Coleman CT200U-EX minibike Predator 212 engine swap / Top speed
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- Coleman CT200U-EX minibike predator 212 engine swap / Top speed
Swapped out the 196cc engine from the Coleman CT200U-EX minibike for a modified predator 212 to see what difference the Predator would make to the top speed.
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Parts used in this build -
ARC.020 billet rod - www.arcracing.com/6256-billet...
ARC billet flywheel - www.arcracing.com/6695-predat...
GX 160 head - www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...
VM22 Mikuni carburetor - www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
Header pipe - www.ebay.com/itm/273555452026...
3/4 shaft clutch - www.ebay.com/itm/313092339316...
Riser mount - www.ebay.com/itm/153979950963
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Mad scientist at work again I'm wondering if you ran a 16 Inch tire instead of Coleman 19 inch if you would pick up a few more mph food for thought
Smaller tire would give a lower top speed but better acceleration
I need one of those scientist lab coats lol. LIke Anthony Gendron said it would give it lower top speed and better acceleration. My little blue bike with those five-inch wheels spins up quick!
i got a coleman with 20" tires 38t and 10t and im hiting 55 tucked on flat
@@Black66 that would be hilarious put on the back of the lab coat Black66 academy of speed
@@heathenprojects2639 It would !🤣
Great video and good work showing the comparisons on the mods you did to that bike. Keep me coming!
Hey brother I just wanna say I really appreciate you I stumbled upon a couple of your videos because my wife wants to buy me this bike just a commute from home to work, I’ve watched all the videos to do the upgrades and I’m gonna buy one next week on my birthday I really appreciate your videos I subscribe to you!!
Thank you! I appreciate that. Glad the videos help you.
Nice man I just picked up a Coleman 200 uex I am in love just gotta install my go power sports parts 😎
Thanks! Nice bike!! I bet you will really like it . It’s a smooth riding bike
Great video. Please continue making videos on this bike!
Thanks ! I have more coming
@@Black66 looking forward to it 👍
Oh, remember I mentioned the two VM's being different? I was going crazy not being able to tune them and finally figured out the needle jet was completely different and I had left it on the cable when I swapped it initially. Hours wasted but a learning experience
That's awesome! Cool, you can use that carb now. I'm always doing stuff like that. I should do a blooper reel LOL
@@Black66 I'm loving the Nibbi but may put the VM to use on the other project if it even gets started. I think a blooper reel would be fun, but I'd advise against it. Stay sterling. You've earned it
Great video thanks for the info 👍😁
Thanks! If you haven't checked it the CT200U-EX playlist already ,check it out. czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
Amazing!
Iam New To Your Channel. And Enjoy All The Content. Keep It Coming
Thanks! Ill keep it coming.
Soo how do I swap the predator with it? Is it pretty direct or what extra part do I need? I’m new to bike modding
How did you wire the headlight?
Great video I’m trying to swap out a 196cc with a 224 but what u called the Jack shaft kit is hitting on new motor can I get a different gear for it or do I need it that Jack for the 200ex coleman
I’m doing 22 lb springs and a vm 22 carb with a 17.5 pilot and a 125 jet. 212 predator on same frame. Along with a upgraded exhaust. Still trying to figure out sprocket ratio. Mind me asking what’s your weight. Building this one for my brother and he’s 140 pounds lol
Love your videos the teach me a lot
Thanks!
@@Black66 How fast could I get the bike
@@locklearperformancessmalle4032 into the 50's or 60's . Check out the play list for the CT200U-EX czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
wait what is the riser mount for? the link doesnt exist anymore
I need help guys.. I got a axis mb200... If the predator is it a few CCs higher why change.. ???
What app do you use for speed testing? I cant find one that works well for me.
I use digHUD for the phone and I also use a Dragy performance meter for zero to thirty times
Loved this video bro now need a jugernot tourqe converter
I put a juggernaut on the doodlebug. It's a beast! czcams.com/video/1iX7fRS9dwU/video.html
@@Black66 yeah I saw that that thing moves👍
Hi I’m taking my stock motor out to get the 212 in I was wondering what size you used to get those bolts out at 2:28
5/16x24, You can get the kit at GoPowerSports or Amazon
How did you hook up your headlight with the 212?
Need a lighting coil
If you dont mind me asking where did you get this motor ive been looking and i dont know if this is the 212 or the 212 ghost, thanks in advance
Its a Predator 212. Check out the Ghost playlist for many Ghost videos. czcams.com/video/ONJbFaEecQM/video.html
I installed my predator non hemi and mikuni carb and full throttled it and it blew up in like 5 seconds. Any idea why? Do I need modded billet rods and inside governor removal so it wont blow up at high speeds?
Uh yes bro
What was the brand for your riser mount? Do you have a link? Doing the predator engine swap this weekend after watching these videos
The link is in the description
i see that the clutch is pushed up against the jackshaft pretty snug.. did you not put any sort of collar for the shaft? i put like two washers on mine and my clutch is poking out a little so the bolt isn’t going in all the way
I have done so many videos with the CT200U-EX it's hard to remember a given combo. Check out the playlist for many engine and part combos with this bike. czcams.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/video.html
Hey I couldn't help but notice but I have the exact same bike and I did the exact same thing you did but when you went to go put the clutch back on there's a spacer behind the clutch did you go to the hardware store and find a 3/4 bore spacer or did you do what I did take the one off the stock engine cutting notch in it and resize it
I have an assortment of washers lying around I use
@@Black66 still what I did wasn't a bad idea either
@@spikemandan No it wasn't. If I didn't have these washers lying around I would have done the same thing you did.
Do you think the 212 and the tork converter would fit with out moving the gas can and you’d still be Abel to fuel up
Yes. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many combos with this bike. czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
So all you need for a swap is the larger 3/4" c-clutch to match the larger drive shaft and the rest bolts up the same? I have an extra pz28 mikuni clone as well.
Yes, everything bolts up. Like you said. You do need the 3/4 clutch for the shaft on the predator.
@@Black66 Just watched your other video on the 212 with the chain driven shaft and holy hell that thing got up there quick lol.. Them predator engines are frickin solid man and for such a low price too.
Hey just curious what size jets you running in that carb and what elevation you’re at.
Here is the 196 jet video on this bike. It really depends on the set up but usually in the smaller engines, I will run a 110 or 115 main at this elevation. czcams.com/video/wpT_ep4QdB8/video.html
good job black66 can you let me know how do you wire up the conections for head light and switch.can you help me please. than you for your exelent videos.
Dont you need something to separate the clutch from touching the metal that protects the engine?
Yes, a spacer but I did not see him use one 🤔
the only extra part you need for this swap is a 3 quarter clutch? every other part including the chain and all that work fine with it?
great question hopefully someone can confirm
Yup! Drops in
Can I ask you something ? What if my jack shaft didn’t come off as easy as yours did ? My little one came off quick but the one on the left is like stuck
I'm having the same issue. Did you ever get it off?
We're did you get your gas tank and 40 tooth rear sprocket feom
Links for the parts used are in some of the video descriptions.
Wow. I would like to see that with a tach on the bike. Had to be at least 7500 RPM with that gearing and MPH.
Ya, it was screaming for sure!
You prob won’t answer but I’m doing the same exact thing. Wondering if you had to get different chains or if the original chains worked. When I go to buy the clutch it comes with a 3ft chain but idk if I need to buy the shorter chain. If you see this or anyone sees this and knows I would appreciate if you would let me know. Thanks
The original chain works with the Predator swap as long as you are using the jackshaft.
@@Black66 okay thanks that’s what I was wondering. Appreciate it
How did you wire the head light? I’m not sure how to set that up.
That’s what my question is also because once you swap the 196 for the predator you lose the lights? That’s what my cousin told me because he swapped his.
Do you have to put your key on the shaft to put the clutch cause when I crank it on the shaft is moving I have a max torque clutch with mikuni carb and I changed that the jet to 115 I can't figure out why as soon as I turn on it takes off any help
Make sure you have the bushing lubed on the clutch. If it's not lubed it sometimes will bind and catch as soon as it is started.
Make sure the engine isn't idling too high.
Ok going to do that what kind of lube do I need
I got a question if you got an ultra light flywheel do you gotta have a cam in it?
Ya, you can run a billet flywheel and more timing with the stock cam. The billet flywheels have more timing built-in.
@@Black66 okay cool thank you, also I don’t know if ur having the same problem as I am but the kickback when pulling it is crazy
@@ericyuriar9055 Ya, seems like that engine has really good compression
Valves may be out of adjustment.
Why switch to a predator 212.. if yours already got 200 cc .. what's the difference 12 cc??? I don't get it. Help. I just got axis mb200.. and I'm tryna figure out why would I spend that much more money for 12cc
The channel is about amongst other things different part combos along with full builds and testing the results. Check out the playlist for many different engine combos. Thanks for watching! czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
On that mini bike can you run with just one chain instead of 2 chains on the predator motor
Yes! I removed the jack shaft. Just running a clutch on it for now.
So the clutch for the old motor won’t fit on a predator ?
The 196 has a 16MM shaft. At least the later ones. You can buy an adapter. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. I use an adapter on some of the videos. czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
Nice. Thinking about getting this Coleman frame. I have a streaker and a older frame with the 212 on it. If I don’t put all my weight forward it just does wheelies. Is this bike the same way? A wheelie monster ?
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist . I have many engine and part combos on this bike czcams.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/video.html
That's a good looking bike
Thanks! Ya, I like that bike. It's smooth going down the road.
@@Black66 looks like it would be great for the trails
@@tashatorrid Ya, I think it would be.
That bike is a beast. It feels heavy
@@Black66 yeah, I don't think much thought other than price point and marketability went into these little toys of ours. I've been into bicycles most of my life and couldn't believe how easy it was to drop about 1/4 of the weight off most bikes although it wasn't very affordable
@@tashatorrid That’s so true . Wonder how much they do make on one of these things ?
Hey Black on the 200 ex bike I got torque converter with engine riser but I don't want to cut the chain guard brackets do u think the engine plate would work without cutting chain guard bracket?
Ya, all that stuff should bolt on there with the riser mount . I just did one myself on the 200 . With the riser mount everything bolted on without any fabrication . The only thing I had to do was shorten the chain .
@@Black66 does the engine riser give you play to move engine forward or back. Also do you have room for gas tank to put gas in?
@@l.a.m7645 Yes , it gives you plenty of adjustment forward and back . It’s a really nice mount . Yes, on a CT200 you have plenty of room for the gas tank
Hey I just ordered the green spring for torque converter and I will remove the red one out and I will put it in the 3rd hole as well
Hey Black what size gap should I set my valve springs exhaust side and intake side for a Predator 212? Should I go with 18# or 22lb# valve springs with stock cam and rods?
What did u do for the gas tank?
It's on there. LOL, You just can't see it. I have a video coming out Wednesday.
Hello, I’m new to this whole mini bike thing, I’ve gotten the same bike you have and your videos have been a huge help upgrading my bike. I do have a question, have you or can you explain how to run the kill switch wire?
Yes, I run a kill switch about three minutes into this video czcams.com/video/eEN2Jo0wgB0/video.html
I have a predator 212 I installed and the chain is vibrating very hard
@@zoboy2440 tension and oul
What did you do, did you mash your thumb? It looks like it.
Yes!! and it hurt for like a month! lol I smashed it when I was doing the Micro bike video
Do you have a mini bike store close by? Or what?
No, I order pretty much everything on line for the bikes.
Hey bud, so I just got my coleman all stock engine except for the carb and header pipe it is a 212cc predator hemi. But I went ahead and did a straight chain but now I lost mph and it stutters and it just doesn't pick up. With the jack shaft it did 38 mph and it would pickup great. But now that it's straight chain it lost power big time, not only that but sparks comes out of the clutch
Any insight?
Thanks!
If you are a heavier rider you might have to throw a bigger sprocket on the back to regain some of the low end. Doesn't sound like it has the torque to pull the bike into the power band of the engine with the big tires and higher gear ratio. Also, with the bigger sprocket it will be easier on the clutch. Straight chain usually will work great for a small or light rider because the bike will have enough torque to pull someone small even with the higher gear ratio.
@@Black66 I do have the smaller sprocket installed on the bike that you used on a previous video for sure. That makes sense. However with the jack shaft I run out of engine really quick it only goes 38mph and my engine runs out of rpm super quick.
My friend with a 196cc smaller sproket, carb and header pipe his bike is doing 43.6mph and his limiter is loooong if that makes sense.
But my 212 predator with carb, header pipe and smaller sproket it hits limiters super quick. The acceleration is instant but my top end just runs out.
Would you recommend a better cam for that?
@@boostedchalo6066 If you have stock Predator valve springs, a cam and springs will for sure make all the difference.
@@Black66 thank you so much for the input and responding. Love the videos man. Keep it up really enjoy watching the mods!👌🏽
Awesome videos. I'm looking at doing the Predator 212 swap on my Coleman CT200U-EX and wondering what parts I'll need for it or where you can direct me to figure it all out. Thank you!!!
It's a pretty direct swap . The only main difference was the 16mm shaft to the 3/4 shaft on the Predator for the clutch. . Not sure if you looked at the CT200U playlist. we have tried a lot of different stuff on this bike along the way.czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
@@Black66 im looking at the Max-Torque Brand 3 quarter clutch and its asking me how many teeth, 10-16, would you know how many i should get?
But y.. if the pred is only 15 cc higher
Just got one with 22lb spring how fast u think it will run without governor and 22 mikuni card
If you live at a lower altitude than me, I think it could be a little faster than this one. The 212 Predator in this video had 22lb springs also
@@Black66 think u
What cam is in the 212?
We have run many different cams in the 212. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist czcams.com/video/j7U_0GgGLng/video.html
What gas tank you have installed?
Here is the gas tank video. Also check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many more combos with this bike czcams.com/video/j7U_0GgGLng/video.html
How much would you say all of the parts to get it up to 50 mph cost
Check out the playlist for this bike, we have tried many different combos . I guess it depends if you want to do it with the 196 or the 212 czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
Can I ride mine without the jackshaft I picked up a powerfist engine and the bolt pattern is different
Check out the playlist on this bike for all the different combos. One is straight chained czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
Thanks for the comment back so quick will check it out,
will this setup be safe for long periods of wide open throttle?
So far so good. Check out the playlist for this bike. It has had many different combos. czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
@@Black66 can i contact you in some way? i just swapped my 196 for a 212 but i’m having some problems
@@koyotekev5082 Email is best
How did you advance the timing on the CT200UEX ?
The inexpensive way is to use a timing key. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. There is a video in the list where I advance the timing.
czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
@@Black66 I was thinking about advancing the timing, but parts joints charge an arm and a leg for shipping and I'm on a fixed income.
Thank you for the reply.
I learn a lot from your shows keep them up.
Hey Black should I go with a Tillotson engine over a Predator? Also does the stage 1 kit intake and header pipe compatible with the Tillotson?
The Tillotson is built better. But the Predator will do just fine too. lol I guess it depends on how much you want to spend. If I was going to do an all-out build, I for sure would build the Tillotson. Stronger block.
Ya, you can do a stage one on a Tilly.
@@Black66 Did u do a Tilly vs predator engine speed video?
@@l.a.m7645 Yes I did . Let me look to see when I have it coming out .
@@Black66 Oh great on the Camo 200 would be great us big guys can't ride those little 100s lol
@@l.a.m7645 Oh ya for sure! I know what you're saying. That big bike is nice.
Hell yeah man, i want to make my bike just like yours! What should I pick up?
Check out the playlist for this bike. The parts are listed in the description of a lot of the videos. czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
@@Black66 you’re the man! Thank you boss !
where did you get that modified motor
Built it. Check out the playlist for the build and many combos this bike has had. czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
What carb do you
Use?
I have used many different carbs and combos with this bike. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. Thanks for watching! czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
Hi it would be great if u can list all the item in the video like the link to the engine and the other items that u did just to install the engine thank you
I’ll have to do that .
what size jet do you have in that mukini?
@black66 ?
How far do you get
Do u have a video on what u did with the gas tank?
yes, I think it’s coming out in a week or so .
I was wondering the same lol
@@Christian-ve9vb Maybe , Ive thought about it
What mph would it do with a stock predator 212?
A totally stock and governed Predator I'm guessing not much faster than the 196cc
@@Black66 what about a governed 212 with a stage 1
@@813.smokey2 That governor holds it back . Take that governor off and add some 18lb springs if it doesnt have them already , and that predator will move out really good!
you hit one bump with that thing going that speed and you are toast.I have two of these and they just about break your back going over a small pothole at 20 mph so I cant even imagine how unstable and unsafe it is to go 55 on it....why?....what is the point?
The point is having fun with mini bikes. That is what the channel is about. Check the playlist , getting close to 400 mini bike videos. We have suspension bikes, street bikes and pretty much everything in between. Everyone is different and has different tastes. I say just have fun whatever your taste. I don't take this stuff to seriously its just a hobby.
We’re did you find the clutch
I usually put the links to the parts in the description of the videos. Check out the CT200U=EX for many engine and part combos with this bike czcams.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/video.html
@@Black66 thank you so much
Where can I get that carb ??
The link for the carburetor is in the description
Where can I find the engine and the name of it
Harbor freight. Predator 212
What kind of chain u use for your 212cc motor
RLV gold on gold
@@Black66 sorry to bother u but is it a particular size I need or just rlv gold on gold?. By the way I love your vids
@@kenny352100 If your doing a 212 swap on a Coleman CT200U-EX you can use the stock chain. No need for gold on gold. Sorry about that. For some reason I thought you were using 35 chain.
@@Black66 no sir but I really appreciate that info keep making vids
@@kenny352100 Thanks! Thanks for watching the videos.
How many teeth did the clutch have
10 tooth clutch
45mph on a stock internal 196cc?
Yes! actually faster than that. Check out the playlist czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
Ok I’m gonna mod mine lol
I just zip tied the governor Much faster I wonder if I’m getting valve float
If I buy a predator would I need engine risers for a torque converter
Yes, easy swap with an engine riser .
@@Black66 where could I get a vm carb for the predator motor and engine riser?
@@mannyrodriguez9293 I put the link to most of the parts in the description. I think I have the link to the riser mount in my other videos on the CT200U-EX or the CT200U videos
@@Black66 will u drop a link for a engine riser for the ct200u-ex
@@mannyrodriguez9293 I’m pretty sure I put a link in the description on one of the CT200U-EX videos
So what’s all in it?
Ill have to put that stuff in the description but it has a 265 cam with 22lb springs a GX160 head a billet rod, a billet flywheel, and the Mikuni and the header pipe.
Needs a torque converter...makes a big difference on mine.
Check out the play list for this bike. Its had quite a few different combos czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
your doing a top speed run without a proper break-in period
Yup! wide open the first run out.! And soon after the governor was taken off and a header pipe with a VM22 carburetor and a 7-degree flywheel key was added and we ran it even harder! Wide-open most of the time. This bike has been a test mule straight out of the box and still runs perfect! Great bike!
Check out my other videos
@@Black66 must be nice to have enough money to play like that
@@thomastaylor6511 Not really about the money . We like testing things . With this bike We found out that you can take a Brand new Coleman bike and run it beyond hard right out of the box and it will run amazing even 8 months later .
I’m totally surprised that 196 is that durable . Great engine !
This engine still has the governor wheel inside the case .This was another thing we wanted to test . We wanted to see how a 196 would hold up with out even opening up the case to take out the governor wheel . Totally stock internals . But at the same time add a carb header pipe and timing .
I wish you could work on my bike. I’m after power not speed tho
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. There are many different combos on there. Thanks for watching
czcams.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/video.html
Link me with the carb you running plz
It's the knock-off carb. here is the link VM22 Mikuni carburetor www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JHKB9CF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@Black66 thank you 😊
lil chain greese on theslide never hurt i guess !!!!
It made it go 53 MPH LOL
Its a beast!
@@Black66 hell yea 54 is dope
@@Black66 u can jump on that thing an creep up like a fricin ninja and bam!!!!
@@Spacecruizer203 Only because of the grease on the slide !😂
Where you line I live in Mississippi
Arizona
Straight chain it and turn the clutch around you'll hit 60 easy.
Check out my other videos
We are wanting it to be faster but at the same time have decent torque
Are Going To Have Merch.?
I thought about it . I have design in mind .
Maybe.
It’s Cool you guys are interested in something like that .
That Would Be Real Cool. One Of My Favorite Builds You Did Was The Pink Micro Bike Engine Swap With The Coleman CC100x 3hp
@@albertpeterson7134 Thanks! Tried to get the smallest bike I could fit on. lol
Still think the predators better.
I like it when he goes from slightly stock to predator then pulls that Tilly out bang for buck predator get it done but Tilly that's were it the fun begins been playing with a wildcat mild stage 2 I'm not 💯 on what I want to mount it on tho
0-30??
Ill have to get one going on that
I’m sure your neighbors love you zipping in front of their residential homes at 52 miles an hour in the neighborhood???
Actually, they come out and visit me. I have a good rapport with all the neighbors
Not a diy for the rest of us…