Never Too Old to Start a Homicidal Career? | Ray and Faye Copeland Case Analysis
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Ray and Faye Copeland?
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He "despised transients for stealing taxpayer's money?" What a strange thing to take the moral high ground on, considering he made his living stealing from (and outright MURDERING) people... as if they weren't taxpayers themselves?
@@cht2162 Lol, exactly! Very well said, J... holy cow, I'm not even going to try. Very well said, my friend. 👍
I also despise transients but I don’t murder them and capitalize on the death
This comment is kinda weird since dr grande points out that he has a complex about being poor in the first minute of the video so its not that surprising hes going to have some delusions and special pleading in regard to those topics
Considering that he, Ray, didn't pay taxes on the stolen money; it's the height of hypocrisy.
Raging narcissism can make any hypocritical nonsense true.
This is good news ! I just turned 65 and have been wondering what I might do with the extra time.
I hope you have enough space for the extra cows!
@@lenkacfk7155 moo
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@@bingonamo7520 In so many ways
I think that bologna sandwiches will do you well, as you live out old age in prison. With nothing but the horror of murder in your mind to keep you company.
You always cover current interesting topics and then you pick crazy weird murderers from the past and I just love your mix so much.
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i had to stop. Too much for me
@@bascha4098 too much greatness?
I completely agree 💯! Love the variety, and his style! Sounds like you have great taste, some of us around here joke we're "Grande Groupies". Lol Great comment though, and couldn't agree more! 👍💖
I'd love to support you, Dr. Grande - I watch every single one of your videos. But I'm on a rather small disability pension so all I can do is say "Well done!" I've learned so much watching you this past year and a half or so.
My neighbor was the prosecuting attorney. What a case!
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. All of the pain is felt by others.
The same thing happens when you're stupid.
You obviously don't believe in God. When you die your body dies but your spirit and soul live forever. You are fully conscious.
@@truckdriver8416 I hope you're right
@@truckdriver8416 I have already acknowledged I am not a right-wing Saint born with the holy glow of perfection.
@@frankpaya690 it's not something I hope it's something I know personally. Some people believe in God because of faith other people believe in God because of experience. God is a trinity Father Son and Holy Spirit all are the same all are equal and all are one.
All of us we're made in the image of God. Every man on Earth is a trinity. A spirit which is the Breath of God that leaves your body when you die. The electrical signal of the heart which is where the soul resides and where both your intellect and your emotions live as one unit not separate as the secular psychiatric world would have you believe.
@@truckdriver8416 I believe in G-d. But I am not so focused in my belief to see things beyond Him. The OP was so not much making a statement about the nature of death as he was drawing a humour analogy between death and stupidity.
Seriously one of the best channels on CZcams, it's nice to see doctor Grande gaining so many subscribers and momentum. Kind of gives me hope to see that so many people are interested in a fair and balanced analysis with a healthy sprinkling of dry humor
What's not to like!
Wow he’s up to over 1 mill! Just noticed that! Yes he’s great!
TOTALLY Agree 💯 Meg!! Dr. Grande's is the only Patreon I've joined or will join, and I agree that it's encouraging to see how many people are appreciating Dr. G and his amazing and unique style, as well as that people are just gravitating to this type of content in general. Personally, I'm a "Grande Groupie" for life! Lol You must have good taste as well. Thanks for the great comment! 👍💖🥰
He is changing society and he cares about people yes he is worth just the same if not more income than celebrities absolutely To his continued work & success with his family
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Very interesting case. It appears that Faye’s life was destined to be a catastrophe the moment she got married with Ray. It’s difficult to know if she was aware of the murders. Just an awful situation all around.
Thank you for the review and the laughter, you are hysterical Dr. Grande.😂
Happy Monday.❤️
She sewed quilts out of the murder victims clothes.
@@maryfuller8598 🤯 OMG she def knew! Like the serial killer who stuffed a doll he made of his victims pieces of skin sewn together.
This is by far my favorite episode of forensic files. The interview of Faye… and I’ve already said too much 🙊
Same here, Nick!! In fact.........there's been at least one other murder case show about this case more in detail and I feel Ray and Faye were more interchangeable in these murders (besides their similar names) than Dr. G theorizes here but I'm pretty sure we'll never know 100%. Jim C.
If he did it...lol
You could tell the son of Ray and Faye hated Ray so much that he saw his mom as totally innocent. Because she was a constant victim to his much hated dad, he couldn’t imagine she could go along with his murder schemes. You could tell he really loved his mother and probably felt sorry for her because he could move out of the house as an adult, but his mother was stuck with him.
@@elizabethwillis885 she was terrified of him
From the little I have learned about this case, it sounds as if Ray had zero redeeming qualities.
Violent Man. I don’t believe wife was fully aware of what was going to even if she maybe had suspicions about money in the bank account she would of been too afraid to ask questions he had her well trained by the yrs of abuse & probably scared that she would end up shot in head & buried on the farm herself . Nobody knows if or what she was even told what list of names meant with mark made next to them
I never really realized until now that I have been living my entire life cow-free. I don't know if that's good or bad.
Such a creepy and interesting story, Dr. Grande! It left me wondering whether or not Ray wasn't responsible for the disappearances of other transients over his lifetime, yet it didn't finally catch up with him until he became so bold as to commit so many relatively traceable crimes in a short period of time. People have gone missing forever and not many of those cases are ever solved.
I'd lay odds Ray was a long time serial killer who had killed as early as his teen years and possibly frequently thereafter.
History is replete with serial killers who never quite made it onto the radar. If you google death certificates along railroad lines of the early railroading days, you'll find many for "UNKNOWN", cause of death being crushed on railroad tracks. Not all of them just got sleepy and fell off the train or were dragged under trying to get on. Plenty were shoved under by traveling killers among the hobo crowd.
What an interesting case! Thank you for your storytelling, analysis, and dry humor!
It sounds like Ray was a lifelong monster, should have been caught decades ago. Someone looked the other way, scary
Transient men like prostitutes are often not missed when gone!
@@bthomsonAgreed, I have read about predators who were able to harm runaways because no one would miss them. Dean Corll comes to mind in Texas in the 1970s.
What’s scary about it
@@judethaddeus9856 Scary that some people are capable of killing without any thought of the harm, pain, or life lost. Some think others are expendable, property, on this earth and alive to be used. To me that is a scary reality I’ve know most all of my life.
I seen this on Forensic files. His employees had a great long term health care plan. Ray was mean old man!!!
31k? So little money for such big crimes- people are so illogical. Thank you for this analysis and exposition of these killers.
That was in the 80s, so it’s like 900,000 in todays dollars.
Not really
Udderly intriguing and hilarious analysis lol 🙄😅😂 Speaking of "criminal cow offenders who cut deals with police" I would love to hear your take on the Canadian pig farmer serial killer Robert Picton. Thanks Dr. Grande 👍❤️⚔️🔥🐴
The farmer had a pig,what? no, ok the farmer had some cow no he never ok, the farmer had.... you are kidding me what does the farmer have then???
That inspired a Criminal Minds episode.
It's Doctor Grande's dry delivery for me. I was like, "a joke? Wait. Was that a joke?" Then I played two more times. 😂😂
😅😅😅 "Police informant cows." I spit out my coffee. 👏👏👏👏
Your analysis is spot on, yet I'm confused as to how that happens. I grew up with two violent narcissists. My reaction as an adult to take no grief from anyone, yet l have siblings who tolerate, or are even drawn to that type of partner. It's difficult for me to give them a pass.
"he was living life cow free" got me 🤣😂😂😜
Some people are drawn to what they know and that’s why they end up with partners who display same bad behavior as a parent or guardian unfortunately . Great job breaking cycle from being part of your adult life, we can’t all do it as your aware
People like Ray seem to brag quite a bit about their exploits, which they seem to think admirable, clever, and enviable. Given her intimate knowledge of his character, I think she was aware of the murders. Unless he packed her off each time to see family, it's impossible to believe she wouldn't figure it out. One drifter might have left suddenly, leaving all their belongings, but all 5 wouldn't have.
@@brianclingenpeel5123 jeez. That is really freaking creepy. That sounds like something out of silence of the lamb..ugh.
Y? Grandma found some material and put her hands 2 work
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My guess is she didn’t want to know or ask, too afraid she would be next no doubt she would have
You slide your clever and humorous comments in so unobtrusively -- a "joke" almost slips by un-noticed. Your voice is so soothing and conveys no sense of urgency. Thank you. I learn from and enjoy your posts.
I would love to hear your professional analysis of famous early 20th century "clairvoyant" Edgar Cayce.
Hi!🌞😊 I'd love that,too! Great suggestion!
I'm pretty sure he already did.
Thank you for the interesting video and analysis. I remember this in the news when it occurred. The part that interests me is Jack Mc Cormick had a suspicion that Ray was going to shoot him. In other accounts, Jack looked into Ray's eyes while poking for the "racoon". Hence Ray could not
shoot him while Jack was looking at his eyes. I have heard/read similar stories of this. One comes to mind of a WWII Japanese prison camp survivor. He claimed he was about to be stabbed to death in the camp but, he kept looking at the attacker's eyes and was spared. Also you hear of stories where the killer instructs their victims to turn around and not face the killers before they
are murdered. As a psychologist, what is the significance of avoiding death from a killer by looking into the killer's eyes?
As always your so on point. I always look forward to your analysis regarding so many complex cases. And also a good sprinkle of dry humour haha.
Thank you Dr Grande. 😃💙
@Sarafina Summers Interesting point. Can an attacker still murder someone when the person looks into the murderer's eyes?
@03:28 The 'wrong' cows were purchased. They were all delinquent cows, that is to say they never graduated from high school.
May I suggest a video on Ward Weaver? He killed two girls and buried one in a barrel. It happened just up the road from me and it was surreal. Thanks a million. Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis are the girls he killed.
Yesss i was their age when it went down. So sad
I remember reading about this case years ago in a true crime compilation. Thanks for your analysis, Dr. Grande!
Hello again Dr. Grande!
Just started watching 8:35 AM.
Very nice to see you.
You’re like the spring rain…
Can you do a video about the disaster of Germanwings flight 9525 and in particular the mental state of the pilot that deliberately crashed the plane?
Dr. Grande I love you tone, and approach to your words so others can begin to understand the actuality of your topics. Also your beard is comming in nicely. I am a Heyoka INFJ who just got out of a toxic relationship with a convert narcissistic woman (there may be more going on as well) . I have been relieved by your words in these matters and the ways you have educated me on certain topics that directly effect me is unmatched. THANK YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Congratulations on one million subscribers! I am happy to be one of them. The Copelands were a couple of sweethearts. Jack seemed to be pretty smart. Scary story. Appreciate all of your hard work.
At times, Dr.G., you crack me up with the content of your channel. Love the dead pan delivery and how you're not cracking up.
Hope you had a nice Easter Dr. Grande, thanks for all your hard work.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🐰🐰🐣🐣🐑🐑
Thank you Dr. Grande! It sounds like Ray wanted to end his lifelong criminal career with a bang, not cowering in defense! Ugh, sorry, I just couldn’t resist. Thanks again for the lunch break information and insightful analysis into the depths of the human psyche. Gratefully, Dennis
This was one of the many cases you cover where I couldn't wait to hear your analysis concerning Faye, and I love how you covered all the possibilities concerning her part!
Your content truly is brilliant, Dr. Grande! ♡♡
I had to laugh when you said "....police informant cows." 😅
Wow! Just finished listening their story on Monsters when I seen your video, Dr. Grande. I see collaboration opportunities ☺️
Great analysis of these people..I remember this case featured on Forensic files or maybe on ID channel - I watch a lot of that. Your comment at the part about buying the "wrong" cows 😅😂
The start of the title made me think that Dr. Todd Grande took an even darker turn. Scared the hell out of me lol.
I’ve always thought of Faye as a great example of being both a victim and perpetrator at the same time. There are women like that when looking at abuse in families. Who are abused by their husband, and then abuse their children. People often forget you can be both. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
With parents like that, what became of their children?
There's a "Forensic Files" story, one of the 1990s episodes, about this, and Faye was still alive and was interviewed herself. The son they spoke with seemed very intelligent.
I don't think there was enough evidence for Faye to be convicted. It's worth noting their kids all turned out to be good law-abiding people
Well done Dr. Grande. It's a very interesting story. You never disappoint. Txs
Dr. Grande while studying for my nutrition exam! It's a good Monday so far! ❤️
upon first glance at the title i first saw the name copeland and instantly thought of that crazy evangelist kenneth copeland-though, i wouldnt have been surprised if he was involved in something like this-
Agreed....he legit looks like how you would picture a demon in human form.
Love the title. Got busy and had to come back to this. Strange case again geez...X🐄. Thanks Dr G😊💛💛
Growing up on a dairy farm, I chuckled at the 'cow police informants'!!
By 2:05 I was already thinking "Just when you think it can't get any more weird"...it does. And the video is 14 minutes and 20 seconds long. Dr. Grande never disappoints!
This type of case is why i came to appreciate dr. Grande. Complicated but explainable. I agree.
Wait a second, Faye and Ray.....Fay Wray. How am I only realizing this now after seeing the Forensic Files episode countless times?
Happy Monday Dr. Grande!! 🥰
The title of this video pure gold.
Good morning Dr G, hope you and family had a awesome holiday!!
Doc you are low key one of the funniest people on CZcams
I’m having a bad weekend. All my friends are busy, my car failed it’s mot but your calming voice has calmed me
Hello Dr. Grande, another interesting video. Thank you for presenting these cases to us. Love to follow you on CZcams. Thanks for sharing. Best Regards. ❤👍
Hi Dr. Grande. Thanks for all the detailed information you put into your videos. Always put you on my You Tube list as one of my favorites. Will be watching again too, Peace to you and hope you have a fascinating evening each and every day, Love, Janine Smiley😀🙂😎🤩😍
Dr. GRANDE'S dead pan sarcasm is prime content alone. The rest is icing on the cake.
Wow. As always, an interesting case and analysis. Thanks doc...
have a good car on road trips. 😲
@@qzorn4440 lol right
Thanks for another interesting case and vid from my VERY Fav Doc, Dr. G!! 💖🥰😘 Ray should've been stopped long long ago, so sad and unsettling to see things like this happen and go on! But great laying it out, and Analysis as always! Dr. Grande is a VERY gifted story teller in his own, very unique way, and I love it! 👍🤓💕🌵🥰
This is such an interesting case, I remember it from Forensic Files (Killer's 'Cattle' Log).
Thank You! I read about this Case a long time ago! Appreciate your Analysis, as ALWAYS?
Dr. Grande I hope you see these comments and realize how important you are to us. Please continue to also discuss political topics. I know it can be dangerous Waters but when you're in the right, speaking the truth, and being balanced, it's more than okay. We absolutely adore and love you for it. And the little snippets that you add like showing your wife's pumpkin display... are as adorable as you are. You remind people to laugh and to smile and that's one of your best qualities. Your sense of humor is adorable and your facts are on point, informative, and utilitarian. THANK YOU!
It's a bank holiday here in England, the sun is shining ( unbelievably ), and Dr Grande is here with another ripping yarn. Perfect. Love the shirt by the way
I wonder if he has any relation to Kenneth Copeland. 🤔 Ray almost sounds as crazy as Kenneth… almost. 😂
I've seen and read many articles on the Copelands.
Always interesting.
Thank you.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
I don't know why, I've seen many of Dr Grande's punny titles... But for whatever reason this one took me by surprise and made me laugh out loud (I mean come on, it is pretty ridiculous). Well done fine speculative sir 🥂
Sounds like you have GREAT taste to appreciate Dr. Grande and his awesomeness in Titles and videos! So, well done to YOU, fine spectacular sir! 🥂👍💖
You are so dang entertaining!
Lots of fun with this episode! Great Humor too!
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So good. Thanks Dr Grande👍👏
From MO and saw this covered on Forensic Files. Super interesting case
Law and Order Criminal Intent did an episode on this story, with a twist. One of my favorite episodes.
I love your channel...it's so nice how quick you get to the point and you have such a thorough, balanced approach to all these cases. Also, you have such a calming voice. I'm so glad I found your channel and thank you for all your work!! ❤
It's nice to know what kind of weird people out there thank you..
You're awesome Doc.
This is monsters just did this case today too. 2 of my favorite channels!
I loveghe deadpan humor you sprinkle in. I would like a definition of some of the psychology terms, if you could. Many lay-people watch.
This is interesting to me, I knew people who knew them. I would not be surprised if there were not more Copelands out here. Sad to say people disappear every day. I,m also reminded of the Benders in southern Kansas back in 1871-73. if I remember correctly they were never caught.
Yes the benders were never caught
@@angelaholmes8888 Thank you.
Great analysis.
Not what I'd imagine for the average farmer, or even the average farmer with some criminal history.
It's amazing how someone so universally despised was able to live so long.
The rotten crazy mugs with real serial psychopath killers.
It is always so sad that a person can live so long but come to an awful ending because of there own actions.
Good to know. There’s still hope for us late-bloomers.
I know. Better late than never.
An excellent video 📹
WE ARE ALL 'HOMELESS'
We may think of ourselves as financially secure. but we are one step away from being 'HOMELESS '.
A bad marriage: an addiction: mental or physical illness: loss of employment: national crisis etc.
HOMELESS PEOPLE are very vulnerable as they have nothing.
If you don't want to help a homeless person person, don't.
But to exploit them and hurt them is very wrong.
I come for the true crime, I stay for Dr. Grande's one-liners
Great analysis Dr Grande. I believe that Ray did the murders , personally I'm not sure if Faye was involved, but I believe she knew what was going on. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and topic.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say :Kenneth Copeland may be related to him hmmmm😬
The level of evil seems consistent
I enjoyed the video. What a despicable couple and to think they lived so long & destroyed so many lives.
Hey Dr.G, I suggested this story to you a few days ago!! Ty it happened in NW Missouri where I grew up.
Another case is Bobbie jo Stinnett, Lisa Montgomery murdered her by cutting out her baby. Happened in Skidmore, same town Ken Rex McElroy was gunned down.
The transient illegally obtained a police informant cow for Ray by mistake. No matter what you always throw in a great quip lol 😂 Maybe Ray was the real victim here. Thanks for another great analysis. Can you cover the case of Candy Montgomery? She hacked Betty Gore to death with a hatchet and got exonerated. She went on to practice mental health if you can believe it
See, who says old dogs can't learn new tricks!
Ray Copeland frequented the Green City, MO Livestock Auction on sale days. When the case broke and was on all the news stations in the area, my uncle exclaimed, "that's that guy who smelled so bad!"
My uncle had wound up sitting next to Ray on bleachers during an auction on one occasion and noted that Ray smelled so bad that it was noticeable even around other sweaty guys and the smells of animal waste. My uncle said he smelled so bad that he'd moved to get away from his particularly bad stench. On another auction date later on, Ray passed behind him and my Uncle knew it was him by the peculiar smell before he even turned around. Sure enough there was Ray.
I'm wondering if there's any relationship between peculiar and pronounced body odor and propensity for heinous crimes. Sounds like an odd question, but Hitler and Stalin were also noted for body odor.
Maybe so. Everyone who knows Hillary Clinton agrees that she always smelled bad, even before her husband was president.
@@cht2162 Ha! I see what you did there! Good one.
Faye made patchwork quilts with the clothing of the murdered men. That’s pretty cold.
Waste not want not.
Everyone in the Western Hemisphere should be subscribed to Dr. Grande.
finally!
an inspirationnal video!
Please analyze the background of New Jersey!
If Pam Hupp had used the Battered Woman Defense she might have gotten off scott free. Seems to work every time - at the very least for getting a sentence reduced.
It's always an advantage to be "cow free." Doesn't everyone agree?
Wild story. ThAnks for an interesting overview. I heard this one the first time on Forensic Files.
Grande needs to do the Mansons, maybe each of the Manson killers, one by one. That would be interesting.
Very interesting, and not completely without macabre
"Never too old to start a homicidal career" is the best video title on CZcams.
Inspiring
As a youngster in the 1950-60s, I knew a man who had, I believe, some of these traits.
In a way,he was subtly terrifying to me. Later, I learned he had ties to Chicago’s gangster activities, and ran liquor from Canada to Chicago and Detroit on Great Lakes steamers during prohibition.
He was old and bent by arthritis, but he liked me. I even learned Great Lakes history from him, but every time I left Gus, I felt a level of relief.
By the time I met him as a boy, he was harmless, but there was something of past evil or malice that alerted even this young, dumb kid.