwa its good gear inside system
i think magseal bearing also causes resistance. i hv magseal bearing reels in baitcaster and spinning they are all smooth but with resistance. i tried changing grease but not helpful then i tried swapping magseal bearing with normal bearing that fits and it improves. oh i dunno i just guess. i love daiwa but i hate magseal bearing. i have a stella and luvias airity though they are not same size but if had to guess my vote goes to stella. i love daiwa baitcaster but spinning reels i feel comfortable with shimano.
@@ifishcatfish No measurable resistance from Magseal. Has been well established. If you find a new Exist a little more heavy to turn compared to a Stella it is because of less play, higher precision.
Spot on vid Victor and on the 2min mark I knew you where going to say Daiwa is the smoother reel between the two. The tractor grease btw is what makes the reel quiet and smooth since I experienced this first hand when I removed the factory grease on my Certate LT. Thats the trade off to that silent buttery smoothness since the grease is thicker and as for what you said about not being able to justify the price tag on the Stella. I absolutely agree also since there are other Shimano reels that are cheaper that can perform as well as the Stella.
Even shimano put mini tractor grease. I removed the grease from all of my vanfords, and resistance is gone, but so is the quietness. They full of all kinds of noises now. I think daiwa is afraid to have their high end reels have noises like that and packs them full of tractor grease
@@ifishcatfish yeap like what you said on your previous vid when you removed the grease on your Vanford. Its a choice someone has to make since you will lose something to gain something. Btw that vid also helped me fine tune my reels depending if its for finesse or for brutal applications. Appreciate the content as always 👍
They were BEST for 5 years so in 6th or 7th year they are still as good as they were for those 5 years ..? :) Newer modell won't make them work any worse :p I that that from camera market - when the new camera model comes out suddenly old one start taking sh**** pictures ;p
You are correct. The problem is that the innovation has been hit and miss. A lot of the innovation is later abandoned because it didn't work out. Nevertheless... it seems like they try more than Shimano.
I just got the 2022 stella fk. in the store, I was using the 2018 exist. and I was very impressed. I returned the 2022 Stella and I'm gonna probably get the 2022 exist
Apologies for reposting the video but i published a very bad version by mistake. I can't these two reels in a botched up video. That video will be on my channel forever. Hope u understand.
I will give away a reel tomorrow, Sunday, from the comments of this video. Make sure to post if u read this : )
No one's perfect in this imperfect youtube realm. Great vid keep up the good job
@@ifishcatfish will be Interesting to see how the new 22 versions stackup again
In my own experience, I know that as the reel gets older- the Shimano line lay still holds better on line filling in the spool. The line is straight and very compact.
how could the line lay ever change? Unless u wear the entire oscillation worm or locomotive gear inside.. But thats hard.
@@ifishcatfish if you observe carefully the Daiwa spools have a small taper on the neck of their spools. The Shimano has a straight spool. Also the Shimano has always had a tighter line lay in the oscillation. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Daiwa's- I have a Saltiga Expedition 5500, Saltiga 4500, an Exist, Certate, Ballistic, Theory, and even the new Luvias Airity. All their line lay will have that taper as the line builds in the spool. But my Stella 3000 and Vanquish 2000 have a better line lay compared to all of these- lol!!!
Well..I guess call me a Daiwa fanboy! I would take the Exist! Good review Victor and thanks for reposting this! 👍
I own both and you're right. The Exist feels smoother at home but in practice the Stella is just... better and feels smoother. On top of that - and something seriously to factor in - Daiwa's customer service is absolute garbage and Shimano's is amazing.
agree on customer service. Daiwa goes out of their way to make sure u cant find parts to fix anything yourself
I own the exist 18. First day using it was June 30, 2023 and I caught my PB bass in a neighboring lake. All I can say is it did exceptionally well, especially the drag.
I prefer my two 1000 Stella's on my two Loomis IMX rods. Diawa don't last as long as Shimano's over time, that's a proven fact. I have both and not loyal to either company.
I bought two Stella's for bragging rights. Most people can get a Stradic 1000 HG upgrade to all bearings and be just as happy which I also have and done love them equally.
bearings upgrades have the biggest bias in the world. People love them because they did the upgrade and they want them to be better. But if i give you two of my vanfords, one with bearings instead of bushings, and ask you to tell the difference? Usually the stock reel actually feels smoother. Disassembly always adds some free play and noise
@@ifishcatfish I agree with you. But after time you can tell the difference and under load you can tell a difference between a bearing and a bushing. Bushings wear out faster being brass or plastic.
What I do is a step further. I shim everything on the reel. When I'm done, not only does it feel tight and smooth, but there is absolutely no play anywhere in the handle, or the rotor or the bail. That you can feel the difference and yes I can tell the difference.
I can’t over state how accurate your review is , on paper the Daiwa is superior with its bigger main gear & tighter tolerances . Plus they look great but it doesn’t translate to a better experience on the water. I have a Luvias airity which is pretty much a exist minus a few inconsequential difference and I have to say… I’m a bit disappointed, I’m thinking of repurposing it to saltwater inshore use. I should of bought a vanquish 😭.back to shimano for me.
Honestly I think that you make the best reel reviews.
Two words " tackle advisor "
thank you!
Love content like this, unfortunately there just isn't enough of it on CZcams (at least not on English) 😆 great stuff mate, I'm always looking forward to your videos!
You know you can use CC for auto generated translations for russian videos?
Finally the clash of the titans! Great breakdown of both reels!
I love both brands as well, but I am a cheap freak. I love cheap gear that has the most value. One of my favorite reels are Shimano Sienna FG.
I catch huge fish on affordable reels. Not even guides use such expensive reels. I love ultra light gear for bait fishing only could care less about the bells and whistles. If you cry about looks and drag clickers I got news for you overtime if you catch lots of fish the reel starts to get scuffed the clicker starts to wear out bearing start to make noise gears stop being smooth but the memories, pictures, and videos are far more valuable
good post
Sienna is a great value, just like the legalis. Not as good as legalis, but at that price point is hard to beat
Great comparison! Thanks 🙏🏻 for reposting the “better” video.
there you go!
This was a brilliant break down of the 2 reels.
lets say 'fair'..
This is a great review
Thank you!
I appreciate how honest and blunt you are 😂
thanks Tom
To most of us, the Stella is like the dream reel. Maybe not in terms of specs, but when you look at the design and its price, its seems like something unattainable. I wonder how Shimano will follow it up in the next generation. Daiwa is on top of the game and always releasing new reels, so I’m not surprised the exist is more refined as you said.
i have a good job and can probably buy one if not both of them, but i would feel so guilty for throwin so much money
@@ifishcatfish yeah I could afford one too, but I just refuse to buy anything more expensive than the tatula line up for now. My kage which is basically a tatula is the most expensive daiwa reel I own, mostly because everything above is just bells and whistles. As you said, in a completely quiet room, you can kinda hear the difference, but on the water its a different story. I’m not saying I’ll settle for a honda, but why go out and buy a Lamborghini when a lexus will get you just as far and is more practical for most people.
Thanks for the review as always!
Usually once you do a service to a Stella and use a better grease they are quiet and just as enjoyable.
ima gona buy a stella when the new one shows up
Probably worth the wait. I hoping that they get the micro gears figured out this time to where they are just perfect. They have them really close now though.
I really appreciate the better line management of my Shimanos, glad you pointed that out. Great video as always, hope to see that video on line management soon!
PS: What reel are you giving away?
i will give away 3. And a rod. But nothing high end
Great comparison Victor.
Really enjoyed your thoughts on these two reels.
thank you for sponsoring this event! : )
If you want more even line spooling on the Daiwa, just choose a higher gear ratio. Spool flange on the Daiwa provides longer casts also.
I haven't thought of that, but i don't use high gear ratio reels any more. I guess if you reel 100 M of line on the spool with higher gear ratio you will hit the end of the spool fewer times..
As for spool, i see some intention in the design to improve casting, but Daiwas casting is not as good as Shimano in my experience.
I got two Stella 1000 both with 15lbs braid and gloomis 843s and one with imx pro 822s. Best combo ever. I catch all kind the fish with these. There isn’t anything that I can think of can beat This combo.
u should get one exist tho
Killing Me over here with the Tractor Grease remark. I agree with you though, and I think a test of various greases in various quantities would make for an excellent video or two.
i am really not in love in any grease so far. The ones that are really light don't stay on the teeth more than an hour, and the ones that stay, have a lot of resistance. But it is my dream one day i find a grease i love for UL fishing.
@@ifishcatfish Shimano Permalube i find the best for Shimano gears.Also an old Stradic runs like a dream after cleaning and lubing with Permalube ,wouldn’t even by far compare with standard grease.And it lasted for 2 years on the cogs,without any problems. I suppose that would work with Daiwa too.Best lube ever!
I would also call my self a DAIWA fanboy....got Certate 5000, Luvias Airity 3000, Legalis 2500, buying NEW 2022 Ballistic and I also own one Shimano reel - NASCI 4000 :) Exist LT is just PORN :D
Another great review! Looking forward to the 2022 model review!
me too. I think i will get one of them.. prolly the stella : )
I have seen both videos and enjoyed!
Cant go wrong with either reel but exist has the egde on smoothness. The price point puts these reels neck to neck.
Viktor, thnx for great videos.
What you prefer 18 Stella VS 21 Airity in the same size? Or 18 Exist?))))
Airity is cheaper and the same reel as rhe others
What I like in Stella,even after 3-4 years of use you can sell it easily and get back at least 400$.For Daiwa Exist after 3-4 years of using, hard to get 400$ and people don't want to buy second-hand hi end daiwa.
Both reels are easy to sell, to be honest.. Daiwas are more difficult to do maintenance on, and on old reels thats important
@@ifishcatfish agree…every year it is harder and harder to get parts for daiwa
Great video Sir
Visually the Stella is more beautiful by far and that's what I may purchase.
thats what i go by in most cases :)
Nice review, but we didn't hear Exist drag sound. I know that is in the previous video, but it would be nice to repeat here too.
i should have. The owner of the reels did not want me to mess with the drag on the Exist, he wanted it stock. It is extremely muffled, more muffled even than on Legalis. Perhaps because the spool has no cuts..
Saltigas and exists need more sizes.
Grease amount could make any reel work differently n even sound differently too.
thats true, but daiwa and shimano probably know that and are supposed to take it in consideration..
I wonder if the tractor grease will be significantly less resistant after 1 season of constant fishing.
excellent point. I believe tractor grease is better than what they put. I have used tractor grease and you are right, it will fall off the teeth and feel just fine. This is like having chewing gum on the gears that wont go away
Resistance in the new reels are much due to higher precision
thats demonstrably untrue. Unless you believe that the new Exist has lower precision that the old one. Because the new Exist definitely has lower resistance.
hola, gusto en saludar. Me podrían ayudar a entender si conviene más un certate o un exist? Hablo español y no puedo entender nada en el video, si lo escriben puedo poner el traductor. Se los agradecería mucho.
the more expensive reel is always better, if they are the same brand.
They're beautiful 😍
How about in the salt water?
Which is the king of the salt?
That would be Saltiga vs STELLA SW. They are different reels and i have never touched either of them.
Which one would you recommend me getting stella or vanquish? Thanks for the vid!
Vanquish in small size, Stella if 3000 size or bigger
The Daiwa’s bail is more beefy. The bail on most Shimano reels are thin and wimpy.
daiwa's bail is hollow. It looks beefy but its hollow. If u damage it its hard to repair
These reels would be great gifts, I don’t think I could spend that much on them…
yeah. ALso i dont think there will be anything on sale this black friday, with everything being out of stock
@@ifishcatfish still waiting on the Shimano Nasci to be in stock. I can order online but I like buying from local shops
hi! I have the stella FJ 5000XG and I don't know if is a "problem" of my reel but when you turn the reel quick and stop Instantaneously you can hear a sort of "clack" sound like two metal in contact. This is for too much free play between the handle and the crown wheel. I saw on youtube that someone solved this problem adding a washer between the two. Do you have the same problem? even if is not a problem because during fishing the noise is really low.
i dont have any 5000 size reels.. i review almost always ultralight reels..
@@ifishcatfish what about your 1000 size?
@@giuseppebevilacqua3830 no noises or issues of any kind
@@ifishcatfish even if you turn the handle fast and stop istanteneously?
That reel was sent to me by subscriber and i sent it back but i never niticed any issues in a month of normal fishing. I am not sure what strage tests you are doing, but in normal foshing i didnt see a problem..
i like both but who i pick shimano because easy to lube oil greas itself i want my reel selfservice like a baby 😂😂😂 but in mecanism in gear inside ill go daiwa MQ simple but tough inside gear same in vanstaal only bad is need a special mag seal oil if not need ill go daiwa its good gear inside system
Ваш английский акцент великолепен!
bolshoe spasibo!
The Stella is the more better Real. So short is a true Statement...
Hi!
No small freshwater spinning reels are worth over 250 300 bucks
some are worth 900
i think magseal bearing also causes resistance. i hv magseal bearing reels in baitcaster and spinning they are all smooth but with resistance. i tried changing grease but not helpful then i tried swapping magseal bearing with normal bearing that fits and it improves. oh i dunno i just guess. i love daiwa but i hate magseal bearing. i have a stella and luvias airity though they are not same size but if had to guess my vote goes to stella. i love daiwa baitcaster but spinning reels i feel comfortable with shimano.
yes, magseal adds resistance. I hate magseal too. Ima make one video just about how much i hate magseal : )
@@ifishcatfish No measurable resistance from Magseal. Has been well established. If you find a new Exist a little more heavy to turn compared to a Stella it is because of less play, higher precision.
After one month fishing the daiwa 22 exist im very happy you can see the reel on my channel bro
New stella coming! 2022 stella FK! Too bad i cant show images on CZcams.
Silver model, carbon rotor, line lay upgrade.
Should I get vanquish 4000 or Exscence 4000?
depends on what u like. I have a video comparing these 2 reels
Now 4 years later, which one has heals up after 4 years.You probably aren't beating them up on crappies either.
both reels were sent by subscriber. I just fished them 1 month..
Spot on vid Victor and on the 2min mark I knew you where going to say Daiwa is the smoother reel between the two.
The tractor grease btw is what makes the reel quiet and smooth since I experienced this first hand when I removed the factory grease on my Certate LT.
Thats the trade off to that silent buttery smoothness since the grease is thicker and as for what you said about not being able to justify the price tag on the Stella.
I absolutely agree also since there are other Shimano reels that are cheaper that can perform as well as the Stella.
Even shimano put mini tractor grease. I removed the grease from all of my vanfords, and resistance is gone, but so is the quietness. They full of all kinds of noises now. I think daiwa is afraid to have their high end reels have noises like that and packs them full of tractor grease
@@ifishcatfish yeap like what you said on your previous vid when you removed the grease on your Vanford.
Its a choice someone has to make since you will lose something to gain something.
Btw that vid also helped me fine tune my reels depending if its for finesse or for brutal applications.
Appreciate the content as always 👍
I think this flag reels are more interesting for shore jigging / saltwater
I like the exist more than stella.. looks so cool.. i owned the exist 5000xch
Love the looks of daiwa so much better
i have to agree. Daiwa always has the better looks
Superb
Exist blows the Stella away.
you blow away
@@ifishcatfish I can't help laughing when I read your comments. Very humorous. 😂
Between these two, the stella is better. Better casting and line management.
Stella
They were BEST for 5 years so in 6th or 7th year they are still as good as they were for those 5 years ..? :) Newer modell won't make them work any worse :p I that that from camera market - when the new camera model comes out suddenly old one start taking sh**** pictures ;p
they will no longer be the best though..
@@ifishcatfish true 😂 I feel this pain too 😂
I have 5 Exist and 2 Stella
do u have a girlfriend?
@@ifishcatfish You're genius of humor. 😄👍
Stella is better and cheaper man shimano is the Best man hands down
stella para siempre
Both great reels, nice video
You’re high!
tall. I'm tall.
I feel like Daiwa has been doing more innovation compared to Shimano but I like a lot of things about both reels.
You are correct. The problem is that the innovation has been hit and miss. A lot of the innovation is later abandoned because it didn't work out. Nevertheless... it seems like they try more than Shimano.
Bro. Can i have the Stella. I am too poor to own one 🙏
u and me both. This was not my reel
Stella is always better...
not always
daiwa best
horosho
@@ifishcatfish super
I just got the 2022 stella fk. in the store, I was using the 2018 exist. and I was very impressed. I returned the 2022 Stella and I'm gonna probably get the 2022 exist
was or wasnt? I dont understand what u wrote
@@ifishcatfish I felt that the 2018 exist was a bit smoother. probably more quiet.
whay reels in fish better, the Exist or Stella?