The Éothéod - Ancestors Of Rohan | Tolkien Explained
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- The Éothéod are the ancestors of the Rohirrim. In today's video, we explore their origins and their early battles with the Wainriders and their early alliance with Gondor. In addition to their battles, we trace their homes from scattered settlements in Rhovanion to the Vales of Anduin, to the land in the far north, near the Grey Mountains that would be known as Éothéod. The Lords of the Éothéod are known not only for their wars with Gondor against the Wainriders, but also for such deeds as slaying the dragon Scatha - an event which has a direct connection to the Scouring of the Shire in The Lord of the Rings. In this video, and next week's, we will trace the ancestry of the Rohirrim to answer the question: Where did the people of Rohan come from?
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Húrin in his chair - Alan Lee
The Oath of Cirion and Eorl - Anke Eißmann
The Oath of Felagund - Antti Autio
Calimehtar of Gondor - Aylatha
Charge at the Pelennor Field - Schevious Little Elf
Edoras - Bakarov
Éorl the Young - Wesley Burt
Forthwini - Aylatha
Fram and Scatha - Gordon Theobald
Fram Slays Scatha the Long Worm - Kip Rasmussen
Frumgar - Aylatha
Haradrim Captain - Herckeim
Marhari - Aylatha
Marhwini - Aylatha
Defender of Cair Andros - Mec56
Merry, Return to the Shire - Tobjorn Kallstrom
Narmacil II - Aylatha
Ondoher - Aylatha
Prince Faramir - Aylatha
Scatha - Lynton Levengood
The Teeth of Scatha - Matthew Stewart
Ride of the Rohirrim - Peet
The Slaying of Scatha - Lynton Levengood
Túrin - SpartanK42
Éorl musters the North - Wouter Florusse
The Edain - Wouter Florusse
#tolkien #rohan #lordoftherings - Zábava
Who is your favorite character of Rohan? Anyone from the Éothéod to the end of LOTR is fair game!
Theoden...although that Fram guy seems pretty awesome.
Eomer is one of my favorite characters. Valiant commander, skillful warrior and loyal man, true Rohhirim! Forth Eorlingas!
Also, pretty much all of Théoden’s best lines from the films are Éomer’s in the book. 😄 I love his reaction to seeing Théoden and Éowyn fallen on the battlefield. You can tell he cares so much for them both.
Eorl, Aldor, Helm, and Eomer.
A just question. I like Wormtongue. He kept things lively. 😉
Did you know that the language spoken/written by the Rohirrim is Anglo-Saxon? My love for Tolkien and medieval literature, particularly Arthurian legend, impelled me to take a course on Beowulf as part of my Ph.D. studies. In order to read Beowulf in the original, we had to learn Anglo-Saxon -- one of the hardest courses I've EVER taken. But, to my utter delight, I ended up able to translate the songs and poems of the Mark! It's a spare, dignified, rich language -- Tolkien's linguistic brilliance shines in his choice of Old English as the language of the Rohirrim.
Tolkien was a professor of Anglo-Saxon studies, I believe. It's why LOTR reads like a Saga.
@@TwentyItaliansLS AS studies, classics, and philology -- his invented languages make sense.
And the language of the riders of Rhovanion was modeled after the Gothic language (at least their names like Marhwini, "marh" meaning "horse"). ;) Have you ever wondered why there is a resemblance between some rohirric names and the names of some (real) gothic kings during late antiquity? (For example: Theoderic, Theodahad, Thorismund)
@@untruelie2640 The language of the Eotheod is Anglo-Saxon; so was the language of Britain in late antiquity.
@@sonyahannah Yes, but the Names of their ancestors from Rhovanion were Gothic names, so it is likely that Tolkien wanted their language to have the same relation to the language of the Eothéod as Gothic has to Old English/Anglo-Saxon. I'm not making this up; Christopher Tolkien explained this in the "Unfinished Tales".
All Eotheod/Rohirrim are my favorite. They are humans, no special "powers" except an exceptional sense of integrity, honor, friendship, and love. They tie their lives to another wonderful creature... the horse. It is a civilization grounded to the earth, bound to loyalty and a respect for others... think of the humans that resembled the pukelmen statues. Just as an example, even as Eomer is banished, he continues to protect the country... honor, duty bound and fierce love. And all those who follow him do so despite the act of defiance and banishment.
I get teary eyed every time I read or watch or hear the sounds of their horns as they ride on to the Pelennor Fields. The subtle but exquisite white flower that graces the graves is an appropriate symbol of their character.
And yet their King was swayed by a man named Grima Wormtongue. Just Men, indeed.
They are so underrated, everything seems to be all 'Gondor Gondor Gondor' but really Rohan is just as epic (although they are a bit obsessed with horses for my liking - not that horses aren't cool though) 😀
a wooden tach barn and a horse master...you smells of horse shit...what civilization is that? ...Saruman would say that xD
@@laurelelasselin well Gondor represent the ancient Roman empire in the real world, so that is why, while Rohan maybe just western Europe or the British Isles or Anglo saxon which started very late in the history of civilization compared to rome and Greece which represent Gondor.
Fun Fact: According to the "Unfinished Tales", Tolkien modeled the language of the Rohirrim after Old English while their ancient ancestors, the Rhovanians, were given names in Gothic, since their language would've been much older than the language of the Rhovanians - as Gothic was older than Old English as well. If you look at the names of real ostrogothic and visigothic kings in late antiquity, you will find a striking resemblance to some rohirric names... (for example: Theoderic, Theodahad, Thorismund)
@Tom Repetti Yes, but that is hardly surprising, given Tolkiens professional background. I already knew about theodisc/thiudisc (since I'm German myself). Thank you for this further insight. Fun Fact: Tolkien borrowed the name "Rohan" (the name given to the land of the Rohirrim) from the breton noble house of Rohan ("Roc'han" in Breton). And guess how the supposed ancestor of this dynasty was called? Conan Meriadoc, the legendary founder of Brittany. ;)
@Tom Repetti As you may know, the latin word "peregrinus" means "one from abroad", so the origin of another familiar name is quite obvious. :D
Thanks for sharing that, weirdly enough the previous video in my playlist is one called Where do the Goths come from, weird coincidence 🤣 Unlike the Goths the Rhovanions definitely helped maintaining their more powerful neighbour to the West
@@untruelie2640 That's so cool! Looked up House Rohan but I'm slightly bummed their coat of arms doesn't show a horse haha
Fram, son of Frumgar and Eorl the Young were always big favorites of mine. They embody the Rohirrim core values of audacity, cheek, and stubbornness, for all time. I'd love to see a film that culminates in the Oath of Eorl.
Love Rohan and their love of horses. My favourite is Eowyn, the greatest shield maiden of Rohan.
Same!
Probably the best female character ever written by a man.
That's how female warriors should be written unlike yk Guyladriel
Anyone knows the name of her sword?
Rohan always had my heart, from the time I first read LOTR at age 10, till now. It's always been sad to me that there isn't more that Tolkein wrote about them. Glad to see what he had written put so concisely into a single source video.
As for my favorite? When I was 10, it was Eomer, but as I reread LOTR again and again, it became first eowyn, for her sadness, and theoden for his strength once freed by Gandalf. But now, I think Fram. I love that story
The Rohirrims and the Eotheod are my favorite Humans in Middle Earth too!
“Despite all the amazing moments centered around this great realm”
Of course you show the battle of the Pelennor fields. That’s like the ultimate moment of the Rohirrim.
Tolkien was a master of trash talking. Fram mouths off to the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains in a fashion that's nearly as epic as when Húrin got all flippant with Melkor himself.
Not to mention Pippin, with his steady stream of shit-talkin
I too feel like there's not enough focus (or canon info on) the Middle Earth races of Man. I've always had a fascination of and for Bree, Woodmen, Dale and the Drúedain. I wish the was a bit more about their history.
Totally agree. I mean, let's be honest, I be enthralled to read the family history of Barliman Butterbur if Tolkien had given it to us! Poor Barliman, he probably couldn't remember much of his family tree - "one thing drives out another!"
Thanks for watching!
@@NerdoftheRings
YES! We all deserve the epic history of the Butterbur family and the establishment of Prancing Pony. And you know it's going to be a long one since it predates the Numenorian kingdoms of Arnor!
I believe we all wished Tolkien had lived 50 more years to give us more lore and even personal stories for some of the characters.
@@bluezauza honestly, I wish Tolkien was immortal in a more literal sense than through his work alone.
@@Jalabhar_Xho His spirit still lives in every fan in that sense he is indeed immortal
Men!! Im watching ur videos like episodes, i recently discover your page watching stuff for lotr show in prime... it is the best thing ive discovered this year! Haha. Awesome stuff . Im watching bottom to top
Great topic, Rohan is clearly a stand in for the Anglo Saxons and likely a favorite of Tolkien himself. Is all this canon? So much of it is new to me. Thanks for the great video!
Thanks for the video!!! Rohan is my favourite faction and I wish I was a Rohirrim
We know it takes a lot of time and hard work to make these videos. So we always appreciate your hard work and dedication to make these videos.
Been binging your channel for the last two weeks man! Seriously it's what I've been falling asleep to. I'm a fan of history in general so watching this makes me feel like I'm taking such a deep dive into LOTR (even after reading all the books and silmar. and children of Hurin a couple times over.
Keep up the good work my man, and once these strange covid times pass and the bank roll gets back to normal you'll definitely have a new patreon supporter to count on. Can't wait to keep learning from you and thanks for the time and commitment on your part!!!
Thank you so much! I’m glad that you’re enjoying the channel and it’s been a fun deep dive into Middle-earth. 😁 All the best!
This is high quality video! Wow, indeed. Keep on going. The only The Lord of The Rings/Arda channel I really like on CZcams. This is excellent. Thank you! Forth Eorlingas! 😀
I love Arda. Movies and the books.
Thanks so much! I appreciate the encouragement!
@@NerdoftheRings You deserve it 💥!
Great video! I love how deep the history of the Third Age is, and how much there is to keep track of. Even having read everything there is to read, it's easy to forget what happens - to the extent where this video felt like fresh info again. Love Middle-earth.
Learning about this world is so much like learning and connecting cultures in our own that it's surprising and I'm not even sure what makes it feel like that but this is something that continues to amaze me!
Great video. I agree that this topic is seldom touched. It's one of my favorites. Can't wait til part 2
What I find worthy of respect is that Gondor and Eotheds leaders and future leaders lead in the vanguard everytime they go out to war. Literally GIGACHAD behavior
You rock bro! Keep em’ coming!
Tolkien trained horses during WWI. It always made him sad to release them to soldiers going into the war. (Yes, horses were still used somewhat then.) He believed that in 1066, when the French crossed the Chanel and conquered the Anglo-Saxons in England under William the Conqueror (or Wm the Bastard), that the only reason they defeated the warriors of England was because they had horses. War horses not only gave their riders reach and speed, but were trained as weapons, using their hooves and even teeth during battle.
Please put conquerer in parentheses next time and bastard in front 😉 The North does not forget...
@@Crafty_Spirit no. Us history nerds give those of the crest give them great titles.
Horses weren't just used in WW1 but WW2 as well, especially on the Eastern Front.
Great job as always! I would love to see a video on the other northmen such as Dale and Dorwinion
Personally always preferred Rohan over Gondor and Númenoreans.
Same.
Lol why?
Both of them numenorians and gondor had more high and strong civilizations
Numenorians even defeated sauron alone and captured him
Numenorians were strongest in their time
Also minas tirith castle is strongest in middle earth and they are defenders of people of west
Gondor is very near to the mordor
@@rolanddeschain9880 yeah, I get all that, just a matter of preference.
They are kinda actually human, could be placed in a historical setting almost. While Gondor (and even more so Numenor ofc) is quite different, with the Dunedain long life, huge fortresses, unending fight against Mordor, etc. 😁
Another quality video of Middle-Earth, nice job! And I can’t wait for Part 2!
Greatly done video, very educative and enjoyable, thank you!
Thanks for watching!!
@@NerdoftheRings I'm watching and liking all the others ones too now, best online source I've ever seen, and I've seen a few :)
Really liked your voice over (is that what it's called?) for The Mouth of Sauron and others as well, well done, very well done! :)
amazing man, finally some new lore, no channel would talk about this matter, youre the first man!!
really congratz! very well said, amazing video, waiting for the next one. :)
personally i dont think the Dwarfs killed Fram as there is no evidence... also, he slew a Dragon would not be easy
another thing, when Easterlings came to Rhovannion, most people forget that, the maojority of Northmen went to Dale... only a few merge with Gondor and a few (mostly horsebreeders and best warriors) go to the Eothed
Dale should get way more credit in the films, the real royal blood of Northmen ;)
Thanks so much for watching!!
Excellent. Many thanks.
Thanks for the great vid! Question: are all valesmen Eotheod? For instance: are the Woodmen living in Mirkwood Eotheod, as well as the Beornings, or are the Eotheod settlers from later days who lived among them? I've been confused about this topic for a while now :).
cool awesome vid Mat
Cool staff man
Good video, I love Rohan, subscribed
So glad you liked it! Thanks for subscribing!
@@NerdoftheRings You're very welcome
@@NerdoftheRings Funny, back then you had like 20,000 subscribers, now you have nearly 100,000 Lol
good video man
Thanks!
You make really good videos - just thought you should know :)
Thank you, Thomas! And thanks for watching!
@@NerdoftheRings My pleasure ;)
Really nice video ^^ We talked about sound quality and mics some time ago and yours is really good. Also well narrated and well edited. Must have been a ton of work!
All the best to you, your family and your channel :)
Thanks so much! That truly means a lot coming from you. All the best to you as well! :)
@@NerdoftheRings haha no problem, thank you too ^^ I was checking what my CZcams colleagues are doing and remembered our microphone discussion, when I noticed your audio quality.
It seems best to steer clear of the treasure hordes.
Agreed! lol!
Eotheod means “people of the horse” in Old English. Love this history
'Dwarves are known for their sense of humour. People point at them and say 'Those dwarves don't have a sense of humour'.'
- Terry Pratchett, author of the Discworld series.
Dare I say... first comment?
Great video!
Forgive my ignorance, but what did you use for source material? Is this fully based on JRR and Christopher's writings? I am always fascinated by Middle Earth and have been since I was very young...
No problem! Happy to answer that! I do some of my preliminary research on Tolkien Gateway, to get the rough outline of my video, but also check the sources to make sure they are cited properly, especially if it’s something that doesn’t quite sound accurate or if I haven’t heard it before.
While I know a good amount of the material from previous reading/research, it’s far too expansive to not use other sources. Lol. Thankfully, TG is typically well cited and I’m able to reference back the original texts (LOTR appendices, Christopher Tolkien’s HoMe books, etc) pretty easily.
Love the videos on Rohan
Rohirrims are my favorites humans in Lotr. "Death!!!"
Rohan is definitely one of my favorite aspects of the Tolkien mythos. They’re an interesting land and culture with a very unique perspective on the history of middle earth, and they kind of remind me of early 20th century United States in a lot of ways: they’re relatively young nation compared to the European empires and are at first isolationists who want little to do with the war until it comes close to their borders and they help to bring the war to an end in the last few days of fighting. But I can understand why Gondor and Númenor get more attention. Relatively speaking, Rohan is a pretty young kingdom. They weren’t founded until late in the Third Age, and so they don’t really have as much history to delve into compared to Gondor.
Tolkien really said "I'll just call it Framsburg" all these flowery names and then there's Framsburg
My favorite people.
nicee
Question...where do you get your music for these videos? Absolutely amazing.
Fram: *Kills dragon*
Dwarves: Its free realestate!
The people of Rohan are the real heroes. Without their armies the free people of Middle Earth and Gondor would not stand a chance!
All hail King Fourth Weenie!
What I always found weird is how the populations of humans did not recover more quickly after conflicts or how the Rohirrim did not just keep their original lands as well as Rohan. Because real humans get massive population explosions whenever food production increases or land mass increases. All the other races should have been long outcompeted by humans who would multiply very fast. Just like modern humans who will keep having population booms when new technological breakthroughs are made, the next could be a breakthrough in energy production such as geothermal or fusion power. It's very possible that human populations grow so fast that we can't prevent our own extinction and full destruction of the environment. Why are the humans of Middle Earth so different? Why did some conflicts last so long when humans usually would fight very intensely in historical wars and either win or fail big and then recover extremely quickly?
You can really see the parallels between Fram and Scatha and Sigurd and Fafnir. This also happens with Turin and Glaurung too. Tolkien took heavily from the Norse sagas, and the Rohirrim's culture is heavily taken from it. The Eothed's armour even looks like the ones depicted in artworks of Beowulf. they even dwelled in the North like the Norse!
I think it is all interesting and Numenoreans, I believe, have a closer and richer history to the magical part of middle earth. And everyone is an Aragorn fan it seems.
The rohirrim are my favorite
Éoþéod means 'horse-people' in Old-English (Which is Rohirric in LOTR)
So not all Northmen became Rohirrim right? Or do the Beornings and Men of Dale/Bardings descend from the Eotheod/Rohirrim??
We need the story of fram please
So how was the plague spread stopped... or it just conveniently affected only certain areas?
It was a strain of covid-19
Fourthweenie. I require a movie about he and his weenie relatives. Would make a great drinking game
Edit I know, it's childish, but it made me laugh for the first time in days. It was worth it
The men of Rohan are a mirror for the migration in dark age Britain... they stand as the Saxons and this is reflected directly in the names and language of the characters... the Viking establishment are the dunedain and the elvish being first reflect the native Celtic cultures of Britain.. this again is reflected in elvish and its similarities to languages such as welsh... this was Tolkien’s conscious basis for the lay of the land and peoples of middle earth therein
If only the numenoreans had lived. Aragorn was a descendant of numenor but not that many survived what Sauron did to their land. I wonder why the elves or dwarves didn’t aid them.
Númenor broke their ties with the Elves and the Dwarves don't care that much for the other people. What happened to Númenor was their own fault
God destroyed Numenor, nobody could do anything about It.
@@kauetadaieski3131 Thank you.
Where was Gondor when th... oh, oh no.
Rohirim are cool but numenorians were the pinnacle of humans and fell. They had a lot more antics going on. Northman are hardy but less glamorous
Once it is in a dragon hoard it's not yours anymore.
Ah yes, his son, Fourthweenie
Blue wizard domain.
Maiars always cause..
dammage breads tought men.
Yup couldn't keep a straight face all the way though the video.
Theo ring of power EoTheod?
It is I, Fourth Weenee!
And you shall know fear beyond comprehension!
My brothers, First Weenee, Second Weenee and Third Weenee have already fell! You, Father Weenee shall also fall!
Gaaahhhhh! What an unforseen circumstance! My other brother, Fifth Weenee, has gotten me from behind!!!!
Its ee-oth-ee-od not a-o-theyed
Rohan > Gondor. Fight me.
Ask me about mar weenie
Sorry but the name forthwini when spoken has me in tears 😂😂 literally sounds like "fourth weenie" I know I'm childish 😂
4th weenie
No wonder the elves were so deadly they had infinity time to hone their battle skills even more impressive is the numonorians dwarves and humans that became nearly just as if not more skilled in a mere fraction of the time 👍🤔
To be fair, elves spent most of their time in Valinor/Doriath where they didn’t have to fight. They didn’t even know what a sword was until Feanor created one.
On the other hand humans and dwarves were fighting for their lives, so they were better at it.
Even Silvan Elves or Avari were more advanced than men as well as more skilled by NATURE. They are naturally taller, faster, more stamina, more durable, stronger, heightened senses, ambidextruous and even had a healing factor lol
If they were to be provoked they were killing machines not to mention those that lived in Aman...
@@therealelderking5830 Only the elves from Aman did not have war-like weapons, the others had to live in the shadows of ME and had conflicts with Dwarves and orcs. In Aman however, they were more developed, having athletes and scholars but were safe from harm. Also the time in great part of the first age are counted in the 'years of the trees" so when they made swords It was hundreds of our years before they went back to ME to fight Morgoth.
4th weenie? Am I saying that right?