NBA Archetypes That Went Extinct
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what’s the worst first date spot to go to
France
The basement
Epstein Island
A rudy Gobert game
Charlotte Bobcats game
Making this and then IT immediately getting a contract with the Suns is hilarious
It’s just 10 days 🤷🏾♂️
IT aint just some random small dude tho
@@agentzeeda4421The potential to get another 10 day or a contract for the whole year is still on the table.
my mans gon dropped anyway
If we being honest he won't be around long so he's got a point.
Rudy Gobert, Jarret Sllen and Clint Capela are pick and roll bigs. They hardly ever post up.
Post up bigs are actually making a comback. Jokic, Embiid, Sabonis, Sengun all of these guys play in the post quite frequently and are very effective.
Bro did NOT just call Jokic a back to the basket big. Half of his shots are pull-up middies and threes. There really isn't any real back to the basket bigs. Some "power forwards" (quotes because they be those guys who play PF and be 6'8) have that back to the basket mentality (don't ask for names cuz I don't know any of them, I just seen them n highlights), but no centers in today's NBA come to mind when I think of back to the basket bigs
@@mateohammer67 You watch the Nuggets?
Its not an archetype of only the stars do it. When role players start being specialized in the post again we are talking. I think it died with Jahlil Okafor
@@SiccazHD There aren't many role players who specialize in one on one scoring in general. I'd say the best you would get, Even historically, is a third option with significant post skill.
We have a few of those guys, Vucevic, Valanciunas, Ayton (though people like to laugh at him, this is one of his main strengths), Nurkic
@@SiccazHDI’ve heard Okafor was someone who could post up and hardly do anything else.
Could Enes Freedom also be someone like that?
The Nash and Tony Parker disrespect is crazy
Stockton too. The guy was indeed a pass first guy, but was an excellent scorer when he had to, including from 3 and was an excellent defender. Nowadays he would've filled a similar role to a Chris Paul. While Nash and Parker were also good scorers from all ranges (even if they weren't great defenders)
@@franciscoduran4618 Nash especially would have dominated if he played in this era, he would easily average 27 and 10 if not better
@@RIPJimmyA7Xyou glazing it. That's not his mentality
@@no.con.dom15 It probably would be if he played today.
yeah bro, they were scorers too ... Tony parker was the super fast lay up and flotter god, he's more like a Kyrie than a pass guy.
The worst date spot is sitting court side to a pistons game and lakers game with no Lebron and ad.😂
She finna leave you midgame for Austin Reaves
yall have no real game and rely on being tricks and your whiteness to get any where with bitches@@Cyantist13
I know you didn't just call Clint Capela a back to basket big. Dude has absolutely no post moves, no touch around the rim. Misses bunnies all the time. All he does well is rebound.
Rebound and catch lobs tbh
He’s a paint beast
Hes a pnr center
@@ssjsal2159stop using these dumbass 2k terms and go play some ball outside damn
Harden made him look good fr fr
I'd say another arcetype that will dissapear is like a HOF defense, like the 2004 Pistons, because the offense in the NBA is ever increasing and the defense is getting stagant, and maybe may decline in the future.
Hope they buff defense in the next patch
Nah that's a stupid asf take defense will become more popular along with offense
do y’all watch the celtics
timberwolves rn are hella defensive
@@ddylanchanthe rules heavily favor offense tho
Trae young is a strong 5’11
Darius Garland, Jalen brunson, hell Mike Conley is still in the league all this time later and he is only bout 6 foot 6 1 and anyway their have never been that many small guards in the league at one time
Trae is 6’1
Look at his height at the combine buddy
That’s still pretty tall I’m that height especially with shoes we can reach 6’0-6’1
@@GodlyZaeHe listed at 6'1 likey listed AI listed at 6 foot but they both at best 5'11
Jarred Vanderbilt is one of the last wing sized players that got no offensive bag at all 💀
Killian Hayes & Josh Giddey are some of the last playmakers that can’t really score much either but Hayes got released soo that says it all
He can shoot a lil bit but that's about it
@@averageproblemno he cant
@@mintyy304 when I mean lil bit, I mean not that good
@@averageproblemJohnathan Isaac
Matisse Thybulle
The play making pg ain't dead, it's just the ones that pass first normally can't shoot (unlike Nash, who was a bucket anywhere on the court).
Fr you gotta be all around to even be decent in the nba or your just gonna get exploited everytime you get on the court (ben simmons)
@@simeon8967facts Ben Simmons can do everything BUT shoot and he is trash simply because of that alone 😂
Tyrese Haliburton
@@AllTimeTay8tyrese haliburton can pretty much do everything tho
Eh, Stockton was a pretty good bucket-getter when he had to (plus an excellent defender to boot), it's just that Jerry Sloan's system asked him to set his teammates first and foremost and since 1. He was elite at finding the open teammate and 2. He had an elite finisher in Karl Malone, he didn't have to score as much. But he could take over scoring duties without much of a problem, like, for example, game 6 of the 96-97 Western Conference finals where he cooked the Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler Rockets in the fourth quarter (including the game-winning dagger) almost by himself.
I would also say the inside the arc demons (Demar Derozan playstyle). I say this because coaches and owners now look down in them because of analytics and stuff. I dont think Derozan is going to get signed on a contender unless he takes something like a paycut or something along those lines.
Nah actually the three point shooting has increased the value of the midrange offense
@@i_fuze_hostages6yep
Low-key SGA is one since he does most if his damage at the rim. Close shots, floaters, pumpfakes, all of it.
While the midrange shot has gotten way less valuable, it hasn’t died yet, and it is absolutely a great skill to have in this current age. Think about all the elite mid range scorers on recent championships teams. Jokic, Murray, Middleton, Kawhi, KD, Kyrie. Most of the recent champions rely heavily on midrange scorers when offense gets stagnant. Being able to get a reliable two points without have to create offense is extremely valuable.
The difference between those guys and DeMar is that they are all also great shooters, while DeMar isn’t. The midrange shot gets increasingly less valuable if the scorer isn’t reliable from deep, it makes it harder to get to your spots and it takes away the possibility to get to the rim. Fortunately DeMar is also a great passer for his size, which is another way to create spacing and allow yourself more room to score, so I do actually think there is a world where he can contribute to a championship level team.
nah the best niggas shoot there
I miss Isaiah Thomas😢
Got signed to suns
He’s back
Jit hard
I gotta mention my guy JJ Barea here. Bro got inserted into the starting lineup in the FINALS and changed the series
Trey your videos fye but I be looking forward to your freestyles at the end of the video each time it be having me weak😂🔥
another dead archetype is the tough shot taking/high volume scoring guards(kobe, tmac, ai) entertaining asl but the spacing of today allows for smoother offense and easier looks compared to dead ball era.
Nga what??? you tweakin
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, James Harden, Devin Booker, Steph Curry (maybe), Kyrie Irving, Luka Doncic, Jamal Murray, Anthony Edwards, and Damian Lillard are all players that self-create shots at a high volume. Some of them create more from 3 than mid range, but overall these are all players like that.
@@damageisdumbthis dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about😂
@@damageisdumbfacts it’s just easier to score due to space so percentages are up
Caris levert
love the humor and vid man, yessir 🇵🇭
Love you treyyy❤️
Timing can’t be worse with the Isaiah Thomas take 😂 boy just got picked up by the suns
For 10 games.
@@jamaljames1598 was still picked up wasn't he? there's also Jalen Bruson's who exist in the NBA ... Trae Young, Darius Garland, etc
@@the77th if they pick you up for ten games, something tells me that they don’t really need you.
Tbf Jarrett Allen has been pretty much carrying the cavs this season. With DG not playing the best, DM and JA have really stepped up
Excellent commentary, you made solid points
Nahhhhh gang had to sub after that SoundCloud shi at the end ong that shi was gas
Great vid but you said back to the basket while showing Capela and Gobert 😂
I feel like nobody dunks in-game like Vince Carter anymore. Every dunk now is just posters. Nobody jumps super high and do some creative powerful dunks. It feels like every dunks now is super basic compared to Vince's era.
you don't watch the games
Bro Anthony Edwards exists.
@@KyryanRoselmao homie didn’t watch yesterdays game
Paul George lmaoo
Ja and Ant Man
Very entertaining 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Keep up the great work !!!!!
Bruh wth 😂 I’ve never laughed so hard at a basketball video good shit 🤙🏽
This isn't good for African-Americans
bro only likes offense tf 😂😂 said he don’t wanna see defense/passing/rebounds this the problem with the modern league 😂 need defense and shit :/ video funny asl tho ❤
I don’t think he said that I think he was saying don’t be a one trick pony and the nba right now u need a least a decent jumper to go along with great defense
Yeah I rok wit Bros channel but when it comes to hoop he's another one of these young dudes who doesn't care about defense, hustle, heart the sh!t that wins games all he cares about is "having a bag"
Im literally tryna figure out why he said he hates ppl that play good defense
Bro no amount of defense in the world can stop Steph, Giannis,KD, Lebron or Embiid. The only way to combat them is to match them on offense.
No one in their right mind will choose Dennis Rodman/Jarred Vanderbilt over Iverson/James Harden, or even Draymond/ Ben Wallace/ Rudy Gobert over Nikola Jokic/Dirk Nowitski,
Look at how teams play Draymond and Russ, you don’t think Rodman would get the same treatment?
Whatever flaws Rodman had scoring, he more than made it up with his offensive rebounder. Plus, he was a decent passer from the post.
As long as the other 4 guys weren't trash scorers, you could easily get by.
IT signed for the rest of the season lol 😭
This video hard 😂 had to sub
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bro get this guy to 100k subs
please do discovering discographies wiht trippie redd he has so many hidden bangers
Bro yo commentary hilarious 😂
luv u trey
Going back to the crib to watch Gobert highlights
Another archetype you missed are midrange snipers
The middy is the most beautiful shot, sad that this is dying
The point about middies being beautiful is so true, and I don’t even know why. Like middies aren’t as flashy as dunks or as impressive as a deep 3, but it feels so good to watch one. I remember just watching mj highlights just to see them.
Nah it ain’t dead. All superstars in the game today have a lethal mid range game. It’s what separates the starters and stars.
i wanna see another Shawn Livingston
@@artrimiks I don’t think that is quite accurate. The midrange is the dumbest shot to take statistically no matter how good you are at it, it always makes more sense to drive for a layup or step back into a three. Superstars just have more leeway in their shot selection. They don’t have to worry about getting benched if they take too many middies, and they take more shots than other players
@@duubiousdisc The midrange shot isn’t a dumb shot. the “long 2” is the dumbest shot because of the difficulty of shot vs return. Because why not step a foot back and nail a 3?
defenses today know to protect the paint and to run shooters off the 3. todays stars feast off that open middle area.
Every single superstar in todays game has a very capable midrange game. Stars get that leeway because of how skilled they are scoring at all 3 levels.
Yo opinion was fair and nice bra u funny 😂
The commentary is f’n golden. lol. Hilarious
saying small guards are extinct when Jalen Brunson is tearing up the league hell even FVF is doing bits
Exception isn’t the rule
@@donnyg9993 Trae young? TJ McConnell? Darius Garland? Collin Sexton?
@@______yawn6419 that’s 4 guys out of 400 in the league. The only way small guards can stay in the league nowadays is if they’re an all-NBA talent or they’re relegated to backup roles like McConnell
@@donnyg9993 but that's always been the rate within the NBA in recent years tho. the laegue has always been dominated by larger players so any player 6ft2 and under is going to have to be a talent. ive given you 6 players that are 6ft2 or under and that's excluding people like CP3, kyrie or tyrese maxey the point is these naming all these player can't be the exception it just means his point is wrong
@@______yawn6419 you named exclusively all stars, which is my point. You can’t be an average NBA player below 6 foot 3. And now that we’re seeing taller guards like Cade who can do all the PG duties while being more versatile on defense, smaller guards are gonna have an even harder time finding a place in the league
Carmelo and Allen Iverson... That kind of scorer that needs too much shots
Tbh good riddance because that hurts the offense more. Unless they type to have a bad field goal but good True shooting percentage.
Hilarious you say this when Luka already has the same seasons averaging over 20 shots per game than Melo does in his entire career.
W vid glad i subbed
The way you put this video together 🫡
The mid range assailant.
It’s 6 mins in…. I subscribed… had two after he showed the Thompson twins
This boy raps r 🔥 as fuk bro needs to be in Spotify
Calling Tony Parker a play making only guard is crazy!!!!
Seen that fuckin Frenchman tear apart my heat with nothing but automatic floaters
A French Montana concert for the worst date
brunson lowkey still carrying the small guard archetype
Those pass first pts could shoot though. Rondo could slash, and guys like Nash could shoot as good as any modern player.
Im lit that hustle build. Im ot makin no shot but im hustlin to get rebounds and lockin up
Shut tf up, ur not him
Another archetype you missed would be the pure sharpshooter aka guys who can only shoot and do nothing else. Guys like Joe Harris, Davis Bertans, Buddy Hield are fading away
Duncan Robinson ain’t going nowhere
Nah these guys actually suit this era really well
Nah those guys will always have a spot in a league that prioritizes perimeter scoring. You can never have too many shooters to space the floor
U do make bangers
Brunson and fvv short asl
Also Jacob gilyard and marquis nowell
trae young shorter than both of em
Right like a lot of guys even today in the NBA that are listed 6ft 6'1 even 6'2 really be like 5'11 or a tall 5'10
@@johndavis9321not “a lot”
1v1 me trey
Look at that, looks like we have another person who underestimates nba players 💀💀
IT coming back right after this is crazy bro thought it was personal
You should do a video ranking nba player jump shots and jail is the answer
Man that herbo made me randomly start spittin at the dinner table
My bro funny AF and raps FRFR
0:23 did bro just say burnt at the stock 🤣
You Shitted On The Thompson Twins They Got Potential To Be Scorers & Playmakers While Being Big Guards 🤣
Tony Parker and Nash were dangerous offensive scorers.
I love u Trey ❤
FVV still out here being itty bitty on the rockets. Having a good season.
Tony Parker?? This man Know that Tony Parker lead the league for a whole season in PIP as a point guard??
fire vidddd
Bro just be yapping 😂
I think we will see more back to the back center in the future those guys just need to be able to shoot.
The reason that small players are no longer going to be seen in the NBA is because 20 to 30 years ago small players were the ones with the skill, and big players had the muscle. But now everybody, regardless of size, is expected to be able to pass, handle and of course shoot like the small guards of yesteryear. So if everybody is equally skilled, size wins. It's also about defense. If you can't guard pretty much any position from 1 through to 4, if not all 5, then you're a liability on defense. Basically, the smallest person on a team now, ideally would be someone like Jalen Williams, Mikal Bridges, Jayson Tatum etc you need to be be at least 6'6" and have a 7' wingspan, be fast on your feet and be able to jump.
Anything that's short, fat, slow, can't jump, can't shoot is gone.
Yes the requirement for the game has gotten better. Short players will no longer be in the big levels.
If we talkin about pass first guys, my boy Mike Conley needs a shout out
Lol he described the magic they have tall players and they have guards that can't shoot like fultz AB and Jalen is getting better but he's iffy sometimes
Lonzo Ball has that playmaker pass first build. But idk if hes even gonna play again
"Itty bitty, little as hell, small as shit guards" 😭😭😭
Any midrange shooter builds. I got hyped whenever I used to see a team that had a good midrange shooter since they also tended to be a 3pt threat, the defense would spread thin trying to cover inside the 3pt line and on the perimeter. I could be wrong though.
Nah the twins had me fucking dead 🤣
The fact no one wants defense only guys is part of the reason the offense has exploded, its like the entire league just ignored, then forgot there was a whole other half of the game. Its made the game way too one sided, and it feels incomplete watching it
You should have added the Kobe architype to the list just to piss people off. Guy who dominates the ball, shoots 42% from the field almost all 2's, going for 30 every game like Iverson, trying to be MJ replacement as teams were shooting for.
bruh jarret is a beast tho, look at the damn season he is having
fire beat in this vid
Bro said rip passing just score lol and then dropped a fucking banger
Guys like Jarred Vanderbilt (defensive guy with no bag lol) and Tyus Jones (true PG) are still in the league, and yeah, you gotta be more versatile in today's league, but they're good enough at what they do that they still impact the game heavily like Vando singlehandedly turning the Lakers into an elite defense and Tyus leading the league in assists/TO ratio for like 6 years and making the Grizzlies look dangerous without Ja, then they still have a place in the league.
I think back-to-the-basket bigs could still have a place in the league, but the problem is that most (non-star) guys with good post moves today are defensive liabilities like Boban, or just suck at other skills, like Jahlil Okafor. Imagine a guy like Steven Adams with a post game, maybe he won't be the #1 option in today's league anymore, but he sure as well would be welcome as a #2 or #3. Jarrett Allen is probably the closest to this archetype tbh.
Clint Capella is right there with Deuces Drummond and Kevon Looney. They have ZERO offense aside from rebounding and perhaps lob targets
A youngin made this video you should talk about how men in the 90s were just different. DJ Burns is killing it in college basketball right now because he’s backing dudes into the paint and they can’t stop him. After watching how effective it was I could only imagine how Shaq would average 50 points no free throws in today’s world of basketball.
We've never seen "the likes" of Dennis Rodman. Only Dennis Rodman.
I feel like Josh hart is one of the only defense only archetypes but even that’s a stretch cause he has like a shit load of triple doubles this season so he’s got offensive game
Zach eddy and dj burns are back to the basket bigs in todays nba
Yoooo bsolz reacted to your video!
I think, after the archetypes that you mentioned in the video, and it pains me to say it, but the next domino to fall is gonna be guards at the 2 who have NO defense to their game. I've been in denial about this for a while as some of these players are my favorite players on the court to watch, but you made a solid point when you essentially said that 7(ish) footers who have a decent handle, are competant facilitators, & can score the basketball at all 3 levels (while still retaining the rim protection and rebounding skills expected of bigs at the 5) are now becoming the norm as opposed to the exception. It blew my mind that a guy like Zach Lavine, who, due to his speed and range, is an offensive threat the moment he passes ½ court. Zach is a walking bucket. With that quick first step and his ability to damn near jump outta the gym, he pretty much has the ability to score at will. The one aspect of his game that is currently deficient is his defense, or lack thereof. Now, personally, I think a guy who is as athletically gifted as Zach, who has demonstrated a willingness to put in substantial work during the off-season, can develop defensively if he makes the decision to do so. At 6'5" or 6'6", Zach has the size to pair with his elite athleticism and is still on the right side of 30. For those reasons, I believe he can still add defense to his game should he make the decision to put in the work. The same cannot be said for ALL players that fall into the "offense only" category. Guys like Trae Young, who is listed at 6'1" and 161lbs, but who realistically looks to be closer to 5'11"...he doesn't have that size or elite athleticism to fall back on and so he becomes a defensive liability. If Trae were to go through a tough shooting stretch of a few games, it would damn near make him unplayable during that time. What made me really sit up and take notice of this narrative, one that I've heard others kicking around for a while now, was when the Bulls made Zach Lavine 'available' in trade talks and found the market for his services underwhelming. A guy who can give u 30, night in and night out, had no market.That is what makes me wonder if perhaps the pundits are correct about the offense only shooting guards going the way of the dodo bird. Thoughts?
Bro TP & Nash got buckets are you crazy kid. TP has like 20k points in his career is like 11th in total playoff points.
The first "big" PG I remember was Tyreke Evans. He was 6'6 225 with a sick handle, he was ahead of his time. The world wasn't ready for big PGs yet, they tried to change his game and put him off ball and it killed his career.
This makes CP3’s 19 yr career even more impressive.
Thing is if prime Shaq was playing today no one would really try to guard him because it don’t matter what you do he’s gonna catch a body either in the paint or with a lob
Goin to a t wolves game. That’ll be a block that gobert doesnt even have to deliver
Steve Nash was an offensive force dude.
Bro tony parker was a scoring guard. His career average is relatively low bc the pace of the nba game was a lot slower when he was active
Great video though that’s a like from me
Bests adapting player I’ve seen in recent years is Brook Lopez. He had finesse and a middy, but not the type of shot he has now.
Thomas in the league rn on a 10 day
IT was an absolute menace
The ridiculously tall player who was only good at blocking aka MANUTE BOL
you tweaked with the thompson twins; those are pure hoopers to the purest form
Back 2 to basket type players are more usable and useful then players who were catching lobs and only there to dunk, nowdays even more players who are mostly getting points from post can do other stuff where catching lobs is not all that
And truth be told, guys like Dream, Ewing and Robinson, who most people associate with the post-game still were more than decent scorers from beyond the paint and had good enough shooting form to develop a decent three point shot if they played nowadays.
And prime Shaq would still thrive nowadays because he was 350-pound behemoth with speed and agility to boot. That would still make him a mismatch today (plus, him, alongside the other guys I mentioned above we're still excellent defenders and rebounders)
Worst first date spot is going to a wedding