Metro C Line (Green) Extension to Torrance - Project Update January 2021
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- Metro has a plan to make it easier to get around, which includes dozens of projects to improve public transit in LA County. Currently in planning stages, the C Line (Green) Extension to Torrance is proposed to extend light rail service to connect more of the South Bay. This project is beginning the environmental review process to study two alternatives, or potential routes. Provide your comments to inform future study during the scoping period, January 29 to March 29, 2021. Connect to the project at www.metro.net/clineext
Also, metro doesn't talk about the most important part of these stations....ZONING
Its not enough to build these stations. You need to build walkable and bikeable towns around these stations. There is enough Land in Torrance to achieve it.
It should be about getting into your car to drive to these stations. These stations should be places that people are living at. And they should be highly dense with very little need for cars.
Metro has been encouraging development along their transit corridors though I'm not sure what Metro has authority over vs the local cities when it comes to zoning issues. That might be more up to the local city governments.
They don’t mention it because they don’t control zoning, call out your local government! Mixed use dense development is Great
This is the wrong end of the C/Green Line to extend. A glaring oversight ever since it was built, the C/Green Line needs to meet Metrolink at the Norwalk/Santa Fe Springs station. A one station extension to the east to connect to Metrolink is much more important than this.
That need to happen first before ANYTHING ELSE.
Um Metro wasnt built with YOUR needs in mind. Wasnt built with any of us in mind. Otherwise, they'd have given us more than 1 new rail line, busway line, & 2 extensions completed since Measure R/M in 2008.
So money was voted for in 2008 and there is still no extension in 2022? So you are voting to spend your money on something YOU will probably not get to use because it won’t be finished in your lifetime. The government ruins everything.
Nope
This was due to a lawsuit by the City of Norwalk, so there's not much they can do.
Keep it elevated!!
Having it street level would cost less money
@@capuiakidyt7572 yes that is true.
@@capuiakidyt7572 yeah but that will cost how good the serves will be. if the train is street level it will stop the train at crossings, be less safe with people and cars in the way, and slow the train down making people feel that its still better to drive then taking the train.
Needs to go to Norwalk ASAP
I prefer the Redondo Beach Transit Center route over South Bay Galleria route.
Right. Who knows if galleria’s/malls will even be a thing by then
That route may interfere with peoples life in their homes nearby. Some people don't want noise all the time.
Well i guess it is a reasonable route because that stop is only like a 3 min walk to the South Bay Galleria
I passed by it before for work, even during this pandemic and it is still busy corridor. South Bay even did renovations along with Del amo and are still really popular destinations for shopping.
THANK YOU FOR THE FREE RIDES METRO! 😅
Can you Extend The C Line (Green) Further South Bay To San Pedro and Long Beach Palos Verdes Beaches and Orange County Beaches Please
I think the plan is eventually to San Pedro following old ROW train tracks. I could also see it connecting at one point to the Blue Line in Long Beach, but anything having to do with Orange County probably won't happen. They have their own transit authority and they seem to favor freeways over public transit rail of any kind.
That will take 30 years.
Extend the Eastern terminus of the C line to the Norwalk Santa Fe Springs Metrolink station. I commute from Fullerton to Long Beach. People seriously need this extension.
It would be amazing to extend the green line east as well into orange county connecting the theme parks Knotts and Disneyland and maybe ending at Angel Stadium and Honda Center but I guess they would have to work with OC to make it happen.
A one line Anaheim to LAX ride would be amazing!
Green C line stations need noise protection!! The freeway stations actively damage passenger hearing and calmness
Yeah, the ones that sit under an overpass, like Vermont & 110 stations
They should install those plexiglass barriers at the stations I've seen on some Metro stations in Europe. That should help with the noise from the freeways. I think in Europe they have them for security reasons, but I could see them work for both security and sound.
Why repost?
So excited for this extension. I think the one that runs along the train track would make the most sense and have the least impact. Sounds cheaper too.
And it could probably be constructed quicker too.
The RB transit center would only have a 3-5 min walk to the mall
Needs more stops especially if it’s a light rail to fully serve the needs of locals residents. Based on this presentation it seems as if they’re thinking of this as a regional or commuter line.
they wanted to build a station in lawndale but decided against it because of the local opposition, they should add a stop at hawthorne and 190th and align it on the ROW because then they wouldn't have to close parts of hawthorne while they build it
I really do hope that they do the BNSF ROW in the end purely from a cost mitigation POV. That said I have very little faith that metro will stick to their guns and not give into the vocal minority, so we'll probably see the Hawthorne Blvd ROW.
Is the right of way wide enough for two light rail tracks and one freight track?
Plus the locals will demand noise mitigation. It might not end up cheaper.
@@jamesparson Thats what I am wondering now. Someone on twitter mentioned that the BNSF would want to maintain trackage Rights through the area and I am not sure how it would be done. I mainly know the ROW near Torrance. I mean, it may be possible but IDK. I know for me the major concern of the Hawthorne Blvd Alignment is the delays from street running, which wouldn't be required on the ROW
@@btomimatsucunard Of course street running might be closer to areas that can be redeveloped.
Just for the record, I have not strong preference either way. I want to see the cost differential and the overall speed differential.
Also I live closer to the where the C (Green) Line would connect to Metrolink. That will be a complicated project.
And it would probably be faster to build too.
I dont get the hate for the hawthorne route- it would actually be more useful and can really bring some needed foot traffic to the gallleria area.
I realize aerial and underground crossings adds a significant amount to the construction costs but at grade crossings are inefficient and dangerous.
@Metro Los Angeles please save the RR crossing signals from 162nd st to 182nd st & The BNSF Mainline. They are both historically significant and it would be sad to remove ATSF Relics
I think at grade is a better option and is cheaper. I rather it use the old freight route since it passes through Torrance core neighborhoods.
I like the south bay galleria plan better. This way it could become a major shopping center for people.
Also, having a one way track to each station then meating at torrance is a good alternative.
Today, Metro already owns the Rail ROW through Lawndale currently used by freight trains. There are children crossing the Rail ROW to elementary school. There is loud freight train noise and automobile gate waits, when freight trains pass.
I hope the existing Metro Rail ROW option is chosen, concurrent with solicitation of more Federal Transit funds to tunnel Metro's Rail ROW from 162nd Street to near Artesia Blvd. A linear park for Lawndale should be built over the Rail ROW so that kids can safely cross and play atop the Rail ROW. This approach brings more benefits and lowers impacts to Lawndale, Redondo Beach and Torrance than tearing up Hawthorne Blvd again.
I don't know whether the freight trains would require a 3rd track in the ROW or if freight trains should re-route to different ROW. But since Metro owns this particular ROW, the priority should be Metro Rail. Let freight train companies pony up more funds if they want a Shared-Use ROW solution.
I don't live in LA anymore, but I never understood why the Green line wasn't extended to Dockweiler Beach going using a spur. Could have built it going west via the middle of Imperial Highway.
El Segundo enjoys being their own unique town (read:cut-off) probably a lot of NIMBY pushback.
ikr it just sucks because the green line has extremely high potential to be something great it's literally the only light rail line in the system that has no interruptions whatsoever they should have stopped the train at Douglas and then make it go to Redondo Beach Pier or Torrance cuz the Redondo Beach station literally is in the middle of nowhere..
WOOO HOOO
No more At grade trains, they’re slow and outdated. Above grade or underground is better
Yes, we all know. The issue is funding. Grade separating every intersection increases the cost tremendously. I'd rather they focus on building miles of track than grade separate everything. Better to build more miles of track first and then go back and grade separate if needed. They can also implement signal prioritization for the light rail trains. That can help with speed.
I don’t understand, a light rail is able to run street level, I think they should use that to its advantage
@@capuiakidyt7572 The biggest advantage of light rail is cost per mile, but it is slower than subways because they have to compete with car traffic. Because of that, light rail should be given priority over cars when it comes to crossing intersections. Light rail trains should rarely, if at all, stop at intersections.
Definitely make it go to the South Bay Galleria!
7-VI-2021,Wow just found out about my input, you people need to look at München subway sytem as a modle, they use closed lope lines not the yoyo styem you guys are using with a centule train multi underground staintion.Thanck you.
I wish it could go to the redondo beach pier in my opinion
I would prefer the South Galleria route because then the Green Line would actually go somewhere.
It will go to LAX and connect to the Crenshaw Line too so it won't be by itself any longer. It will finally be connected to the rest of the Metro system.
So you've been studying this since 2008, and not one millimeter of track has been built so far. Unfortunately, Metro works in geologic time. I don't think any of us will still be around for when the line opens in the year 2525. :/
Must've missed the point of the failed ballot measure along the way which put a hold on the project.
Yeah. Measure M didn’t come into act in 2008 lol
@@dfair Measure R passed in 2008, measure M passed in 2016. LOL!
It seems like this because Measure J didn't pass in 2012
THIS NEEDS TO GO TO LONG BEACH!!!!!!
There's a connection to the Blue Line which does go to downtown Long Beach
@@Park_Place No no this needs to connect souley to LB not going around ingelwood
They do plan to connect it to long beach but its part of the far away plan
Dear RTD,
You guys are 100 years behind in public transportation!
Make it to Redondo Beach Pier
I agree with you!
Make it go to San Pedro and or Long Beach
Metro should cut-and-cover the old -Red Car- Santa Fe ROW along Valley Dr./Ardmore and have it hit every pier from Manhattan Beach down to Redondo, then swing back towards San Pedro along the PCH. If we make plans now we might be able to build by 2080!
Breaking news mkay the green line is heading to torrence
Extend The C Line North To Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades,Malibu and Extend The LA Metro Rail From Santa Monica To Malibu
I assume that CZcams comments submitted after the comment period still count as a formal comments. In which case, ehm, y'all should make it go to the mall!
By the time this project is finished - will we even still be using “malls” ? Lol
Wow, A route to Hermosa beach or redondo beach pier would be better !!
It seems to be a lot to do about nothing.
Lol. Stop copying NYC MTA Transit with those Letters. NYC Started those Letters first especially with that A Train letter you got over there.
Do not put the Redondo beach trainsit on my aunt backyard.
Don’t support tracks through lawndale. Residential neighborhood.
If the tracks were there before. I have zero opposition. Don’t move next to vacant trucks expecting there to never be train service again.
Just like westchester, you move next to the airport, then complain about expansion and noise lol
dfair they’re not vacant. They are currently used with trains going through regularly. This plan would move tracks closer to people’s homes in order to make way for both passenger and freight trains. There is hardly any room there as it is. Do your research before commenting. Much love
@@macjac2826 oh same difference. Calm calm down. If the tracks are in use now - same thing. Don’t move next to transportation never expecting it to expand. Simple as that.
Research….Done.
@@macjac2826 Isn't that ROW abandoned? If Metro buys the ROW there is no way freight will be used on that line. I doubt Metro would buy the ROW under some kind of conditional use to allow freight as well. That would be very dangerous. If a freight train were to derail and smash into an oncoming light rail train it would pulverize it. And in order to mitigate that kind of situation Metro would have to build some kind of safety wall/barrier that would only make the cost of unaffordable. I don't know of any light rail line in L.A. that run alongside freight lines too.
Build under