My 66 GTO had the 428 H.O. engine with a 4 speed manual 12 bolt 4:10:1 posi. Original engine was swapped out. Best thing that ever happened. Outstanding performance & never a breakdown & good mileage when driven proper. Loved that car. Best one I ever had. Pontiac used to make some awesome rides. Too bad it's all gone.
You sir are owning a piece of muscle car history that not many will ever understand to appreciate as the millennial generation has seen things where it is nothing but battery operated vehicles. This car is in great shape for it's age.
You're absolutely right;This is basically the equivilant to a 67 SS427(not impala).It even has fender louvers to set it apart from other pontiacs.You have found a really cool example of the 2+2...This one has a 4spd. rare,rare,rare.
I saw one of these recently at the Pontiacs at Pigeon Forge last month. Black w/black vinyl top, blue interior. Very rare. Thanks for sharing this one!
I found one of those in a used car lot, back when it was probably nine or ten years old, blue rag top, don't remember if it had the same rims, I talked my way into a test drive...man I wanted it.... but I was only 15 years old and I couldn't get dad onboard with the deal, think I remember they wanted three fifty $ for it, had some light whiskey dents but it was worth it. Never seen one in the wild sense. Nice car and hard to find 👍👌🏁
@@DezzysSpeedShop hey the guy let me test drive it, with him riding along of course, Man I wanted that Pontiac! But I didn't have enough money, ended up with a 67 390 mustang coupe about five years later 🏁
I remember an aunt that drove a Catalina with some honking V8. My uncle and Grandpa were checking it out. I was about 8. Me and Grandpa were impressed with the burnout.
A young friend of mine dad had one navy blue back in the day,a 4 speed also and it could light em up. We knew back then that car was special because you hardly ever saw one.
I had a convertible version of this car, but in Canada our 2+2 was a sporty version on the Parisienne model. Our Canadian Pontiacs were built on Chevrolet chassis and drivetrains, and our 2+2s always had bucket seats, console, fender "gills" and "V8" fender emblems.
I had a Canadian Parisienne 2+2 with a 385 horse 427 automatic. This was ‘84. I bought it out of a snow bank in someone’s front lawn for &400.00 and took it home, cleaned it up and sold it for $800.00 Took 3 months to sell it even though I lived on a road close to a drag strip. At the time no one saw the value. The car was super solid, buckets, power windows posi and an air cleaner with a chrome lid and stubby 4” X 11” snorkel. Good working car that could really lay rubber down.
I have the Kelsey - Hayes on my 62 GranPrix expensive option for the day, and the cars were Originally known as Catalina 2+2s, Mom had a blue 65 that was a 421 w/2x4s and a 4spd. It Surprised quite a few youngsters when I was a kid.😉
Just beautiful, love those full-size GM muscle cars.Love the full gauge package, and where else do you see engine badges on the console AND the core support?! Excellent video, Dezzy, thanks.
Some of the coolest wheels ever. integrated drum, I was acquainted with a guy who had a 2+2 convertible. He claimed the convertible was quicker because the folded down top added weight over the back wheels for better traction with skinny tires.
You really appreciate how rare this car is when you break down the cost options...That $226 for the 4 speed is equal to about $2100 The 2 plus 2 option for $420 is about 4k today...the 428 option and aluminum rims for about $120 translate to $1200 each The power windows, console along with power steering for around $100 each would be a $1000 each today...totaling around 11K just in options and that isn't all of them just the big ones. We look at window stickers and see how cheap it was...but that car would be about 45K today with the 15K worth of options it would have had
Had a buddy buy one of these engines out of a wrecked car and puts it in a 55 Chevy talk about a cruiser that thing would run a hundred on the freeway all day long ! Never did find out the top speed got scary up around 125 but she was still pulling ! Haha
my aunt loved pontiacs she had a 2+2 with those rims with lugs next to tires instead of middle of rim , someone stole a rim off it and it took her a few months to find one she sold it because of rare rims but that car was great fast car it was maroon i wish i had it or her 65 gto
i am sixty six saw one when i was a kid a man down the road owned it . us kid's thought of it as a lead sled but little did we know what it was . beautiful car
4:25 I'm in Canada 😊 But I'm not old enough to have witnessed the uniquely Canadian Pontiacs of the 50s and 60s when they were new. Besides their Chevy frames and engines, they sure had some weird model names AND engine monikers. Astro Flash, Econo Flame, etc. I just read that early Parisiennes could even be ordered with the Corvette Ramjet fuel injection! I had a 63 Impala 2D HT project car in 99 and apparently up here they came with a stronger "Canadian" frame (possibly just a convertible frame?) Anyway, cool car!
Wow, this is one intelligent guy. He knows his shit! Refreshing, honestly. Love this survivor Catalina 2+2. Beauty. Whoever ordered it did a perfect job with the equipment. I might have ordered front disc brakes, but then you couldn't get those wheels. Maybe the Rally IIs were out? I don't know...
A Q Ship might be fun on a cruise . Definitely comfortable if your had one at work like highway patrol or You were Jackie Gleason you might catch Burt Reynolds. Smoky and the Bandit.
Your walk arounds are fun to watch. Good info too. We called this the fat fastback. That rear end looked fat, (wide), especially with those taillight's.
They made 428 for GTOs but here's the thing about it they were experimental motors. My brother got his hands on one back years ago when I was just a little kid He pinned it into a 68 Chevelle the car was an SS 396 red with the black stripe He stripped that car and painted it jet black put the 428 experimental motor down in there in place of the 396 Rumor has it my oldest brother without driving the car add a dual quad hemi cuda pulled up next to him They were getting it on pretty good from stoplight to stoplight I think my brother might have missed the shift or something about the plug wires one of the plug wires popped off at high RPM add the motor took a bearing spin But that is the factual it was an experimental 428 from the factory for the GTO
I had a 67 gp convertible with 8 lug wheels. Always new brake pads if you get one. I had a Volkswagen steel plate with 8 holes/ 5 in the center, to hold the rim so new tires could be put on it. Otherwise it had to be done with brute strength & greased leverage.
Thought you could still get the tri pack saw one the that had dual fours at a car show . They were beasts most individuals wanted the GTO . That car gets a full restoration it’s worth it . The prices of vehicles are down unless it is rare .
@@DezzysSpeedShop Yes your right the 66 Gto was the last year of the tri pack they had problems with the tri pack . Nice vehicle to drive anywhere when restored . The 4 speed and all the bells and whistles make that a nice car .
Nice vid Dez. You actually could get a GTO with this engine back then but few cared to because of the expense. They were " Royal Bobcat GTO's" with the 428. They had a limited production. But from the get (factory spec/optioned) no, you couldn't purchase this engine in the GTO.
@@DezzysSpeedShop Right! but tbh I get kinda sad because 81' on, Pontiac's were nothing more than reskined Chevys (82'-02' Trans Ams for ex). At least Olds still had their 307 for a while. Buick had their famed V6's (later turning into the Supercharged 3800). Great channel, I'll be watching in the future.
There was a 421 CID that had larger valves than 389. It think these heads are the same as the 428 H.O. Combustion chambers were the same size as the 389.
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My brother knows more about it than I do I was only like five at the time if you need more info I'll try to get ahold of him but yeah they did make 428 they were only in a couple of the GTOs
How interesting, how much money was worth it in those days Average median house price in US was about $20 grand and today is say $400 grand, which has gone up by 20 times in average. He basically paid a $100 grand of todays money and didn't hold back on all options. No wonder, wife could stay home raise 3-4 kids and dad could put a deposit on a house, support his family, when he came home roast lamb and cold beers was on the table, go on a regular summer family vacations and put the kids through a college.
I saw a 67 Bonneville 4 door convertible with a 428 6 barrel and it had AC, pw and all kinds of option although it was an auto, I've always liked sleepers.
The 428 and 421 were why Smokey Yunick quit Pontiac. They had 3.25 main bearing crankshafts. The parasitic loss was much more than the 3 inch main that Smokey disliked too. The Ford FEs had 2.75 mains and were the fastest inline valve wedges ever made.
My 66 GTO had the 428 H.O. engine with a 4 speed manual 12 bolt 4:10:1 posi. Original engine was swapped out. Best thing that ever happened. Outstanding performance & never a breakdown & good mileage when driven proper. Loved that car. Best one I ever had. Pontiac used to make some awesome rides. Too bad it's all gone.
You sir are owning a piece of muscle car history that not many will ever understand to appreciate as the millennial generation has seen things where it is nothing but battery operated vehicles. This car is in great shape for it's age.
I’m a millennial and all I own are classic cars
You're absolutely right;This is basically the equivilant to a 67 SS427(not impala).It even has fender louvers to set it apart from other pontiacs.You have found a really cool example of the 2+2...This one has a 4spd. rare,rare,rare.
I couldn’t wait to show you guys this
In Canada you could get 409s, 427s, 454s in your Pontiac!
I am a staunch 1970-'72 2 door C body Plymouth/Chrysler guy, but this is an absolutely gorgeous 'ole muscle car, to be sure!
I saw one of these recently at the Pontiacs at Pigeon Forge last month. Black w/black vinyl top, blue interior. Very rare. Thanks for sharing this one!
I found one of those in a used car lot, back when it was probably nine or ten years old, blue rag top, don't remember if it had the same rims, I talked my way into a test drive...man I wanted it.... but I was only 15 years old and I couldn't get dad onboard with the deal, think I remember they wanted three fifty $ for it, had some light whiskey dents but it was worth it. Never seen one in the wild sense. Nice car and hard to find 👍👌🏁
That would have been a lot of car for 15-year-old lol
@@DezzysSpeedShop hey the guy let me test drive it, with him riding along of course, Man I wanted that Pontiac! But I didn't have enough money, ended up with a 67 390 mustang coupe about five years later 🏁
I remember an aunt that drove a Catalina with some honking V8. My uncle and Grandpa were checking it out. I was about 8. Me and Grandpa were impressed with the burnout.
. Those OEM GM 1960's Pontiac 8 Lug Wheels Set w/ Brake Drums are a rare thing.
A young friend of mine dad had one navy blue back in the day,a 4 speed also and it could light em up. We knew back then that car was special because you hardly ever saw one.
Yea he gave me a ride and this thing pulls hard!
That's a cool looking pontiac very nice 👌
My dad had a 1963 Pontiac Grand Prix. I remember those wheels as an option listed as "Aluminum hubs and brake drums". Great looking wheels.
I had a convertible version of this car, but in Canada our 2+2 was a sporty version on the Parisienne model. Our Canadian Pontiacs were built on Chevrolet chassis and drivetrains, and our 2+2s always had bucket seats, console, fender "gills" and "V8" fender emblems.
I had a Canadian Parisienne 2+2 with a 385 horse 427 automatic. This was ‘84. I bought it out of a snow bank in someone’s front lawn for &400.00 and took it home, cleaned it up and sold it for $800.00
Took 3 months to sell it even though I lived on a road close to a drag strip. At the time no one saw the value. The car was super solid, buckets, power windows posi and an air cleaner with a chrome lid and stubby 4” X 11” snorkel.
Good working car that could really lay rubber down.
nice cars real rare these days...thx for putting it up for us to see!
Love those '60s Pontiacs, especially the '67s ! You picked up a real gem ! Have fun and thanks for sharing !
Thanks for watching! I’ll have a ride along video soon
Damn man, that is beautiful!
My 67!Buick Rivera has Aluminum Rotors & a 430 Wildcat
A classic with character are sweet .
That might also be the coolest treatment of over and under headlights as well!!
I have the Kelsey - Hayes on my 62 GranPrix expensive option for the day, and the cars were Originally known as Catalina 2+2s, Mom had a blue 65 that was a 421 w/2x4s and a 4spd. It Surprised quite a few youngsters when I was a kid.😉
Pontiac 2+2 convertible. Sweet ride.
Just beautiful, love those full-size GM muscle cars.Love the full gauge package, and where else do you see engine badges on the console AND the core support?! Excellent video, Dezzy, thanks.
Thanks for watching man. I figured you guys would appreciate it.
Some of the coolest wheels ever. integrated drum, I was acquainted with a guy who had a 2+2 convertible. He claimed the convertible was quicker because the folded down top added weight over the back wheels for better traction with skinny tires.
Imagine these cars with slicks though 😈
That’s a really nice 2+2. Those 428HO motors were torque machines. I like the 65 Impala in the background. One of the most beautiful cars ever made.
The 350 400 428 and 455 were all the same block it would fit.
But it wasn’t available in the GTO at all
I had a 326 in a 69 firebird. Shoulda coulda woulda put a cop car 455 in it
You really appreciate how rare this car is when you break down the cost options...That $226 for the 4 speed is equal to about $2100 The 2 plus 2 option for $420 is about 4k today...the 428 option and aluminum rims for about $120 translate to $1200 each The power windows, console along with power steering for around $100 each would be a $1000 each today...totaling around 11K just in options and that isn't all of them just the big ones. We look at window stickers and see how cheap it was...but that car would be about 45K today with the 15K worth of options it would have had
Yea the owner didn’t care about being frugality 😂
Had a buddy buy one of these engines out of a wrecked car and puts it in a 55 Chevy talk about a cruiser that thing would run a hundred on the freeway all day long ! Never did find out the top speed got scary up around 125 but she was still pulling ! Haha
I like it. It's unique. interior 🔥
He gave me a ride in this thing has so much torque!
Great back seat for the drive in. A drive in is about as rare as the car.
I'm not a Pontiac man, but this one l would like to possess.
I AM I LOVE, WOW WHAT A CAR, WHAT A SURVIVOR, THANKS FOR SHARING Dezzy awesome short video review.
my aunt loved pontiacs she had a 2+2 with those rims with lugs next to tires instead of middle of rim , someone stole a rim off it and it took her a few months to find one she sold it because of rare rims but that car was great fast car it was maroon i wish i had it or her 65 gto
BEAST !
i am sixty six saw one when i was a kid a man down the road owned it . us kid's thought of it as a lead sled but little did we know what it was . beautiful car
Best Pontiac of all time, find photos of one customized, they are super cool
Oh yeah, a tweak here and there, and this car is ready to run shine !
Well how about that. A Tacoma car! :) I think the 2+2 and the Parisienne were my favorite full size muscle cars.
Those Parisienne’s I had some wild engine combinations of their own
Love the fact it has a 4 spd.
Gorgeous Pontiac boss!!
4:25 I'm in Canada 😊 But I'm not old enough to have witnessed the uniquely Canadian Pontiacs of the 50s and 60s when they were new. Besides their Chevy frames and engines, they sure had some weird model names AND engine monikers. Astro Flash, Econo Flame, etc. I just read that early Parisiennes could even be ordered with the Corvette Ramjet fuel injection!
I had a 63 Impala 2D HT project car in 99 and apparently up here they came with a stronger "Canadian" frame (possibly just a convertible frame?)
Anyway, cool car!
Yea it’s interesting what they did up there. The Canadian frames are boxed like convertibles and are highly coveted
That is nice, I had a rear 1965 Grand Prix with a EXP 421 high compression engine,
Wow, this is one intelligent guy. He knows his shit! Refreshing, honestly. Love this survivor Catalina 2+2. Beauty. Whoever ordered it did a perfect job with the equipment. I might have ordered front disc brakes, but then you couldn't get those wheels. Maybe the Rally IIs were out? I don't know...
What would be the advantage of disk brakes
Fantastic car
I dig it. I have a 66 ford 2+2 Mustang fastback. 289 cid.
Now that’s a cool car!
That’s a Bad Ass Ride
In 1969 the standard 428 in the GP put out 370hp and the 428 HO put out 380hp.
A Q Ship might be fun on a cruise . Definitely comfortable if your had one at work like highway patrol or You were Jackie Gleason you might catch Burt Reynolds. Smoky and the Bandit.
Your walk arounds are fun to watch. Good info too.
We called this the fat fastback. That rear end looked fat, (wide), especially with those taillight's.
Had a '67 with 400ci and 3.31 gears. Flew on the highways but at 60mph cruise it got 19mpg. Not bad for 4400lb car.
What a bitchin car!!!
Nice car, for sure!
Cool ride 😎
THIS engine should have, which cost in been available in the GTO. MYRTLE motors had them available in Firebirds fpr a todays equivalent $ 50k.
Sweet dezzy 👌💪💪💪
They made 428 for GTOs but here's the thing about it they were experimental motors. My brother got his hands on one back years ago when I was just a little kid
He pinned it into a 68 Chevelle the car was an SS 396 red with the black stripe
He stripped that car and painted it jet black put the 428 experimental motor down in there in place of the 396
Rumor has it my oldest brother without driving the car add a dual quad hemi cuda pulled up next to him
They were getting it on pretty good from stoplight to stoplight
I think my brother might have missed the shift or something about the plug wires one of the plug wires popped off at high RPM add the motor took a bearing spin
But that is the factual it was an experimental 428 from the factory for the GTO
That’s so cool. You don’t see those anywhere like that.
I've heard those 8 lug Pontiac wheels go for a thousand bucks a piece.
I wouldn’t doubt it
that is sweet.
I had a 67 gp convertible with 8 lug wheels. Always new brake pads if you get one. I had a Volkswagen steel plate with 8 holes/ 5 in the center, to hold the rim so new tires could be put on it. Otherwise it had to be done with brute strength & greased leverage.
White car a friend of mine got one like that in Arizona but I don't think he ever restored it❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Nice find. Cool car. Seems you know your Ponchos. Did you mention the rear gear ratio? 3.55? 3.90s?
Thought you could still get the tri pack saw one the that had dual fours at a car show . They were beasts most individuals wanted the GTO . That car gets a full restoration it’s worth it . The prices of vehicles are down unless it is rare .
You could not get Tri-power on it in 1967
@@DezzysSpeedShop Yes your right the 66 Gto was the last year of the tri pack they had problems with the tri pack .
Nice vehicle to drive anywhere when restored . The 4 speed and all the bells and whistles make that a nice car .
The Bonneville rules
I would like to race it
He gave me a ride and this thing pulls hard
Nice vid Dez. You actually could get a GTO with this engine back then but few cared to because of the expense. They were " Royal Bobcat GTO's" with the 428. They had a limited production. But from the get (factory spec/optioned) no, you couldn't purchase this engine in the GTO.
They did what Yenko did
@@DezzysSpeedShop Right! but tbh I get kinda sad because 81' on, Pontiac's were nothing more than reskined Chevys (82'-02' Trans Ams for ex). At least Olds still had their 307 for a while. Buick had their famed V6's (later turning into the Supercharged 3800). Great channel, I'll be watching in the future.
👍👍
Of all the Poncho motors, the 421 was the best!
There was a 421 CID that had larger valves than 389. It think these heads are the same as the 428 H.O. Combustion chambers were the same size as the 389.
What is up with the steering wheel? 👀 Kool
GM had a weight to cubic inch restriction back then. GTO and Firebird could only get a 400 because it was under 4000 lbs
Should get the rust taken care of soon ..
It’s 57 years old. It’ll be fine.
It looks like code L Mariner Turquoise.
Nice lines, nice cruiser, nice stance plus a 4 speed...Dont like the brake setup though...
Did anything have rear buckets other than Tbird and Gen 1 Chargers?
SORRY FOR THE LINES .. ?????
How did you even do that lol
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How many of these power trains were harvested for Firebirds and GTOs
There weren’t many made, but I bet most of them met that fate
the eight lug wheels are a giveaway
You could get those without this engine
@@DezzysSpeedShop the older 2+2s came with the 421...
Wide track Pontiacs will scoot down the road at 120 MPH all day long.
My brother knows more about it than I do I was only like five at the time if you need more info I'll try to get ahold of him but yeah they did make 428 they were only in a couple of the GTOs
You could’ve ordered one as a crate engine like Royal Pontiac did
@@DezzysSpeedShop as soon as I find out more about the car that it came out of I'll let you know but I know that it came out of a GTO I think a 68
How interesting, how much money was worth it in those days
Average median house price in US was about $20 grand and today is say $400 grand, which has gone up by 20 times in average. He basically paid a $100 grand of todays money and didn't hold back on all options.
No wonder, wife could stay home raise 3-4 kids and dad could put a deposit on a house, support his family, when he came home roast lamb and cold beers was on the table, go on a regular summer family vacations and put the kids through a college.
She bought it and she was a single person working
@@DezzysSpeedShop Thank you for the info,
I am more impressed now. what a girl.
Looking forward to see the ride along video. Cheers
Beautiful car. 3 miles to the gallon?
You don’t worry about that in a car such as this
for sale?
I saw a 67 Bonneville 4 door convertible with a 428 6 barrel and it had AC, pw and all kinds of option although it was an auto, I've always liked sleepers.
Cast iron headers.
The 428 and 421 were why Smokey Yunick quit Pontiac. They had 3.25 main bearing crankshafts. The parasitic loss was much more than the 3 inch main that Smokey disliked too. The Ford FEs had 2.75 mains and were the fastest inline valve wedges ever made.
I have a 67 catalina fastback full power not a 2+2tho
How much for the 2+2?
I have a 67 Grand Prix.
What a ugly Pontiac design
How much for the green car