I'd buy several of the 2020 for sure; light and casts like a dream. you CAN snag JDMs on ebay for about $350 right now >>bf417*momo(100% feedback). I have the JDM, but it looks like your US version has a 90mm handle for HG(7.1:1)...are you able to verify? The JDM HG is only 85mm, which is a little letdown but I do like the knob caps better. Also, have you tried Daiwa reels? In particular, the high end Daiwa Steez SV TW? I've been trying to track another for about a month now on ebay/online, but mostly ebay. All around $500 minus shipping and taxes. Well I was able to snag one at the link below for $449 shipped (no tax if you live outside of MN and free shipping) - be sure to use coupon code for $50 off: SPRING10. No I don't work for them, but if you've ever tried to track a SV TW for cheap under $500 for a RIGHT HAND model, it's tough. Anyway, I bring it up because I still prefer it over the 2020 as good as the 2020 is and was curious if you've ran any high end Daiwa. Oh, it's also 5.7oz. code: SPRING10 www.reedssports.com/daiwa-steez-sv-tw-bcast-reel-12-crbb-1-7-11-steezsvtw1016sv-sh-043178140673
wgooden3 I’ve never used those other two reels but this new Metanium is small and easily palmable. Definitely more comfortable than the previous Metanium.
I bought an MGL. It's a lot easier to palm than the Chronarch. If I buy another, it'll probably be another Metanium MGL. If I had to do over again, I would likely have bought the Metanium MGL for crankbaits instead of the Chronarch MGL.
*Awesome reel, **enjoyable.fishing** recommend especially for the price! No problems so far. Reeled in a 14lb laker yesterday and performed great. (5-10 min reel in time) Love the drag adjustment.*
it’s crazy how a fish can pass a hook like that. That’s why they say cut the line instead of ripping a hook out if it’s deep. They have a better chance of survival passing it by themselves
I have the Scorpion DC and it uses the same IDC 5 breaking system as the metanium. Also have the SLX DC and curado DC and you can definitely tell a difference between them. I've used the metanium DC just haven't dropped the cash for it. Great video bro.
Those cheaper dc brakes are very poor . The spool is just insanely heavy so light lures just don't go as far as they should. I've had to refund 2 of them where I work . The spool is 21 grams for god's sake.
That’s why I bought the scorpion dc… it has the same breaking as the metanium, but at the cost of a curado. I absolutely love everything about it. I almost always throw on 2, but if I’m throwing something in the heavier side, I’ll bump it to 3
Awesome video bro, welcome to the metanuim world , I have all of them and I do agree with you on the 2020 version its alot more compact and crisp. Bought my first one in 2013 and loving them since . You need to get your hands on the antares dc and excense dc , they are shimano best reels in my opinion from using them.
I have 2 of the new MET MGLs and its by far my favorite reel. I just ordered a third one from Japan, its the absolute only place I found a XG model and I've searched daily for a month. You definitely will love it.
@@FishhookTerry I got the Aldebaran mgl yesterday and took it out this afternoon. I have it on a GL E6X worm rod and I can wail a weightless Senko with it. The Metanium mgl is gonna be sweet for jigs. I'll have to save up for it but it is worth it!
Great video. I don’t have the Metanium dc but I do own a couple of the curado dc reels. I do own the 2016 Metanium mgl and the 2020 Metanium and between those 2 reels I can absolutely say the same thing you did between the dc and the new Metanium. The 2020 is by far the best reel I have ever owned. I liked the core solid body so much I bought a bantam mgl, because I couldn’t find another 2020, and it has quickly became my #2 favorite reel with the 2016 mgl slipping to #3. There is a lot to be said about the core solid body reels. I’m hoping the future will bring more Shimano reels built with core solid bodies.
+Joshua Webb thanks for watching man. I feel absolutely the same way. That build of the reel makes it better than anything else out there. Soooo good, if they can incorporate that into other models, it’s game over for the competition. Thanks again man!
I have 2 of the new Metanium MGLs and I just ordered a 3rd from Japan. The absolute only XG model I've found anywhere and I've been searching for a month now.
I have caught a bass with a similar problem next cast I caught a bass with a plastic worm coming out of it's a$$. Two fish caught minus a bullet weight one free set up. Lol, it really did happen .
He looks really healthy for digesting and actually passing a fucking ewg hook... Thank you for your review. I'm a curado nut. I had a really nice chronarch d, loved it to death, went through my daiwa phase, then back to cusp curado d, old bantam, and the e7. I've thing I've noticed is fishing gear if you keep it in good condition and super tune you can actually make money in the long run. Look at the citica series that just got discontinued... That was a bad ass reel.
Ok so i need to know what reel i need for deep cranking and speed cranking. Im not too sure about the tranx 200. I love my 8.1.1 or higher gear ratios. Im new to deep cranking. A 7'6" heavy rod is on the way. But can this bantam be used for this application. Deep cranking 12ft or more. I have reservoirs 40ft here in lower California. Is this reel a work horse? We all know that casting distance is a major factor with deep cranking. Or matanium dc reel?
Just wait until you try out the Antares A I am truly amazed, but nothing cast further then the Antares DC MD that thing rocks, but I just can get past how big the thing feels in my hand so I just put it back in it’s box for now.
I have Metanium and Chronarch Mgl ... save your money boys this man must work for Shimano .... the difference between the Chronarch and the Metanium is hardly noticeable ... get the Chronarch and use the extra savings to upgrade your rod
Actually last year i caught a bass that had one of those pre snelled hooks and the line part was coming out unfortunately the hook was still in i pulled on it a little bit with out trying to really pull and i got part of the line from there reel to a swivel clip to that pre snelled line so i got most of the line just couldnt get the hook out
I've been drooling over this reel for a while now... That new Metanium MGL is such a beast. You're right, Core Solid is amazing. Our Bantam MGL is one of our star players! Keep it up man!! I'll let you know when I pick that new Met up! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Lucky me! I have two! Both speeds in left. BUT!! must say the thumb bar on these is sub standard. Rough action while pushing down and requires significantly more pressure than my Bantam, Chronarch, Metanium DC. With the rest of this reel so butter smooth this really stands out. Probably can be improved on tear down but disappointing. The Real Test site has also mentioned this too.
Just found your channel, new sub! I also have all shimanos from curado dc, chrons, Mets and the new 2020 met is hands down, best reel I've ever felt or cast. And casts like a dream effortlessly. The old Mets were nice but this new tech in core body = perfection.
Great video sir , I am new to the channel , my question is I have the TWS SV Daiwa steez and Zillion line up. Once those are setup they cast good maybe not great in distance. But they can’t be backlashed , it’s like throwing a spinning reel on a bait caster. If I went with the Metanium MGL and dialed it in to the baits I throw is it going to be a hard reel to keep from backlashing. I don’t know the breaking system well enough on higher end Shimano’s. Great video , great channel and I wish you all the best sir.
Did you go for the Metanium MGL? Havn't tried it but my guess is you will get a bit better distance and more backlashes under head-windy conditions...?
I got the Abu Garcia revo sx as my first bait caster was the upgrade a big difference? I’m looking to buy the Shimano curado DC Shimano scorpion or the metanium 🤙🏽
Same feeling man, it's just a nightmare with skipping, pitching I managed to adjust my style to be able to, but the DC is not mostly not activating while pitching.
I prefer the metanium dc in winding days over the MGL, but a regular day they’re both great, if like the MGL that much you should try the Anteras is a way better
In my opinion I cast a little further with the Antares, but not as much as you would think, for the price I would go metanium only because the extra 5 feet doesn’t in my opinion worth the extra cash but DC Antares all the way, I have the 2019 Antares dc and man that thing is a beast of its own.
@@20block.Pologroundz went to try them out and ended up just getting the mets. felt super solid for how light it is and def casts further than my curado dc.
The metanium dc was first released in 2015 in Japan, and brought over to the USA in 2019... I would hope the 2020 metanium is better lol, it’s 5 years of newer technology. I’m willing to predict a new metanium DC will come out very soon
+Jacob Miller yes you’re correct. If they throw DC into a core solid body, it’s going to be tremendous. Hope they can make that happen soon. Thanks for watching and the comment man.
+Joseph Hilliard this is the 2019 American version not the JDM version you’re thinking of. This was released in the US last year. Thanks for watching bud!
Would you buy one? If so which one would you buy? Let me know Fish Slayers!
I'd buy several of the 2020 for sure; light and casts like a dream. you CAN snag JDMs on ebay for about $350 right now >>bf417*momo(100% feedback). I have the JDM, but it looks like your US version has a 90mm handle for HG(7.1:1)...are you able to verify? The JDM HG is only 85mm, which is a little letdown but I do like the knob caps better. Also, have you tried Daiwa reels? In particular, the high end Daiwa Steez SV TW? I've been trying to track another for about a month now on ebay/online, but mostly ebay. All around $500 minus shipping and taxes. Well I was able to snag one at the link below for $449 shipped (no tax if you live outside of MN and free shipping) - be sure to use coupon code for $50 off: SPRING10. No I don't work for them, but if you've ever tried to track a SV TW for cheap under $500 for a RIGHT HAND model, it's tough. Anyway, I bring it up because I still prefer it over the 2020 as good as the 2020 is and was curious if you've ran any high end Daiwa. Oh, it's also 5.7oz.
code: SPRING10
www.reedssports.com/daiwa-steez-sv-tw-bcast-reel-12-crbb-1-7-11-steezsvtw1016sv-sh-043178140673
Considering now. Is Metanium MGL easy to plam? As compared to Alderbaran and Chronarch MGL.
wgooden3 I’ve never used those other two reels but this new Metanium is small and easily palmable. Definitely more comfortable than the previous Metanium.
Please review the TranX 200!
I bought an MGL. It's a lot easier to palm than the Chronarch. If I buy another, it'll probably be another Metanium MGL. If I had to do over again, I would likely have bought the Metanium MGL for crankbaits instead of the Chronarch MGL.
*Awesome reel, **enjoyable.fishing** recommend especially for the price! No problems so far. Reeled in a 14lb laker yesterday and performed great. (5-10 min reel in time) Love the drag adjustment.*
great vid thanks man.. u just sold me on the MGL. I have like 6 curado DCs and i think its time i graduate to a metanium MGL.
it’s crazy how a fish can pass a hook like that. That’s why they say cut the line instead of ripping a hook out if it’s deep. They have a better chance of survival passing it by themselves
I have the Scorpion DC and it uses the same IDC 5 breaking system as the metanium. Also have the SLX DC and curado DC and you can definitely tell a difference between them. I've used the metanium DC just haven't dropped the cash for it. Great video bro.
I have the Abu Garcia Revo SX looking to buy the curado DC Scorpion DC or the metanium which one would you recommend?
@@essjliving7044 metanium definitely but curado is the best bang for your buck considering it’s half the price
Those cheaper dc brakes are very poor . The spool is just insanely heavy so light lures just don't go as far as they should. I've had to refund 2 of them where I work . The spool is 21 grams for god's sake.
Nice video, thanx!
If I chose between DC and 2020 Metanium, I would prefer 19 Antares :)
That’s why I bought the scorpion dc… it has the same breaking as the metanium, but at the cost of a curado. I absolutely love everything about it. I almost always throw on 2, but if I’m throwing something in the heavier side, I’ll bump it to 3
The met’s have a magnesium body they are way lighter than a curado or scorpion
Just upgraded all my ‘16 Metaniums to the new 2020 models, worth the upgrade IMO. I had a Metanium DC also, sold it in favor of the Metanium 2020 also
Where is a good place to sell used gear?
BasshunterUSA I use eBay, but you gonna have to give them & PayPal a cut too. Facebook marketplace probably be a good option
LIVING LIFE Thanks for the reply!
Great video man, now probably going to pick up the new metanium
+Julian Mayer Fishing thanks man, you will absolutely love it!
New Metanium is smoother because they put brass gears in it.
Great video. thank you. my next one will a metanium 2020 !
Awesome video bro, welcome to the metanuim world , I have all of them and I do agree with you on the 2020 version its alot more compact and crisp. Bought my first one in 2013 and loving them since . You need to get your hands on the antares dc and excense dc , they are shimano best reels in my opinion from using them.
my 7 year old metanium is still amazing
Dude you have stepped up the video editing game! Love the review!
+Top Fishing Deals thank you so much, I’m trying!
I was like where have I seen that fish with a hook in him🤔but I figured out I follow you on Instagram 🤦♂️😂
+Curtis Medina haha thank you for following on both!! 🤘🏻🎣
I'm new to the channel, just subscribed keep up the good work.
I've been looking at the MGL for a while now and you helped me make up my mind. I like the old thumb control matched with the new technology. Thanks!
+Russell L. You’ll love it, I promise! Thanks for watching man
I have 2 of the new MET MGLs and its by far my favorite reel. I just ordered a third one from Japan, its the absolute only place I found a XG model and I've searched daily for a month. You definitely will love it.
@@FishhookTerry I got the Aldebaran mgl yesterday and took it out this afternoon. I have it on a GL E6X worm rod and I can wail a weightless Senko with it. The Metanium mgl is gonna be sweet for jigs. I'll have to save up for it but it is worth it!
Russell L. I need to add one of those to my lineup too. That’s a great reel man, have fun with it!
Ordered the new metanium and Shimano Poison today.
Yup so did I. Got the 6 11 medium with the 7.1:1 left hand for jerkbait fishing
I bought a metanium dc and it’s my go to every day
Awesome video, was thinking about thee dc but got the mgl instead , by the way, which lake were you fishing?
nice video . waiting for metanium mgl DC
Which one of the two casts a 1/2 ounce crankbait farther, thanks
Best feel I've ever had in my life an it's not even close
Great video. I don’t have the Metanium dc but I do own a couple of the curado dc reels. I do own the 2016 Metanium mgl and the 2020 Metanium and between those 2 reels I can absolutely say the same thing you did between the dc and the new Metanium. The 2020 is by far the best reel I have ever owned. I liked the core solid body so much I bought a bantam mgl, because I couldn’t find another 2020, and it has quickly became my #2 favorite reel with the 2016 mgl slipping to #3. There is a lot to be said about the core solid body reels. I’m hoping the future will bring more Shimano reels built with core solid bodies.
+Joshua Webb thanks for watching man. I feel absolutely the same way. That build of the reel makes it better than anything else out there. Soooo good, if they can incorporate that into other models, it’s game over for the competition. Thanks again man!
Does the mgl cast smaller baits more easily than the dc?
Cant go wrong w either but i would go w the DC, esp on windy (_!_) days
Can you have you compared the 2020 Met against the 2023 Met100 both non DC?
I have 2 of the new Metanium MGLs and I just ordered a 3rd from Japan. The absolute only XG model I've found anywhere and I've been searching for a month now.
Wayne Lagarde hey man if you don’t mind me asking. which site did you order from ? currently looking for one as we speak
EBAY
Just change the gear yourselves bro
I have both but I have the japenees model it's a little smaller but I love it
I have caught a bass with a similar problem next cast I caught a bass with a plastic worm coming out of it's a$$. Two fish caught minus a bullet weight one free set up. Lol, it really did happen .
I have the Metanium and the Aldebaran. Both are great reels but my favorite is the Aldebaran. Casting a weightless Senko is just awesome.
I can do that on my metanium also but I got love for the aldabaran it's up next for me
Which would you guys say is the more versatile?
@TVM The Metanium is a little heavier duty so I'd go with that.
@@russelll.8361 which Metanium version as I see a few different ones
@TVM I like the MGL because I can control it better than a DC, but it's really just your preference.
He looks really healthy for digesting and actually passing a fucking ewg hook... Thank you for your review. I'm a curado nut. I had a really nice chronarch d, loved it to death, went through my daiwa phase, then back to cusp curado d, old bantam, and the e7. I've thing I've noticed is fishing gear if you keep it in good condition and super tune you can actually make money in the long run. Look at the citica series that just got discontinued... That was a bad ass reel.
+Nickles Anarchy thanks for watching man and the great comment!
@@FishhookTerry Terry you already know my dude. I stay strong on them comments and I come through for my homies.
great verdict
Good comparison...I hope someone compares the 2019 Antares A vs the new Metanium MGL 2020. I’m torn between the two...can’t decide which one to buy
+ReelTalkFishing I definitely want that reel to test it out! Maybe I will see if I can get my hands on one. Thanks for watching man!
Hello, Friend!
THE REEL TEST did it. You can look at his video battle between these two reels.
Lefer the Loafer I just watched it, thanks for letting me know! Man, after watching it, I’m starting to lean towards the new Metanium!!!
Try to crank both of them, antares A really smooth, bt new metanium I never test yet
@@reeltalkfishing7692 which one did you get
What boat is that looks badass
Terry do you think that the 7.1 ratio will be fine for crankbaits? Like 6xd or 10xd?
Im looking both of these for my pitching rod, not looking for distance, just looking for no backlash, I suk at pitching, thanks
Ok so i need to know what reel i need for deep cranking and speed cranking. Im not too sure about the tranx 200. I love my 8.1.1 or higher gear ratios. Im new to deep cranking. A 7'6" heavy rod is on the way. But can this bantam be used for this application. Deep cranking 12ft or more. I have reservoirs 40ft here in lower California. Is this reel a work horse? We all know that casting distance is a major factor with deep cranking. Or matanium dc reel?
Why didn't you throw the same size weight 🤨 to truly get more accurate on which one cast further..
Great video my friend well done buddy 👍
+John Ames thank you so much John
Don't forget the scorpion DC, it's definitely better than Curado DC and slx dc
The hook came out his stomach, the soft plastic has dissolved. I had 3 incidents with a large mouth and 2 rainbows trout
Just wait until you try out the Antares A I am truly amazed, but nothing cast further then the Antares DC MD that thing rocks, but I just can get past how big the thing feels in my hand so I just put it back in it’s box for now.
I have Metanium and Chronarch Mgl ... save your money boys this man must work for Shimano .... the difference between the Chronarch and the Metanium is hardly noticeable ... get the Chronarch and use the extra savings to upgrade your rod
Nah. No cheapo graphite framed reels for me.
I have 4 curado dc's I was thinking about getting the metanium dc how do you like it
I want to get the 2023 metanium mgl 100 size.
How is the svs system vs the dc? Can you cast as far with the svs?
whats the ultimate senko / light weight lure pitching reel? thats what I need, I suck at pitching
some are saying the Aldebaran....
Actually last year i caught a bass that had one of those pre snelled hooks and the line part was coming out unfortunately the hook was still in i pulled on it a little bit with out trying to really pull and i got part of the line from there reel to a swivel clip to that pre snelled line so i got most of the line just couldnt get the hook out
+5.7.0 bassin just crazy when that happens
What size and gear ratio is the MGL
I've been drooling over this reel for a while now... That new Metanium MGL is such a beast. You're right, Core Solid is amazing. Our Bantam MGL is one of our star players!
Keep it up man!! I'll let you know when I pick that new Met up! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Lucky me! I have two! Both speeds in left. BUT!! must say the thumb bar on these is sub standard. Rough action while pushing down and requires significantly more pressure than my Bantam, Chronarch, Metanium DC. With the rest of this reel so butter smooth this really stands out. Probably can be improved on tear down but disappointing. The Real Test site has also mentioned this too.
FishHook the Metainum Dc has Aluminum gears and will strip over time I got 3 Dc Metainum and 3 2020 Metainum 7 2016 Metainums
Are the 2020 mgl the best ?
Just found your channel, new sub! I also have all shimanos from curado dc, chrons, Mets and the new 2020 met is hands down, best reel I've ever felt or cast. And casts like a dream effortlessly. The old Mets were nice but this new tech in core body = perfection.
Nice catch
+Patric Wagner thanks man!
What line are you running on the 2020 Met?
How does it compare to the lews pro ti
I have both but my Calais cast's better than both and it's at least 12 years ago.
Agreed. I also have the Calais 100A and not only does it cast's better than my 20 Met and my 19 Antares but it's just as smooth after all these years.
Great video sir , I am new to the channel , my question is I have the TWS SV Daiwa steez and Zillion line up. Once those are setup they cast good maybe not great in distance. But they can’t be backlashed , it’s like throwing a spinning reel on a bait caster. If I went with the Metanium MGL and dialed it in to the baits I throw is it going to be a hard reel to keep from backlashing. I don’t know the breaking system well enough on higher end Shimano’s. Great video , great channel and I wish you all the best sir.
Did you go for the Metanium MGL? Havn't tried it but my guess is you will get a bit better distance and more backlashes under head-windy conditions...?
This" can't be backlashed " routine costs distance. The cheaper DC brakes stop you using lighter lures, because the spools are insanely heavy.
I have curado K curado dc and the old metanium. Just ordered 2 Metanium DCs now I wish I would have ordered the New metanium instead 😰
I’m going to get it I think I’m going to get the 8.1
why 8.1? and why not 6.2 or 7.1? What's the reason of having such high gear? I am asking as I don't know which to buy.
The Anteras 70a beats the metanium mgl by a foot or two in casting distance. The price is outrageous though.
Can u use the poison combo on Saltwater
Which rod is that one you was using ?
Anyone checked if MGL spool will fit in DC
What are the specs on the poison rod you’re using??
do you try the 2020 metanium DC?
What size and type of line do you use on your chatterbaitss?
Can you just put an MGL spool on a DC reel?
No
The 2020 met dc has a hybrid mgl spool
Seems like the DC model is the way to go
@@MarcusCarltonMay u sure ab that
Just picked up a set up like yours but Left handed. My Steez CT SV TW isn’t casting worth a shit.
It probably needs TLC. A cleaning, grease, and oil in all the right places.
What rod you got wit it?
I thought the metanium 15 was the newest DC out I’ve never seen the 2019 DC where can I buy one from
ebay
Do a field test between both of them throwing a 1/2 ounce crankbait, usually DC reels are very good at throwing large crankbaits. Thanks
How big of line you using ?
After i get my new Shimano metanium 20 …
Bye Bye Abu garcia 😂😂😂😂
I got the Abu Garcia revo sx as my first bait caster was the upgrade a big difference? I’m looking to buy the Shimano curado DC Shimano scorpion or the metanium 🤙🏽
@@essjliving7044 buy the new metanium
try skipping or pitching on a dc，them u will throw them in to water
Same feeling man, it's just a nightmare with skipping, pitching I managed to adjust my style to be able to, but the DC is not mostly not activating while pitching.
Supposed to be easy to skip with a dc
Do you like the expride or the adrena rob better?
+Mark I’ll do a quick video soon on my thoughts on these. Both are great but the Adrena is a step above for sure.
I prefer the metanium dc in winding days over the MGL, but a regular day they’re both great, if like the MGL that much you should try the Anteras is a way better
So the Metanium DC XG is 2019? still fresh, I think I’m gonna get that
I thought it's a 2015 model.
mohdridzuanzainal I’m not sure myself 😅 but will probably go for the Antares instead
LeVi KLu good choice
@@levilah3426 which one and from where
@@alexp7824 eyes on the 2021 Antares Dc instead ~~ from Japan market
What expired do the like for the chatter bait
+LilSasauge the glass crankbait expride rod is pretty slick for a Chatterbait.
U left out the Scorpion dc
Gonna give you a pine float wen we get together with lloyd
+Patric Wagner YES!
What’s the trailer?
+GENESIS Zman Razor ShadZ
is the met mgl the furthest casting shimano reel? cant decide between the antares or the met😂. going to be replacing my bantam mgls
In my opinion I cast a little further with the Antares, but not as much as you would think, for the price I would go metanium only because the extra 5 feet doesn’t in my opinion worth the extra cash but DC Antares all the way, I have the 2019 Antares dc and man that thing is a beast of its own.
@@20block.Pologroundz went to try them out and ended up just getting the mets. felt super solid for how light it is and def casts further than my curado dc.
Don't replace the bantams. They're good reels. Use them for different baits.
The metanium dc was first released in 2015 in Japan, and brought over to the USA in 2019... I would hope the 2020 metanium is better lol, it’s 5 years of newer technology. I’m willing to predict a new metanium DC will come out very soon
+Jacob Miller yes you’re correct. If they throw DC into a core solid body, it’s going to be tremendous. Hope they can make that happen soon. Thanks for watching and the comment man.
The scorpion DC 2017 is much better than the DC slx & curodo DC..
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Wtf 🙄
Just ordered my metdc
The metanuim dc is from 2015 not 2019
+Joseph Hilliard this is the 2019 American version not the JDM version you’re thinking of. This was released in the US last year. Thanks for watching bud!
@@FishhookTerry is it that old tho 2015?
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Kasih tau gak yaa...? 🤔
Dude get to the review
This video is from 2 years ago, you’ve had plenty of time to get through the fluff and watch my final thoughts on those reels.
WTF is 2019 dc?
The latest is 2015 model
Get too the point dude!
Cant go wrong w either but i would go w the DC, esp on windy (_!_) days