+United States of Embarrassment Yeah, it's a shame I wasn't recruited as a tanker commander in a few of those wars. I could've done with good camping and spawn-camping, er, I mean't Life Camping (Shoot them in the womb)
German tanks in WW2 didn't have diesel engines, hence the reason the blew up so easily. From wiki: "The Maybach HL230 is a water-cooled 60° 23 liter V12 gasoline engine designed by Maybach. It was used during World War II in heavy German tanks, namely the Panther, Jagdpanther, Tiger II, Jagdtiger (HL230 P30), and later versions of the Tiger I and Sturmtiger (HL230 P45)."
@@hiddokramer Petrol and gasoline are actually the same thing - standard 4 stroke engine vehicle fuel - only defined with different words. These two words have the same meaning, with the only difference being the term 'petrol' is used in UK and most commonwealth (ex. Canada) countries and the word 'gasoline' in the USA. For britons, canadians, australians, etc. gasoline is actually a derivative of petroleum used for lamp oil (i.e., kerosene). To make thing more obscure and complicate, the americans often shorten their 'gasoline' car fuel as 'gas', a thing that for the rest of the world, is... a gas, while petrol/gasoline is a liquid. ;-) But for god's sake, never point out this or other weirdness to the yankees: they are quite sensitive about doing things 'the right way' even if the rest of the world does (or says) otherwise. :-)
As Ppa Strmpf said... Maybach HL P30........ I work for MTU Detroit Diesel (formally Maybach, Detroit and a few other companies), that ain't no diesel hahaha
That is not a Tiger-Engine. The two Tiger-Engine Maybach HL210P30 and HL230 had two L6 engine blocks and engine heads, one exhaust outlet per cylinder and were carburetted gasoline engines with 4 carburettors and throttle valves. This engine here has six L2 blocks, three per side and those blocks each share one exhaust outlet, the engine speed is governed at something, whis is not built into the air intake and suspiciously looking like a fuel injection pump, furthermore every cylinder is aspirated for itself via one of the twelve pipes, whereas in the Maybach Engines 4 cylinders have to share a carburettor and intake pipe. This engine has a lot of fuel piping whereas carburetted engines lack exactly that.
I had 2 of these engines in a 57 foot boat I built. They were called AIFO Carraro V12SS. They were twin turbocharged and aftercooled. Rated at 720 bhp at 1550 rpm Before I did the fitting out and with minimum fuel I topped out at 42 kts. Consumption was 60 imperial gallons per hour
Yeah, sounds right...thought I commented on this before, but much searching gave me an Italien marine Francetti? Don't recall exactly .. Yeah, no panzer engine, don't know why BS is so easy🤨😉
Which reminds me I must get my radio controlled Tiger II out of mothballs and give it a bit of grease and run it, hasnt seen daylight in four years, it fires BB shot and the cats hate it.........;-)
Just no roots blower scream !! they do make a sound of there own I have several old 2 stroke GMs out in my shop from a 4-53 to a 12 V 92 TTA fuel squeezer .
+Creedence18 Das war ja der entscheidende Vorteil der russischen Panzer , breitere Ketten , weniger Gewicht und vor allem robuste Dieselmotoren . Da konnten die deutschen Tigerpanzer nicht mithalten .
Der Tiger war recht gut gepanzert aber die Kühlung der Motoren erwies sich als Alptraum für die Besatzungen . Als der Tiger das erste Mal auf dem Kriegsschauplatz erschien begann bei den Alliierten das große Heulen - einfach aus dem Grund dass sie der 88mm Kanone nichts entgegenzusetzen hatten .
Take my word for it. It is a diesel, At about 2:25 I hear the man say Mercedes Benz Porsche Typ 205 / Tiger II(P) was powered Daimler-Benz MB 509 / 12-cylinder / 1080hp (V1) and also near the end of the war Daimler-Benz MB 517 Diesel / 12-cylinder / 1200hp (V2) BUT SAW LIMITED USE Early Tigers (first 25 were powered by Maybach HL 210 P30 engine, V-12 @ 600 hp Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp. Later Tigers were powered by Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp, and the Maybach HL 234 fuel-injected engine (900 hp)
Well I will take your word for it BUT AGAIN, NEVER EVER heard of any normal production Tiger 1 or King Tiger having any engine except a Maybach HL210 or 210 V12....................PETROL !!! ...................especially with anything more then 700HP.......................the " MAUS " was only tank that had a V12 Daimler Benz " DIESEL " engine............and only ONE was ever made................the other , only ONE , had a V12 Daimler Benz V12 " PETROL "...............anyway the Germans tried Diesel engines in NORMAL production for main battle tanks but seem to have no luck with them except in U-Boats or Airships or other prototype Equipment ( may have been One or Two Tigers, but not normal production tanks did, and that was one of their downfalls against the Russian T34
This 42,3 liters, liquid-cooled V 12 pre-chamber type Diesel engine was designed with a light alloy crankcase and capable to deliver 850 HP (625 kW) at 2300 RPM
This is a diesel engine. Maybach engines in Tiger 1 were HL 230 OP, fueled by petrol. Those engines never had a fuel injection system. Only in the Luftwaffe one could see fuel pipes on the engine.
Maybach actually made a diesel engine to be used in a Type III tank. It was not put in mass production. I believe there was only one test model. Diesels back then did not have the power you see in them today, and in winter they would not work without heating the fuel first. Also it would have meant to carry two types of fuel. A T34 switched off for the night would not start if the temperatures were well below freezing. They actually made fires under the tanks sometimes.
You do realize that the Germans didn't use not one single diesel engine in any there vehicles in ww2 lol they used gasoline engines because they didn't produce an adequate diesel at that time they mostly used German Mayback engines in all there armored vehicals do your research buddy... However the v12 part is correct actually only gasoline powered tho ....
The Junkers 86 twin engined bomber used diesel engines (Jumo 210 maybe?) which could have been adapted, big enough and powerful enough for any tank I should think.
There wasn't any German diesel with adequate power that could fit in any ww2 German tank design the junkers was also a radial engine which if u remember our Sherman used a radial engine which is why I looked funny high silhouette easy to hit easier to see German tanks however wasn't very good at hiding in the Normandy hedge rows... The Russians were using off the shelf parts for there vehicles in ww2 like the USA did anther reason we mass produced our tanks in such huge numbers where the German war machines were specifically engineered just for each separate application thus making it impossible to keep up with the allies kinda numbers in manufacture.....
Also that being said the Germans never used radial engines in there ground vehicles matter of fact even there tank parts from tigers Panthers and Panzer MARC 4's all wouldn't interchange they even used different maybach v12 petrol engines in each model tank there so hung up on engineering excellence they couldn't and still can't get passed that quality over quantity idea but if I were to choose my own Tank for Battle to this day or Fighter Jet I would go with German Made any day plus there genreal design just stands out to me as all around best....
that my friend is a diesel engine regardless of what it was put in, it is surely a diesel it has no throttle bodies to control air flow into the engine (which is how rpm is controlled on gas engines) it is easily seen to have diesel fuel injection pumps to inject the fuel. this is an old hydromechanical type diesel engine.
Im not sure but i belive many tanks red line around 1500-2500 rpm. They dont produce as much hp as you may guess either but have phenomenal tq numbers from very low in the range. This makes great sense as firstly low rpm means these engines will last, secondly is your doing cross country type driving and your trying to climb up a incline, ditch or obstacle you dont want to have to drop the clutch at high rpm to get a result as this would dramatically increase the odds of gear failure.
Yes this is true, german tanks motors was only petrol motors, average consumption at 100km was 500 litres in terrain. Soviet motor in T34 was diesel and have consumption ,,only,, 100-120 litres in terrain ...
It's not cooled right now, because they aren't running it for long, and the block can soak up quite a bit of heat. It has openings for water tubes though, which would either lead to a radiator or pump outside water through the engine if it's a marine engine.
You're right to a certain extent. This engine, being of the larger kind, has inline injection pumps found on the large diesel engines today, but the main differnece nowadays is diesels are common rail systems controlled by sensors and an ECU. If I'm correct, the common rail diesel was invented by an Italian firm just after WWII.
Sherman tanks(M4) were equipped from a radial engine to a multi bank to a dual bank diesel to an inline 6 diesel of US manufacture as well as Canadian and British engines. Russian engines were also fitted. This tank was designed to allow engines to removed and replaced at the depot level as a module as are all modern tanks so an engine swap to something of a differing design is not much of an issue.
It is definitely a diesel engine with 2 Bosch injection pumps. Clearly at 2:21 both pumps, then on the side of the left one the hand pump and below this a "Schnapsglas", containing a filter, fitted in a sort of glas to control by view the filter. We call it "schnapsglas": As spare part in a workshop, people used to drink schnaps in that.The HL230 was too weak. A 900 HP (1.200 HP Turbo) diesel engine has been developed at the end of WW2 for the tiger. I guess this is one of it we see her
No, they are usually a lot larger I think. Check out the video of the Hellcat restoration here on CZcams. The engine in that thing is pretty massive, and it's a fairly small tank destroyer.
Ajyn4Life That we know of, the germans produced many diesels and had many drafts on the drawing board. Fact is it may actually have been intended for a tiger, and considering most of the documentation from the heavy tank programs was destroyed by german engineers prior to defeat no one will ever know. Just because WOT doesn't tell you doesn't mean it's not something that may or may not have been planned, pro tip WOT never told you .....the ratte was originally intended to be powered by a confiscated dutch diesel producing 20+ k in horsepower, the idea was revised due to massive fuel consumption of the dutch engine.
I've never played world of tanks. I've just done a little research, and found no mention of diesel engines in a German tank, much less a tiger. using pure speculation to say it was intended for a tiger does not make it fact...
Ajyn4Life The germans planned on having tigers and panthers equipped with diesels, and from what I have read and traded documentation I have made note of that.
Indeed. Tiger 1 type E has Maybach HL 230 P45 V12 gasoline motor 600hp 23.880cc that uses 570 liters on road & 850 liters on field pro 100 km. Tiger 2 type B has Maybach HL 230 P 30 V12 gasoline motor also 600hp 23.880cc that uses 680 liters on road & 1000 liters on field also pro 100 km. They have such a Königstiger in Saumur France that still rides. I have met Mr. Maybach himself who helped making this possible & he confirmed it rides on gasoline.
correct. they had to be started every 2 to 4 hours to keep them warm. allies destroyed oil refineries. the need for oil was very trying in war time and supplies were limited. refined fuels were saved for airplanes, many of which ran on diesel also.
Looks like it has TWO Bosch P-series injection pumps.... same ones can be found on 12valve Cummins engines... Injector lines and spill lines... this is 100% a Diesel engine !
This engine probably came out of an E-boat, when the war ended the german crews had to sail their vessels to England where they were inturned. The coast was jamed with ships of all types. Many of the small vessels were sold and used as house boats. The engines were removed for living space. In the late 70s there was still an E-boat on the thames until the small dock was redeveloped as yet another ' luxury house development '
I'm interested too. Interesting construction details-siamesed cylinders with detachable heads, probably pushrods, air intakes below and exhaust up top, prechamber injection with a pump for each bank.
Hi Colin. I don think this is a Tiger engine. Its a 4-stroke diesel, have a close look at the fuel injectors at 2:40. Clear sounds of a low-revving 4 stoke diesel. The Tziger engines I have viewed were petrol engines which had a large center-V compressed intake chamber, inside-V aspiration. The one shown has inner-V exhaust. I may well be wrong thought!
They are also WW2 era Bosch (Daimler-Benz style) injection pumps, Its also missing its twin vertical shaft turbos.. its most likely a a K-M locomotive engine built after the war..
M4 Sherman 1942 had gasoline Engine, only Russians had diesel tank at that time. Only Russians! This was superiority of Russia to all other countries at that time! Germans had jet aircraft engines, this is cool. But Russia as a single, had diesel engines for a tank! Everyone who talks contrary - talks shit!
Well, in the German VDI definition (VDI = German Engineers Association), an Ottomotor has to have an external ignition, in opposite to a Diesel motor which is a self ignition motor. Otto was (among) the inventors of the 4 stroke cycle, but the Ottomotor, which was named in his honor refers to ignition ( mostly spark) motors. SO a diesel Motor can be 2 or 4 strokes and an Ottomotor can also be 2 or 4 strokes.
Yes, I hadn't thought of that. I suppose it just sounds like it's running high rpms because there's so many cylinders firing during every crankshaft rev. Also, I think the mic is a little distorted by the volume of the exhaust. It's probably very loud.
There wasn't a diesel tank engine that produced over 1200 hp until the current generation of tanks. I do believe that the British Challenger 1 was the first tank to have a DIESEL engine that powerful and it was introduced into service in 1983.
Two Diesel engines were in developement. Ohne was from MAN, two flat twin engines, one over the other with two crankshafts already running 24 cylinders and one from Simmering Graz Pauker inVienna. This was a W-engine, 4 rows of 6 cylinders acting on one crankshaft. This was just mounted on the testbed when the war ended.
Yes I know what glow plugs are for - however I assumed this to be the HL230, which of course is a gasoline engine and therefore took those fittings/wires to be of the spark - ignition type.
2:49 bottom of right screen looks like a spark plug but could be glow plug, has injectors like a diesel but maybe its for gas, never heard a diesel rev up that quick even the 2 stroke jimmy's. but blows black unburned fuel. this is really interesting.
I wrote that the Diesel gets to viscous and not frozen. That means, that at -22 normal Diesel is not liquid enaugh to be transports in the pipes. The WW2 Gasoline engines dident had significant problems with cold, even the Airplane engines worked fine at -40°and below at 8000m altitude.
back here in the Midwest when hot rod tractors were all the rage in the 80s I seen one with a tank engine in it german tanks were diesel and the allies were gas and the allies tanks blew up easy from gas
Keep in mind that the American M4 Shermans ran radial engines that were gasoline-powered (pretty much nearly the same engine as an old aircraft radial)... The M26 Pershing had a Ford GAF gasoline V8, which was a variant of the Ford GAA engine that was also used in later variants of the Sherman... The Soviet BT-7 had a gasoline engine, as well as the T-28. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just letting you know that not just Germany used tanks that had gasoline engines.
In the Second World War, Germany had no diesel for a tank, they tried to repeat (copy) the Russian B-2, but they could not! For information, the V-2 engine was aluminum, the cylinder block and the head! Developed in the years 1931-1939!
There is a injector pump on the front of the engine, there are no spark plugs or distributors... It's definately a diesel V12, my Cummins will rev that fast with no transmission or clutch to rotate... It's all about the rotating masses... Sounds great, definately not a two stroke since two stroke diesels need superchargers to run ;)
As did some American tanks, notably some Sherman versions with Detroit 2-stroke diesel engines. All WWII German tanks used petrol (gas, for you US folks) engines. Some German WWII trucks (and basically all German tractors) had diesel engines, but that was more or less it. The vast majority of the German army was petrol engine powered.
Yes. go to google images and type in Isotta Fraschini diesel. the first image you will see is Isotta Fraschini Strumpshaw 2004. It may even be the same engine in this video. There are a couple of videos showing it running without stacks. Nothing that says this engine was built in the 1940s and there is no reason to think diesels were ever used in german tanks. The only diesels proposed for Panther were Daimler Benz and their tank was not ordered. The Maybach HL210 was already in production.
And then we have the Panther/Panzerkampfwagen V/SdKFZ 171 . The Panther also had a Maybach V12 engine just like the other German Panzerkampfwagen , and it was the Maybach HL230P30/700HP . The different versions of the Skoda panzers (LT-38) used by the Germans did also used gasoline engines , the 6cyl./125HP Praga EPA .
One of my hobbies are information about old engines from MMB, Maybach, Daimler, Benz, Daimler Benz, mtu and related companies. If you compare the engine in the video to Maybachs and Mercedes from that era, the main difference lies in the building technology. And the injection pumps was normaly mounted longitudinal. Even most the east european knok-ofs after the war was using this way to mount the pumps.
the sound is typical to diesel engine, there is many good reasons to use a diesel engine, first the relative safety of diesel fuel in comparison to gazoline, the operating reliability of a diesel ( if there is fuel, the engine runs)and ability of a diesel engine to operate at a continuous high torque environnement
Not even logistics but just natural resources. They were obliged to make and use synthetic gas to run their fleet. That's why they tried to conquier North Africa fast fast... They had no mineral resources for steel so they tried the same in northern countries next to them. The point was just resources. that's the key of all war.
American Tank M48 Patton build since 1952 with Gasoline Engine. And first in 1959, M60 Patton with Diesel Engine. And Russians had T-34 in 1940 with diesel!
I agree, definitely does not sound like a diesel, very fast throttle response and all that, but it sure looks like a diesel. Also... It says it's a diesel in the description. Also really doubt it's from a Tiger or even Tiger II, looks post-WW2.
Wow those tank engines in future wars are very similar to the ones used in WW2 ;). Seriously though, awesome video. Amazing that thing still runs that good!
WW 11? Wow, I must have missed a few world wars
+United States of Embarrassment lol
+United States of Embarrassment Yeah, it's a shame I wasn't recruited as a tanker commander in a few of those wars. I could've done with good camping and spawn-camping, er, I mean't Life Camping (Shoot them in the womb)
+United States of Embarrassment ...... the SCAR STRANGLED BANGER
Air Port lol
I thought when i saw ww11in the title i think of the Mercedes w11 formula car😅😅
Only one little problem: The Tiger I's Maybach HL210 and HL230 engines were all petrol engines, not diesel.
jocking3 The Germans called the the sherman tanks "the American cooker" or "Tommy cooker" because they were petrol and went up in flames when hit.
***** So? I said that the german tanks used petrol. And as you said, the american ones too. Only the russians used diesel engines in tanks.
So? The Germans were no better off.
***** omg dude you are so off topic
How? The tanks ran on petrol. The germans thought theres were superior but still ran on petrol. They all cook.Why so sensitive ya bunch of babies?
Tiger Tank is King of Tanks WWII...
Залупа твой тигр. Т 34 best of ze best
Everyone knows that the best tank of ww2 was zis 30
Василий Алибабаич that’s why the tiger tank could blow one up with one shell lamo
With the t34 and the tiger 1 it's really who gets the first shot
Soviet Crab yeah but the t 34 shells didn’t pack that much of a punch they would just bounce off the armour
2:30 The good old "Varta Volkssturm" battery
That sounds mean. Love it. I think I need one of these engines in my shed....
German tanks in WW2 didn't have diesel engines, hence the reason the blew up so easily. From wiki: "The Maybach HL230 is a water-cooled 60° 23 liter V12 gasoline engine designed by Maybach. It was used during World War II in heavy German tanks, namely the Panther, Jagdpanther, Tiger II, Jagdtiger (HL230 P30), and later versions of the Tiger I and Sturmtiger (HL230 P45)."
the tigers had a petrol engine.
They used some diesel engines
@@hiddokramer Petrol and gasoline are actually the same thing - standard 4 stroke engine vehicle fuel - only defined with different words. These two words have the same meaning, with the only difference being the term 'petrol' is used in UK and most commonwealth (ex. Canada) countries and the word 'gasoline' in the USA.
For britons, canadians, australians, etc. gasoline is actually a derivative of petroleum used for lamp oil (i.e., kerosene).
To make thing more obscure and complicate, the americans often shorten their 'gasoline' car fuel as 'gas', a thing that for the rest of the world, is... a gas, while petrol/gasoline is a liquid. ;-)
But for god's sake, never point out this or other weirdness to the yankees: they are quite sensitive about doing things 'the right way' even if the rest of the world does (or says) otherwise. :-)
TIGERS RAN ON PETROL!! NOT DIESEL!!
wrong
Maybach Engine
John McCrank it was a petrol
Christian Andersson Yep, Ottomotor=Petrol
There was a couple of them fitted with diesel onces and they never went mass production
If it's diesel it isn't from a Tiger.
Maybach HL 230 P30 V12 was a PETROL engine.
PpaStrmpf Yes. Tiger tanks didn't have diesel engines.
As Ppa Strmpf said... Maybach HL P30........ I work for MTU Detroit Diesel (formally Maybach, Detroit and a few other companies), that ain't no diesel hahaha
MTU makes perfect engines.
haha, thanks, we do what we can
That is not a Tiger-Engine. The two Tiger-Engine Maybach HL210P30 and HL230 had two L6 engine blocks and engine heads, one exhaust outlet per cylinder and were carburetted gasoline engines with 4 carburettors and throttle valves. This engine here has six L2 blocks, three per side and those blocks each share one exhaust outlet, the engine speed is governed at something, whis is not built into the air intake and suspiciously looking like a fuel injection pump, furthermore every cylinder is aspirated for itself via one of the twelve pipes, whereas in the Maybach Engines 4 cylinders have to share a carburettor and intake pipe. This engine has a lot of fuel piping whereas carburetted engines lack exactly that.
I had 2 of these engines in a 57 foot boat I built. They were called AIFO Carraro V12SS. They were twin turbocharged and aftercooled. Rated at 720 bhp at 1550 rpm Before I did the fitting out and with minimum fuel I topped out at 42 kts. Consumption was 60 imperial gallons per hour
Yeah, sounds right...thought I commented on this before, but much searching gave me an Italien marine Francetti? Don't recall exactly ..
Yeah, no panzer engine, don't know why BS is so easy🤨😉
German engineering and technology was good. The worst german mistake was to challenge more enemies than they could cope with
Very clean running engine especially for the age of it. Wish my cruiser sounded and went like that.
Which reminds me I must get my radio controlled Tiger II out of mothballs and give it a bit of grease and run it, hasnt seen daylight in four years, it fires BB shot and the cats hate it.........;-)
Just no roots blower scream !! they do make a sound of there own I have several old 2 stroke GMs out in my shop from a 4-53 to a 12 V 92 TTA fuel squeezer .
Super silnik, ciekaw jestem czy zmieścił bym go do swojego Iveco Eurostara. Robi wrażenie jak szybko się wkręca na obroty
runs good as new! Im proud to own a 1984 diesel 300D Mercedes
and it still runs strong today
German Engineering = #1
Benzinverschwender - der Tiger hat niemals einen Dieselmotor gehabt .
+Harald Gundersson experimental engine.
+Creedence18 Das war ja der entscheidende Vorteil der russischen Panzer , breitere Ketten , weniger Gewicht und vor allem robuste Dieselmotoren . Da konnten die deutschen Tigerpanzer nicht mithalten .
+Harald Gundersson Dafür hat es an der Panzerung gemangelt, geplatzt wie Luftballons sind die.
Der Tiger war recht gut gepanzert aber die Kühlung der Motoren erwies sich als Alptraum für die Besatzungen . Als der Tiger das erste Mal auf dem Kriegsschauplatz erschien begann bei den Alliierten das große Heulen - einfach aus dem Grund dass sie der 88mm Kanone nichts entgegenzusetzen hatten .
Das sieht man doch an den Abgasen bei Dieselmotoren sind sie schwarz bei benzinern sind sie bläulich
Take my word for it. It is a diesel, At about 2:25 I hear the man say Mercedes Benz
Porsche Typ 205 / Tiger II(P) was powered Daimler-Benz MB 509 / 12-cylinder / 1080hp (V1) and also near the end of the war
Daimler-Benz MB 517 Diesel / 12-cylinder / 1200hp (V2)
BUT SAW LIMITED USE
Early Tigers (first 25 were powered by Maybach HL 210 P30 engine, V-12 @ 600 hp Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp.
Later Tigers were powered by Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp, and the Maybach HL 234 fuel-injected engine (900 hp)
Well I will take your word for it BUT AGAIN, NEVER EVER heard of any normal production Tiger 1 or King Tiger having any engine except a Maybach HL210 or 210 V12....................PETROL !!!
...................especially with anything more then 700HP.......................the " MAUS " was only tank that had a V12 Daimler Benz " DIESEL " engine............and only ONE was ever made................the other , only ONE , had a V12 Daimler Benz V12 " PETROL "...............anyway the Germans tried Diesel engines in NORMAL production for main battle tanks but seem to have no luck with them except in U-Boats or Airships or other prototype Equipment ( may have been One or Two Tigers, but not normal production tanks did, and that was one of their downfalls against the Russian T34
This 42,3 liters, liquid-cooled V 12 pre-chamber type Diesel engine was designed with a light alloy crankcase and capable to deliver 850 HP (625 kW) at 2300 RPM
But i doubt if it ever saw a Tiger.
This is a diesel engine. Maybach engines in Tiger 1 were HL 230 OP, fueled by petrol. Those engines never had a fuel injection system. Only in the Luftwaffe one could see fuel pipes on the engine.
На "Тигр" ставили два типа двигателя: HL-210P-30 и HL-230P-45 производства Maybach и Auto Union.
Оба двигателя были БЕНЗИНОВЫМИ! И никаких дизелей.
А от чего этот двигатель?
that thing is badass. the way it revs up like that seems impressive for an old diesel
Impressionante como acelera rápido!!! Sobe de giro bonito!!!
OMG open pipes!! Heaven for petrol-heads.
Not a petrol engine.
Then its not out of a tiger the Maybach engines ran on Gasoline.
i think its panther engine or maybe fucking US tank
WW 11 ? When was that holy shit
lucky guy, you missed 9 world wars. The 7th was he worst I think ;)
WW11 is sooo big they skipped 9 numbers just to describe it!!!
A nice snarl. The Germans kept that sound for their Leo I & II. You can "feel" the engines before you see the tank.
The Germans NEVER used those engines.
We only used petrol engines in WW2.
But it's WW11... nah just kidding XD
Maybach actually made a diesel engine to be used in a Type III tank. It was not put in mass production. I believe there was only one test model.
Diesels back then did not have the power you see in them today, and in winter they would not work without heating the fuel first. Also it would have meant to carry two types of fuel.
A T34 switched off for the night would not start if the temperatures were well below freezing. They actually made fires under the tanks sometimes.
You do realize that the Germans didn't use not one single diesel engine in any there vehicles in ww2 lol they used gasoline engines because they didn't produce an adequate diesel at that time they mostly used German Mayback engines in all there armored vehicals do your research buddy... However the v12 part is correct actually only gasoline powered tho ....
The Junkers 86 twin engined bomber used diesel engines (Jumo 210 maybe?) which could have been adapted, big enough and powerful enough for any tank I should think.
There wasn't any German diesel with adequate power that could fit in any ww2 German tank design the junkers was also a radial engine which if u remember our Sherman used a radial engine which is why I looked funny high silhouette easy to hit easier to see German tanks however wasn't very good at hiding in the Normandy hedge rows... The Russians were using off the shelf parts for there vehicles in ww2 like the USA did anther reason we mass produced our tanks in such huge numbers where the German war machines were specifically engineered just for each separate application thus making it impossible to keep up with the allies kinda numbers in manufacture.....
Also that being said the Germans never used radial engines in there ground vehicles matter of fact even there tank parts from tigers Panthers and Panzer MARC 4's all wouldn't interchange they even used different maybach v12 petrol engines in each model tank there so hung up on engineering excellence they couldn't and still can't get passed that quality over quantity idea but if I were to choose my own Tank for Battle to this day or Fighter Jet I would go with German Made any day plus there genreal design just stands out to me as all around best....
that my friend is a diesel engine regardless of what it was put in, it is surely a diesel it has no throttle bodies to control air flow into the engine (which is how rpm is controlled on gas engines) it is easily seen to have diesel fuel injection pumps to inject the fuel. this is an old hydromechanical type diesel engine.
didnt have any adequate diesel? lol .... bullshit
Sounds great!
I'm confused. the Russians used diesel but not the Germans so what's this engine from. throttle response is incredible though and sounds awesome
Title says tiger.
The title is mistaken. Tiger Tanks were petrol NOT diesel. Google it.
+1100HondaCB I know
+1100HondaCB maybe its the tiger2 slh engine ?
offroad Riderz I am sure even Tiger II tanks were petrol.
Im not sure but i belive many tanks red line around 1500-2500 rpm. They dont produce as much hp as you may guess either but have phenomenal tq numbers from very low in the range. This makes great sense as firstly low rpm means these engines will last, secondly is your doing cross country type driving and your trying to climb up a incline, ditch or obstacle you dont want to have to drop the clutch at high rpm to get a result as this would dramatically increase the odds of gear failure.
How many modern engines would sound as good as that 60 years or so later
Yes this is true, german tanks motors was only petrol motors, average consumption at 100km was 500 litres in terrain. Soviet motor in T34 was diesel and have consumption ,,only,, 100-120 litres in terrain ...
I see an engine that isn't long for this world. Keep playing with it without any coolant...
Agree no treatment for a good engine.
no longer than they let it run at a time, lack of coolant isn't as much of issue to me as it seeming to have no air filtration going on there.
Grant Sturdivant
You won't get a cracked or warped head from lack of an air filter.
hoipolloi890 Did you see the oil leakage under the left rear cylinder head ???.
I think the damage is already done.
Thank you, and I doubt this is the first and only time they did this.
Just a solid beautiful running engine hard to believe built 70 years ago
its not from a tiger and not from any other german tank.
Boat maybe?
Thomas, the tank engine!
(It should be Tomas)
mike higgins
Not in English.. He's Thomas to us, and as he was English of origin, this would be the correct spelling.
leuvenlife I stand corrected.
It's not cooled right now, because they aren't running it for long, and the block can soak up quite a bit of heat. It has openings for water tubes though, which would either lead to a radiator or pump outside water through the engine if it's a marine engine.
I don't hope you guys paid to much for this engine. :D
It's nice but a Tiger engine it is not!
You're right to a certain extent. This engine, being of the larger kind, has inline injection pumps found on the large diesel engines today, but the main differnece nowadays is diesels are common rail systems controlled by sensors and an ECU. If I'm correct, the common rail diesel was invented by an Italian firm just after WWII.
WW11? :O How long have I been asleep for?
Very, very funny, but, sadly, wasted on CZcams.
This engine is an Isotta Fraschini model SS 46.3 litre V12 diesel
Isotta Fraschini model SS 46.3 litre V12
Coos D Right but not from a bus surly?
from a boat.
People say Crew have to run the engine at max rpm to rotate turrets and that caused some breakdowns
all german tanks during the 2nd WW has no diesel engines
Exactly. Well, except for captured tanks like T34's.
Correct, Sir. All Allied and German tanks used petrol engines. Russians were using diesel engines.
first Russian tanks with Diesel engines are BT-7.
Only later Panzer 1s and the Msus used Diesel
Holy crap, it's a diesel with the response of a top fuel dragster!
LOL someone needs to put this beast in a Honda City or Dihatsu Charade :D
Fair enough. I list the model and maker of the engine somewhere. People didnt seem to want to thumb it up, and now the debate continues
Prius repellent
lol
LMA
Sherman tanks(M4) were equipped from a radial engine to a multi bank to a dual bank diesel to an inline 6 diesel of US manufacture as well as Canadian and British engines.
Russian engines were also fitted.
This tank was designed to allow engines to removed and replaced at the depot level as a module as are all modern tanks so an engine swap to something of a differing design is not much of an issue.
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It is definitely a diesel engine with 2 Bosch injection pumps. Clearly at 2:21 both pumps, then on the side of the left one the hand pump and below this a "Schnapsglas", containing a filter, fitted in a sort of glas to control by view the filter. We call it "schnapsglas": As spare part in a workshop, people used to drink schnaps in that.The HL230 was too weak. A 900 HP (1.200 HP Turbo) diesel engine has been developed at the end of WW2 for the tiger. I guess this is one of it we see her
It's a diesel engine!! the injection pumps is in the front of the engine, or were is the carburetors.
if it's a tiger... then it's gasoline...
No, they are usually a lot larger I think. Check out the video of the Hellcat restoration here on CZcams. The engine in that thing is pretty massive, and it's a fairly small tank destroyer.
that's not out of a german tank. at best it's out of a t-34... not many diesel tanks in WWII
I never saw Bosch Diesel pumps on soviet engine.
Tigers didn't use diesel engines.
Ajyn4Life That we know of, the germans produced many diesels and had many drafts on the drawing board. Fact is it may actually have been intended for a tiger, and considering most of the documentation from the heavy tank programs was destroyed by german engineers prior to defeat no one will ever know. Just because WOT doesn't tell you doesn't mean it's not something that may or may not have been planned, pro tip WOT never told you .....the ratte was originally intended to be powered by a confiscated dutch diesel producing 20+ k in horsepower, the idea was revised due to massive fuel consumption of the dutch engine.
I've never played world of tanks. I've just done a little research, and found no mention of diesel engines in a German tank, much less a tiger. using pure speculation to say it was intended for a tiger does not make it fact...
Ajyn4Life The germans planned on having tigers and panthers equipped with diesels, and from what I have read and traded documentation I have made note of that.
no spark plugs. The compression alone makes the fuel ignite. the injectors in newer diesels are electrical fired and hydraulically powered.
I want to buy this engine just to piss off my neighbours,,,5 streets over :)
Indeed. Tiger 1 type E has Maybach HL 230 P45 V12 gasoline motor 600hp 23.880cc that uses 570 liters on road & 850 liters on field pro 100 km.
Tiger 2 type B has Maybach HL 230 P 30 V12 gasoline motor also 600hp 23.880cc that uses 680 liters on road & 1000 liters on field also pro 100 km.
They have such a Königstiger in Saumur France that still rides. I have met Mr. Maybach himself who helped making this possible & he confirmed it rides on gasoline.
another bunch of nuts
and probably hard of hearing too
correct. they had to be started every 2 to 4 hours to keep them warm. allies destroyed oil refineries. the need for oil was very trying in war time and supplies were limited. refined fuels were saved for airplanes, many of which ran on diesel also.
That guy's got balls to stand there and rev it. If it got loose or tipped the stand over it would crush him.
Ох люблю "Чистый" метал в действии ) Тем более живой двигатель времен мировой. За место музыки можно слушать :)
Looks like it has TWO Bosch P-series injection pumps.... same ones can be found on 12valve Cummins engines...
Injector lines and spill lines... this is 100% a Diesel engine !
This engine probably came out of an E-boat, when the war ended the german crews had to sail their vessels to England where they were inturned. The coast was jamed with ships of all types. Many of the small vessels were sold and used as house boats. The engines were removed for living space. In the late 70s there was still an E-boat on the thames until the small dock was redeveloped as yet another ' luxury house development '
I'm interested too. Interesting construction details-siamesed cylinders with detachable heads, probably pushrods, air intakes below and exhaust up top, prechamber injection with a pump for each bank.
Hi Colin. I don think this is a Tiger engine. Its a 4-stroke diesel, have a close look at the fuel injectors at 2:40. Clear sounds of a low-revving 4 stoke diesel. The Tziger engines I have viewed were petrol engines which had a large center-V compressed intake chamber, inside-V aspiration. The one shown has inner-V exhaust. I may well be wrong thought!
They are also WW2 era Bosch (Daimler-Benz style) injection pumps, Its also missing its twin vertical shaft turbos.. its most likely a a K-M locomotive engine built after the war..
whatever it comes from it sounds nice.
das ganze ohne kühlung!respect!
M4 Sherman 1942 had gasoline Engine, only Russians had diesel tank at that time. Only Russians! This was superiority of Russia to all other countries at that time! Germans had jet aircraft engines, this is cool. But Russia as a single, had diesel engines for a tank! Everyone who talks contrary - talks shit!
Well, in the German VDI definition (VDI = German Engineers Association), an Ottomotor has to have an external ignition, in opposite to a Diesel motor which is a self ignition motor. Otto was (among) the inventors of the 4 stroke cycle, but the Ottomotor, which was named in his honor refers to ignition ( mostly spark) motors. SO a diesel Motor can be 2 or 4 strokes and an Ottomotor can also be 2 or 4 strokes.
Thats the engine i whant in my boat and what a sond amasing video ceap up the good work Peace and love from norway
Yes, I hadn't thought of that. I suppose it just sounds like it's running high rpms because there's so many cylinders firing during every crankshaft rev. Also, I think the mic is a little distorted by the volume of the exhaust. It's probably very loud.
There wasn't a diesel tank engine that produced over 1200 hp until the current generation of tanks. I do believe that the British Challenger 1 was the first tank to have a DIESEL engine that powerful and it was introduced into service in 1983.
Two Diesel engines were in developement. Ohne was from MAN, two flat twin engines, one over the other with two crankshafts already running 24 cylinders and one from Simmering Graz Pauker inVienna. This was a W-engine, 4 rows of 6 cylinders acting on one crankshaft. This was just mounted on the testbed when the war ended.
как наши деды их не побоялись ! тут от одного звука мурашки по коже ! Хороший мотор !
Yes I know what glow plugs are for - however I assumed this to be the HL230, which of course is a gasoline engine and therefore took those fittings/wires to be of the spark - ignition type.
Its not the only runnning Tiger 1 in the world, but i agree with the rest.2014 we will have a working Tiger 1 in Munster too :)
2:49 bottom of right screen looks like a spark plug but could be glow plug, has injectors like a diesel but maybe its for gas, never heard a diesel rev up that quick even the 2 stroke jimmy's. but blows black unburned fuel. this is really interesting.
Superb that...It seems to sound and run better than the one at Bovington in the Tiger there..
I wrote that the Diesel gets to viscous and not frozen. That means, that at -22 normal Diesel is not liquid enaugh to be transports in the pipes. The WW2 Gasoline engines dident had significant problems with cold, even the Airplane engines worked fine at -40°and below at 8000m altitude.
back here in the Midwest when hot rod tractors were all the rage in the 80s I seen one with a tank engine in it german tanks were diesel and the allies were gas and the allies tanks blew up easy from gas
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Keep in mind that the American M4 Shermans ran radial engines that were gasoline-powered (pretty much nearly the same engine as an old aircraft radial)... The M26 Pershing had a Ford GAF gasoline V8, which was a variant of the Ford GAA engine that was also used in later variants of the Sherman... The Soviet BT-7 had a gasoline engine, as well as the T-28. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just letting you know that not just Germany used tanks that had gasoline engines.
In the Second World War, Germany had no diesel for a tank, they tried to repeat (copy) the Russian B-2, but they could not! For information, the V-2 engine was aluminum, the cylinder block and the head! Developed in the years 1931-1939!
There is a injector pump on the front of the engine, there are no spark plugs or distributors...
It's definately a diesel V12, my Cummins will rev that fast with no transmission or clutch to rotate...
It's all about the rotating masses...
Sounds great, definately not a two stroke since two stroke diesels need superchargers to run ;)
As did some American tanks, notably some Sherman versions with Detroit 2-stroke diesel engines. All WWII German tanks used petrol (gas, for you US folks) engines. Some German WWII trucks (and basically all German tractors) had diesel engines, but that was more or less it. The vast majority of the German army was petrol engine powered.
Yes. go to google images and type in Isotta Fraschini diesel. the first image you will see is Isotta Fraschini Strumpshaw 2004. It may even be the same engine in this video. There are a couple of videos showing it running without stacks. Nothing that says this engine was built in the 1940s and there is no reason to think diesels were ever used in german tanks. The only diesels proposed for Panther were Daimler Benz and their tank was not ordered. The Maybach HL210 was already in production.
And then we have the Panther/Panzerkampfwagen V/SdKFZ 171 .
The Panther also had a Maybach V12 engine just like the other German Panzerkampfwagen , and it was the Maybach HL230P30/700HP . The different versions of the Skoda panzers (LT-38) used by the Germans did also used gasoline engines , the 6cyl./125HP Praga EPA .
Diesel tech. Was common in Germany (and Switzerland) in ww2. The German even had some airplane diesel motors. The Americans only had Otto motors.
One of my hobbies are information about old engines from MMB, Maybach, Daimler, Benz, Daimler Benz, mtu and related companies.
If you compare the engine in the video to Maybachs and Mercedes from that era, the main difference lies in the building technology. And the injection pumps was normaly mounted longitudinal. Even most the east european knok-ofs after the war was using this way to mount the pumps.
That is absolutely a Diesel engine!
the sound is typical to diesel engine, there is many good reasons to use a diesel engine, first the relative safety of diesel fuel in comparison to gazoline, the operating reliability of a diesel ( if there is fuel, the engine runs)and ability of a diesel engine to operate at a continuous high torque environnement
Not even logistics but just natural resources.
They were obliged to make and use synthetic gas to run their fleet.
That's why they tried to conquier North Africa fast fast...
They had no mineral resources for steel so they tried the same in northern countries next to them.
The point was just resources.
that's the key of all war.
Mega. Can still see Oddballs face as the he pulls up behind the Tiger in the alley and it cant spin its turret around
American Tank M48 Patton build since 1952 with Gasoline Engine. And first in 1959, M60 Patton with Diesel Engine. And Russians had T-34 in 1940 with diesel!
True. The Maybach HL230, 23-liter 12-cylinder 60°- V engine. Four Solex carburettors.
I agree, definitely does not sound like a diesel, very fast throttle response and all that, but it sure looks like a diesel.
Also... It says it's a diesel in the description.
Also really doubt it's from a Tiger or even Tiger II, looks post-WW2.
That is running sweet! Lots of work!
Wow those tank engines in future wars are very similar to the ones used in WW2 ;).
Seriously though, awesome video. Amazing that thing still runs that good!