Is Buying A Sawmill A Huge Waste of Money?
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Is buying a sawmill a huge waste of money? I guess you could say beauty is in the eye of the beerholder. In this one we are just discussing the pros and cons of owning a sawmill. This one is purely informational so if you do not like a talking video you might want to move along.
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Very good points made, one point I would add for those considering buying a mill and possibly wanting to make a little money on sawn lumber is to research your area and the competition. I own an EZ Boardwalk 40, which is also a totally manual mill, I did not research the competition very much, but also my intention was not running a production mill, I mainly wanted to add this for my own woodwork and property upgrades (sheds, decks, and such) also wanted to get into slab/live edge furniture building. I have done a couple of jobs, but am turning down jobs currently due to an over saturated market of those nice orange mills with all the bells and whistles and for two main reasons. First my local market is over-ran with fully automated Wood Mizers (good mills and I am not knocking them) and many people learn I have a mill and inquire on getting lumber cut, tell me their cut list and think because a automated mill can run 10,000 ft a day don't want to understand that the numbers go down significantly on a manual mill (even more so as I am sole operator) and get upset that I can't mill some crazy amount of lumber by yesterday. Second is just like zero turn mowers and lawn maintenance crews, every Bubba with a pick-up truck is seeing someone making money with a mill so they go out buy more mill than they can afford on their current income, they get into a huge monthly payment, the first payment falls due they feel the pinch of being new to the game and not making $100,000 their first month, get desperate so they cut their price per BF, and not just a little, I have seen guys in this situation here that automatically will cut their rate by half so now where everyone else is running hardwood at 50 cents a BF, guy B goes to 25 and when you have enough guy B's it destabilizes the local market. I could combine both points and add this not long after I purchased my mill, I had a guy I did not know show up one day wanting 500 6x6 8ft pine post for a fence, he wanted me to procure the logs at my cost and then sell him the posts for $3,500 ($7 per post), another guy recently wanted enough 2x's to build a cabin roughly 800-900sqft in size and when I gave him my best price, he tried to tell me that another guy had quoted him 54 cents per 8ft 2x4 (my reply, I advised him to buy the guy out). Not a big deal to me to turn down these types of lowballers, as I said to start I mainly bought the mill for personal use and can make more by actually building and selling higher quality woodwork by doing so, just wanted to add this point for consideration. If you approach milling with the right attitude and don't fall for the get rich quick mindset, milling is fun and enjoyable, it is hard work at times, but if you enjoy woodwork or appreciate the beauty of wood, there is nothing more satisfying than opening up a log full of character and colors or getting those huge ray flecks on the quartersawn.
Excellent points here and spot on, well said.
The most valuable use of a small mill is just what you said....to build your own buildings, and have lumber for your uses.
When I first bought my Woodmizer (manual LT40) in 1991, I had the notion I'd do some sawing out for other folks. I quickly got cured of that after figuring out most of them have NO way to handle logs at their place.....heck, stupid me actually sawed a big oak one time that was bucked into logs where it fell. I'd saw one log, move the mill up to the next one, saw it, move the mill up to the next one !
Nope....I quit that stupid stuff. I'll saw some for folks now IF they bring me the logs and IF they stand there and load the lumber on their truck, and then I charge $40/hr + cost of blade if I hit any metal.....and I discourage the heck out of anybody that calls !
The real value of a small mill is what you can do for yourself. Next is 'value added'. I sell some cabinet grade lumber (avoid the framing grade, that is a production mill market hard to compete in even with lumber prices the way they are). I also build a dehumidifier kiln that holds 1000bf using an old window AC unit for the heat/dehumidifier. I can kiln dry for 5 cents/bf.....but it value adds a dollar a bf easy to the price of the lumber.
Then I'd build furniture, cabinets, make hardwood moldings (bought a small molding machine) and THAT really bumps the value of my lumber by the time it gets to the customer's hands. Red oak that brings maybe 80 cents/bf green goes to $2 for KD, or $5/bf in a cabinet or pc of molding.
If you're gonna saw a 1000bf, would you rather gross $800 or $5000 ? Same amount of logs to gather and saw either way. Same labor. Same amount of scrap. Value added is where it's at !
@@edsmith4414 I have been stewing on building a solar kiln, but what you are talking about gets my interest. Looking around some and seeing ideas for using house dehumidifiers and small heaters, but nothing on using an AC for that. How exactly does that work?
@@Ron1966deadly Simple. Find a 'old dog' of a window AC.....needs to have R12 in it, not R22 (head pressure on R22 gets too high when the kiln temps hit about 115, and it shuts down). Build a nice insulated room for the kiln, then simply set the AC inside the room on a shelf. You may need to use a small electric heater to start the process if the room is below 65 because the AC won't start 'cooling' at that point.
Once it does start trying to cool the room, the waste heat off the backside of the AC.....the part that would normally be stuck outside a window....will heat the room. (People often ask "HOW will the room heat if the AC is cooling ?" Answer: There is WAY WAY WAY more scrap heat off the back than the front can keep up with cooling....the cooling side can't win. WHY do you think it's normally outside the window, duh ? )
When it gets over 90- 100 inside, moisture will start to be driven off the wood and into the air. Hot air attracts and holds more moisture than cold air.....why it's humid in the summer and dry in the winter. The humidity level inside will reach 100% or close to it. Steam bath conditions.
That humid air circulates over the cold coil on the front of the AC, condenses (like an iced tea glass in the summer), drips into the catch pan, which you'll need to connect a piece of tubing/hose to lead outside. I let mine drip in a bucket and watch the bucket.
A 1000bd load of air dried wood.....(and I only use wood I've already air dried down to around 20%.....using green wood I suspect might result in mold as there won't be enough surface area of cold coil to remove the huge amount of moisture fast enough to prevent mold), I get around a 5 gallon bucket of water per day once the inside temps hit 115 and above....takes 2-4 days to get that high. Mine will continue to climb on up to about 130-135, and the water will become less and less in the bucket. When you only get a few quarts/day, go inside, check the wood with a meter....you'll be in the 8% range, or less. Time to quit. I then use the kiln to store my lumber and use it out of there for my work. I keep a regular dehumidifier inside and try to keep the room in the 40% and under humidity range. I use a small wall mount temp/humidity gauge to check....Radio Shack model, which tells you how long I've been doing this....ahahahahaa
IF you bring it outside in a high humidity environment, it will absorb moisture out of the air like a sponge, and your kiln dried wood (or any kiln dried wood for that matter) will begin the process of trying to get back to 14-20% MC, which is what is called equalibrium point of wood.
@@edsmith4414 Thanks for the info. Now to find an R12 unit... My plan was as you stated to air dry first, your comment is right concerning mold I had moved a stack into my quonset hut last summer to get it out of the way temporarily and it did start to both mildew and mold, and in short time. I am currently clearing an area and will be grading to dedicate to an open shed for air drying, also a permanent shelter for the mill.
We bought a woodmizer LT15Go last year, we love it! We are clearing some of our land and building a small farm, so for us, this was the way to go instead of buying lumber for our outbuildings. And it is fantastic to have your own lumberyard!
Exactly. LT40 owner since 1991. Built my house, multiple barns/sheds/etc on my place, cut materials for neighbor's structures, built 3 rental homes, and so on. IF you have timber on your place (often hard to get loggers to bring you logs), and you need lumber, you're crazy if you don't own one !
I will never have one but knowing what it’s all about is priceless. Thank you
i got a used woodmizer, then a bobcat to move the logs, moving the logs is the hardest part about milling your own wood, then i picked up a dump truck and trailer to move the bobcat so i can go get more logs. now i need a bigger building to store the lumber in. it is addictive and very rewarding to have an abundance of live edge and hard to find lumber.
Thank you!
I live in North Cass County MN with trees all around. Retired carpenter and shocked by the cost of lumber these days. I have a source for red pine logs up the road from me plus 8 acres of my own Red Oak, Maple and Black Ash. Thinking of getting a mill for all the reasons you gave. Thank you again.
All the more reason to get a mill, lumber prices are insane right now.
G'day Jim another good video, camera lens seems fine, I would not own a mill but I sure do like watching you guys that have them and the projects you build, cheers and thanks again.
There was a time in my life when I would have been complaining about having to do all that cleanup. Now, I'd patiently work at it like you, and be thankful for having been ABLE to make all that mess. =0)
Beautiful video love the intro. I think owning a sawmill to some people is there own church. methodical, peaceful, relaxing.
The boards are just the icing on the cake.
-Will
That's exactly how it is.
It's like a boat. When you first get it it's great then as time goes by all you do is work on it until you are lucky enough to find another sucker to take it off your hands.
I've had mine for five years, run the piss out of it and have had zero issues.
Dear Jim,
Somewhat refreshing to hear sound advice from someone with experience. That's how one learns & avoid costly mistakes. Your new camera lens is just fine, maybe when you're next doing a project, we'll get a better perception of just how good it copes with showing details. Very well done. Kind regards.
I'll never use a sawmill, but for some reason, they fascinate me.
Your video today was just right for all walks of sawmill folks.
Never say never
Good morning Mr. Jim
Great points made on owning a band saw mill. Surely adds additional work to woodworking but you get exactly what you want and cut the way you want it, i.e. 1/4 sawn, slab, etc. Nothing wrong with a talking video. We learn a lot that way. Thanks and have a great weekend. Johnny G
You too Johnny
Good info Jim. My bandsaw mill paid for itself in the first year of milling my own cedar. I do it for the sense of satisfaction more than any other reason. Helping out family, friends and neighbours is another good feature of having your own mill.
Another great video thanks Jim. Very informative. I struggle get good lumber here in the UK. Close by it’s just a big box store....not good as it’s very expensive for what it is. Thanks for showing us the thought processes and pros and cons. Fully appreciate it, many thanks Graham🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. Great video.
Great video, thanks for sharing your prospective for us new guys.
Good info Jim. Have thought about a mill for 10 years now. Probably won’t pull the trigger now, getting older slows down the body. I have enough going on to keep me busy. Have a great week
I can listen to tell your story every day. You have great insights. Thanks. The video looks great.
Thank you sir.
Hello. Your lens works great. Really enjoyed the video. Take care and be safe. 🙂
Am buying one anyways. Just for my own use. If I make money with it over time perfect. If not perfect.
I really like the way u explain everything. Great job 👍
Good thoughts Jim. Free lumber is a relative thing. I like to cut things,ie. species and dimensions that I can't buy at Lowe's.
Clean up must be systemic so you don't have to spend all that effort on unbillable time. I have a friend who has an LT40 and he uses a small electric snow blower to manage sawdust. Now I know more airborne sawdust is the thing you dream about but it works for him. I could spend a half day per week cleaning up around my mill and that will have to change when I finish my barn.
Nice video. I am old and will never own a mill , but enjoyed listening to you explain about yours. Thanks!
Thank you very much sir.
Good general information and I do enjoy owning my own sawmill. 💚💜
Absolutely
Just found this video, want to say thank you for doing it. Found it to be very informative as I'm considering buying one of these. Thank you.
You'll love owning one, it becomes it's own addiction.
Awesome video, love the insight.
Thanks Josh
Good stuff Jim thanks !
Thanks for the informative video.
Lens seems to be working well, thanks for sharing Jim.
Thank you Dana
Thanks for your input. I have been contemplating buying a mill. It wouldn't be a cost saving decision, but rather one that puts me in control. Sometimes I need a specific grain direction or an unusual thickness.
Hope it helps, they are good to have around, even if you don't use them a ton.
Good information succinctly presented. Thanks 🙏
Love this guy staight to the point! Seen office guys talk a big game then fumble around the mill sad really.
I just think the way my grandfather thinks: it is just a waste of money if you want to make money! If you don't expect Anny profit from it every earned dollar is a winn^^
thanks again jim great advise
Forgot to say the camera lens is great. I have a Canon here, very happy with it! Graham🇬🇧🇬🇧
The best part about this video is the Gravely in the background. Lol. I'm a huge Gravely fan. I named my son Benjamin Gravely after the inventor!
I use it all the time, big fan myself.
@@TheTradesmanChannel they beat you up pretty good. That rotary plow is one of the best tools no one knows about.
The video looks great, Jim! Good deal on the lens. If I was 20 years younger, I'd love to get a sawmill. Watching you and Nathan diggin' gold out of logs is really enjoyable!👍🏻❤️📹
Mate I am 45 and bought a LT40 new. Do it if u can. Greets Wolfgang
@@wolfro2674 - That photo of me rockin’ out is about 25 years old, I’ll soon be 67.
I think the camera lens you used on this particular video is EXCELLENT. The lighting was A1 too. The focus seems much better than in many other "You Tube" videos I have watched. If it were me, I wouldn't change a darn thing with regard to your camera and lens choice.
Thank you sir. It is a 50mm cannon lens on an m50 cannon camera.
Thanks for the talk. I am considering base model by woodland mills to get started with milling lumber. I got a ton of projects from building shed to fences to raised bed gardens to possible accessory dwelling unit.
You can't go wrong with a sawmill.
Good points!
I have wanted a saw mill for years to build a storage barn, but being on social security limits me to just surviving with nothing extra.
So I have decided to start collecting stuff and make me a saw mill.
I can't afford the main wheels but don't know wether to use car wheels and tires or motorcycle wheels and tires. I will figure it out somehow. Lol
I've seen folks use trailer tires and they seem to work quite well. Just make sure you get tires that have a good crown on them.
I agree,can't get enough information no matter a person's age!!
You got it
I used to own a five acre plot and it had red oak, white oak, walnut, and cedar on it. I could have made some very good lumber then.
great info thank u
"Yeah, that can happen on your own mill..."
Which allows me to know who exactly is responsible and who needs a "stern talking to". One of the biggest reasons I like doing things myself. Its like the local permit inspector told me once (to paraphrase) "Yeah if you are doing your own work we aren't as crazy. We know you are doing the best work possible for you and if you've shown any competence at all you get by on a lot more trust."
Well said
Morning Jim... my dad and I bought an Alaskan saw mill with a four foot bar and additional oiler when I started to build my log home. We got a lot of use out of it, but it was hard on the 051s we had. And it was a lot of work just to cut a few boards, not to mention we got buried in saw dust and chips. I still have it sitting in my barn, not sure if I'll ever use it again. But I will say, the Stihl 051s are still around and running from 1979, it's just my back can't handle them anymore! Good video, and the camera lens looks good!
I wish they had CZcams when you built that place, I bet it was an amazing project.
@@TheTradesmanChannel I would have had plenty of content for it, that's for sure. The only thing we had back then were three channels on our TV using a rooftop antenna....Not sure if you would have enjoyed seeing chainsaws fly on occasion. I had some days that nothing seemed to work right! Probably would have been funny to see, though.
Good comments. I agree with all that you have said.
Thank you
Good for low light condition ,seems shorter on focal length. Thanx for videos. JIMM,TEXAS
I have freehand milled a few rustic benches for sitting around my firepit, I used a 76cc saw and I would suggest if you are planning on milling with a power saw look at a 90cc and up.
Nice video Prof, letting people know how it is 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for sharing your knowledge another great video 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
We pulled the trigger on one of those HF china-clone mills a few years back. To date it's milled through over 150k board feet and it's more than paid for itself many times over. Like you said, milling things you want, the way you want it, is a pretty sweet thing. The figured material I can mill out is not something you can find in the big box stores, or even at some the "production" sawyers in the local area.
You just can't go wrong with your own mill.
I am laughing out loud over here! That is excactly what i did too brother! I bought an Alaskan mill for my homestead. And I love milling, all parts of it. But it is just sooooo crude, the lumber comes out super rough, its hard on your saw, it kills your low back..... After 3 years of Alaskan milling, I just went out last week, and bought a Woodmizer LT15. will be delivered in 9 weeks! No more alaskan mill. LOL. Will hang it up in the shop, as a reminder of how much life used to suck!! LOL
Jim,so true they are a handy tool. You being able to make stuff up,you could build yourself an arch to move the logs around with gravely. Built one four feet tall,four feet wide,twelve feet long. Walk a 36" log right over the mill. Might not be as fast as a large tractor, but just as handy
Cheers Rob l
I've actually been planning a build like that.
Only at 2,:32 and already am loving this one
Thank you for that very professional explanation on your end. I appreciate you taking the time to do that. I stand corrected.
Thank you for watching, hope there was some useful information there.
Thanks Jim.
Hope it was helpful.
Nice information
Jim that is a great idea keep cutting I envy you
I appreciate your video because I'm thinking of getting a small bandsaw mill.
Worth every penny.
See,good info is priceless!!
I’m currently clearing out a blackberry patch. That’ll house a Woodmizer LT15. I’ll continue to use the Alaskan mill to cut down huge logs to fit onto the bandsaw. To purchase a unit of western red cedar to redo my barn is around $12,000. Saw pays for its self.
Thanks, I bought the new 500cc stihl. Was about to ruin it... lubrication. But sounds hard on the saw.
Enjoyed the video. Experience is the best teacher. Thanks for sharing.
thank you
Nice lens nice to hear all your thoughs, well the ones you can publicly share anyway...... Grin
You don't want the private ones, negative and tragic they are!
@@TheTradesmanChannel lol
upfront i sell portable swing blade mills over here in australia 3 things i tell prospective buyers you need time, trees and space.
Those mills are incredible. You are absolutely right about time, trees and space.
Thank you sir
Hi Jim lately that mill has paid you back ten fold and i think has paid for its self all ready ,i don't believe you could be without it its doing one hell of a job for you.servicing your saw is like your truck just common sense i enjoyed the video ,Good Night .
Thank you Paul.
Snarky rude comments lol, well I will tell you this you have a damn good talking voice, and if you haven’t tried talking on a video without stammering and screwing up well just try it, it’s not easy, you do a good job!
Thank you sir, it's not easy for sure.
Thanks.
Thanks
Every sawmill video I see pushes me closer to getting one of my own..... some good info. 👍👍
Worth every penny and they're getting a lot cheaper.
Yeah I noticed the affordability is getting better. Someday soon when my wife isn't paying attention I'll order one....haha 😄
You sound like me, this one kind of showed up one day...
Haha. I hear ya. Cross my fingers and hope for a big visit from the "tool fairy". 🤞
@@ibfgarage9365 did you get one yet??
i was thinking about buying a mill but I decided my ambition and dedication to making lumber is lacking. I can enlist my buddy that has a good mill, will cut my logs, and not charge a fortune. As you said, having the ability to just roll one on and come away with usable lumber is magic, though.
Morning Jim, lens looks good. M
Thank you Michael.
I like milling logs. I have a chainsaw mill. I got it for building my log cabin. I've been milling more wood. I like the looks with the wood. I'm horrible with wood otherwise. Lol. It's piling up around here.
It becomes a hard habit to break. What a good habit to have.
We're looking to build a sexy pole barn. We got in touch with a company for all the beams we need in the 40x60 barn.
They said the bill would be $70,000.00.
It has a few 36' beams. Pretty sure I can buy a mill and extra track for way less.
I worked in a sawmill for a good number of years. It's hard work and dangerous too. It's nice when you get everything straight!
I agree. Good morning Paul.
@@TheTradesmanChannel hi Jim nice to see you hard at work, as always. I'm a homestead boy at heart, but now live in the city, your videos make me feel better. And Mary's are good too!
Let's pause this for a minute so I can see if it is in focus... Yeah, we know you had too much coffee. =0)
Looking good Jim. You seem rested .. not pushing the remodel?? Camera is doing great.
I'm doing the work here and there but running the camera in the house is near impossible.
Thanks for posting. I have about 6 acres to clear for a Christmas Tree farm. I was thinking this may be a good way to make some cash while waiting on trees to grow. Any thoughts?
Thank you for the info.No snark.
Glad you liked it
I'll have a bunch soon.i have some 30 n 40s on the ground now.
I can see having a bandsaw mill, if you own woodland,or if you have access to cheap logs, I of course would love one to play with.
I’m getting a bit too old for this, and probably live in the wrong country (UK) but would love to build a small house/cabin as my swan song !
One thing I can see with this, I would absolutely love to be able to produce softwood floor boards cut the right way, it is really difficult to buy anything but slab sawn crap that cups to buggery ( no I don’t really like plywood floors ). There a few mills that will do this,but charge you way over the odds for the privilege. Of course I understand the waste thing but waste timber is not worth more than gold !
You have shown me that a band saw mill should be set on blocks so you can get a broom under it, thank you.
About 20 years ago I built a cabin in West Virginia, while living in Virginia. A weekend project. My dad has an old sawmill he and my grandpa built themselves. My floors of the cabin are made of oak. And the trim around my windows and window sills are made from trees here on the farm. It is such a special feeling knowing I am walking on floors that my dad sawed for me. And my grandchildren can enjoy and live in a cabin that is built from trees on our farm. My dad sawed ALL the lumber and trim for HIS house on his antique mill. He also had a planner and edger. He custom made the trim around all his windows and doors out of cherry trees. My grandpa sawed lumber for many projects for his house. He cut out boards to replace his roof. Him and my dad saved thousands. And with the price of a 2X4's today, it saves. And you get good quality boards. My dad had another job, but ran the sawmill on his days off. Me and my sisters grew up hearing the sound of the big blade cutting a log.
R Bennett
I find great logs all the time but I have no mill 😂
Find the other two pieces play middle man and make a buck on it
SUPERB Video Quality!!!
Now you need sound equipment to match the Video Quality!
Should be here tomorrow I hope.
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Moving on UP!!!
I just bought the woodland mills hm122... Small but I love it..... Great video my friend.. Subscribed and rang the bell .. stop by sometime if ya like.. Have a great day
#SNARKY ... "You talk too much". LOL
Morning Jim. Sometimes the "BASE" unit is more than enough, sometimes it's just right. Not really a business machine, depending on how much value your time adds to the milled lumber or slabs. For personal use, most people don't really need one. For a farmer who needs to clear land and have usable lumber from it for building or sale, heck yeah, get one. Resale when it's no longer needed is quite decent. I guess it all depends on how much you need to cut/slab/mill vs what a local mill, if you have access to one, charges.
Nice talk.
Knew it would be you or Hegdahl!
Thank you for your thoughts. Your lenses are well focused with good depth of field. Sometime tell me about your Gravely tractor I can see in the background.
Dude you crack me up lol 😆 more videos. And be yourself!
Well.... wait, I don’t have any. Just found the channel, LOVE IT. Thanks for doing this!
Good evening. You didn't just come over from that ZZ Top stunt double channel did you?
@@TheTradesmanChannel Ha! Why yes I did...how did you know? You must have espn or something.
Nathan and I are pretty good friends away from the LubeTube, he told me he shouted me out today.
Wow, just looked at your Subs, Told Ya it was going to grow, I've been with ya since the Start, Aint leaving now,, and NO, I'm not dribbling Oatmeal down my Front!
You must at least be pissing in your pants or something...
Thanks for the feedback can learn a lot from guy's like you willing to share with us
Just got a Hud-Son Oscar 428 to build a 24x32 barn along with other things. First thing I cut was a piece of Ash that would have been firewood if I hadn't gotten the mill and sold 3 slabs for $100 each at a sale
That right there is exactly what makes it worth it to own a sawmill.
Looks great shoveling sawdust is better than shoveling snow LOL
Hello sir that was very informative I am thinking about purchasing a band SawMill I have looked at the Hudson Norwood and Woodland Hills as well as the Lucas 1030. Picture quality was very good as was the audio good job I enjoy your channel very much
As with anything, it's a matter of application. You built a timber frame barn, so in your case getting a saw mill was well worth the investment. If you're a woodworker then having ready access to lumber certainly can be a source of savings. If you enjoy the milling processing, then this is just another hobby. Whether or not you save money is not a primary concern.
When is the solar kiln build project going to start?
Getting cleaned up right now for it in between baling hay and work.
Wondering how much to pay for trees when I have to buy lumber?
Must have a huge need for buying mill, always contact local small mills for your needs, then make a decision!
I just ordered a sawmill for myself and a good friend to share and can’t wait to rip into some logs and get some stuff built...
Just curious are you like me and can’t pass a tree without wondering how many board feet I can get out of it and things I can build with it? Lol
Great channel and look forward to watching some more videos.
Also i Agee 100% about the haters.. if you ain’t got anything positive to say keep it to yourself.
Keep up the good work
Every tree I see is potential lumber, oh yes, I do that too!
@@TheTradesmanChannel The power company here in Sierra foothills is cutting trees like crazy because of their liability should trees fall into power lines and cause more fires. Lots of cedar, fir & pine have been cut this year many in long lengths. Probably can get them to cut to length occasionally. We hate to see it rot in the woods. A friend and I are both retired but love the physical activity to keep us fit. We’ll be getting the smallest Woodland Mills unit as an exercise machine. Cheaper than a gym and a lot more fun.. I have a Unimog skidder I am restoring and timber of my own that needs fire safe clearing. Thanks for providing the pros & cons.
Jim, Now that I watched the entire Vid,, the New Camera is SUPER! Wow, what a difference, I would do the Cecil way, But with forklifts and overhead cranes, and an Ellis Metal Cutting saw,, 2 days! I thought I would be Buzzing your Property around this time,, I'm Lucky I can spell Airplane Now! Yea I know I'm getting old,, 1 Doc. I did tell him to EAT ME!, that took me off his Christmas List,, if I was ever on it, and Opps, I also told him I would not let him trim my DOGS toenails, Think I went a little overboard? Well, He should lose his license to practice, Plus his driver's License! Love the new camera!. Jack
Damn good to see you Jack.
@@TheTradesmanChannel Jimbo, Glad to see all the New Subs!,, Sorry for the Rant, But I knew you for 1 would Understand!, Keep up the good work, And I always enjoyed your Rants,! , Jack