楊岳橋：雙普選是北京對香港的承諾－ BBC News 中文 ｜逃犯條例｜一國兩制｜
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bin lv 废青还是不会玩政治。能做的不能说，能说的不能做。香港没有任何武力来抗衡，连经济地位也只是因为是中国的门户。人家进门，你不让进，中国再开一道门不就得了。香港青年比我们20岁的大陆青年还低智商低情商，唯一有的就是莫名其妙的骄傲，导致连思考都不会了。
@@Ryan-nm6te 毕竟人家都觉得自己是唯一的金融中心了
BlackWoof 中国刚刚开放零限制外资入市，就是准备把香港踢掉。胳膊拧不过大腿，共产党得民心，怎么弄香港其余的省都是举双手同意。现在不动武，只是想给大家看一个失败的民主自由的例子。民主自由发展到后面，也是小圈子斗法，全体民主自由，根本是天方夜谭。中国是直白的，欧美是诱惑的，但是效率还是中国高。政治本身是去平民化的，大部分平民除了吃喝玩乐还懂什么？不论中国还是欧美。
@@Ryan-nm6te 秀儿坐下.
BlackWoof 说得不好听的，要是香港人真有幸爬到主席的位置，他才明白共产党的特色社会主义是什么。一个封建时代的帝王都想拥有的：为民得民心，造福百姓，大力压制中间官员，高压反贪反腐，只要人民爱戴他，这个帝王什么都干。帝制失败于通信的精度与速度，可是现在精度与速度都有。共产党内部政治讨论后的结果直接关系到共产党后续工作，做差了要重做，不存在这个党派没做好丢给下一个党派。减少了海量资源浪费。中国特色社会主义说得白话一点，就是：为了大同世界和人民富裕，什么东西都学，不论社会主义还是资本主义。共产党最高领导甚至不需要金钱，绝对的权力对金钱的需求几乎没有，因为绝对的权力本身就是无价的。最高领导人就会超脱一个棋子的得失，而顾全大局。千古帝王，悠悠。看看川普，台湾整天鸡飞狗跳的。（当然唯一没有的权力是：继承人制度，不然中国就真是朝鲜了）
I can't believe I'm hearing the truth from BBC. Wow!
Tony Jorge But the Chinese communists are still doing wrong
me too !😂😂
Obie Chan bbc is fake news, fake news is not our friend, london people says that last year
I am come from Hong Kong,many people in HK hate the protesters and the rioters,please don't believe them which said Hong Kong should be
independent from China.They are full of lies
lmao
I'm here because of Nathan Rich.
Me also
LarHisenBurg me too
Me too
me too
I saw this clip before seeing it again from Nate. I love the critical and logical questions from Shaun. Masterful interviewing techniques, without sounding bias.
BBC doing actual journalism? am I dreaming? Bravo BBC.
This is not the BBC I knew before.
It's a balancing act!
You will be very surprised..
Remember it's rubbish sorry British.
This is a programme called “Hard-talk”, the main point of this programme is questioning intensively to the participant, in other to show the idea of the participant in other perspective. So that's why he enquire him harshly. I think there is no problem for that, in fact Mr. Yeung did a great job there.
@@austinchan841 Imagine explaining to wumao army
主持人提問十分有料，充份顯示出主持人對香港政局的深入理解，佩服！
bb china哈哈
這位主持對香港的現況掌握比任何建制派及港府更準確
@@chuj8172 建制派應該找這種人來當議員，我不想看元秋梁妖了，給我看高智商的角力。
@@0LunarTears0 正常有腦的人大多不會埋建制堆,賺陰質錢,令子孫蒙羞
chu j 哪点看出，请教。
you are asking of china what you were never given by the british
the guy just smiles
well, one should expect one's own "mother country" to be more generous than a mere colonizer
@@bravery2047 perhaps its tough love
Trust the motherland
@@bravery2047 Obviously this son was over spoiled by his mother. Now his mother will teach him a lesson.
@@tonywong3484 or this is an abusive mother who has a choke hold on the child.
Great point
Come here from Nathan Rich!!!
me too
Yup
Me also
same
same here
O.M.G! what happened to BBC? that is one of the best interviews!!! finally, good job BBC!
sob
@@cy6749 why are u calling yourself that??? it will hurt your mom's feeling!
bbc（x）
bbChina（√）
BBC 主持人比來賓還懂香港。這個外國人有作功課。給他一萬個讚。
他这些人是选择性失明，他这次被KO完全自找，媒体都不敢宣传，平时估计都通街了！
1997时，他可能还是小学生，那时香港不政治化，個個想移民不敢得罪鬼佬。他知道香港的事都是书籍和父母亲，老师告诉他们的，最多就是读下政治，法律。。老外一看就知这男孩子想眉外，反国家。。。像個小学鸡去见工，把香港人出卖。...香港人俾他羞耻死了
Tingyi Huang 岩聽就懂香港唔岩聽外國势力
BBC的这个主持人也是比较客观看待问题，应该给他一个赞！
BBC主持人问他那么多问题，杨岳桥这货讲来讲去都是那几句话，被反驳一次又一次都还是那几句，我都替他尴尬
这个主持人居然说“你们在问中国要一箱项连英国人都从未赋予给你们的权利”OMG😂😂😂😂
但主持人無疑是岔開重點吧，那個權力是中國自己承諾的，當然自己在毀約
還有用英國比較中國，會不會覺得有點有趣，即使當初英國人沒有賦予普選權利但他們有像中國一樣只管搞自己中國其他城市，而破壞香港嗎？貌似沒有吧，他們委派了一個個充滿政治智慧的人搞好香港，中國呢？委任一個個所謂港人的特首，結果是一點政治智慧都沒有，也不被民間認受，得出的結果是什麼？你應該很清楚吧
空降下來的富二代來管你們，在上頭只會奉承，實際在剝削你們，不聽你們的苦，只會一次次容忍社會制度被特權人士剝削
@@mandyc0228 有没有关于承诺的链接或者材料？我在翻阅基本法里只提到了，“港人治港，高度自治”，没有看到关于立法会与行政长官双普选的承诺？请不吝告知
@@fsz9048 《中華人民共和國香港特別行政區基本法》關於普選的條文：
第45條：香港特別行政區行政長官在當地通過選舉或協商產生，由中央人民政府任命。
行政長官的產生辦法根據香港特別行政區的實際情況和循序漸進的原則而規定，最終達至由一個有廣泛代表性的提名委員會按民主程序提名後普選產生的目標。
行政長官產生的具體辦法由附件一《香港特別行政區行政長官的產生辦法》規定。
第68條：香港特別行政區立法會由選舉產生。
立法會的產生辦法根據香港特別行政區的實際情況和循序漸進的原則而規定，最終達至全部議員由普選產生的目標。
立法會產生的具體辦法和法案、議案的表決程序由附件二《香港特別行政區立法會的產生辦法和表決程序》規定。
附件1：第7條：2007年以後各任行政長官的產生辦法如需修改，須經立法會全體議員三分之二多數通過，行政長官同意，並報全國人民代表大會常務委員會批准。
附件2：第3條：2007年以後立法會的產生辦法和表決程序2007年以後香港特別行政區立法會的產生辦法和法案、議案的表決程序，如需對本附件的規定進行修改，須經立法會全體議員三分之二多數通過，行政長官同意，並報全國人民代表大會常務委員會備案。
@@user-sc7ho7pf9u 行政长官不还是要有提名委员会吗
臧风顺 提不提，不是是否双普选的基础
“Hongkong is a unique place?” Lol not anymore after this shitshow
How does protesting make a place no longer unique? I don't know what you're implying but let me remind you that money or economics has nothing to do with uniqueness
Protesting is exactly what makes HK so unique in China.
Looks like the national security laws and article 23 are even worst than the rioters. 😂
Alvin is changing subjects all the time he rarely answers the questions asked.
MountainDerp Chwn
Trust me, he wants to, yet he becomes so powerless and fragile when it comes to something called REASON and LOGIC.
我在加拿大和中国都有公司，我也已经45岁，香港年轻人，几点简要沟通：1、你们看看阿拉伯之春的后果，不说利比亚难民这些，就是埃及，民选上台-民选下台-军政府，现在远不如穆巴拉克。2、你们说富裕国家都是民主，但事实是绝大部分富裕以后才有民主，看看德国日本。3、不要觉得民主高大上，民主弊端非常非常多，一点不必中国维权体制少，你们看看乌克兰、阿根廷、巴西等等，选举就是笑话。即使欧美，现在都在反思民主弊端，这点我们在国外深有体会，就连特朗普也说BALTIMORE到处是老鼠、垃圾、罪犯。香港年轻人，切切不要为年轻付出惨重代价，我也是从64走过来，现在回看当年是无比无比错误的，人类需要一步步进步，理想主义害死人，大家都客观现实一些。自由民主不是普世价值观，真正普世价值观第一就是客观
@UC0ihX55_z6x2v-W8BDSon9w 不要口口声声中共，我在加拿大二十多年，我两边都有看到。为什么西方这几十年发展很慢？为什么法国黄背心，英国脱欧，德国极右翼等等，包括在加拿大，就我家附近大桥3KM，讨论30年，造价200亿RMB，天文数字。我真诚建议你们不要头脑发热简单思维，理想主义害死人。
@Chan Chan 没有人要你们必须接受中国模式，这完全不是中国想要的，如果想早就军队过来了，这里面有非常大沟通空间。但是前提是客观、理性。你们现在这样抗争方式不可取，一方面鸡蛋碰石头，最后还什么得不到，斗争要有技巧，有进有退，不能一根筋死到底。另外，你们斗争目标也意义不大，民主自由不是香港核心问题，这解决不了经济，台湾日本自由民主，经济停滞二十多年。所以客观理性一些，多看看世界，真的和你们想的不同。我第一次创业非常成功和传奇，第二次就觉得很简单，实际我又煎熬五年，不能这么简单思维。
@Chan Chan 其实每个人都在打压自由和人权，我们每个人都是打压者。包括很多公司经理，不允许公司有负面情绪和言论，都是一种打压。人类也是需要打压的，因为人类都是坏消息传千里，好消息不出门，所以美国、欧洲、澳洲也会限制FACEBOOK。真的，不要简单的想，每个人其实都是打压者。
@Chan Chan 你们真的放大政治自由重要性了。首先，你如果穿梭东西方，不会感觉自由有多大差别。第二，相比政治自由，经济自由对每个人其实更重要。第三，政治自由其实很危险，希特勒，包括特朗普竞选都采用民粹，你可以看看特朗普对黑人的攻击。任何事情都有两面性，以前共产党说没人平等利益，现在西方说每人平等权利，其实都是忽悠很危险。
@Chan Chan 到底群众眼睛是雪亮的？还是真理掌握在少数人手里？我也没有完全确定。但是数量多不是一定代表正确，所有人类都犯错误这非常非常普遍，包括二战德国，所有人都同意侵略和残杀犹太人。香港核心还是经济问题，这需要非常大功夫解决，但是假如走上民主多党制，那肯定香港就彻底完了。民主这东西需要很坚实经济实力和很高民众素质，如果香港民主多党，肯定每天议会吵架什么事也做不了。即使加拿大，你可以查一下，60%多对议会非常不满意，效率太低太低了，每天看演戏。
The BBC interviewer is very knowledgable.
buddy, wake up, not valid anymore about the unique position of HK as the international financial centre. HK is unique because it was designed so. if it is not functioning well per design, there will come plan B.
Is it really reasonable to demand the withdrawal of an extradition bill that can enable the convict that murdered his pregnant girlfriend and stuffed the body in a suitcase get trialed for his crimes? Or do hk people just embrace crimes and violence of all sorts (the riots)?
They obviously don't care about the victim or the crimes, they just want to advance their political agenda. The bill is just an excuse for them to do so.
probably because of the loads of white collar crimes being made punishable
and that is why fake news is so dangerous. i keep having to explain to friends & colleagues the origins of this extradition bill is a young lady being murdered in taiwan, and the boyfriend flying back to hk--which would require his extradition for taiwanese authorities to prosecute him & conduct a full investigation
a majority of uninformed onlookers think this extradition bill is communist china trying to legalize extrajudicial kidnappings to harvest hong kong people's precious organs or to imprison/kill/silence political dissidents. when i ask them for a source they show me epoch times, voice of america, twitter, youtube, china uncensored, falun gong
I don't understand why they're pulling China into this though. This was originally a proposal made by the Hong Kong government to extradite criminals between Taiwan, Macao & China. Hong Kong has been known to be a safe haven for criminals for quite some time & the withdrawal of the extradition bill isn't helping. The guy that killed his girlfriend has yet to undergo trial for this case & the mom of the victim has demanded justice 😔
Cheesypuffs there is a good amount of paranoia involved
This is the best BBC interview i have seen in years..
I was thinking watching a wrong channel, it's quite not like those previous BBC interviews, perhaps future new PM is working on it lol!!
是啊奇怪呢。。
@Xu Chen
I understand you are a 50 cents.
@Xu Chen
50 cents detected.
@@tesayoung9229 I did not know Singapore government paid me for commenting. Anyway, I heard a dog barking twice early. Owner please leashed him.
After watching this, I went back to the basic law. Under article 45, the Chinese government did not promise universal suffrage. It is only an "aim" ...an aim is not a guarantee and does not need to be met.
Even so, under article 158... the law is under the interpretation of the Chinese government (PRC) … therefore, what they are fighting for doesnt have much ground. All you can say is that protesters misinterpreted the law.
Currently being in HK, what Mr Yeung is saying is false. They are not only asking for 2 things. The protest is asking for 5 demands.
And they are asking to release people who committed a crime...
@@andychenghk79 Yes, that's one of the most ridiculous parts. And it might be one of the solutions they showed how they 'protect' those young people and thrill them to do more crimes for them.
@@maggiewong1173 not really.. they are just too afraid to have no vote from youngsters, so have to follow those riots' wishes
Are you deaf ? He did mention the protestors requesting 5 demands lol
@@andychenghk79 Hong kong might be the paradise of crime in the future.
BBC has made a frank presentation; and no matter how Alvin Yang insists and repeats his disagreement, he cannot change the fact that there are only 28 years left, and the riots and chaos only ruin Hong Kong!
Mr. Yeung is a repeating machine lmao
a dreamer
omfg i love this, i've been telling my friends from hong kong for years that the freedoms and democracy they thought they had under british rule never existed, hell under british rule ethnically chinese people weren't allowed to hold positions of power be it corporate, political or anything, it was all british run/controlled,
and now, look at who the leader of hong kong is, a CHINESE FEMALE LOCAL, something that would never have happened under british rule.. ffs
BBC难得有这么中立观点的新闻，主持人有水准
这个难得用得特别好
川普不是说香港废青算是暴动了吗，英国得跟上节奏赶紧跟这些泛民废青撇清关系
林则徐 大陸新聞有中立觀點嗎，哈哈😄
@@Philly_hk CCTV报道外国事件最中立
@Zerg s CCTV在某些事情上报道的虽然偏红，但是也还好啦，没有西方媒体那么夸张
Beijing is no losing Hong Kong. Hong Konger themselves are losing their peaceful home by vandalizing it.
He marched into an interview ill-prepared. Turned nervous as the questions got tougher. It is obvious he has no depth. If these are the leaders for new Hong Kong, if it ever happen, then good luck.
I am very impressed by the interviewer, this is what journalism should be
这位主持人算是新闻主持最高水平了…应该给发一个奖。
Talking like a spoiled baby. All this guy knows is the “youngsters” are amazing 😂
That's his main group of supporters. He gotta lick their boots.
During the 70s, HongKong was much better of than their mainland cousins and had that superiority complex
that still persist till this day which isn’t helpful to assimilate them back the mainland.
As an oversea Chinese, it is really disgusting to see Alvin and his kind can accept the colonial rules
which their ancestors rebel against.
Learned to have self respect and dignity
Only the youngsters would buy his lies
Yea the way he said but it was Beijing’s promise. like but mommy, you said it was ok. Lol Jus kidding
看不懂
Alvin is the most shameful lawyer I have seen from HK.
He is a lawyer? Just wow........
@@carr16k a lawyer with blind eyes. He cannot understand the rule of law otherwise he would understand any law should apply to everyone including the rioters and not just the police officers, and government whom he claimed abuse their powers. He should fight it in the right way, and if he doesn't believe the law anymore why is he still practising as a lawyer in Hong Kong?
Finally, BBC earns back some respect.
3:46 (It = universal suffrage )
“You never have it up to the British.” “You were asking of China what you were never given by the British.”
Thanks BBC.
So we will fight for it. Just someone didnt gave the right to us didnt mean we shouldnt have the right, we all believe that it should be a better system for Hong Kong and a way to lead China towards true democracy.
Tony Au No offense but I think the right you are seeking for is not that necessary today. The biggest problem is how to make Hongkong go up again. The major issue ahead is the monopoly of real estate, etc. Think about it, if you guys develop this city in peace without these bad riots for several years, u will become the group who can reach the level to get these rights and improve those social problems in Hongkong. And if, in 2047, democracy makes Hongkong stable and prosperous again, Chinese government will definitely not do much interruption to Hongkong. How could a country want to change the system of its best city so badly at a price of its great achievements. If u have done the best to make yourselves better and thus to make the city better rather than raised riots, no one would interfere your pursuits of your right
Vice K do agree!
@@tjz5032 fuck ur democracy. u want go democracy then leave.... go to America
@@vicek1263 u have plenty of idiots now in hk.... forgive them..... thirsty for democracy but they have never lived in western countries..
Everything is going to Shenzhen. Bye bye HK.
U tell the truth lol
the mayors of the Shanghai and Shenzhen would probably wake up laughing thanks to these ignorant HK morons
I just can’t believe this interview is form BBC.
This is the first time I agree with the BBC's view. THANKS!!
Dantee Choi 么么哒😘😘😘😘
wow
BBC给的这个推送，莫名的喜欢，第一次给BBC一个👍，希望还有下次！
you forgot agreed 任人上那一次 ?
My name is Shelly Lloyd and I'm British. Despite what this lovely young man Yang said, I agree with him a lot and I feel pity for those protesters who only want their basic democracy. When I was traveling around Asia, I have several boyfriends and they always tell me that Hong Kong is a independent democratic country, and definitely not ruled by Chinese government, therefore this time is the time to let evil communism know, that freedom will always win, go and keep up fight for you freedom Hong Kong!!! Me as a British I will always support you guys and God will bless Hong Kong to be separated from this evil communist hole🇬🇧🇬🇧🇭🇰🇭🇰🙏🙏🙏
杨岳桥心里一定在骂这老头到底是不是UK人！
英国人在香港有大量的利益，香港再这么乱下去英国人后面20年也不用吸血了，就是一条死蛇，而且主持人最后也说得很明白，英国脱欧之后迫切的需要找到新的合作伙伴，而中国大陆是他们最好的选择，所以在这个时候拿枪指着港灿这群傻屌也很正常，另外看外交部的发言从来都没怼过英国一句，目标直指美国CIA在香港搞事情，所以可能在英国人面前这个局面也不是他们想要的。
@@sunmansammy 明白人
@@jakinsu8618 haha , I think bbc news just want to keep their stance neutral.I have seen many brit support hongkongers
煮得一手好面 貌似英国政客唯一一次官方支持香港暴动也就是大选前亨特为了拉选票那一次吧。 结果还没选上。 民间的声音肯定被被各种西方媒体带跑偏了，但是英国官方还算克制。你的逻辑很通顺。 就算是搞事的美国，不管下面人怎么叫嚣，他们头顶那个人已经把事件定义成暴动了。 西方国家跟中国打了几十年交道了。知道中国的底线在哪里。贸易上占中国点便宜那是家常便饭，但是港台问题是不敢轻易碰的。特朗普刚上任的时候说要把台湾问题当成是跟中国大陆谈判的筹码，结果中央根本都不理他。这次香港问题，他就老实多了。
@@riverxie 可以看看新版《黄智贤夜问》，就是被蔡省长停播以后的网络新版。里面多次提到，这次幺蛾子，蔡省长出钱出力的最多
Refreshing! The interviewer is knowledgable and logical, full respects!
This guy is an opportunist. He’s a bouffons et idiot.
He uses the young people of HK big time for his political interests.
It seems to me he speaks a standard English, unfortunately he fails to adopt the British philosophy that’s
“ If you can not beat them (china) join them “.
He is still living with colonial mentality. He likes to think he’s the “jones” or “smith“. Poor guy!
I can see he’s very grateful to her majesty the queen and queen Vitoria.
He wishes Winston Churchill was his god father.
When I see a snake I know it's a snake.
Of course you won’t blame young people because you need to use them to make them a cannon for your political career.
good!
Well said! 可惜看不清形势的在拼命 这种穿着西装上英文节目的早就知道独立无门 拿年轻人当子弹而已
Ren Lu As far as I know, only the Cultural Revolution is a conflict between young people and the masses, and China has already acknowledged that mistake. A All Chinese people know that it is wrong because the Chinese government does not intend to cover up history and call it the right one. As for the 5.4 Movement, it was because of the failure of China at the Paris Peace Conference and the signing of an unequal treaty with Japan. The 5.4 Movement will not attack civilians. Comparing the 5.4 Movement with the dogs that attack ordinary people in Hong Kong is simply an insult to everyone's IQ.
Ren Lu You said that the Chinese government attacked ordinary people in Hong Kong? Hahahaha Chinese government even don't send the People's Liberation Army. The Chinese government is far away because they know that some people will frame them violence against Hong kong people. Now there isn't a video on the whole network about the Chinese government's do something in Hong Kong. Are you dreaming here or are you thinking about it? The two people one is Chinese tourist and one reporter from the Global Times. They are only beated for one reason, that is, they are mainland Chinese and they are not in line with those protesters. If this is called the reason for their being beaten, then I am ashamed of Hong Kong’s so-called democracy. If they are beaten because they are spies (unfortunately there is no evidence, but they think) then this is the law enforcement department’s job, those protesters have no law enforcement power to deal with privately, and you support this kind of behavior, which is a shame for you. If you are Chinese, shame for you. If you are not Chinese, I suggest you shut up because you have no rights. And get out from my comments.
you are right.
Singapore & Shanghai: thank you hk!!
👍👍👍👍
and shenzhen as well
And HAINAN
And Bangkok and Dubai
I am from Shanghai, so Hong kong, thanks a lot for your participation in making Shanghai better
基本法23條不被通過卻要求實現雙普選，真扯
崔曉浚 看45条，只有这里提到了普选
Stephen The Goat 我的意思是真想要普选先搞好爱国主义教育，一边嚷嚷着要普选，一边却不通过反国家分裂的法律，国家怎么可能给这个权利呢？同时45条里提到的普选是有前提的，权利与义务是对等的，一味只要权利却不承担义务本身就是没法实现的事情
崔曉浚 我的意思是根本没提到“承诺普选”
崔曉浚 你说的很对，大赞👍🏻
have this man be well educated? he is totally nonlogical.
bbc主持人讓楊岳橋露出了尷尬又不失醜惡的笑容
Yan Hong 自信滿滿咁去接受BBC採訪，點知啲問題一個刁鑽過一個，楊岳橋好快俾佢問到口啞啞，淨係識得不斷重複前面幾個point，冇啲準備
@@ivanwong1373 哈哈，逼得他不断地回避问题，偷换概念
英国主持人以主人身份提问奴才，奴才巧妙回答，但是力不从心，主人奸诈地笑了。
keny pu 我觉得是 但是这不代表全部人 譬如日本政府对侵华历史的否认 而大部分的当代日本人也不承认 但是有很少部分的那个年代的人会选择承认
其实说白了，定位发生错误了。香港还是原来的香港，但大陆已经不是原来的大陆了
haojie tu 有水平
香港也不是原来的香港了
@@jingjinglu6965 当年逃到香港的那群大陆文化经济人才死后，香港就被打回原型了。。。金庸走了，黄霑早走了。。。
@@user-qm8in8mn8w还有一个，最反共的一个人没死，倪匡。
诚如你所言
好掛住楊岳橋議員 🙇🏼♀️🙇🏼♀️天佑義人🙏🏻🙏🏻
有什么好掛呢，人家正在渡过精彩人生，担心一自己更重要，
this man has never been shanghai before。 that is truth
He studies in Peking FYI
I almost give up on watching BBC news until this! Well done Sean!
thyon ming fee gray me too
same
今次BBC少有政治中立 balance 到兩邊 無偏向任何一個人發言 非常專業
Kayan lee 这个香港议员说基本法有普选是扯谎。
xiao yafu 你先看看基本法45和68條再來說說
@@conan870 “第四十五條
香港特別行政區行政長官在當地通過選舉或協商產生，由中央人民政府任命。
行政長官的產生辦法根據香港特別行政區的實際情況和循序漸進的原則而規定，最終達至由一個有廣泛代表性的提名委員會按民主程序提名後普選產生的目標。
行政長官產生的具體辦法由附件一《香港特別行政區行政長官的產生辦法》規定。”
没有这个议员嘴巴里说的那种普选？17年给你“循序渐进”的普选你不要，那就“按实际情况”不给了。
@@danielwang5298這沒有港人治港啊
@@dawnasdfghjk 什么意思？
'Hongkong is a unique place'? Yes, it was. Yes, it is, but not anymore.
It is a unique fucking place
Does even this guy understand what his talking about??? Or can he please clearly answer any of the question that Shaun asked???
Very good interviewer, unbiased, sharp and knowledgeable. A rare sight from the BBC.
Rare sight?
@@winnxithepoo bbc used to bais to china
I gave up bbc. But this will change my mind (maybe). Good interview. Knife knife to the skin.
@@tawingp they do this interview is not without a cause
@@brityo7176 agree
Wake up, dude!!! It is obvious that England Daddy has rejected you all HK daydreamers!
HK mob was like “ no way! Please be my dad! Or I will be your dog!” 🙈
Funny when you were not in the frontline in the riot and understand all the thoughts of the young generation before you came into a conclusion that we are all daydreamers. And you definitely should truly pick a side by just listening to one dude rather than just came and interview millions of people.
cocky cookie The youngs are young. We may understand the tough life of the youngs, you can fight for you right. But you choose a wrong way, and the worst thing is worked with US. Do you really think that the westerns can and will help you? Do you really think one man one vote will help? Even what your fighting are the truths, do you think it will success? Too young too naive, don't be stupid, you may lost you life, you will regret for what you did eventually...
cocky cookie that dude understand the problem and situation that whether how many ppl on front line, the ending won’t change anyway cuz if China wants to end it, no one would help, not even us and uk.l
@@cockycookie9460 had you interviewed all of the people who live in Hongkong and Mailand China? If you are not then why we need to do that?
These two person make a mistake, "One country two system" is not prepare for HK, it was prepare for taiwan. Chinese government want to show it to taiwan by saying they both can be one country. If HK doesn't show successful it became better, instead it became worse. Then HK is useless. Beijing can replace HK anytime if they see HK is failure.
hk has already been replaced. its called shenzhen XD
This man just sounds like a “spoiled child “ who knows when they ask sugar by crying, parents will give what they want.
jiaxuan huang
He sounds like a man baby, wah wah wah wah, like a baby crying because he doesn't have his milk. So sad to see my fellow Chinese people in HK so brainwashed so easily by HK media propaganda & western media propaganda. So sad, yet makes me so angry when I see them attacking old HK people. These people have absolutely no shame at all.
這個主持人倒是十分中立，難得
“ 行政長官的產生辦法根據香港特別行政區的實際情況和循序漸進的原則而規定，最終達至由一個有廣泛代表性的提名委員會按民主程序提名後普選產生的目標”
写的一清二楚，由提名委员会提名后普选产生。偏偏不说这《基本法》第45条
尤其是當他說英國從來沒有給過香港人民主選舉時，楊的回應顯得結結巴巴了
啱聽就中立，唔啱聽就屌
问得很尖锐，显示主持人了解情况比较透彻；而答的差一些，可能不想说透，还是本身想得不到位？
他當然不會回答對自己不利的發言
The question is why don't u ask for democracy before 1997 under Uk
*smile*
smile
They were just slaves before 1997.
cuz they know clearly that slaves don't deserve democracy.
@@MMFZF nice！！！
Joke of the year: Shanghai can’t replace HK 🤣
HK is now the 9th richest city in China so I don't get where that's coming from lol
You know it’s evil, when you use the lives of other people to advance your own interest
主持人提到了英国脱欧，美国川普的态度，所以核心意思是，如果中国中央政府决定出手香港，没有任何国家敢出面干预
中国内政问题，谁敢干预？就建立香港直辖市就行了。
想干预先摸摸自己口袋里的银子再说话
@@secbingo8290 太客气了，直接并入广东省里。还一国两制？给他们机会没把握啊
chao zhang 我们广东不想要那些废青
Before watching the video, I thought the interview was going to be biased where the interviewer would agree with everything Mr. Yeung had to say. It's actually the opposite and I have so much respect for Sean. He did his research on the matter and he knows when facts are being manipulated. Well-done and thank you BBC for this!!
BBC在中国和黄丝之间，选了一个不那么棘手的而已。不必感恩戴德。
Alvin: And the most important is we need the rule of laws.
Wtf, he just slapped his own face when riots are breaking the rule of laws at first place.
he said 5 demands, then totally left out the demands like release all protesters who broke the law. LOL
3:48 最精彩的部分。
是的😂
这是我第一次给BBC点赞，西方媒体来个了急弯，我有点不适应。对主持人的学识表示赞赏。
馬也 因为英国经历过太多类似的游行暴动，还有独立运动，BBC参与的深度广度更是显而易见的，他们可以理解这种行为有多幼稚，内心深处对此也是很排斥的，更重要的是，他们不能鼓励国内的年轻人这样做。他们并没有偏向中国，只是深受其害。
因为香港经济影响了英国的经济 所以bbc才改变了立场 不信你可以看看1个月之前的报道
The BBC host: You are asking for what you are never given by the British.
Alvin Yeung😨: What am I doing Why am I here 港英时期港督都是英国排出的，英国人处处像主人，连阿三都因为跟英国人当奴才早，可以欺负香港人，香港人妥妥的三等公民-------------哪来的民主？港独真是贱货！！
其实香港回归期间，英国其实不想做那么多的有害的事情的。但是背后代表的是北约的意志。不得不做。
@@yvonnezz6403 滑稽
这个视频我理解的意思是，英国政府对中国政府说：我不是，我没有，他们乱说。
First time the BBC have shown some impartiality, wonder how Stephen Sackur would have handled it - there is still some hope!!
一个美国人在劝中国人你要爱中国自己的国家、
我在东京峰 英国人
是英国人啦！
"Those youngsters are no longer listening, not listening to Carrie Lam, and not listening to people like you either", woh...what an amazing criticism reflecting the real situation...well done, BBC!
Why should we listen to authority but not having our own thoughts? Listening only works when opinions comes into consensus and listeners agrees that there is actually a real and fair solution for the problems
cocky cookie you could have your own thoughts, without violating others’ freedom, threatening others’ lives. See what happened today in the airport. It’s crime. Do think a second the justice won’t come to crime committed by crowds.
Lol British even never gave HK that privilege in the previous days even it was written in the law well HK ask Chinese government to give them this law cause they wanna to pursue the democracy and freedom in HK. That is hallirous.
Hong Kongers are just the British-trained lackeys....
Listen to the questions, Alvin! You are keeping avoiding questions by throwing your points without logic answers!
楊議員，一開始，你怎麼不把另外5大訴求的其他幾個說出來？你不是說合理嗎？怎麼一开始不说清楚？
因为他的论点建立在“Rule of law"上，讲另外几个诉求不就是打脸吗？
当时候你英爹统治的时候，怎么没那么多狗屁诉求，你亲爹来了，反而嫌弃这嫌弃那的，
你们香港最大的毛病就是当舔狗当习惯了，突然你亲爹跟你说：孩子，站起来，别舔了。
腰是挺直了，开始想让你亲爹舔你，你特么的还想的嫖娼了，你特么真的学坏了，好的你不学，学特么这事，你觉得你爹能同意吗？
@@haowu6749 对啊，第二个诉求尤其不能讲，直接要求释放被逮捕的人已经是生生在"rule of law“坟头蹦迪的操作了，说出来简直自掘坟墓
其实我也不清楚BBC主持人知不知道五大诉求。如果知道并问杨议员关于诉求的问题，估计肯定答不上来
This interview is probably the first time I agree with BBC news on this issue.
Same here
@@blesseuan finally someone is aking the damn right question
Me too
Me， too.
As a Chinese people who lived in the UK, I can't believe that BBC will give any truth about Hong Kong as they did in any other countrit, but this time this dude spoke the truth to the world also to the Hong Kong guy, : the right you asked British government never give you why China government need to do that? Dad abandon the Disappointing ex-Son.
Yang: HongKong is a unique place to China, we are the only international financial centre in China.
China: Okay...I will build ten more please...
2333333
Obviously after this so-called protest, Hongkong will lose his so-called international position forever.
SR Media Yup, 10 more failed cities!
No Name you mad that we can build cities while most of western cities are falling apart
@@user-kc5iw1sx1e Yes, very unique. All of them are destroyers. It depends this point, Shanghai of course cannot instead of you.
The reason why Beijing does not have any action is because “look！ that was so call the democracy and freedom！lol”
"Shanghai won't replace HK."
This guy problably forgot Shenzhen...
本来上海深圳还真取代不了，经过这几个月，感觉过不了多久就能取代香港了
@@jonathanouyang4219 没错，香港如果团结一致，好好发展，确实内地城市很难取代。但是自己作死，就没有办法了，资本是长脚的。
Let's say when British rule HK for 156 years. There is no Universal Suffrage. Everything is one man, one vote and rule the colony HK. British was smart to let a few elite to control HK public housing, HSBC control the financial industry of HK, Those elite has feed those gangster to help them control the society of HK. The British only interests is bring Revenue back to London. HK was just lucky during the 90s through early 21st century because HK was a stepping stone for foreign Companies to do business in China. That was why HK prosperity during that period.
楊岳橋 you only knows how to complaint, but has no solution to resolve the HK today's problem. I challenge you to come up with new ideas to improve HK economy.
M Chung
, I couldn't agree more. This legislator Yeung is a Moron, making some claims coming from nowhere.
@@williectk7944 Indeed a moron, I will never vote this ignorant
thanks for your sharing, totally agree
Hong Kong is not without opportunities, but misses too many opportunities. In 1999, Tung Chee-hwa proposed the "Digital Cyberport" project to develop Internet technology. We stood at that node and overlooked the world. Google was just born in a private garage in California. It is far from being listed. The shadow of Facebook and Twitter is still unknown. The domestic Ali and Tencent are also small gangs of 10 people. Ma Yun is not a "dad", it is just a ugly young man. At that time, Hong Kong, software, technology, talent, capital, which aspect can not kill the mainland?As a result, the Internet was not done, and the Cyberport was turned into real estate development. Later, Dong proposed the "Dangang" plan. Zhang Yijing, who came out of TSMC, wanted to make chip manufacturing in Hong Kong. The people of Hong Kong resolutely opposed it by "speculating the land and speculating the price of the property" and engaged in a parade. As a result, Shanghai invited Zhang Yujing to take a SMIC in Shanghai. It is now the largest chip manufacturer in China and the fourth in the world. Later, Dong once again proposed the "Chinese Medicine Port" plan. Because Hong Kong has a deep scientific research system, as well as a large number of biological researchers, the most important is the quality inspection system recognized by the whole world. This is the combination of production, education and research. However, again because of the short-sightedness of capital, it has not been done. As a result, the Huada Gene appeared in Shenzhen across the river, and it has become a world-class genetic and biological research enterprise. From 1999 to 2005, if Hong Kong seizes these three opportunities, Hong Kong is the Asian Internet center, chip manufacturing center and biological research center.
Alex Hu 問得好
1、爲什麽bbc突然改變風格？
①. Boris要脫歐，缺的是夥伴，是市場，他需要找方法回復脫歐后的經濟，中國是不可或缺的貿易夥伴；
②. Boris更相信美國，脫歐需要美國的支持，目前trump對香港的評價也變成了: it's up to China to deal with Hong Kong 'riots',注意是riots!
True
這才是關鍵. 各自都是為了自己的利益！
谁看得起狗呢？
为了自己国家的利益，杀一只自己的狗，有何不可？
可惜不谙世事的后生仔们以为拥有了民主就掌握了真理，实际上看不清自身看不清现实。抛头颅洒热血感动自己，吃里扒外沦为棋子
Sean , now you have my support. You are a great news host and a true , unbiased professional.
“I can never blame the youngsters” that cracked me up
I am truly surprise that I could hear the truth from a western media. Well done!
so stupid
TRUTH？Are u kidding me？？
The truth is only a part of the 'half story', don't be fooled
I’m so sorry that I hadn’t watched the whole video before making a comment, so sorry.
at least this host have no bias. He speak truth which is never heard from west media.
3:53 全片精髓～好似表白時，被女神當眾拒絕後嘅表情。那種演不出來，屬於心裏最尷尬無言以對的表情😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@user-bossboy 嘴臭的臭弟弟。嘻嘻嘻
@@user-bossboy 表達能力好有何用？整個視頻邏輯是亂的，論據是毫無說服力的！你看，這15秒內，眨了過百次眼睛，不斷對準攝像頭放電😂那是嚴重心虛的表現啊😂😂😂
他就是个小丑
笑容逐渐消失
七夕這一天我看到了這一條信息。。。笑死了
Finally a sensible foreign journalist discuss real politics.
Article 45 of the basic law says
The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government.[1] ”
“ The method for selecting the Chief Executive shall be specified in the light of the actual situation in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and in accordance with the principle of gradual and orderly progress. The ultimate aim is the selection of the Chief Executive by universal suffrage upon nomination by a broadly representative nominating committee in accordance with democratic procedures.
Which part of the English sentence do you not understand Alvin? Chief executive is to be nominated by central people Govt......
WOW！The BBC Hardtalk was really a "hard talk"' to 议员先生.
The host is very professional, he has an independant stand.
Of the five demands, I only care about two. The first is to extradite criminals and the second is to implement double suffrage. The extradition rules are intended to prevent Hong Kong from becoming a haven for criminals, with the man who killed his girlfriend in Taiwan still at large. In other words, why do ordinary law-abiding citizens fear extradition? Therefore, the first appeal is a complete nonsense, the harm to countless families. Second, double universal suffrage. Think about it. Would trump allow a state in the United States to adopt socialism? It is the confrontation of systems, ideologies and great powers. China has allowed Hong Kong's current democracy to be very humane. Are you asking the us to try one country, two systems? An America that abuses its national security and treats you like snowden and removes you from the face of the earth. Hypocritical democracy, inefficiency and social rifts. Is this the democracy you want? You can scold your national leaders, you can also scold your parents, which is your freedom, but our Chinese culture is unity, harmony and diligence. Freedom of speech does not mean real freedom. Real freedom means that people live and work in peace, without violence, without crime, without discrimination. History will prove who is right, I only know the future in China!
I am so gonna share this on Facebook, hahahaha... It is good to see BBC still have sharp reporters.
主持人一針見血, 句句到肉.
這的確是一場高水平對話! (主持人)
同意，但梁天琦既政治主張會更適合解答主持人
BBC的問題非常尖銳,但梁議員在問題的回答上顯得非常幼稚無力,且很多觀點都站不住腳,香港還是那個香港,但大陸真的不是以前那個大陸了,這是事實,但很多香港人就受不了這個事實！
@@user-sq7jj8li1h 梁天琦係新東普選辯論 以強而有力既言論展現自己既立場，光復香港 時代革命 亦係佢口號， 所以咁多年輕人撐佢，絕對唔係 回答站不住腳既證據
看了这个视频，我对BBC的印象变了，里面真的有大师
zhenqiang ruan 为了以后说谎打基础
欧陆搅屎棍，摸鱼数百年，大不列颠名不虚传好吗
bbc不是个好东西，别想的太美好
每個國家、地方都有正直、無私的人，還有卑鄙、自私的人。
@Someone Special Yea, you go ahead
楊岳橋與民建聯周浩鼎多次交手，便可以看出， 楊岳橋是一位優秀的政治人材， 👍👍
This guy had nothing but an embarrassment on his face when told Hong Kong never had "freedom" from the British.
楊有種見岳父的緊張，他是有多期望得到養父的認同。回頭看看他面對港府的表現，活生生的好似那些殖民時候的大班。
奴性基因
是嗎？感覺是看到主子
類似的情況發生過在鄭經翰，梁家傑身上
香港人确实是缺乏主权意识，殖民地时期的他们既自卑又骄傲，看看港产片就知，好多专怼洋人的片段，但又有好多专贬大陆人的片段，老实说大陆很多人没意识到一百年的殖民对香港人有多深的改造。但有一样没变的，他们身上的缺点还是和中国人一样的，那种为自身利益不惜绑架和伤害旁人的恶劣手段，但他们缺乏中国人身上团结的民族主义精神。
看见主子了，然后身体里面的奴性基因自然就出来了
我都要笑死了😂
"I can never blame younsters, they are the future ...". This is totally wrong. Right is right, wrong is wrong. It has nothing to do with age.
@@brityo7176 nobody knows the situation more than hongkongers. We all are very clear that the extradition bill will impair our legal system.
@Masked Singer Do you know how terrible the legal system of China is?
@Masked Singer you can do some research about this
They can only use the younsters to create riots, because the adults are more rational and they can hardly brainwash them.
His generation protested in 2000s as students. New breed of students are still rioting in 2019. So of course. He doesn’t blame them. He has infiltrated the system and supporting the students.
我看完这个视频，我终于明白香港人是怎么想的了，就这人还是高层能上bbc对话的.....笑死我了“香港是中国唯一的国际金融中心，北京离开了香港不行”，哈哈哈哈哈这是生活在清朝吗
香港去年都已经第四了，上海，北京，深圳，香港。但人均还是第一，但贫富差距太大，没有参考价值。
Well done BBC.... The is real journalism, asking tough questions and presenting the truth. This is what standing for human rights really mean, protecting the truth and not let politician manipulate to push narrative that are lies. Bravo Shaun Ley.
Alvin, are you delusional? How does demanding rioters that breaks the law be not accountable when you tell the audience you are fighting to preserve the rule of laws in HK?
拿着现在年轻人的未来赚取现在你的钱和目的 真无耻啊
The host: You are asking for what you are never given by the British.
Alvin Yeung😨: What am I doing Why am I here
Jay Altes Is the right statement. They just ask now when China now take over.
😂
this is a very ignorant question. The British never gave HK universal suffrage because China didn't allow it. This is unveiled in recent's The National Archives in UK. British freed every colonies' autonomy during 1st or 2nd world war because it was costly for them to fully monitor all colonies, but only HK was an exception. China's former premier, Mr. 周恩來 warned China would take over HK immediately if British was to give HK universal suffrage in the fear that China would be affected. This is the fact.
@@stussyclie stop lying
@@stussyclie don't invent history.
being arrogant & narcissistic has no place in the future of HK or China. this is a failed politician talking.
Thank you, Shaun Ley! You spoke the truth!
That was an amazing, truly unbiased interview, good job bbc... finally
我也讚頌一下主持人,他說的才是人話
连BBC主持人都知道编不下去,稍微问正常问题,那家伙满脸尴尬 哈哈哈
英国人说的很明确了，英国脱欧了，需要新的朋友，中国明显是最大的一个大腿；特朗普那张大嘴也都不敢对中国内政说三道四（前几天被采访时他说了，这是中国内政，北京会自己处理好的）。一个是十三亿人的巨大市场，一个是弹丸之地几百万人所谓的“权利”，十岁的小孩子都会做这道选择题。只有香港废青甘愿当政治的炮灰
希望內地的同胞們，念過書的，去看看什麼是路西法效應。世界上現是最強大/已發展的過家都是民主國家，獨裁國家如北韓，飢餓指數是最高的。沒錯，中國的發展近年很快，我也同意以前中國是不應該有民主的，但是現在，已經到了一個適合發展民主的階段，民主會是一個國家最終強大的基礎，他防止了一權獨大，權力令人腐化。既得利益者只會繼續令用獨裁得更大的利益，看看幾千年中國合久必分，正反映了獨裁的壞處。雖然民主會令某止政策上拖慢，但亦是重大保險防止國家被小部分人為了利益而破壞。你們可以不去爭取，但別評論香港人在做對的事。你試想想，如果是民主國家，這場示威早就完結，政府早就妥協。正就反映了沒有民主的最壞處，你可以不相信，但總有一天，如果沒有民主中國也會面對，因為既得利益者永遠只佔少數。
@@user-ot3vd4jt2e 荷兰,西班牙,英国,美国,中国, 世界强国顺序,其中真正民主有几个? 民主政权出现才几年? 中共党员9000万, 14亿人口,意味着14个中就有一个是党员, 其中绝大部分还得是高中和大学优秀学子才可以入党. 民主是好东西,可是谁定义民主就必须是全民一人一票? 经过筛选 精英的一人一票就不是民主了吗? 现在西方民主彻底沦落为民粹, 上台政治人物都是 选秀明星, 能拉票数的政治明星, 可是他们真的懂得治理国家吗? 病人生病了要找专业的经验丰富的大夫,而不是在广场上投票选出一个人 这是亚里士多德说的
@@user-ot3vd4jt2e 你知不知道我们选村长是村民直选的，然后就是你一百我两百这么选出来的。。我不相信就中国开放民主后会更好，起码现在
1:22, 2:54 & 3:47 This host dear to ask sharp, deep and thoughtful questions. (Watch Yang's facial expression after received the question started from 3:47 .) BBC, well done! This is called journalism.
Great work BBC