Omega Seamaster Quartz Repair
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2019
- In this video I take a Omega Seamaster quartz watch that has had substantial battery acid damage and attempt to repair it. Watch as I strip the movement back to see the extent of the damage, its horrible what acid can do and how hard it is to clean off all the train wheels.
Will I get it running again? Watch to find out!
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12-15 years ago I eBayed a quartz watch lot of a dozen movements. All new, still packaged... I think it was a watchmaker's estate sale. Paid hardly nothing for the movements, and figured they were cheap Timex-grade stuff. So, I tossed them in the parts bin. A few months I ran across them again and noticed that they were all jeweled. I checked closer and saw they were ETA #255.441movements. Discontinued, these are high-grade movements used in Omega, Longines and other name brands.
Always love to watch your honest work with true realaities of fixing tiny machines. Am also not a professional but a hobbiest so I can understand the challenges of real work. Lots of regards.
I really appreciate what you're doing I always learn a lot from you. Thank you for working on quartz watches that's what I do as a hobby and always looking forward to one of your videos on quartz watches.
It's amazing many watchmakers or watch repairers won't even touch quartz whether swiss brand or not. Too much hassle. I think you proved they just can't be bothered. Really impressive video. Top job !
I gave the vid a like. I still have an Omega Seamaster Automatic Date, but, I never had a Day/Date quartz movement in an Omega. Today, in Day/Date Watches; I have a Seico, Seconda, Breitling Chronomat, Tissot, Tag Heuer F1, Citizen Promaster Navihawk and my late wife's Rolex Oysterter Perpetual Unisex, that I bought for her on her 20th birthday having saved up 2 years salary working in the Air Force. RE
That's a beautiful quartz movement.
That's why I don't think "high end" Swiss quartz movements make that much sense, if something goes wrong you can usually just throw out the whole movement anyway. The Miyota 2035 which is basically the most widespread one costs 1€ 50 Cent or something.
It was quite the struggle, but you succeeded! Congratulations. It inspired me to pick up work on a Swiss 6 jewel quartz movement, that I presumed only needed a fresh battery. I didn't work. To be honest, I have nothing to lose. The watch is mine and I have many others. Thank you!
There is a '4 in 1' quartz tester available. Before you start stripping you connect the wires to - of the battery post and + of the base plate. If your tester gives you a 'pulse' the electronics are fine and the problem of not running is most likely in the mechanical part.
Really appreciate this quartz video because I have a Tag quartz that I need to get running. There’s no evidence of acid from a bad battery but I will know for sure when I pull the circuit board off. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us.
Having just bought my first Omega Quartz and also being a hands on type your video was a joy to watch and very interesting to learn how they tick 😊,thanks so much it’s encouraging and gives enough confidence to have a go yourself if theirs a problem.
I bought mine from eBay from Japan ,I think it’s an eighties watch so it was a huge gamble ,thankfully it is working perfectly so am so pleased to finally own a classic Omega quartz watch . Keep up the good work here and thankyou .
It's a lovely watch and I think it is worth all that extra work. Now I'm going have another look at my wife's non-functioning Omega Deville Quartz. Thanks for the excellent video.
Well done! - Patience payed off :-) - I have a Citizen Quartz that's not running, and I think I'll probably face some of the same issues, so nice to watch your approach!
Thank you and good luck with the Citizen.
Great Job !, very interesting & all the better for the fact that you show the problems that all of us incur, dropping parts etc & finding parts that we are not sure where they go or what their function is. I'm ure that all of us "amateurs" appreciate a good "honest" video, Thanks again, Dave Webb.
Thanks for this David, yes I dont see the point in editing out my mistakes. I am not pretending to be anything else other than a hobbyist with a bit of an obsession but also wanting to help others already in the hobby or to inspire more to pick up the tools and have a go.
Thanks Mike. Interested to follow your troubleshooting and impressed by your perserverance.
Good job Mike as usual, it's a handsome watch!. Nice to see it alive! Again!. Adrian Birkett 🍀
Little trick I learnd to prevent slips, insted of trying to support the scru driver with your fingers, use your tweezers, it gives you a muche better grip and vision. Your fingers are out of the way. Hope that helps in future
Great job, very interesting, much patience on display 😎
I’ve rebuilt a couple ETA 955.12 movements and I’ve always been impressed with the quality & accuracy of them
Hello sir good morning.
I’d be grateful to you if you could help me with your experience about an issue i incurred while working on omega cal 1378 (ETA 210.001) i have put everything perfectly checking every other step, however when i installed the battery it worked for a few mint and stoped
I changed the battery with a new one and it all the same “works 3 to 4 minutes after setting the time then stops until I pull the crown to reset the time again”
I don’t really have the experience to tell why I started the whole watch world about a year ago.
If you could give me any advice or tips to check anything i would greatly appreciate that
It uses an ETA quartz movement, an Omega sister company from Swatch group, also Bulova, Tissot, Tag, Longines, Breitling, almost all quartz luxury watches uses ETA movements.
By the way, if the battery was an Alkaline one, the leak is a Base not an Acid. You can clean with ascorbic acid, or vinegar.
No! some QUARTZ LUXURY WATCHES also use Ronda movement.
@@vla8398 well, not really. Tag heuer is kind of not a luxury watch.
Another beautiful job 🙂👍
Very art decor looking dial. Very nice!
Fantastic video!
Thank you for presentation and insight into digital watch repair, lot to think about to succeed, well done! Enjoyed your Seiko collection review v much, those 70's watches are a wonder, stopped me in my tracks from buying a Seiko Sarb.
Great job Sir. My Mate Vince recommended you...
I'd say you are above amateur level... Great watch to fix. Even if it is a quartz, an Omega Seamaster is still nice...
I've modded a few watches... I struggle mightily with the hand replacement... People complain about crystal replacements on Seiko Divers... Knock on wood, that has gone pretty smooth for me.... But the hands, ugh. I literally spent a week on the last hand replacement... On the way past the minute hand, the second hand, would just make the "slightest" contact with the minute hand.... And only at certain times of the day... Took several tries to fix that, with several days in between, to verify the fix.... Started to drive me a little crazy! Ugh. Much rather do a straightforward crystal, chapter ring, bezel, bezel insert.... I start playing with the hands, 2 or 3 weeks of my evenings can disappear pretty quickly....
Hello and thanks for your support. I personally have no trouble with hands and it a few minute job. use good magnification I find an optivisor best as it frees up both hands. use an appropriate hand pushing tool. presson the hour hand and check from various angles how it is seated. straight and square. Minute hand the same procedure check how parallel it is to the hour hand. hold it up to the light and look with good magnification you will see if they are touching or not. you can use the hand tool and apply slight pressure to the back of the hand and it will move the front higher by a few microns. check again against a light and turn the crown to see the hands overlap you may also feel if they are touching through the crown. Second hands can be ever so slightly bent to raise the tip a little should it fowl on the minute hand.
that was very interesting Thank you!
Just found your channel. Nice job on the watch. Sorry to hear about the flood. That must have been frustrating, but looks like you got a new setup in the end.
dsb1763 thanks. Yes the flood was a year ago this month now too, feels allot less time. All good in the end as my setup now it’s so much better. Thanks for watching and enjoy my channel
Well done indeed!👍🏼 You have extreme patience!
Thank you sir. patience yes but disappointed all the time went to waste as the only real fix was a new movement .
If the watch is a quartz.it is not a omega.
Great video, congrats!
Thank you kindly sir.
I love watching your videos
Thank you.
I loved this great perseverance amazing patience brilliant
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent vedio. Overcome all obstacles in life and mechanical and electronics. Highly impressed 👌👏👏🥃🥃🥃
Very informative thanks. Did you find out what the broken parts were underneath the dial?
thank you. the curled pointed part was the day wheel finger and is responsible for turning the day wheel at 12 to the next day. the other part was not broken but was part of the date wheel click.
Great pie pan face worth saving
SO FUN TO BE AT SUCH A MASTER LEVEL. CONRG
Great vid. My only question a year later is the original day and date disk looked to be silver, the new ETA movement had white day and date disk. Did you end up swapping the disk over in the end?
Its a good question, I didnt change the wheels over. I considered it but the movement was quite delicate dial side and I did not want to risk another breakage on a part.
Great video Mike👍
My Mate VINCE thanks Vince mate. Think this was the one you wanted to see?
@@MyRetroWatches It was Mike, I love these Omega Quartz from the 70s and 80s (thinking this might be from early to mid 80s) and it is great to be able to get the ETA alternative for a sensible price. It is a shame there wasn't a little plastic gasket film to stop the cover shorting on the circuit. Good work around though with the clear coating. Love your videos mate.
@@Mymatevince They DO make non-conductive tape that could go there. It is usually red or yellow. Thats what I thought he was gonna do. (You know- an excuse for one more tool/piece of kit!)
you probably dont give a shit but if you guys are stoned like me atm then you can stream all the new movies on instaflixxer. I've been binge watching with my girlfriend for the last few weeks xD
Love it!
Muy buen video..gracias!! Para que se vea que los buenos cuarzos también tienen arreglo..
Saludos..
gracias Senor
FINGERNAIL POLISH works very well as an insulator. Ive used it many times in the 30+ years that I have be doing electronics.
Stephen Brown great tip. I did think about that but then figured asking my wife for some would get some odd looks back from her! Thanks
Great video very informative,content camera work sound all perfection.
I am a watchaholic!
High praise indeed. thank you as I did not think this was one of my better videos so pleased it is being received well. from one watchaholic to another!
Hi have been trying to repair an old seamaster quartz similar to your video but as I was pulling out the stem. A small part came out together and I’m not sure as to where this small part belongs. After replacing the stem the stem no longer works with the date or time adjustment anymore. Any clues would be much appreciated.
Stumbled upon your vids , great content very interesting, have you much / any experience with fusee pocket watches
Martin Wyllie thank you and glad you like my content. I’ve never looked at any pocket watches so far.. I don’t want to venture down another genre as things get expensive and out of control with me when I get a new focus😂
Just a mention - "battery acid" from those little cells is actually "basic" (aka alkaline). I was just thinking, slightly acidic solution in your ultrasonic cleaner might have helped, as it would neutralize any remaining activity in the contamination. Perhaps?
This raises a good point and something I may have to try in the future. Thanks
Keep on watch-in'
I have a 1979 omega seamaster quartz 1345 movement I wonder if it could be repaired
Nice job ,tip for your camera put it on the side view with a fill in light
Thanks. This was filmed years ago. I have moved on considerably since then. Have a look at some of my more recent videos .
Hi .. dir I have same watch but time not running good.. it's moving quickly.. can you help me
What is that clock you have on your desk? It looks like the second hand is sweeping but the dial makes it hard to see. Is it regulated by Synchronous or turning fork?
It’s a Seiko battery operated transistor alarm clock. It has a smooth (ish) tick to it. Damn noisy though
Interesting insight into digital watches 👍
I have a 80s rotary which has signs of battery contamination ie corrosion products.
I am going to send it for a service, wondering if its worth repairing?
S Baines anything is worth repairing if you have memories attached to it. Quartz are not really my strong point but cleaning the board carefully with alcohol and around the battery part will help to rid of the acid leak.
It’s probably a eta or similar quartz which can be replaced quite cheaply like this Omega in this video
New 955.122 movements branded Cyma via Ebay in Spain are shown without the metal circuit board cover. A circuit board metal cover without an insulator gasket does not make sense. France Ébauches quartz movements used in Titan watches either have a plastic cover or no cover. I have heard some Swiss ETA quartz movements have short battery life and I would suspect leakage via a metal circuit board cover. The metal cover looks impressive but the circuit board would be better without it, considering possible electrical shorting and condensation leading to corrosion.
Would you be able to service a Bulova Accutron astronaut watch? I would love to get one on EBay but worried no one will touch it to service etc
Socrates Accutron are another level of complexity , the index wheel and pallet stones are the most delicate of any watch out there. They also take a special battery .
Certainly not something I would not want to take on.
So, im a bit confused. u used the old movment with the new board +old cover?
if so, why didnt u used the old movement with new board + new cover with an omega logo(24:08)?
or just use the new movement entirely ?
Szabolcs Szalasi sorry for the confusion. Yes in the end the whole movement was swapped and the cover plate fitted. I needed the circuit only as the old mainplate would have worked but if you remember there was a part for the date jumper that was broken . So rather than strip that off the new one the easiest option was to just replace the whole thing.
I know it spoils the video really but it was not until I’d filmed all the stripdown etc that you realise that the easiest and cheapest fix it to replace seeing as these ETA movements are so cheap.
Thanks for watching .
Interesting.
I am addressing this evening a Rondaquartz 1377 4th gen from 76ish so Ronda tells me, where the battery not only let go but flooded the insides but the circuit board survived without losing its traces O.o so going to strip down and clean and see if I can get this ancient Ingersoll up and running again :D
Found out why it stopped working, the very old positive flexible terminal into the stepper had sheared and the battery goo eaten into the guts of it, just dropped some battery volts to the exposed end and the stepper is haltingly but easing with each turn actually running O.o This one caused a stir in the watch forums as it had a Renata No 6 battery still inside it... Renata said it hailed from a time before their records online began and is a 70's battery lol I've kept it for posterity as in WUS, Watchrepair forums they all told me no such battery existed, its an AG12 if anyone was interested. BTW I haven't taken my Invicta Russian Diver off since I changed its Ronda 6003.b movement, abs flawless performance and finally found a watch I like that doesn't look like a 5p on a tree trunk hehe Wishing you and yours well, I am diversifying my channel into other things such as OO gauge model rail, more vintage tools, fixing my Vespa up and some jobs on the three wheel van as only so much traction with Soviet watches really although I have just nabbed a very smart Pulsar "flyback" chronograph tonite just missing its pushers and as it happens I have a dead chrono with that exact same movement so maybe that will replace the Invicta monster on my arm :)
Hi, interesting video. I would suggest buying a quartz watch tester. These are very cheap on eBay and will quickly tell you if the electronics and/or mechanical components are working without taking the watch apart.
Thank you David. I have recently been looking at them £30.00 they seem to get a bad review when I look into them though. I see they test the train wheels which is great its just that my experience is that it takes very very little to stop an analog quartz. The magnetic field between the coil and step rotor is quite small so just a few flecks of dirt is enough to stop it.
I will consider purchasing one soon on your recommendation. Thank you.
I can't speak for the longevity of them, but the one I have works as advertised. Besides being able to spin the gear train, it can detect the pulses from the coil. Between these, you can quickly work out if you have a problem with the mechanics, electronics, or both.
Nicely done. Pity the second hand no longer aligns with the face ... problem with the new non-Omega movement?
Richard T it’s was always an ETA Quartz movement inside from new that is what Omega and many other well known brands did. They did not make their own quartz circuits. Not sure what you mean about the second hand. It’s fine and aligned to the second dial markers which I made a point if saying in the video.
My Retro Watches that is what I thought (re alignment) but from the video it seems the second hand “ticks” between the numbers on the dial instead of being spot on ... of course, it could be simply the angle of the camera vs. Watchface.
I didn’t know Omega didn’t make their own quartz circuit for their movement. I’m a bit surprised to be honest,
Love the channel!
How much would a repair like this cost?
Listening to potassium hydroxide being referred to as acid over and over is a bit hard to take. It took me seconds to find out what leaks out of these batteries with a web search and it's no great surprise that alcohol didn't have much of an effect.You can do better. I have faith!
Sorry.
@@MyRetroWatches Hey, it's fine. We're all in this together. 😊
nice very nice
My deville died years ago exactly same issue. i haven't bothered to repair.
Finding in carpet is really hard WITHOUT A HUGE MAGNET. When I have flying pieces I have a 10cm magnet i pull across the floor. So far its ben pretty good to me.. Oh and then put the tiny pieces in a little tub before putting on the demagnetizer because they will fly all around. Then require you to go and get the magnet again to find them in a different part of the room. (*sigh*)
haha indeed. I have a big magnet also for this job..
eu faço exatamente isso com meu ima . me vi em situaçao identica varias vezes. e engraçado pegar tambem muita sugeira.
ola estou com um 1332. damaged. e sem conserto . mas tambem sul do Brasil tudo fica bem mais dificel
I have an Omega 1437 and trying to find out which ETA movement, the quartz board, and the plastic bezel piece that goes inside (not to mention the gasket), has been maddening to say the least. I'm not even going to mention the bloody bracelet links that don't exist in order to make the watch fit my wrist. If anybody has any information or links to places where I can find these parts it would be greatly appreciated. And if Michael would like to have another go at an Omega Seamaster Quartz, I'd be more than happy to send it your way!
Hi mike
Ive an 1970's omega seamaster hz300 with battery acid damage over the years Can you put me in touch with any who can get the quartz watch up and running
Regards terry
Contact my friend Ian Ward and tell him I sent you. warditime@wardi.co.uk
Never give up
John Pinner haha. Indeed
I have an Omega analogue-digital Multifunction watch that had water damage and does not currently work...Can I send it to you for repair?...What would the address be?
Deanna Scott I would not really want to take that on thank you. Water damage is usually fatal on a circuit board. Ana digi Watches are complex and I would not be confident. Sorry.
How much for a service like this?? Thanks
Sorry I don’t take on outside work. With this watch I changed the entire quartz movement for very little money as Omega used standard ETA movements
Hi. I have attempted to fix an Omega 1365 de ville and make a mess of it. I have lost the magnetic wheel , ruined the fine ‘antenna’ that rests on the hour/minute gear and lost the setting pinion or whatever it is called. (Green watch tinkerer is not the word). Would you be interested in having it to fix it for your Chanel. It is a lovely watch but I am ruining it amd it is not sellable now I habe ‘tinkered’ with it.
Have U noticed the second hand is a bit out of the markings.
You talk about acid, but I think the corrosive stuff is rather alkaline, which is the opposite of acid. You can neutralise the alkaline contamination with vinegar and rinse in IPA.
Yes agreed. I’ve always called it battery acid even though it’s wrong
hey can you appraise my omega deville 8816817 it would help.. idk what year model it is
Not sure why you just didn't use the new movement you purchased?
Andy B seems to be a misunderstanding here as someone else asked this too in the comments. I did use the new movement I just wanted to test the circuit in the old one for my own peace of mind that I had fitted all the train wheels correctly and to 100% rule out a mechanical failure as the culprit.
I then off camera swap it back into the new movement and it’s then that I have the issue of shorting on the Omega coverplate.
Thanks for watching and sorry for the confusion.
Understand now! Thank you!
How much, roughly, would you charge a paying customer for this repair?
MB, More saves than Gordon Banks! Great content again bro! More more...! 😆
haha. cheers mate.
Well done and a great video.
JonTheComputerDoctor thank you Jon
@@MyRetroWatches My 6119-5400 arrived from Ebay and it performs very well, If I hadn't seen yours I doubt I would have looked for one, so thanks for that.
JonTheComputerDoctor welcome to the Retro club !
@@MyRetroWatches Now looking for a decent steel version 6119-5400
JonTheComputerDoctor steel version? Email me on michael@myretrowatches.com show me what you have / what you are looking for
Conformal coating!
You keep referring to "battery acid" is if you are dealing with a car battery.
In a button cell, the electrolytes are almost always alkaline, not acidic. (potassium hydroxide mainly)
Even in old mercury cells this was the case (sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide )
To be sure these are corrosive to an extent for metals and they won't do electronics any good either, but it isn't the same sort of damage as if you had acid running around in the watch.
Since the wires of the coil are covered in a lacquer that works as an insulating mantle, you have to be extremely lucky to cover the two ends of a break in such a fine wire with that paint AND manage to electrically connect those two points.
Slapping on some more paint to make that happen ( and you could very well succeed) will change the inductance of the coil and the can take the quartz oscillator out of resonance. (ie it stops)
In industry / production , "improvements" are seldom the motor of change .... the only thing that I know of that drives this is : cost-cutting.
Gluing a chip directly on the pcb and silkscreen some traces on it with conductive ink is a damned sight cheaper than using a properly housed chip on an etched pcb ! (that appears to be the difference between the old and the new circuit)
If you come across this again, there are special coatings (easily to be had in electronics outlets) that are a lot better suited to cover a pcb to shield it then regular clear-coat.
Paddy
Paddy well yes just a slang term. Either way a leaky battery in any watch is lethal
@9:29 Why does the original date disc have the English weekdays twice? I would expect seeing two different languages, such as English and French.
Otto Otto Eisenbrot at 30.32 you see the new module in two languages
Need to line up the second hand with the markers. That would annoy me immensely.
Good work though!
indeed you were not the only one to say this. I didnt see it at the time. too busy talking when filming... It was picked up later though thankfully.
Try an electric toothbrush on it :)
ETA 2789
Is this machine of ETA
Interesting 🤓🤓🤓🤓
:)
I think miss aligned hands on a watch annoys anyone into watches. A universal annoyance.
using metal tweezers to install hands is almost guaranteed to make micro scratched on polished hands and risks the dial. Not the end of the world but also completely unnecessary!
I’ve fitted 100s of hands since this video all with Dumont tweezers and never scratched anything that I’ve seen. It’s also about the feel and touch. I have a very light touch with tweezers plus I’m confident after using the same pair for years. I do take your point and I do have carbon fibre and brass tweezers for some jobs but still the steel ones are my go to.
@@MyRetroWatches it’s ok to be a hobbyist and to accept to show your process and I really appreciate that. However this is just not good practice, and part of this hobby in my opinion it to constantly improve and refine one’s process
you buy crap from e-bay ,, at luxury prices???
good ...for you
Dont understand your comment. This was a customers watch, all I bought was a new movement.