The Forge with Harrison Pitt | Ep. 3: The Case Against Reparations | Rafe Heydel-Mankoo
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- In this episode, Harrison is joined by Rafe Heydel-Mankoo, the historian, royal commentator, and much-loved senior fellow at the New Culture Forum. In a gently sunlit drawing room at the Cavalry & Guards Club near Piccadilly, they discuss the case against reparations for slavery and colonialism, as well as the 'decolonisation' movement's dangerous combination of historical illiteracy and resentful ethno-politics.
Produced by The European Conservative, The Forge is a monthly programme which aims to revive the art of Socratic dialogue and intellectual combat at a time when, across the legacy institutions of the Western world, vulgar sophistry and intolerant conformism appear to reign supreme. Presented by Harrison Pitt, a senior editor at The European Conservative, The Forge will be a place for thoroughgoing discussion and fearless debate with the world's finest thinkers on a range of subjects, from philosophy and current affairs to history and culture. As the name suggests, it should also enable us to build up our armoury and sharpen our weapons as we engage in a war for our civilisation.
0:00 Intro
0:15 Monologue
01:11 Selective Outrage Over Slavery
07:02 Did Slavery Make the West Rich?
11:21 The Positive Story Behind Western Success
18:01 Slavery Held Back the American South
19:47 Does the 'Legacy' of Slavery Justify Reparations?
27:07 The Benefits of British Imperial Rule
29:08 Did Britain Loot India?
33:09 The Ulterior Motives of 'Decolonisation' Activists
36:20 The War On Our Past: Sign of A Post-Revolutionary Society?
43:06 How Diversity Kills Free Debate and Historical Inquiry
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Humza Yousaf's speech in the Scottish Parliament attacking 'white' people (i.e. Scottish People) all the while over 95% of Scotland being 'white' was one of the most racist things I've ever heard.
Call them anti-white and win the fight.
Because the blacks and from middle east are the real rascists. They just saying it the opposite but they are the real rascists! They don’t know what is gratitude means from their host Countries in the name of “f” The human rights commission.
Your independence of mind, freed from the shackles of drudge, dogma and voodoo is much appreciated and admired. Thank you both, and the whole team.
Islam and Voodoo are Evils.
Arguments for Protection of English Culture and People
1. Preservation of Heritage and Identity
Argument: England has a rich cultural heritage and history that spans millennia, shaped by its indigenous people.
Risk: Globalism threatens to dilute and erode this heritage through mass immigration and cultural homogenization.
Action: Implement policies to prioritize the preservation and promotion of English culture, ensuring future generations can connect with their heritage.
2. Impact of Mass Immigration
Argument: The influx of millions of immigrants in recent decades has strained infrastructure, housing, and public services.
- Risk: Overcrowding and cultural fragmentation undermine social cohesion and erode the sense of community.
- Action: Advocate for controlled immigration policies that prioritize the needs and integration of native English citizens to protect societal harmony.
3. Economic and Social Stability
- Argument: Mass immigration contributes to wage stagnation, increased competition for jobs, and economic pressure on working-class families.
Risk: Without controls, continued immigration can exacerbate inequality and reduce opportunities for native citizens.
Action: Support policies that prioritize native English workers in the labor market and ensure fair wages and working conditions.
4. Cultural and Ideological Threats
Argument: Globalist ideologies often undermine national identity and traditional values, promoting multiculturalism at the expense of native cultures.
Risk: Political correctness and multicultural policies may suppress criticism of foreign ideologies, threatening freedom of expression.
Action: Defend freedom of speech and promote critical thinking to safeguard English values and traditions from ideological subversion.
5. Environmental and Urban Impact
Argument: Uncontrolled immigration contributes to urban sprawl, environmental degradation, and strain on natural resources.
Risk: Loss of green spaces, increased pollution, and pressure on infrastructure threaten the quality of life for English communities.
Action: Implement sustainable development policies that balance population growth with environmental conservation to protect England's natural heritage.
6. Security and Sovereignty
Argument: Open borders and unchecked immigration pose security risks, including terrorism and organized crime.
Risk: Vulnerability to external threats and challenges to national sovereignty undermine stability and safety.
Action: Strengthen border controls, enhance national security measures, and uphold the rule of law to protect citizens from external threats.
7. Future Generations
Argument: Securing the future of English children and ensuring they inherit a cohesive, prosperous society is paramount.
Risk: Failure to address the challenges of globalism may lead to social division, economic hardship, and loss of cultural identity for future generations.
Action: Advocate for pro-natalist policies, invest in education, and promote family values to foster a strong and resilient society that values its heritage.
Conclusion: By addressing these arguments with thoughtful policies and actions, we can protect English culture and people as a native ethnic group at risk of being washed away by the globalist tide. It is crucial to prioritize the needs and interests of native citizens while embracing diversity in a manner that enhances rather than diminishes England's unique identity and contributions to the world.
Get the book Go Free by Jason Köhne. It's a book that details all of the antiwhite arguments and the dialectics to defeat them.
All the influential parliamentary parties continue to support ir stay si demographic policies that lead inevitably to native minoritisation or stay silent on that being their impact & the omerta on stating the plain facts still remains unbroken on state & corporate media & most of the alternative & independent media as well.
The official figures from schools in England show the children of native families will be a minority within 11 years.
By the trends of the official voluntarily provided census, along with official immigration ones, the English nation will be a minority in their homeland in a mere few decades & all Britons in the Isles some short years after that & who knows what the reality on the ground means for how much sooner these will occur.
When supposed democracy for a people has meant the institutions of power & influence proceed to demographically minoritise native people in their own land with policies that were never proposed let alone received any mandate & maintain a conspjracy of silence about it, then it's useless & we are left in an existential situation where self defence moral calculus may soon well apply.
Government Action (aside from its constitutional duty) is the Error that got us into this mess in the first place. First with the Error of Rome and then the Error of 3 November 1534.
California proposing to pay $5 (yes five dollars) per black person as a non-cash reparation payment. In other words white people.raped. sodomized, lynched, whipped, burnt, bbq'd, ate, souvenired body parts, sold, stole, mutilated, denied humanity to your black ancestors and determined that they were worth $5 in reparations.
A black slave costs more than the price to compensate them back for their grief.
Regarding the WEIRD hypothesis... I think it's part of it. However, I would posit that the Germanic Manorial System, the spread of which matches up well with the Hajnal Line, was another major factor.
A question I keep asking: WHY, when 'colonialism/imperialism' gets brought up, the imperialism by Islam in Spain and eastern Europe is NEVER thrown out as a counter-argument. The 'bad behavior' of the West could easily be explained as 'post-imperialist trauma', a reaction to the brutalization of Muslim expansion.
Well said.
BS, it if there was an ounce of evidence of what you said then you could sell the story in a book with a load of hypothetical analysis. The fact is that Imperialistic Islam has been a feature of world history all along with its slavery , and that is without your dialectical theories you set out for which there is much less evidence.
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@@Uuilll3L With all due respect, what are you talking about? Asking for a friend.
Thank goodness for the European Conservative and in particular Mr Pitt and these dialogues. His guests are always interesting and knowledgeable and I find I learn much from what is on offer. I wish those who have contrary views through lack of knowledge might be compelled to listen but I suppose the notion is rather fantastic and unlikely to be legal. Pity.
Thank you for mentioning where the interview took place. I was mildly considering which of you lived there but then I read ...
The point toward the end re history and the first person plural is important, in my mind even vital. We are losing it for sure and in its place multiculturalism, ethnic division, mistrust and a broken society.
good stuff!
De colinised is an attack on British history and culture, i am proud of our history
New Slogan:
“No One is Colonial. “
The so called ethnic minorities, immigrants, migrants, etc could be described as colonizers.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:21 *🌀 The postcolonial theory critiques that cultures and systems developed during the colonial era, claiming they continue to oppress ethnic minorities in the West.*
01:16 *⚖️ Discusses the universality of slavery across history and questions why countries that abolished it, like the USA and Britain, are often singled out in academic and media narratives.*
02:25 *🔗 Highlights the selectivity of activists who focus on Western slavery while ignoring modern-day slavery in countries like Nigeria, Sudan, and Libya.*
03:20 *🕊️ Emphasizes the importance of addressing contemporary slavery issues over historical grievances.*
04:15 *🌍 Provides a comparative analysis of the historical European involvement in slavery to other regions, especially the Islamic world and Africa itself.*
06:36 *⚔️ Discusses Robert E. Lee's complex relationship with slavery and loyalty to Virginia during the American Civil War.*
07:34 *💸 Argues that the economic benefits from slavery were minimal for Britain and that empire was more of a status symbol rather than a major economic advantage.*
11:29 *🧠 Examines the unique development of the Western mindset, attributing it to historical bans on cousin marriages by the Western Church, leading to societal reliance on broader social trust and innovation.*
14:41 *📈 Discusses the correlation between low corruption levels and high social trust in Western societies, compared to other global regions.*
17:15 *🌐 Reflects on the global economic and cultural dominance of the West over the last 300 years, citing unique Western traits and innovations as key factors.*
19:31 *🏗️ Critiques modern reliance on low-wage immigrant labor in Britain, rather than investing in technological advancements.*
21:39 *⚖️ Challenges the legal and moral basis for reparations for slavery, arguing that the descendants of slaves are not directly harmed today and that their current conditions are generally better compared to if their ancestors had not been moved.*
22:20 *🌾 Bayard Rustin, civil rights activist and friend of Martin Luther King, expressed that he did not personally suffer from the legacy of slavery, emphasizing personal responsibility over historical grievances.*
22:49 *🌍 Muhammad Ali humorously noted his gratitude that his ancestor was brought to America, illustrating complex perspectives on historical events.*
23:29 *📈 African-Americans are considered net beneficiaries of their ancestors' enslavement due to better living conditions and opportunities in the U.S. compared to Africa.*
24:25 *💷 The dialogue posits that both Britain and the U.S. have effectively "paid off" any debts related to slavery through historical efforts and financial investments in welfare.*
25:16 *🌐 Discusses how Caribbean nations benefit from British inheritance such as infrastructure, legal systems, and global financial networks, contributing to their middle-income status.*
27:20 *⚖️ Acknowledges the negative aspects of the British Empire while also emphasizing its role in abolishing slavery and improving social conditions in the colonies.*
28:30 *🚫 Highlights Britain's influence in ending harmful traditional practices in its colonies, such as sati and infanticide in India.*
31:28 *📊 Critiques claims that Britain economically drained India, arguing that the British Empire's investments and policies contributed positively to the region.*
36:28 *🏛️ Discusses the ideological battle over history, suggesting that distorting or undermining Western history serves to destabilize societal values and identity.*
39:15 *🧩 Examines the intersection of various modern ideologies (like Marxism, feminism, and critical race theory), suggesting they collectively aim to dismantle Western achievements and norms.*
42:32 *🤔 Proposes that the core ideologies driving contemporary socio-political unrest are rooted in Marxist theory, manipulated by a minority to inspire societal disruption.*
43:56 *🎓 Points out the challenge in maintaining academic rigor and objectivity in discussions of history when audiences have post-imperial grudges.*
44:24 *🌍 Discusses the complexities of audience biases at the Cambridge Union, noting that diverse backgrounds often bring pre-existing resentments that can influence receptiveness to certain viewpoints.*
44:52 *🤝 Highlights a paradox in diversity: instead of fostering a rich exchange of ideas, increased diversity might lead to greater intransigence and group self-interest in public discourse.*
45:20 *📜 References historical figures like Gladstone to illustrate how modern political correctness and demographic shifts could restrict freedom of expression on sensitive topics like religion and ethnicity.*
46:15 *🔍 Examines the negative impact of high ethnic diversity on social trust and cohesion, suggesting it can lead to increased community tensions and a decline in public engagement and infrastructure quality.*
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This really isn’t a discussion about western civilization but rather the results of the English Political Experience.
Even with the development of the Modern Nation State in England the fundamental flaw is embedded through the mechanism of the acts of supremacy.
Does anyone know the title of the intro music?😅
The reason Europeans are attacked on these grounds while other people are not is twofold.
One, we abolished the practice for moral reasons, which makes us susceptible to moral blackmail. Two, the Jewish presence in Europe led to them leading movements, both intellectual and political, to undermine European confidence in their national/racial identity, which they viewed as an obstacle to their power as outsiders.
Anything that doesn't deal with problem number 2 isn't going to solve anything.
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Liberal Society can be multiethnic but it must be a Single Culture.
Or you could just leave and we could ditch liberalism.
You are living in lala land. That kind of place only exists on Television. It was never real.
@@martyfromnebraska1045 so you are either a Fascist and hate Liberal Society or you are fooled by fascists to reject liberty.
Which one are you?
@@ryanparker4996 I live in a multiethnic society in the United States of America.
My neighbors here in Bay City are most German Polish and Irish. We are all Americans.
I am the son, grandson and great grandson of immigrants, my family first arrived in Boston Harbor 7 June 1634.
We are All Americans.
Your Ethnic Hegemony you admire failed in the ovens of Birkenau.
These people scared😱 of their own history😢⌛️✂️💰 reparations
Slavery was “Abolished” but was perfected through Socialism.
This is really stupid. Capitalism has enslaved our entire people to a hostile foreign elite through their control of finance.
I can make a case for US reparations, my 4th great-grandfather was middling farmer from South Carolina. He was the direct descendant of the 2nd Lord Cathcart of Scotland. He had a white family, and a Black slave family with his slave, my 4th great-grandmother, and bequeathed to them 160 acres of farmland which stayed in our Black family for two generations. Owning property saved my family from ever experiencing generational poverty. And the profits from Cathcart's original 160 acres can be traced to my own family inheritance which I used to buy my house. Our slave owner Cathcart gave me my reparations so I don't claim it. I argue for slave reparations for the Black descendants whose slaveowners didn't recompense their slaves- those Black Americans are owed.
Any debt was paid in blood. To ask for money after that sacrifice is indecent.
Billions of dollars have been spent on welfare programs of various sorts that were essentially created for the benefit of African Americans. Dei, affirmative action, welfare, etc are reparations.
Imperial prestige.
For real reparations: they identify an actual victim of the offense in question.
They specify the abuses and damages.
They assign a dollar amount for their compensation.
They pay the victim.
If the victim is deceased; they identify the closest living legal heir and pay them.
@michaelpcoffee - But what would you do about the thousands of African elites who owe their wealth to the enslavement and selling of their fellow Africans? Why is there no talk about the descendants of these African beneficiaries of the slave trade paying reparations? And why are there no demands for Arabs to pay reparations for their far more extensive practice of slavery in Africa?
No the person who suffered needs to be alive. This was mentioned in the video, by law the person to be compensated needs to be alive. I can attest to this. When my father died we discovered he had been a victim of fraud for several years. When we sought justice the conclusion was that the victim was dead so there was no victim in law
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So; victims of the Holocaust who were killed weren't awarded reparations?
@@grannyannie2948Interesting. I wonder what happens if the victim dies during the legal proceedings? Do the proceedings continue and ‘reparations’ get paid to the beneficiaries? Or does the trial stop?
Western, Educated, Imperialist, Rational, Democratic.?