The Lost Sorcery of the Valyrian Freehold
Vložit
- čas přidán 28. 07. 2021
- What was ancient Valyria like? What happened to all the old Valyrian sorcery? Why didn't the Targaryens take any with them to Dragonstone? Why is Valyrian sorcery reemerging on the story, and what does it mean? All this and more in our Valyrian magic live discussion!
🜏 One-time donation to support: www.paypal.me/mythicalastronomy
🜏 Join our Patreon: / lucifermeanslightbringer
🜏 All things Mythical Astronomy: lucifermeanslightbringer.com/
🜏 Teeshirts & Merch: teespring.com/stores/lucifer-...
Title image uses "Dragonlords" by Magali Villeneuve and "The Doom of Valyria" by Ted Krüzsely - Zábava
Your channel single-handedly rekindled the love for this series that HBO very nearly killed. Thank you, David. You're a gift to this fandom.
Thank you so much for taking the time to let me know. Comments like this give me a sense of personal fulfillment and satisfaction that numbers and revenue cannot. Cheers and happy to pass on what GRRM has given to me
Absolutely true keeps us going
I agree thank you for all your great work we love you
Sincerely your subscribers
You and Quinn are getting married and making it official
They have a throuple thing going on.
the ship just won't die 😂
Offering a comment to the Lord of Light and the Algorithm. All hail Lord LML, King of all Lore Videos and Protector of the Realm!
The died-in-childbirth thing that was mentioned in I think a superchat evokes the Silmarillion-we are told that when Míriel (1st wife of Finwë) died giving birth to Féanor, her spirit and all her energy went into him and that is why he had such creative power relative to even other high elves, and he went on to create the Silmarils among other ridiculously powerful magical items. So I think this concept is from Tolkien.
Try Rome: Romulus and Remus, Cesarean birth, twins.
Try Rome: Romulus and Remus, Cesarean birth, twins.
Fuck yea moon meteor video coming. Always love hearing that.
Congratulations to both you and Quinn on finding love. All the best to you guys.
Leaving a comment as an offer to the algorithm, the sorcery of CZcams.
Great stream as always David Lightbringer. See you in the next one🦉
Thanks LmL good luck with the move. If you ever come south near the central coast we should totally praise Garth and sample moonshine at the ranch.
Way late to this party but just needed to say - holy cow you just blew my mind with Mirri Maz Duur's resurrection magic being basically the same thing that needs to happen to Jon. It just makes So Much Sense! It's just hidden right there in plain sight for us if you know what to look for.
And it ties right into the possible Ifequevron warg/greenseer history too. It just all fits together so smoothly, I love it. Great analysis.
Thanks David, for all you do and hand-over-fist being the most intelligent and observant creator in this community.
thank you , please tell your friends because this channel is not growing anywhere near fast enough for the amount of work i put in and it's discouraging
Maybe Drogo wasn't cut out to be resurrected. It messed up Dondarrion, Lady Stoneheart and a bunch of other people. Depending on what you do or don't see on the other side and how dead you are it seems to make a difference, as well as the method of resurrection.
While this was streaming live , I was literally moving boxes to my new place, my third move in 18months. I pick up the truck tomorrow to do the furniture. So I feel for you. Moving sux! Wishing you all the best with your move lml!
Awww right back at you Amanda! This will be at least my 5th in 2.5 years
It’s been crazy. This following splitting with the ex.
Good luck on the move! Hurry up and get settled. Us myth heads start to go through withdrawals if we go to long without some mythical astronomy.
Quinn got me into dune books and future movie....
CZcams didn’t tell me you were live! Loving the new camera LML! All the colors are popping.
I am a big fan of both you and Robert from In Deep Geek && I would love for you to have him on to discuss his Ashara and Howland theory. I love this theory and would enjoy hearing your take on it!!! 💜
In terms of why Valeria's wars took so long, my head cannon has always been that it was the Valerian's own fault. There doesn't seem to have been one central authority in the Freehold, and if you think about a bunch of different families all having access to dragons, there's not a whole lot of incentive for them to work together but I could totally see each family being at least a bit full of themselves and thinking they don't need the other families. That could have resulted in only a few dragons being involved in each of the battles of their wars since only one family might have been taking the initiative at any given time, or the dragon riders might have been more concerned with internal power struggles or being wary of other dragon lords and thus wouldn't have wanted to commit their full power to the battles they fought with other nations.
I don't want to stir shit up but why did people try to cancel LML? he's so likable.
Don’t worry about it it’s too dumb to explain. High school level bullshit, and yes I am really nice lol
@@DavidLightbringer alright, in that case I really don't care about it. Keep up the good work.
Old news , seriously not worth rehashing. It was a ridiculous joke that wasn't bloody funny!!! Lml rocks!
I still think Dawn is a sword of pale fire from Dany's vision, dragonsteel blades forged by the Great Empire of the Dawn. Valyrian steel is much the same but uses a slightly different technique and therefore produces the darker rippled dragonsteel of the Freehold.
If you're talking about an actual steel sword adding more zinc and reducing the amount of chromium lead will make it white as opposed to a darker color. Lol
Wait I just had a thought about Dawn, on the note of it maybe being a glass candle. It was made from a falling star, which is a meteor, and the sword of the last hero is dragon steel. The moon meteors were called dragons, and a sword made from a "dragon" that is a powerful metal might be called "dragon steel"
So it isn't a glass candle in the sense of being frozen fire, but it may still have magical properties on account of it being made from space metal
So happy for you both! Best of luck in building your new castle with your Queen of Love and Beauty 🏰💕🌠🌷
Given lmls inclination for costumes one could argue he would be reather the queen of love and beauty in this relationship ^^
If ghosts body is used to resurrect jon and it gives him paler hair that also means if his parents are Lyanna and Rhaegar that he’d end up look more Valyrian. And since the Bloodstone emperor would have had the pale hair of a Valyrian bc he was a dragon lord his eyes would’ve been red to coincide with his title as Bloodstone Emperor which means if Jon has the red eyes of ghost he literally will look like the bloodstone emperor
I can’t wait to see you new filming set up at your new place ! Good luck!!! I enjoy watching you and in deep geek equally !!!♥️♥️♥️
Here I am at Flashback Weekend, surrounded by sports card guys, watching this on potato hotel Wi-Fi, but introducing old friends to the new shit.
I can’t believe I missed this! It’s my name day, and I for once wasn’t on CZcams. Either way, I’m excited for this.. I had many questions for this one. Maybe I’ll get some answers from others’ questions.
Happy Nameday! 🍷🍇📯🎁💐🤺
Remember not to kill anyone today, it's bad luck.
find your Dantos
@@minty.maelstrom Thank you, Queen! 🦋
@@Pentagathusosaurus LMFAOOOOO
About midstream there were so many great ideas floating around I had to pause the video to gather my thoughts! I love the idea of Mirri Maz Duur trying to bring the horse's spirit into Drogo. Evil! Did Drogo like carrots afterwards? And very much looking forward to a Shadowbinder video after what you said about binding shadows to the dead bodies in resurrection rituals.
Happy moving!
Who fortifies or holds Moat Cailin for the most part? The Iron Islanders for a hot minute in the books, but aside from that, who? The Crannogmen?
The Crannogmen can't into castle warfare. I think Moat Cailin was empty for the most part before the Ironmen took it from the Northerners.
@@ilovebjorksomuch3189 but I thought I remembered it being described as being in a super crucial area - like right at the thinnest part of the Neck... Like why would they just leave such a vital castle to go to waste??
@@jinxedsphinx3600 trap?
@@jinxedsphinx3600 Because it is cursed! Made from Oily Black Stone magically toxic!
The Bridge of Dreams Scene happens right after Tyrion calls out Aegon as being Valyrian.
Considering what Valyria did to the Roynish, there might still be a curse on the river / water or something.
Just sent a PayPal for the first time! Thank you and good luck this weekend 🌟
thank you, I got it!
cheers on the move 🌲
I definitely believe that the Fisher Queens are the sister race of the Children of the Forest. Hearing you talk about what's older than the Great Empire of the Dawn (and mentioning the Fisher Queens) really cements that theory for me. The Disputed Lands theory about the Mazemakers, Fisher Queens, and Leng really started to get me thinking about it, and as Leng has female primogeniture and the Old Ones are still supposedly there, it makes me think that the Fisher Queens ARE the Old Ones, or at least descendents of them. The Fisher Queens were highly looked up to, and basically worshipped by their cultural neighbors. And who's to say that the "Green Men" aren't actually women? I'm not sure about that one and don't have it all fully worked out in my head, but it seems plausible that thousands of years of male dominated society (except for Leng, where the Old Ones still seem to hold influence), especially since calling the human race in Planetos is just called the race of Men or Man, could have easily distorted things. The Children of the Forest seem to be a female dominated society (or at least gender neutral), so it would stand to reason that their potential cousin race could actually be a sister race 🤷 idk. Just some thoughts
Damnit, my net cut me off again, I'll have to call the service. Anyway, i'm sure it was an awesome stream as always, i'll watch it later. Cheers!
Edit: Congratulations with your love life, and good luck with the move! 🥳
Oh my God they were roommates 😳
What do you think about the theory that the Empire of the Dawn didn't have dragons, but instead used fire wyrms to build their fused stone structures. And then the purpose of Azor Ahais ritual was to create dragons to rule the world with. This either purposely or accidentally/indirectly led to the long night
I think using firewyrms to build things is implausible in the extreme, and too similar to dune. That’s my taken
Sir lightbringer, I am a newcomer to both series, your videos have made it easier to understand them. Dig it.
I like that theres something new ive never thought about in this video, all the other content creators have just been rehashing old stuff and doing 3 hour streams that have no new insights into the story...so i guess what im saying is its their loss to not have you on
So much LML content to catch up on. I used to listen to the podcast and just came back and subscribed to the channel recently.
i need to update that podcast feed too
Good job and best of luck in all you do.
Just as awesome as always Lucy! =)
I´ve been following Quinn & You for probably the last 5 years now and absolutley fell in love with this nerdy communiy
I very much enjoyed your take on potential reasons for the Targs not "taking" the Valyrian sorcery with them to Westeros. I'd not heard any other ASOIAFers ever posit on that! Goot verk 👸🏼 Do you reckon you could possibly please share the link to your essay? Cheers 💗
P.S. Congrats on the move and the big leap forward for you both ☮️
So I was referring to the “Doom Was An Inside Job” and “Doom was an Abolition” videos. Pathetic second for the specific thing you’re talking about
Best wishes to all four of you ;)
LML I've listened to most of your stuff and I don't remember you touching on food much. With the deeply human aspect of food and communion do you think there might be potential themes/foreshadowing/literary devices tucked into the descriptions of the feasts? Characters consuming symbols of other characters, night kings eating moon maidens and the like.
Yes, some. Basically the symbolism loves everywhere... the food symbolism can be tough though, unless there are eggs haha
For food, I think the shape and color are easy to analyze as a start. Then I would look at whether it is a creator of life (fruit, egg, seed) or dead (meat, poultry, fish) and the origin (water, tree, forest, farm, etc) and what group is tired to it (house symbols or bonded pets). It is tricky but kinda fun in its ambiguity. A white or red fruit might connect to weirwoods, a round fruit tart could be motherhood, or a feast with mostly meat dishes could symbolize death or predation.
watching late but loving your urging of the chat to keep u informed of dubs trades lolol. No trades in the end but i like the picks. loved the video more though! moon meteor video gonna be epic!
Hey, congrats on the good news!
Great subject, loved the video !
Very cool vid. Valyrian sorcery is so fascinating to me
I'm a big fan of IDG and LML; I am very interested in their different approaches to analyzing the series. Both offer such well researched and thoughtful insight to consider. I completely missed the whole attempt to cancel LML, but since I discovered him through his fascinating collaborations with IDG I really hope that they'll work together again in the future!
Sending positive vibes George's way.
Sad I missed this one 😓
The Targaryens had a “are we the baddies” moment and dipped over to dragonstone
Yay for extemporaneous streams!
Nice I enjoy valryian themes the most
Excellent
Good luck buddy!!
Love your videos man, keep them coming! Oh lord of CZcams, please accept this comment as an offering to the algorithm god!
Yeah your personality screams west coast.. I live in Portland and you'd fit in perfectly up here. Cheers LmL thank you for the streams man. I really look forward to these.
Gilly seems to believe wights are attracted to her baby because they can sense the life within it. When the wights came for Sam and Gilly, literally only one out of like ten went for Sam, and it was Small Paul, who wasn't very bright even when he was among the living. So if the life force of a child has more live, and Dany seems to have used some form of blood sacrifice to reawaken her dragons from their dormant state, combined with them growing pretty damn fast, could Dany have called forth the spirit of Rhaego and essentially divided up his soul (given Melisandre's shadow babies appear to each be fragments of Stannis' own spirit. All are him yet multiple can be made and used separately) between her three dragon hatchlings?
This would be eerily similar to what you've speculated the ancient Valyrians/Empire of the Dawn did to form the dragon bond, by sacrificing a family member to place an ancestor spirit inside the dragon. What if it doesn't have to be an ancestor? What if what matters most is simply how closely you match the bloodline of the one whose spirit/shadow was bound? Perhaps even using a child would channel even more power into the dragon itself, which given that GRRM is choosing to not do the time skip for Winds and Dany's dragons are growing pretty damn fast, could explain why her dragons are growing so much faster than the last Targaryen dragons. The Dragon Pit and possible interference from Maesters is supposedly what did the dragons in last time (plus the Dance), but I've seen some speculate that dragons more closely tied to blood magic could have been stronger, explaining some of Balerion's power.
Late the the party but if George ever got into crystals meanings each color of obsidian represents something different. Black obsidian is for psychic protection. Green obsidian is a truth enhancer. Red is good for bloodflow. Purple clears out mental blocks.
The idea of a skinchanger resurrection ritual and the consequences of doing it on a non-skinchanger blew my mind. Although it makes me scared for Ghost...
3 black candles = 3 heads of the dragon (black being color of Targaryen)
1 Green candle = Brandon, a green seer
The 4 candles just kinda point to endgame heroes/sorcerers, that’s my best guess
totally would love a green knight review
Is your girl a content creator, as well as an ASOIAF fan? Give me a yes or no to that question! The fandom needs a CZcams power couple. 😂 Best of luck bro.
Not a content creator no, but a big fan. I’ll get her on camera some time probably
❤️ in the chat
GOOD LUCK, WITH THE MOVE!!!
Ah, the likes were on 420, I almost didn't want to press it
LML whats the best way to msg you about an idea/ something you need to hear? It's obviously regarding figuring this nonsense out?
I sure do love me some LML
In some other literatures when a person gains control of a set of magics they can gain control of any practitioners of it also. I would find it interesting if she could just shut down certain powers
I relate to your and Dany's strong sense of justice. And I too had to move to find my people... only to Europe!
A random note that I have about chemistry is the obsidian is extremely high in magnesium. Magnesium when added to steal prevents corrosion and also alters the chemical composition of the steel making it stronger significantly and changes the color to a lighter color. I think that if George RR Martin is a chemistry fan, Lightbringer or the sword Dawn might be dragging glass AKA obsidian smelted down with a valyrian steel sword.
another hint for ancient dothraki skinchangers are the zorses of the Jogos Nhai. The Jogos Nhai seems related to the Dothraki and they ride zorses wich resembles real life zebras. Zebras are known for their temper and are very hard to tame animals. And no one would ride one in real life.
Sword of Shannara!
Wad up doe hope you’re doing well. Love the content your channel is criminally underrated. b But it just makes me sad that your a Warriors fan… lol
Peace and wholeness fam
I am the blood of Old Valyria I will take what is mine with fire and blood I will take it.
🔥💥🐉🐲🐉💥🔥
Maybe the differing coloured dragon glass is like the different coloured eyes that Dany sees in her dream? Like the different colours represent different houses of Dragon lords so they are different dragon glass for the different rulers of old Valyria
Could be...
I would add a Superman allusion: movie crystals technology, and Kryptonite
Hey, I haven't got the arctype of the dragon frozen in ice. Any recommendations?
Hey lml..plz a video on rickon 🙏🙏
Lord of Likes humbly accept my comment, as an offering to the algorithm.
I think the roynar and ghis resisted for so long because they fought the foot soldiers wasn’t it that they didn’t send 300 dragons after the roynar until a few battles were lost
I may or may not have gotten my friend who only watched GoT and HotD now taking on the task of reading ASOIAF in full because I shared so many of your videos trying to explain broad strokes of the great empire of the dawn...now I am pretty sure I have created a fully fledged Mythical Astronomy fan who is reading the books to fully grasp your theories. Ya know as long as they read the book rofl 🤣 they are my first successful "read ASOIAF so we can be weird lore nerds together" convert of my show only friends
Well this is music to my ears!! It’s teamwork, reeling em in!
@@DavidLightbringer we are both happy to support your content! We had a question though, have you played the Dragon Age Series of games? (we both are massive fans) and given how deep you go into lore we were just talking and said "wonder if LML would be into DA". If you haven't and are looking for something to sink your teeth into we both think you would love all the symbolism, myth parallels and massive amount of deep lore the world of Thedas has to offer. I have been picking apart the codex entries and additional content (comics, novels, short stories) for several years and honestly everytime I pick up the game much like ASOIAF i discover new bits. Just thought i would suggest it even if you never make content on it though i would love to pick your brain about about couple lore points from that game Have! LOL Have a wonderful rest of your day!
Maybe Marwyn, with his glass candle, will advise Dany not to blow the horn?
Please do a spoiler free review on the green knight because I haven't seen it yet and I want to know if its any good
Hey man love the videos! Just gonna ask this here. One thing that always bothered me about Jon Snow is he feels like a predestined character. Think of all the potential tragedies house Stark has survived. Foremost amung them being what if Ageon had just torched the Stark that knelt? Do you think Daneys the Dreamer dreamt that far ahead as to see Jon snows birth? Potentially swaying ageons decision years later? A man who built a throne from the broken swords of his conquered enemies doesn't strike me as a fair and just in war.
Did I hear an hour long moon meteor video coming? 😏
Yesssss
Thank you so much for your insightful analyses.
In that order, regarding Daenerys's path, maybe GEORGE is just rewriting Shining.
Daenerys is Danny, and the Others, the Church of Starry Wisdom, The Undying etc are just different incarnations of the Overlook Hotel, evil entities from the astral plane who wants to absorbs Danni's powers (id Dragons)
Need to read that someday. Agree by instinct.
Rewatch binge 🎉
SFO Yay Area!! 415 pride 🐥🍼! Love you D!
Hella yeah, you stay in the Bay?
@@DavidLightbringerstill do, buddy!!
Hey David I've been working through your channel by watching the playlists in reverse chronological order, only straying when you start a video by strongly recommending I watch a certain other video beforehand that I hadn't seen yet. Am I doing it right or is there a better order to go with?
I mean that works, but I’d also give the playlists tab a try. They’re organized by topic and some of the sequential videos are in the right order. Also if you haven’t tried one of the old podcast series - Moons of Ice and Fire or Weirwood compendium - that’s the deep magic
@@DavidLightbringer Yeah that's what I mean! I've been watching the playlists! I started with the earlier ones and am working my way toward present day ones. And absolutely loving it. You've done a superb job of organizing it all :)
And the old podcast series are some of my favorites. I find the long ones fly by because it's just super interesting to me!
PRAISE GARTH
I see you have good taste in music, man. I think you’d really like All Them Witches and Stoned Jesus you should give those bands a shot they’re bad fuckin ass
I also moved across the country on my own when I was 20, except in reverse: from the West Coast to the East Coast. My parents are a very conservative brand of Christianity, too, and abusive.
I love Dany and her story arc. I acknowledge she will likely have a dark turn, but I agree that's what is in her heart is justice.
Oh, and I'm also a Pisces lol
why new weirwood trees can't be planted or grown??? And Why the Weirwood trees we see in the main series doesn't grow much?
I'm a new fan of this channel and I like your theory about the Targaryens causing the doom. But one thing I'm missing: didn't Aenar continue to make and sell Valyrian steel products after he left Valyria? How could he have made these weapons without using the sorcery that made Valyria a slave empire?
It’s unclear in the text of AWOIAF, but they only talk about selling V-steel before the doom, and never mention the selling or making of V-steel after the doom
An extra comment to appease the algorithm gods!
Any interesting House Marbrand sigil's symbolism?
Can't remember if you saw parts this when I posted stuff earlier, so apologies if I'm repeating myself; but since you asked.
I believe there is too much Tolkien "delved too deep" and the "destruction of Krypton" Superman movies allusions not to think "The Doom" was a Darwin self-pwn. I've been too busy for my response to the Tyrion in Mereen vid, but his being a slave are major hints about the Doom. Lannisters didn't have gold mines, Targaryens did. Lannisters sold slaves to Targaryens for gold, Gerion isn't looking for Brightroar, he's trying to reopen the Targaryen mines with stonemen. Tyrion being a farcical symbol of their houses' role karmic retribution, as now a Lannister, turned slave, sells off ill gotten gains from the slaves they traded for. The just 2 dragons burrowed in the pyramid, one can imagine swarms of dragons and the foundation damage done added to excessive mining.
"Others who need to be killed" I look over to my copy of "Deer Woman" :::sigh:::
I wonder if GRRM is a Magic the Gathering fan what with the green, red, black, white and blue magics.
As for the different magic users seeing the future, in all most all fantasy and sci Fi there are multiple futures but the most likely outcome is the one seen most clearly. I think that the Red Wedding was seen by so many people because it was extremely likely to happen in some way or another.
Where is Azor Ahai's dragon in the myth and why do i feel it screamed in ecstasy and agony?
haha it's conspicuous by it's absence isn't it
I always assume you and Quinn shared a bed, Bert and Ernie style. It's ok to admit you still sing to a rubber duckie in the bathtub.
God Emperor living for thousands of years ridning around in a Pearl, so like a white ball, palankin? Sounds like a space ship to me with an ALIEN inside of it. Boom!
Algo has the Rythm