[FFXIV] Mentor Hell
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2023
- I enter Mentor Roulette for the same reasons people go to the zoo
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>queues as a mentor
>plays as DRK
That's some hardcore lore you're building there with all the suffering you are getting.
Props to not leaving them behind, a true mentor.
I'm convinced mentor roulette was put in not to help sprouts but make mentors sit down and really consider what we're doing with our lives. Just pure pain for hours then we get one guildhest and our brains reset.
If they remove guildhest from game, many voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
I'm late but quoting something I heard on State Of The Realm once - NA players can access Mentor Roulette, but it was not made for us. The only reason any NA player touches it is because of the promise of a shiny mount at the end of it, and no other reason.
@@thehermitwizard Here's the thing. I often run Mentor Roulette when I want to do content, but, I don't want to limit it to just raids, or just trials. I use it as an instant queue while playing on DPS, as a "Surprise me" feature.
But, when I have to actively grind it to get the mount, that turns it into a piece of shit when I get something like an EX with sprouts that don't want to learn and just think it's something they can just throw themselves at and win without trying.
@@jijonbreakerThat's the real issue. You get sprouts who refuse to learn, no matter what you say or do they just don't listen and when you try explaining to PF it instead some jack ass wants to say you're being negative and should just stay to help them
Cheers for not insta-leaving extremes on mentor roulette, I see way too many "mentors" doing it. Currently at 1658/2000 and it's unironically refreshing to run into anything that isn't a braindead dungeon, even if it's painful sometimes.
this guy gets it
after the 6th wipe with no progress you are allowed to leave tho (and of course trying to explain mechanics for the 4th time)
yep
@@horalidus1536THIS
New players should not be using def to do extremes for any reason, especially going in blind. I am near 2k mentors and have never done a single extreme and never will
As long as the sprouts are trying, and can learn over time, few things are more rewarding than helping a group of sprouts finish an ex trial in mentor. Makes my burger king crown proud of them.
Me and my buddy queued up for Delubrum and only got two other sprouts. We timed out, sure, but we reached the final boss and we knew the dungeon like the back of our damn hands by the end! We didn;t win, but we knew we didn't lose the next time we were able to queue into them. God bless those two randos.
@@Flameboythest i hate how few people do delubrum these days, its such a cool raid thing
@@carlos-zy7vx It was so much fun, man. the second to last boss, the hot and cold sword, i believe, wiped the other three, leaving me as a samurai to fight it. We got it down to 5% and I was frantically trying to take it down using bloodbath and second wind to keep me topped up. Managed to do it and it was the most satisfying moment of FFXIV for me.
Now imagine having done Mentor Roulettes during the great Migration that was Asmongold playing FFXIV and you have storys to tell to your children and grandchildren.
Uff must have been fun, never did mentor roulette (can't yet) but i did have a few normals where i had to explain a few things to sprouts. which is weird because i just lost the sprout a few months ago myself and im still unlocking some dungeons and winging mechanics 🤣
I started trying to do Mentor Roulette during this time period and the amount of extremes I rolled...
I usually tried to stick it out but eventually I stopped queuing for a while. Getting failed clear after failed clear feels like staring into the sun. I never griefed the sprouts, it's not very clear in game that this is not duty finder content, but I did sigh and contemplate my life a lot.
Knowing how dumb us WoW players are, especially those who follow Asmon around like fanboys, I thank you for your service.
There was a cat girl VTuber I used to pity when he’d stream mentor roulette every day during the WoW exodus. Now I envy the fun he must have had..
Was there. Did that. o7 (still have PSTD)
Do you ever just queue into a "in progress" mentor roulette only to load right back in front of your house because the duty was abandoned the moment you joined and you're left wondering what the hell that was
memories of that one time I taught seven people Sephirot EX.
six of them were mentors and one of them was the chaddest sprout I’ve ever seen
it's always the sprout that somehow know the strat better than you while the mentors have lost 50% of their mental capacity because of said mentor roulettes
@@Nicolas_GEbecause the sprout queue for the duty specifically. It’s EXPECTED for them to at least know how it goes, not going in blind. There’re at least 32 ‘Extreme’ difficulty trials on the roulette, among over 200 duties. We’re not allow to reprog the fight we’ve seen like 2 times over 2000 hours of playtime? The venn-diagram of people who are patient enough to not leave the the duty after taking their time to explain the fight only for it to be ignored and wiping to the same mechanic that was just explain over and over again, and the people who remember every mechanics of every fight is so slim that it’s unreasonable to require for ANYONE to fullfill.
It’s not a required thing for mentor to do mentor roulette, we do it because we want to help people learn the game. Or relearn the game while teaching it at the same time! I do it because its fun, and sometimes very rewarding. It’s doesn’t help the morale of mentors out there doing the work.
my fc got me to do seph unreal back when it was up in faux hollows. that was an experience for a new-ish gnb. i struggled hard, esp since i was only barely meeting the iLvl reqs. towers gave me the most trouble.
Hey at least you did actually clear that EX, that's more than most mentors can say!
I hate it when such clears are wrested from me by people who leave, and rejoin shenanigans
@@Reynsoon Using party finder makes both theirs and your life easier.
@@JetEriksen Oh no question, and I'll espouse that ideal to the ends of the earth. But it's always fun to drag a party of sprouts and toy swords kicking and screaming through an ARR EX.
@@Reynsooncan't imagine the non-mentors being the one being dragged kicking and screaming through an Extreme in this case, since they'll only be there if they queued for the specific duty in duty finder
@@KambraI've had a ton that never cleared. The worst ones usually being Rath EX when you have people who don't listen.
It is 100% impossible to carry in that fight, since them dying 3 times makes you lose regardless of how well you do. And you can't heal them either. The healer probably doesn't know what esuna is, and it takes 5 wipes before people realize what you mean by "use the potions to heal"
It makes Ramuh EX look like Ifrit Hard
I swear to Nophica: as a non English speaker, I wish whoever came up with the Larboard/Starboard mechanic gets blasted by an Opticor Vandal
You should never sail a ship then
@@zyrage Port is still a lot more commonly used than larboard.
Lar = Left remember that trick. And he casts this twice while changing positions. If the second is the same as the first (starboard then starboard), go to the other side. If it’s different (starboard then larboard), you stay on the side you’re on. If you’re facing the boss as a tank, you do the opposite directions to dodge since it is Omega’s orientation (Omega’s left/right), not yours.
As an English speaker, I can confirm that almost no one knew what larboard meant when it was dropped day 1. Also Laetum ftw.
@@AiroDusk If they know what Starboard meant. They should have figured out that Larboard is the opposite of it.
The Astrope mount should include at least 10 free sessions of therapy alongside it.
This makes me want to unlock mentor roulette and jump headfirst into this mess.
Not me I got enough issues when playing normally let alone with extra stupid
@@TetsuRiken🤣
Get ready for the possibility to explain things over 2000 times.
I lost it at the Opticor Vandal
8.0 will introduce John "Tenno" Warframe into the game
@@squidboygrey2915Jhon Souls
One of my fondest sprout memories was doing mistrel's ballad ultima with a bunch of other sprouts. The best part was slowly realising that 'minstrel's ballad' isn't the same as '(hard)' because we didn't have a mentor in the party to give us the early warning signs. That fight isn't too bad so we cleared in decent time. Much easier than the few other arr and hw extremes I've gone into synced.
I worked on and finally got my Astrope mount during the period before Endwalker launched. Saw all manner of crazy shit in mentor roulette. The worst Ex trial to get by far was Ramuh Ex. It’s just a very demanding fight for new tanks to learn. Also got Shinryu Ex one time and we all learned the fight from prog to clear in the time limit, that was the most fun. Best advice I can give is to make a quota for how many mentor roulettes you can do in one day and try to hit it as often as possible.
I feel Ifrit's just as bad, but on healers instead of tanks. So many doofus healers running into the group and then exploding everyone everywhere. But Ramuh is probably worse because of the sheer number of times it turns up. I think I had at least 7 Ramuhs for every 1 Ifrit.
Write down every fight you've done there you go solved
Recently I was the only non mentor in Ultima weapon MSQ Scenario. That was the first time I've ever wiped during it.
Thank you for those mentors out there that helped me in trials and dungeon, staying until i finish the cutscene and spamming [Congratulations!]
All of you are the best person i've ever known
Make sure to Player Commendation 🌚
It takes some real self-hatred to queue mentor roulette as a DPS, I respect that.
on the contrary, if you're sane you queue DPS
queuing as tank has most chance to get you into an extreme
queuing as DPS has the most chance to get you into the shortest guildhests
and dont ever queue as healer, you will always get dungeons
@@XAlpte exactly. I’m usually getting guildhests, trials/normal raids and the occasion dungeon.
I once spent a whole hour guiding 3 people through Amaurot. The poor buggers just kept failing every mechanic and had to fight every boss 2-3 times each. Mobs had to be pulled one at a time as dps and healing were so poor, they just couldn't handle a normal wall to wall pull. We eventually got through because meh, I felt like dragging them through it and felt bad abandoning them to someone else that wouldn't have been as patient with them.
The real kicker in all this? It wasn't even a mentor roulette!! It was just a regular level 80 DR queue. 😩
@@Gofr5I had a similar, but less awful, experience recently in Amaurot. Our returner-sprout healer forgot/bungled the Final Sky meteor/building drop mechanics enough that we had four pulls on the first boss before finally getting it down. They died to the second boss' trash AoEs right at the end before Burst, and we wiped at least once on Therion because the healer died.
I like playing tank, but too often I get thrown into Pratorium when I do. So I go as dps to avoid that. Not once I've seen accursed cutscenes as a dancer, but I once had seven mentors in a row of Prae as tank...
I finished my mentor roulettes earlier this year and I can sympathize. Sometimes you get people who you can explain mechanics to and they will learn. Sometimes people make the same mistakes for an hour and it kills your soul. Keep up the good work!
Wait, so the implied worse end of the spectrum is nicer than p10s? Sign me up!
"Finished" them? You don't do them after getting the 2000?
Are you a psychopath because you're a psychopath or are you enjoying this for fun entirely... -lobotomy final fantasy kaisen @@wild_wyoming6392
I love that the shield mechanic is there in normal too but people still dont get it
you don't have to break it in normal tbf, but yeah the parrying noise is still a VERY common occurence. it doesn't help when the tank spins him either...
Some months ago had a sprout that was amazed at how i gave actual advise despite being a Mentor. What he didn't know is that i had only been mentor for a week and since i hadn't finished msq (and to date still haven't) i don't have access to mentor roulette and all the toxicity.
🤨
Most mentors dont give advise as it just gets ignored, only so many times you are willing to do that before you give up trying
At a certain point mentors become cynical about sprouts and stop giving advice when 90% of their advice is met with such classics as "YoU dOnT pAy My SuB!" "This isn't savage! Stop telling me how to play!" "I was told this obviously false thing is true by another sprout, you don't know what you're talking about!" "I don't understand basic math so you're wrong" "I know more than you on this job at level 30 than you do at max level (doesn't use half their kit)" etc.
You'd be surprised what hills sprouts are willing to die on.
@@randomcanadian6298let those sprouts die then they'll learn later hell I may not be a mentor myself but I get it
9:01 This is when sprouts leave the duty and immediately post online how toxic mentors are
Ah, this isn't that bad. Just people learning. They don't start out knowing all the mechanics and death is part of learning.
Sir Repairsalot
I queued for mentor roulette the other day and got pulled into an in-progress The Great Hunt Extreme, twice in a row.
Fuck that duty and all who que for it.
I have enough scales on a retainer after already buying everything to buy everything again, twice including the mount ofc
@@zirilan3398 What's the problem with the Great Hunt Extreme? I really don't get it, it isn't even difficult..
@@Mekudan It's something personal, I regularly get qued with people with no clue and no Ambition to learn so clearing that can take up to an hour and I don't get anything out of the fight for doing it since I already bought everything.
Objectivly speaking it's not a bad fight. I had to do it way too many times and I would block it from appearing in my Mentor-roulette If I could.
see I get queued with people who treat me like I'm stupid for telling them I can't heal them phase 2
@@Mekudan Not only do people manually queue for it synced, but they farm it this way. So you clear the fight and then immediately get thrown back in with the same dudes.
I wish when joining up for duties you could toggle how much experience you have with a dungeon, and mentors could toggle what experience leveled players they're willing to team up with. I say this as a returner (more-so a sprout as I basically quit the game while I was still a sprout). I want to be matched up with mentors who do have the patience and willingness to help guide when necessary, but it seems very hit and miss with who you get teamed up with. Actually it'd be kinda cool if mentors in these duties could sorta... manipulate the dungeon somehow. Like play God Mode on the boss and lower their damage/HP etc on a vote system if all the sprouts are having a hard time, or freeze the boss in place and be like "Ok guys the boss is about to do X, in this situation you do Y okay ready? Unfreezing!" Like actually have it as a true learning/training experience. Better than everyone rage quitting and wasting an entire dungeon.
mentor roulette is unironically the best roulette in the game. i love getting extremes, it's never boring.
"I dont understand why you're having so much trouble with Mentor roulettes" - A Dynamis Player
What emotions - A Dynamis Player
Leaving a duty has a shorter punishment timer than staying
Yeah but some people got nothing else better to do
This video, the editing and music and sound effects, the PAIN its wonderfully delicious!! :D :D :D I really enjoyed this thank you!! hahaha
The one thing I learn from this, is mentors love pain and mentor roulette is rolling in the circles of hell.
Mentor Roulette is the True Roulette not Duty Roulette
I could never be a mentor.
I'm usually chill, and I'm cool with sprouts.
But I would not be able to handle the roulette.
Mad respect for trying.
6:20 I mean you get to Phlegma every minute or so, that's gotta be pretty cool right?
Phlegma balls
@@Reynsoon I'll see myself to the shadow realm
@@Reynsoon never stops being funny
50min ex with only 2 new players. Sounds about your typical friday evening in mentor roulette
PLEASEE this is so well edited 😭😭
The editing of these is awesome 👏.
Never thought I'd see content about FFXIV from a youtuber who I found through Warframe when I started playing last year. Weird how everything circles back.
When you got into Thok ast Thok extreme and its just sprouts as far as the eye can see XD. nice job hanging in there
I appreciate the Opticor Vandal bit! Thank you!
i can only say. thank you for your presumably terribly strained patience
As a sprout who definitely duty findered 2 ex trials, thank you mentors who come to actually teach! :)
Oh no the Cure 3 one. I accidentally did that just today on a levelling roulette run with Aurum Vale by just having the most massive brainfart.
Good luck on your Mentor journey. Trust me your going to need A LOT of luck and patience. Mostly patience and the hardest stuff you can drink.
Ive gotten to the point of making a drinking game of it.
@@narutoavenger813 share what your rules are please
@@dresamae obligatory "drink responsibly message" don't be dumb about it.
Mentor DR
1. Take a drink before queing (You know why)
2. Take a drink everytime a person dies
3. Take a drink anytime you tell a person the mechanic and they die to the mechanic any way. (This stacks with 2)
4. Take drinks if the player runs away with the stack marker (This is stackable with 2)
5. Finish your drink if either YPYT occurs or a Heal only healer appears.
6. Take a shot if you come across a ice mage.
7. Take a shot if a wipe occurs(excluding ex's, let's not obliterate our livers. please see 8)
8. Take a drink if a wipe occurs on ex. (You are gonna be there till a lockout. Might as well brace ya self.)
9. Take a shot if you save/carry a train wreck run (if everyone is dying left right and center and you are the only constant to the group you are carrying)
Bonus: For my 3rd Party enthusiasts
10. Take a shot upon finishing the duty if you are playing a class that has no business being at the top after completion of the duty. Ie: Dancer, healers, tanks.
@@narutoavenger813 this is amazing, thank you. I'll be sure to spice up some of my mentor roulette days lol
The most comedic part of that video so far is realising you'll need all those hyper potions you got in Orthos.
"Mentor Hell"
Also the Mentor: *Not stacking with the tank for Shared Busters in Thicc ass Thok
Omega and mentor roulette is a special tipe of hell
This video is pure gold
When you put the health potion on your hotbar I died 😂😂
I felt that "Forgot WHM, cannot stun" way too freaking hard.
The fight against Ravana EX is one of the best fights in the entire game with great music too. What an excellent experience xD
Still have to finish the shb extremes and bozja duties to have access to mentor roulette but I’m afraid to queue into extremes where I have no idea what the hell is going on. I guess I’m not above looking up mechanics between pulls if it really gets that bad though.
Relatable, the chaos is half the reason why I do mentor roulette though x)
"Keep going bruh" - Mentor 2000
Resilient souls, I salute you!
Bro the intro song brought back some memories.
10:21 All of that, just for it to be only 2 people who were clearing it for the first time. Madness
As a mentor who finished the mount grind back in stormblood, I appreciate your pain and struggles. Our shared experience amuses me greatly.
I too would stay and teach EXs... the pain...
5:58 is me every time a guildhest pops I Swear. 1180/2000 atm! Good luck on your grind
The Warfram reference killed me LMAO!
that Ravana run felt really personal, i had the same struggle once on titan ex with like 5 minutes or so to go when we cleared
From a mentor to another: the first thing to do after unlocking mentor roulette is to disable the option to join on going duties. Otherwise 90% of the time you'll end up in an extreme fight, CT or even worse: praetorium
Weird thing to suggest as a role that's meant to help and explain fights and assist learning players.
Bro thinks he's the Opticor Vandal 😭
Also no wonder your channel looked so familiar, I didn't know you did FFXIV content now
You can literally do Shields for the party, just tell them to stack center, pull boss off center, and then rotate the boss dependent on the cast
What chest piece is that with the floating crystalline pieces?
I love the little "Enabling bad play" quips here and there. Sometimes the best way to learn that you've done something wrong is to be sat down and forced to acknowledge that you're dead. And chances are, if 7/8 other players aren't, it's not the healer's fault lol.
6:17 the reason why i fear playing sage in low lvl dungeons...
Secondhand suffering
Thank goodness I traded in my crown
life's a syrcus
and we're the crowns
I am that (former) sprout who kept pulling mentors into Leviathan Extreme!
i can taste the pain, not only feel it.
WHAT THE FUCK IM ELIZO LMFAOOOOO
Ngl, i love queuing for ex content in df. Most mentors are sound but there are a few who mald the second they come in, and it brings me joy. I will queue ex content in ARR and HW forever, specifically for mentor tears. Whats sad is they join an easy one like limitless blue or ultima weapon amd they STILL mald. Did half the mentors just clear this stuff unsynced? We will never know. Obviously sprouts not doing their jobs can be frustrating but tbh its also hilarious. Love it forever. Thanks for being a dope mentor
I have been playing for less than a year and between the heavensward and stormblood expansion I decided to try and do all the ARR extremes in duty finder. Thank you kind mentors who actually didn't instantly leave when seeing Thornmarch EX. It took me several tries to find people actually willing to do it, but then it was smooth sailing.
7 sprouts and a mentor?
Yep, it's big brain time.
I felt this...I remember getting Ifrit EX, Leviathan EX and Tsukiyomi EX in a mentor Roulette and all I could think of is "why are people QUEING FOR THIS!?" xD
Arr trials I can understand since sprouts probably have no idea what they are getting themselves into
I sometimes directly queue for extremes as a mentor to troll the mentors doing their roulettes.
5:59 Can someone tell me what voice this is so I can go and look up an audio mod that shuts it the fuck up?
It's voice 5 miqo f
Lmao
What is that armour piece they are using on their samurai near the beginning with the floating glowing parts?
Anabaseios/Ascension Striking armour
Apparently I ruin mentors's roulette by doing Shiva ex again and again cause I love it even if I know it perfectly. Dunno doing something you like and you know was ruinning other experience. ( funny tho that the mentor in question kept dying to easily avoidable aoe... )
man, that looks fun
Can you do more mentore hell?
When I go in as mentor or just in progress duty, I stay to clear the fights (but I always tell them I need my roulette money I ain’t leaving til I get it) and we always end up clearing…
We’re getting too many elitists nowadays.
Bro 2:46 was exactly how i felt doing Unreal. The amount of people that had no idea what to do. Ended up begging my FC to run it with me.
Omg I am the BLM at 0:45! Sorry for making your life miserable, but I'm still learning!
Haha you actually did fine, much better than most sprout BLMs! I just thought it was funny that you fell to the curse of aoes being constantly aimed at your leylines
7:48 this whole clip just made me laugh too much.
I’m sorry, I know I should commenting about the suffering, but that Jigen Glam is fucking mint. I need to make that 😂
Why do people que up for EXs though duty finder? They some crazy masochists and sadists at the same time XD
i used to do this! it's because khloe needed it and i was a free trial sprout LOL
It's pretty common in JP, or at least it was for the several years I was on Tonberry. But that's usually for when people have practiced, cleared the fight, generally know it and can follow a macro, etc.
I play solo so always use duty finder to do ex and it go pretty well 😮 I love doing Shiva ex (not eden) cause i find funny seeing people dying to her bow phase x)
In elemental dc thats what people usually do so the clear rate is actually pretty reliable
Oh my god, I fear for my life, this is in the elemental DC.
That's why I'm never in Mentor roulette, nor am I a mentor
Heavy weighs the crown huh
Wow, a compilation of me dying
I hate getting low level roulettes as a healer. You're forced to just be a heal bot because you and the tank lack the tools for you to be anything else but a heal bot. I want to cast broil and keep my bubble up and let my fairy handle most of the healing while I occasionally give a shield to the tank, and maybe do deployment tactics or succor if we really need it, not sit there and spam physick because I literally don't even have my shield yet
I had to stop doing mentor roulettes because of how badly it was stressing me out. I'm happy to help people with a good attitude and a willingness to learn, but that is not what I was getting.
I'm safe from the montage... this time. I know a lot of the duties up to like level 60, but I took an extended break and forgot a lot more than I wished I had. I spent 10 years playing World of Warcraft and it's incredibly humbling trying to remember everything I've done.
As someone who's spamming mentor roulette currently, I feel the pain... Amazing video, missed your long & edited stuff!
As someone who doesn't do Mentor roulette even though I can, I can't remember every detail from every Extreme fight. it's much easier to tell the raid to watch a video because that's exactly what I'd be doing to refresh on it.
On that note, it's always better to do Normal/Savage Raids and Extreme trials via the Party Finder.
The Ceasar meme got me bad
huh i also play on elemental and i haven't gotten an ex trial for all of endwalker. did have a similar situation though with your ravana hell run with thordan back in shadowbringers
I was rolling when I saw that boss focusing on black mage😂
I can't wait until we get Savage Raid Roulette!~
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As a diehard Warframe fan The opticor vandal got me rolling
Lmao that opticor vandal