Project 8th Gen Civic Si - Hondata Flashpro Dyno Tuning How To
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2020
- Tuning by Nick
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
nick@tuningbynick.com
Dynojet 224xLC Load Control Dyno Tuning
2008 Honda Civic Si Project Car
K20Z3 Internally Stock Engine
K-Tuned 3.5" Cold Air Intake
K-Tuned Stainless Steel Header
K-Tuned 3" Cat Back Exhaust
Hondata Flashpro - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Great vid nick, knowing this is your bread and butter. Sharing with the community of what you know. Wish other tuners can follow in your footsteps.
was extremely helpful with getting mine up and running appreciate the time you took to make this!
As an 8th gen owner great video!!!
A book like a video for beginners, thank you, hope that such videos will continue.
Great video, I’m using the stock tuned map with fuel table modifications only and it’s pretty good.
Thanks Nick, this video taught me a lot!
Most informative tuning video I've found for a total Honda noob trying to understand how all this fits together. Thank you!
Tell me bout tryna understand everything for hours
Amazing bro rly helping🤟 what i want too see is a video on the cam angle process like how to start from a scratch
Nice video Nick!
This video is great. Thanks for the tables at the end. Helps gives me a starting point. Coming from B-Series the VTC stuff is a little confusing at first
Thanks for another lesson nick. Appreciate the post
My pleasure!
Beautiful 8gen🤙🏻
I assumed the base maps would be closer. I very happy with Unitronic on my VW Jetta, and was considering Flashpro for my Si. Right now I'd be happy with a stock pro tune, and later go full bolts on. Thanks for informative video!
These cars are a lot more picky about their tunes. Some reason German cars seem to be able to run strong and reliably off of OTS tunes but Honda base maps are pretty crappy
Awsome man great info and will give me a good base map to follow currently have about the same mods just different brands same sizes though so this should get me close. Thank you and now some datalogging and adjustments 😁
Nice one nick
Would love to see more of this!
Love your videos bro 👍🏻
Ty very much for posting this. I am just starting to mod my 2008 si and i have the Skunk2 cold air intake and i getting ready to buy the header back exhaust from skunk2 as well. Because I live in Ohio and I have to do E-Check I'm waiting until I have all the parts necessary to do the build and I'm waiting until I can take my E-Check so I have leeway in order to get past it to do the build this was very informative and if you're down for correspondence I would love to pick your brain
The injector duty looks close to 90% at red line. I would like to see it with a bigger throttle body and bigger injectors, then port the intake manifold and see how it improves. I love your videos, keep working, thanks for sharing.
Thanks - Injector duty cycle actually hit 92% at redline - I meant to talk about duty cycle in the video. I am definitely going to tall about it in the next video tho.
I have an ‘08 civic Si coupe! Love that car
Mee too any problems so far?
@@Steve-zo4uc Not really! I have a k24A1 in mines and the oil leaks are annoying but thats it
Love it, I’m about ready to etune with you. Think i wanna get a 72mm throttle body first
Video was perfect if anything not long enough about to put this exact engine in my 04 Accord and tuning os foreign to me.... well it was foreign THANKS
Great information and content! Can you do something similar for your RSX as far as ECU options and datalogging? The challenges with the 05-06 sensors/ecu? Hondata vs ktuner? Thanks!
Great video and thought the length was good. Another possible idea is to do an intake manifold power comparison. RBC vs RBB vs RRC comparison video would be fun to see.
I agree that would be a good video. I have to see what manifolds I can get my hands on. I only have an RBC atm.
Hi! Nice video and so much information that you have provided, I just want to say that I am not a Honda owner but my mother has a 2012 crv that she got with 50k miles back then and now at 200k miles it drives great and same with my little sis and her 2012 civic coupe idk how many miles she had when she got it but now over 170k and runs great too, ive always been a car guy and at 39 years of age I still love to drive my cars on coilovers sitting low cruising, after my car accident on my Saab I was looking at some Si but let me say, they are way too overpriced even with high millage and not to mention a new one is insane$$$ I know that they are reliable but not for an arm or a leg, its weird how I somehow every once in a while I find myself watching a Honda video like this and even better a video with information, showes a product, and had the results with proof of the results.
Thanks - Glad you like it
Finally!! I've been waiting to see how it compares to mine :)) (black civic si you tuned) lol
Great video nick! She made good power, I'm going to switch my intake to the cold air and a few others when winter is over then bring it by.
Thanks - Sounds good - lmk when youre ready and we can touch up the tune for the new parts
Good shit
Good video appreciate the info. You should Do a tune video for stock 8th gen si!
Hey nick, awesome video! I’m having an issue with my CSX Type-S with a K24a2 swap. It will redline at 8200, I have a type s pump, 50deg vtc. But sometimes it’ll just stop at 7 grand like a wall. Any ideas? I was told it was the clutch switch and or something to do with the flat foot shifting.
How did you adjust the maf scaling to help with the stft ?
this episode really resonated with me pun intended.
; )
@@tuningbynick I have 2013 Honda Civic 2013 Auto LX only mod so far Takeda Cold Air Intake what recommendation to get it to got faster new to mod scene. What's the best quiet not noisy for tune exhaust that good for street daily driver? Also what bolt on will I need wheels etc tires to get most fun out of car...Already have Tein Coilovers also.
Can you try a good brand octane booster or put in larger injectors in and test E85?
From the looks of the pre made maps and how lean they still are. If you are running with a high flow filter stock airbox and an axle back would you be slightly better off running a rai tune on the car just to be safe having it figure for slightly more airflow so you don't run lean? Or would you still be better off with a "stock reflash" from hondata?
Dopee subbed for awhile helped me get me get goin!
I'm a bolt on tune at home kind of tinkerer, I like the intake and bolt on dyno comparisons! I'm sittin with a 3" intake and 2.5" exhaust, but it's time to go bigger!
you should not
Flame map videos for sure
Nick
2003 DC5 RSX Type S
214,000 miles , full bolt ons runs like a 🏁 champ 🏆.
Building a
2006 k20z1 w/ Skunk2 stg 2cams right now.
This pod cast is VERY informative.
Thank 👍 you!
Good video love the info but have u tuned a si on ktuner with a same set up I'm looking for info I would like to run a 3.5 air intake on my set up now but can't get the right help to get the car running right I just need a base map tune
I know I am very late to this video. And this may be a weird question. But does this mean you shouldn’t install your mods unless you’re getting it tuned after? Just to keep it from hurting the motor?
Nice! I’ll rate you up there!
Nick, you did a video on AFR and the Honda K engine.. I can't find it. You went into more detail than this video (23:53 onwards).. which video was it? Thanks
Could you just do this on the road by holding the brake pedal and throttle at various loads and data logging it? Are you adjusting timing for knock or to affect the afr too?
when you say vtec cut in at 4200, is that the lower or higher vtec engagement? or so you set them both at 4200rpm?
I am on my 4th 8th gen Si. My 1st 3 were all bone stock. My current 09 FA5 had 42k miles on it when I purchased it 2 years ago (122k now). In the trunk was the stock airbox (K&N v2 on car), a brand new Mugen shift knob, and my very 1st Hondata Flashpro! I have read and researched so much on tuning... this video was by far the most informative. Thanks for taking the time to make this Nick! Question... I want to run 16:1 afr cruising on the highway in 6th gear. Is this possible? My 2 cents to you... lightweight wheels made a HUGE difference in accel and braking for me. Dropped 3.4 kilos per corner going with Koenig Hypergram 17x8 35mm offset with Michelin AS3+ 225/45/17 tires.
If you have no CAT you can technically get away with AF's that lean
I know this is a old video and you’ll probably not answer but if you do I have a question, would my car run different in a bad way if I have a 07 civic LX stock but I’m putting a mega power cat back exhaust system ? Or I will need to tune my car ?
Do you prefer to tune this gen civic in speed density?
Super nice video. Greetings form Germany #FN2TypeR #K20Z4
what's the best quiet not noisy for tune exhaust that good for street daily driver?
Hello nick
I have some bolt on parts like a skunk2 cold intake 3.5” & a big bore throttle body 70mm & a 2.5 Yonaka cat back exhaust. How much for a base tune with those parts on my 8th gen civic si. I’m still learning the Hondata programming.
I have 8gen r18 basic mods, will hondata flashpro do anything for me??
Howmuch for a flash on a csx? More ignition timing amd vct?
Can you make the same video but street tune ? I have a k20z3 with full exhaust( catless header as well ) Fujita sri, and of course my hondata...
Sheesh, ima need one of them spoon engines hector got the hookup on
Absolutely love this type of vids. More detail tuning vids for starters plz. Oh by any chance do you provide e tune services? Thx
Thanks. Yes I do. Shoot me an email and I’d be happy to discuss- nick@tuningbynick.com
@@tuningbynick awesome
@@tuningbynick e tune services awsome man will keep you in mind when I'm ready if you willing to etune my fa5 with bolt ons running hondata flashpro
What mods do I need to get to 230whp on a k20z3?
Could that dealer version work on 04 Tsx ?
So with all those mods. Im guessing its best not to buy the hondata then? And get a tune?
Thanks for the tips Nick! Is there an editable formula for the "AFR corrected" display or was it set and locked by Hondata? I thought I saw a formula scaler somewhere before to adjust this display against my AEM WB so that I could calculate it to an exact AFR reading when logging but am unable to find it now. I know I can go in and enable the WB logging on an input signal that is disabled under "lambda settings" but plan to get the "AFR corrected" calculated then remove the AEM unit from the vehicle.
In all honesty i have never tried adjusting the "corrected" value. In my experience, you always have to question wideband readings. You can never blindly believe what they are reading. If 2 sensors are showing different values, one of them is not working correctly and should try and determine why they are reading differently
@@tuningbynick Agreed Nick BUT the "corrected" AFR is an offset reading of the stock WB sensor as can be seen in a log by displaying both AFR display and corrected AFR display, this was done by Hondata by reading a known good stock sensor then applying a correction factor to give a display reading much closer to the actual AFR then the stock sensor shows in a richer than stoich condition.
For instance having both displays up in a log under closed loop will show (in my case)14.7 AFR and 14.9 corrected AFR... then in boost 10.8 AFR is equal to 12.15 corrected AFR, as the AFR goes richer the offset becomes larger. Under lambda settings you can choose to target the corrected AFR reading when using the lambda overlay functions on the fuel map tables. Given the limitation on the stock WB reading under any/all situations logging an aftermarket WB is going to show 2 different values, choosing the AEM WB as long as it has been calibrated is the correct choice to rely on IMO.
Surely you have a dedicated WB for the dyno when tuning that you trust the readings an can compare the stock sensor to?
I'm almost finished wiring up the AEM WB harness back into the car, I will see if I can make a video with Hondata running live with all 3 WB displays running - AFR/corrected AFR/AEM input to hondata AFR along with the physical gauge readings, who knows maybe there is something there for video content you can film/discuss on your chanel?
Nice video. Looking forward to a throttle body comparison. Do you have a download of your base tune you used here? I got pretty much the same setup, skunk2 cai (no maf) skunk2 header and rev9 exhaust. Thanks
Thanks - Id be happy to discuss some options with you, shoot me an email and we can figure something out - nick@tuningbynick.com
How much do you charge for tuning I live in the States Connecticut. I have a FG2 with full exhaust system it's come to alpha skunks header skunk2 racing cat back type is oil pump K20Z3 intake cam swap into the K24A2 j35 throttle body. Hybrid cold air intake
Did u tune using speed density?
I don’t get how you can set timing numbers. I understand fuel af targets but how does one know timing angles to set.
Yes this was tuned using speed density fuel maps. You really need a dyno to be able to tune ignition timing effectively
@@tuningbynick Will speed density be OK in cold weather. I’m debating on turboing my R 18. I’m replicating pets and similar turbo size as the TSI turbo kit because hondata has a base map for that kit. However because I know all the parts won’t be the same I will need to fine tune the map. But again the ignition advance/ retard is like what!?! How do E tuners tune the vehicle tables specifically ignition if it’s a Etune?
Just picked up a bone stock FA5 with 91,000kms from an old lady that dealer maintained it and didnt drive it in the winter on our salty roads in Montreal!
That should make for a great project car!
great video nick! I just have a quick question. I have a hondata flashpro and I've been wanting to put a crackle tune on my fa5. Just wanted to know if it would hurt the engine. I haven't had to add oil in between oil changes and it has about 215k km.
If you are CATLESS if not I wouldn't!!
@@416rides5 you need subs that bad?
Besides A/F ratios and cam timing, what else can you control? And is there a specific method to find possible power gains?
Almost everything is adjustable if you have a Hondata Flashpro - Yes there is a method of finding gains, but its not a simple thing one can do. Tuners like myself have spent thousands of hours perfecting our craft - The best thing you can do is take your car to a reputable experienced tuner and work with them to get the most out of your car
Excellent explanation. Who is better for tune Maf or speed density?
Thanks - I always switch to speed density whenever i am tuning- i forgot to mention that in the video
Do you get lower mpg since it needs a bit more fuel? Or is it not noticeably lower or even better when tuning?
When done properly - Tuning usually improves or at the very least does not effect fuel economy.
Is it possible to swap on a CSX front end on the coupes?
No
So will Hondata work with stock 2013 Honda Civic LX Auto do I need to add any add on intake, exhaust, etc?? any suggestion or I can be completely stock? If you don't want a loud car what mods can I do to go faster with more hp for a 2013 Honda Civic LX Auto
Whats the difference between header/catalytic convertor/ or catless which one would be quiet? Whats the best tune program to use simple for faster. Hondata?
Unfortunately Hondata does not have a Flashpro for the LX - They only have for the Si
Hey nick I have questions for you I got 8gen civic si and only mods I have is skunk2 alpha headers skunk2 catback skunk2 3.5 cai what kind based map should I ran? And can u do e-tuned? If yes lmk I been watching your videos
Hi Kevin - None of the basemaps will work that well for those parts - Yes i do offer etuning - send me an email and i would be happy to discuss - nick@tuningbynick.com
Hey love the videos, very helpful. I have a 2008 fg2 with a typhoon short ram and a full straight piped exhaust with test pipe. I’m on a hondata basemap and run about 14 afr at idle and very light load and 13 afr under wot. Is that too lean for wot? Thanks in advance to anyone who helps!
At light load the 14 is good - the 13 is a bit lean for WOT - The proper target AF for an NA K is 12.5 at WOT
Yo how much do you charge/hour?
hi I have the same Honda Civic 8th Gen but my AFR is 13.7 at WOT but I have it commanded at 12.05 my short and long trims are fine. I already tried eliminating the MAF sensor, and worked on the Speed Density table but I already tried increasing the values by a lot and I couldn't reach 12.05
Im lost the comanded AFR over 4.5k RPM
Do u still etune these cars?
Hi Nick Im learning how to tune my 06 si it has 3” exhaust skunk2 header and 3.5” intake thru the headlight anyway Im curious about the fueling maps can I use the same fueling for all cam angles or is it really neccesary to tune different fueling for every cam angle if you dont mind sharing I dont have much support where I live thank you
Yes you can make all the fuel and all the ignition maps the same and make sure "All" is checked so that any adjustments you make adjust all the maps the same way. This will make your life a lot simpler
Ok thank you Nick very kind of you to share these tips
Do an rbc vs rrc vs skunk2 ultra street comparison
Hate to be that guy, but I’m just curious to see how to get some pop/bang two step on these, I literally have never seen it in a naturally aspirated fg2, somehow the r18 fg1 loves flames and bangs.
Not to worry - I know that is a very requested video so i will be doing it as soon as i can fit it in
Hi, quick question. How long can I run basemap before getting it tuned properly? tyty
The best thing to do is collect all your mods and then install then and then go right away for a tune - There really is no good reason to drive around on a basemap
@@tuningbynick Thank you!
Out of pure curiosity, I'd love to see the effects of water, meth, or water/meth injection on an N/A application w/ pump gas! Definitely on the expensive side for "testing" but I'd be curious to see if it's a legitimate alternative for us Canadians with minimal access to E85. And if the gains would be similar to E85.
In all honesty I am not a fan of water meth kits. I’ve tuned countless setups with water meth over the years. It definitely won’t get you the same results as e85. Water meth won’t help make more power. It just lets you go a bit beyond what the knock limitations of pump gas and allows you to run more timing. That being said. If the water meth system has a failure. It’s usually catastrophic for the engine. By comparison - e85 is oxygenated and has a higher knock limit. Usually you can make more power on e85 just because it’s oxygenated and then also run more timing making even more power
any chance you got a HR 3.5 cai, indvidia race headers + invidia 3 inch, 80 mm tb, 1000cc injectors e tune i can purchase or work on with you
On a setup that specific you really need to actually tune it - If you dont have any local tuners you can take it to, i could remotely tune it for you
@@tuningbynick how’s the remote tune work?
would it be possible for us to work out a deal for a etune or something you can send me let me know just wanna know before installing hondata.
For sure. Shoot me an email and I’d be happy to discuss options. nick@tuningbynick.com
❤i copy tha map run and my 8va run hard
Good video however why does graph dip down and then go back up?
Any humps or dips are usually caused by an air flow resonance within the intake system. Usually long vs short intakes will have these humps and dips in different spots. I should be able to see how the hump and dip move around with different intake air pipes when I do the intake comparison video.
@@tuningbynick what about changing vtec engagement. Every time I have been tuned I never had that dip 🤷🏽♂️
I’m not to sure if I should even drive my car on a base map now 😂 to tune it I need to find a base map for a skunk2 exhaust , and hybrid CAI
Sick video man. so informative.. Would you recommend a clutch upgrade say a stage 1 clutch with full Bolt ons?
Thanks - The OEM clutch is surprisingly good, if they are in good shape they can hold a good amount of power - If its warn our tho, i really like the comp stage 2 clutch
this calibration close loop or wot lambda open loop ?
These cars are open loop when in WOT
Mines got 350 000 and still going strong
Can I adjust vtc without touching fuel and ignition?
Once VTC is adjusted you need to readjust your fuel and ignition tables otherwise you wont be getting the full benefit of your VTC adjustments
@@tuningbynick any tips on tuning short term trims? What targets am I looking for when giving 30-70% throttle whole normal driving 1-4 gears.
Awesome! Thanks Nick from CALI... keep up the good work! I am wondering if I could get or would share this tune I'd appreciate it.... SUB
Thanks, glad you like the video - I dont really share tunes because this tune wont run the same on someone else's car - I do offer remote and etuning services that can help to get your car to run properly. If you or anyone else is interested in that sort of help, please feel free to email me - nick@tuningbynick.com
civic si 8 generation hondata flashpro prl dyno tuned
Pops
How can i contact you for a etune?
Best way to get in touch is email - nick@tuningbynick.com
Random ?: When people ask what you do for a living, do you say you're tuner w/ a YT channel or simply a CZcamsr?
Wow it's pretty sad that my FBO RBC swapped 9th gen with 3 times Less mileage made 207 167 on this Dyno 😔
That must suck
Was it done on a hot day? Iat Temps could have been much higher causing less power.
@@TheJanz3n nope it was probably under 20° and I have acuity CAI best one on the market
@@k24z7_ are you in Canada? Same sea level? Or did nick tune your car?
@@TheJanz3n I'm in Toronto and yes tuned by Nick
13 civic si ktuner
I wanna see it 2 step shoot flames like the Acura