Poison Testing - BEFORE & AFTER NERF ft.

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  • čas přidán 21. 03. 2024
  • In this video, I am joined by ‪@WorGuides‬ to test poison pre-nerf and post-nerf in Watcher of Realms. We are very thorough and hope y'all can learn something from our results. Also, seems like Liam is immune to the nerf as his poison is just rebranded as Neurotoxin, which is literally poison pre-nerf. We also think we found a bug or at the very least a description error. Enjoy :D
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Komentáře • 118

  • @fastidious_gg
    @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

    WorGuides YT Channel: www.youtube.com/@WorGuides
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  • @Cobb
    @Cobb Před 3 měsíci +9

    I don't find it fair to new players when a game fundamentally changes the way something works and that something was widely used to pass certain levels or "walls".

  • @stephentiberio9664
    @stephentiberio9664 Před 3 měsíci +4

    WOR just hit the “ uncle Roger” at the very end …. “ actually 5 seconds … hiyaaa!” 😂😂😂😂

  • @AlexandreSilva-qk8wu
    @AlexandreSilva-qk8wu Před 3 měsíci +6

    😂 what brilliant timing. MightyToon released today a gear lab showcasing how great poison is against high HP and defence bosses. They be trolling, they be trolling…

  • @Josudes
    @Josudes Před 3 měsíci +2

    Something I've noticed is that if you let support know that a skill isn't working correctly they will change the skill text rather than fix the skill. It's pretty darn hilarious.

  • @mikehernandez5900
    @mikehernandez5900 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Thanks a lot for the showcase! RiP poison. That is a pretty big damage nerf.
    Hopefully they'll take another look, and come up with something in between what poison was originally, and what its going to be after the patch.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci +2

      I am hopeful they will revisit the change before any final decision.

    • @ArcturusCanton
      @ArcturusCanton Před 3 měsíci +3

      I'm thinking that there's a new leader coming whose going to do be the iovar of poison

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      that would be.....interesting@@ArcturusCanton

  • @bratteb
    @bratteb Před 3 měsíci +2

    a TLDR would be really nice for a 30min video

  • @dortjan6176
    @dortjan6176 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks for this video, love the vibe! And I agree, the the communication by Moonton was very poor.

  • @pokedadsam9041
    @pokedadsam9041 Před 3 měsíci

    What we don’t know yet is if neurotoxin can be applied to Boreas in codex. They were hyper specific with the skills that worked and they could neuter Liam there.

  • @ArcturusCanton
    @ArcturusCanton Před 3 měsíci +2

    11:10 this is the exact reason poison was adjusted. There is no way they intended for a lvl 1 hero with no skill ups to kill a boss. There is the new "secret society" faction coming maybe they'll have poison affinity (think a3/a5 solcadens + Anai)

  • @Krushhk
    @Krushhk Před 3 měsíci +2

    I think the name change is fine, neurotoxins are in real life very potent poisons, so it makes sense that being the stronger dot, but say that in the patch notes

  • @Viceroy0187
    @Viceroy0187 Před 3 měsíci +4

    It was me, the viewer.😂

  • @RaldoronWOR
    @RaldoronWOR Před 3 měsíci +1

    I was sorta upset about this at first, but then I remembered that they plan to rework the damage calculation later on like they referred to on Mabucket's tour. I think they are making this change because DOT will be more important after the calculation change. I'm really hoping it's more than just "we don't like you clearing AMR with cuke anymore".

  • @Bleachguy2023
    @Bleachguy2023 Před 3 měsíci +2

    the uncommons become unusable with the 15%

  • @_Hichigo_
    @_Hichigo_ Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks for a video)

  • @WeisseningBlitz
    @WeisseningBlitz Před dnem

    As a newer player (27 days now), it's kinda vexing trying to research stuff just find popular strats nerfed, nevermind those that just won't apply because you don't have a specific unit. Currently being gated by AM12 for the Volka quest and my DPS pulls have not been great. 3 legendary healers doesn't do much good on a stage with 2 platforms and insufficient damage to take out the boss and add trickle. Can't even say my gear farming has gone well with how few I get workable stats. Nature of the beast, I guess, but there's a lot of feelsbadman when walled and the only solution is time and RNG.

  • @Steven-ol4vo
    @Steven-ol4vo Před 3 měsíci +3

    pois-tidious
    what up worG

  • @basnm8659
    @basnm8659 Před 3 měsíci +1

    yea, i noticed in the middle that the poisons were not lasting 10s. hopefully its a bug or someone just forgot to update the code for the new length. If the poisons actually last 10s she will probably be able to keep full stacks/uptime and damage will clearly be much better in that case. still less than current poison but at least serviceable.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      Yea check at the end, we tested and it was only 5 sec

  • @WorGuides
    @WorGuides Před 3 měsíci +4

    Neuro Poison

  • @epic7hatesmesez320
    @epic7hatesmesez320 Před 3 měsíci +2

    brilliant move i would say ... i agree its starting to feel intentional or a smoke screen to distract players from boreas nerfs , cause they had neurotoxin out hidden on 1 character but did not think to mentioning it in patch note or try to relay a proper reasoning it was strange but smart it almost worked it confused players like a shock shell and made us argue about some thing els .

  • @schuck4696
    @schuck4696 Před 3 měsíci +1

    This is just a hot mess right now. Their PR rep for Global needs a good discussion going with a bit of other teams on what's going on.

  • @buzzsawkhan
    @buzzsawkhan Před 3 měsíci

    Did you have the chance to take a look at what Nisalt is like after these changes? Adjusting DoTs this much really throws a guy based on DoTs like him into complete limbo.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      his poison barely exists. he quickly mixes it with burn to make toxic fire

  • @Impericalevidence
    @Impericalevidence Před 3 měsíci +1

    Something about a non-American saying y'all was really cool.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks but I am very much American haha. Where do you think I was from?

  • @darkbeach72
    @darkbeach72 Před 3 měsíci +3

    RIP Cuke, it was good while it lasted, buddy.

  • @paytonruth714
    @paytonruth714 Před 3 měsíci

    Made it to the end

  • @sanreals1259
    @sanreals1259 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Did I just heard cheesecake factory ? Damn I didn't know it actually existed

  • @claygerrard
    @claygerrard Před 3 měsíci

    They can probably run people’s auto runs with nerfs to debug if they break people’s farms.

  • @DirtyRoomKnives
    @DirtyRoomKnives Před 3 měsíci +1

    So how does this affect Aracha? She deals spider toxin (m.dmg) and poison (true dmg). Is she going to stack her magic damage now? Are they changing her poison to neurotoxin?
    Seems like an unnecessary decision all round.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci +2

      she now will deal spider toxian and poison, both magic damage based off her attack

    • @DirtyRoomKnives
      @DirtyRoomKnives Před 3 měsíci

      @@fastidious_gg hmm...so nerf or buff.. Any chance you could test that?

    • @RokanRulerofKaos
      @RokanRulerofKaos Před 3 měsíci

      @@DirtyRoomKnivesprobably a nerf considering poison does true dmg and a bunch of mobs have magic res

    • @DirtyRoomKnives
      @DirtyRoomKnives Před 3 měsíci

      @@RokanRulerofKaos so they're indirectly nerfing a lord. Moonton bringing the pain on the regular

    • @RokanRulerofKaos
      @RokanRulerofKaos Před 3 měsíci

      @@DirtyRoomKnives yup all in favor of probably a new Lego who does the “old” true dmg poison. Aracha should’ve gotten the neurotoxin treatment at the least for being a lord

  • @krysiuuk
    @krysiuuk Před 3 měsíci +1

    So now what? We will need to use Liam instead of cutter in AMR cause of his neurotoxin? Will it be even consistant enough to work?

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci +1

      AMR Liam will not be worth it. But GR3 Liam will still be as viable as he was before.

    • @krysiuuk
      @krysiuuk Před 3 měsíci +1

      Ok so i think i need to push my AMR asap@@fastidious_gg

  • @kgirona830
    @kgirona830 Před 3 měsíci +2

    lets hope they rethink this. It looks pretty bad. ill just use another burner for codex maybe if this does not work out or everybody will make liam lvl 60 for codex lol. Great video as always.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      Yea I think they needa revisit this one

    • @kevinmalone4341
      @kevinmalone4341 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Liam was my first level 60 lol. Little dude carried me in story mode and got his reward.

    • @kgirona830
      @kgirona830 Před 3 měsíci

      @@kevinmalone4341 lots of people had to use him for GR3 19-21

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      fortunately Liam is still good to go
      @@kevinmalone4341

  • @ianmcclellan7269
    @ianmcclellan7269 Před 3 měsíci +1

    The 10s duration was the only possible redeeming modification they made. It would've allowed builds to NOT be forced into attack speed... But looks like they mucked it up...

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      I think so. Thanks for making it to the end haha you are first person who comment on it :D

  • @jamesedmunds624
    @jamesedmunds624 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Is the game going at x2 speed? Wouldn't that make the 5 seconds correct?

  • @SupaPoopaScoopa
    @SupaPoopaScoopa Před 3 měsíci

    I think the non communcation & that the poison name changed is strategic. Despite the good things they do,, they still are a gotcha company,... they'd prefer people to think spending is there only option.
    But of course it's great that they do give a damn about the play aspect of there game for everyone.

  • @itsjj3329
    @itsjj3329 Před 3 měsíci +2

    They do this for the back and forth for the numbers bad or good publicity is never bad so.This is why they do this shit.Well done WOR making one hero a epic hero poisner that cant be and want be used by anyone not early or late this gear would be better used on Wrath or Brianna

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Hadn't thought of this. Interesting....

    • @itsjj3329
      @itsjj3329 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@FastidiousYT
      I even mentioned it to them in a report about some of the things they are doing and it was the first time they blow me off with no real answer 😒

  • @youephoh2766
    @youephoh2766 Před 3 měsíci +1

    This Liam guys sounds extremely dangerous. Who gave him alone access to these neurotoxins??

  • @jamiebrinks1490
    @jamiebrinks1490 Před 3 měsíci

    Curious, will Aracha now do the bad poison, or will she get neurotoxin?

    • @jamestdfm
      @jamestdfm Před 3 měsíci +1

      Technically on Aracha, the bad poison is better than regular poison, since she has the stats to use the new poison, but yeah, Idk

    • @jamiebrinks1490
      @jamiebrinks1490 Před 3 měsíci

      @@jamestdfm problem is 5% of 20000 attack is only 1000 damage... that's nothing.

    • @Gpacalypse33
      @Gpacalypse33 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@jamiebrinks1490 if it says the NEW poison stacks up 10x, does it mean up to 10 seconds, up to 50% m. dmg, or both?

  • @JoshuaOkolie
    @JoshuaOkolie Před 3 měsíci +1

    Is it just me or does that poison not last 10 seconds?
    Okay, just got to the end, lol

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      ;) we should all report it if it goes live like this

  • @BaronDestro
    @BaronDestro Před 3 měsíci +2

    Venoma should get neurotoxin ..sounds about right

  • @daynesantiago2197
    @daynesantiago2197 Před 3 měsíci +3

    FIRST

    • @Steven-ol4vo
      @Steven-ol4vo Před 3 měsíci +1

      damn u. by 1 second. because i mispelled fiiiiiiirsttt (forgot the s)

  • @whereismysiphi
    @whereismysiphi Před 3 měsíci +1

    Not first!

  • @nightsounds8366
    @nightsounds8366 Před 3 měsíci

    I still have an issue with this patch because this nerfs a bunch of heroes who didn’t need a nerf. Makes no sense

  • @zachhamilton456
    @zachhamilton456 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Well, they definitely destroyed poison lol. Guess only thing left to do is to wait to see what else comes with it. Still doesn't seem useful though even with higher attack.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci +1

      important to know this change IS NOT LIVE. If we complain here and on discord, I know explicitly that they are open to feedback and revisiting the change.

    • @zachhamilton456
      @zachhamilton456 Před 3 měsíci

      I think for all the F2P players, this is a very important thing to fight against. I don't need poison, but this is not good for the health of the game if other people can't find alternatives to beating harder content.
      @@fastidious_gg

  • @Bleachguy2023
    @Bleachguy2023 Před 3 měsíci +1

    esme base atk is very low maybe something like around 3k to 3.5k would be better

  • @lorenzogovers1033
    @lorenzogovers1033 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Kinda sucks I am discovering the poison thing so late in the game and now it gets nerfed 😛

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      not getting nerfed on this patch. u should have at least 4 weeks

    • @lorenzogovers1033
      @lorenzogovers1033 Před 3 měsíci

      @@fastidious_gg hope they do bring back, before the patch, that poison boss. Kinda skipped it last times.

  • @wolfboy_tyrant975
    @wolfboy_tyrant975 Před 3 měsíci

    It doesnt seem like the poison on cerberus exclusive artifact changed

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      How would you know? Change is not live yet in game. I can check tho next time I am on test server

    • @wolfboy_tyrant975
      @wolfboy_tyrant975 Před 3 měsíci

      @@fastidious_gg I actually forgot you were on the test server oops

    • @wolfboy_tyrant975
      @wolfboy_tyrant975 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@fastidious_gg could you please. I'd like to know

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      Confirmed that poison on Cerberus's artifact has also changed. However, given Cerberus's very high base attack, this likely will result in an improvement for him.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      Lunacy Visor will still remain his best in slot for a lot of content tho

  • @Bleachguy2023
    @Bleachguy2023 Před 3 měsíci +1

    what about arachas poision

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      changed.

    • @Bleachguy2023
      @Bleachguy2023 Před 3 měsíci

      @@fastidious_gg she is not on the list of poison nerfs

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      @@Bleachguy2023 poison is nerfed. Additionally the heroes cutter cute and skewed are having their basic attacks nerfed. Only Liam out of all poison hacer is getting to keep the old poison which is now called neurotoxin

  • @pink_jezus
    @pink_jezus Před 3 měsíci +3

    Liam is actually required to clear the stage you are given him in the campaign. They didn't want to make the level a guaranteed fail 😉
    Also, poison probably wasnt even breaking the defence on the amr boss, it actually matters with now.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      yes of course. just showcasing how drastically it changed and illustrate the scaling now comes "from within!"

    • @pink_jezus
      @pink_jezus Před 3 měsíci

      @@fastidious_gg yeah but I doubt it will break defence cap against bosses with the commons, cuke has a chance, but the important ones are all around 9-10k

  • @marcelloghin6639
    @marcelloghin6639 Před 3 měsíci +2

    WorGuides = WorGOAT :)

  • @ImaMOTHERFUCKINGTensai
    @ImaMOTHERFUCKINGTensai Před 3 měsíci

    Poison in WoW was not based off enemy health, but I agree very much that they need to do a better job communicating. Has led to way too many issues. Do you have anyone in your community that plays the Chinese version of the game? I doubt this is the case, but maybe some of the issues are translation related i.e. the English localization team isn't providing 100% of the information they should.

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci

      there is no chinese version of the game. it isn't out in china

    • @WorGuides
      @WorGuides Před 3 měsíci

      there is a asia server though #6xxxx@@fastidious_gg

    • @fastidious_gg
      @fastidious_gg  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Asia =/= china @@WorGuides