Undercover boss finds out just how evil graduate job applications are

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  • čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
  • Are graduate scheme applications REALLY as bad as students claim? I go undercover and find just how hard entering the job market has become in today's special episode.
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  • @justinchristoph3725
    @justinchristoph3725 Před 2 měsíci +4883

    I read about an employer who was telling a guy that nobody wants to work because they've been trying to hire people for months and were getting no takers. The man said "My son applied to your business online and got no response". Apparently, the software was rejecting all these applicants. The employer had no idea.

    • @Lazy2332
      @Lazy2332 Před 2 měsíci +572

      Well, yes and no, the organization set those parameters somewhere so someone knew, but likely wasn’t telling the hiring manager.

    • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
      @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Před 2 měsíci +298

      Pathetic employer, if you want people to work for you you should literally go door to door and ask the people if they would like to take the job your offering. Dont expect the hiring work to just be done for you unless your willing to hire on the spot someone who just walks in to the office one day. The more picky you are the more effort you have to put in to finding what fits your expectations.
      Yea Id fire the entire hiring department if they made a webpage like this - Im paying you look trough cvs read aplication letters and do interviews! If were letting an algorythm do it I dont need you I could get together my programmer family and make a better websight myself.

    • @MannIchFindKeinName
      @MannIchFindKeinName Před 2 měsíci

      @@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 i was working as headhunter for a (very succesfull) start-up specialized in poaching, if a company actually wants a specific candidate, they will literally just pay someone to "have" that candidate. Everyone else is just a replaceable cog, and depending on your chef, you will be treated as such.

    • @FirstnameLastnames
      @FirstnameLastnames Před 2 měsíci +218

      Well maybe *the employer should have done their due diligence before publicly launching their software program*

    • @johanneshass1614
      @johanneshass1614 Před 2 měsíci +216

      Somewhere exists a thread where someone listed all the occurences of the phrase: "Nobody wants to work anymore!" in newspapers. The oldest entry was from 1910.

  • @bigo93
    @bigo93 Před 2 měsíci +4827

    Where was the question "Are you 21 years old with 40 years experience?"

    • @Jenkkimie
      @Jenkkimie Před 2 měsíci +503

      What's funny is in my industry (software), there have been plenty of posts where companies are asking for experience and technical knowhow that either the inventor of said technology has said they don't even have, or experience so long on a specific technology that hasn't even been around for that long. Those are the best ones.

    • @charlesmartinjr3971
      @charlesmartinjr3971 Před 2 měsíci +179

      ​@@JenkkimieI'm trying to break into the IT industry, and I can't tell you how many "entry level" jobs require at least 5 years of experience, or some ridiculous certification requirement, like a CISSP cert.

    • @Jenkkimie
      @Jenkkimie Před 2 měsíci

      @@charlesmartinjr3971 Yeah it's dreadful currently. If it helps you any, a lot of senior engineers are very empathetic and they feel your pain as well, and trust me they struggle with that feeling as much as you do. I've seen so many videos of senior devs talking about the absurdity of current hiring practices especially for junior developers. Hopefully it changes as soon as possible. Have patience, be forgiving to yourself and understand that the current circumstance is wonky and it's not your fault and has nothing to do with your skills. It's the recruiting that's currently off but it will not be like that forever.
      In the meantime I recoomend expanding your skills and familiarity with several technologies. It's good to have few programming languages and technologies that you know well.
      I wish you all the best in your professional career!

    • @Jenkkimie
      @Jenkkimie Před 2 měsíci

      @@charlesmartinjr3971 Yeah it's dreadful currently. If it helps you any, a lot of senior engineers are very empathetic and they feel your pain as well, and trust me they struggle with that feeling as much as you do. I've seen so many videos of senior devs talking about the absurdity of current hiring practices especially for junior developers. Hopefully it changes as soon as possible.
      Have patience, be forgiving to yourself and understand that the current circumstance is wonky and it's not your fault and has nothing to do with your skills. It's the recruiting that's currently off but it will not be like that forever. In the meantime I recommend expanding your skills and familiarity with several technologies. It's good to have few programming languages and technologies that you know well.
      I wish you all the best in your professional career!

    • @impguardwarhamer
      @impguardwarhamer Před 2 měsíci +69

      and ofcause the enthincity/lgbt question, which if you read the average employment advert is the only question they're actually paying attention to

  • @reynoldskynaston9529
    @reynoldskynaston9529 Před 2 měsíci +889

    Now imagine doing 500 of those applications and getting 20 rejection emails, 2 interviews followed by rejection, and 478 ghosts.

    • @Khroniclas
      @Khroniclas Před 2 měsíci +36

      The story of my life since June 2023.

    • @triparadox.c
      @triparadox.c Před měsícem +6

      Since December 2023 (when I graduated). Been applying since a year before for internship though. Of course, no luck.

    • @alfayedmalik4273
      @alfayedmalik4273 Před měsícem +16

      You actually got up to 20 rejection replies? Nice

    • @RUGrimm-fv5if
      @RUGrimm-fv5if Před měsícem

      ​@alfayedmalik4273 I've applied to 1,509 applications, received 27 interviews/tests (mostly scams), 183 rejections, and 1300~ ghosts.

    • @davissp2
      @davissp2 Před měsícem +2

      @@Khroniclasexactly the same for me. Also, since June 23

  • @Ravie_B
    @Ravie_B Před 2 měsíci +641

    "Millennials just don't want to work though."
    No, legitimately a lot of us spend a full time's job worth of work every day to get ghosted by companies that do this to us. We rarely ever get a phone call or interview, just flat out nothing back in return.
    I'm fortunate enough to have a fulfilling career and financial stability through hard work but my friends work just as hard as me, actually harder most of the time, and are miserable or unable to land anything. It feels completely like luck of the draw.

    • @SnowieShiba
      @SnowieShiba Před 2 měsíci +25

      Even then half of the websites are barely functional, so it takes literally hours to fill out an application when it should be a few minutes and we're just expected to do so many a day just to have the chance at a job. Looking for a job now is literally a full time job.

    • @trailingrails9953
      @trailingrails9953 Před 2 měsíci +27

      Was unemployed nearly 8 months last year. Recorded all my applications in a spreadsheet, and I totaled 141. A decade of relevant experience and most of the certs they wanted. I head back from 4. Got an interview with only 2. One said I was hired, and then dumped me 3 weeks into onboarding, so I never got to start, and the other was where I’m currently employed. It’s actual hell trying to get employed today.

    • @antoniocampos5638
      @antoniocampos5638 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Maybe people should just stop playing that stupid game, like crossing their arms and not applying for any jobs at all.
      Maybe all the unemployed should start an union of sorts for unemployed or something.

    • @mcsmedia8081
      @mcsmedia8081 Před 2 měsíci +9

      This and all the other replies to your comment. The sheer scale of the contradiction in the economy between official statements from the government highlighting the hundreds of thousands of jobs that employers add to the economy each month and company exclamations of "no one wants to work anymore!" and the insanely difficult application grind, ghosting, and endless rejection of applications by companies, coupled with the companies' obsession with only scheduling skeleton crews for day-to-day business operations. I am coming from an American labor market perspective and it is absolutely insane here just trying to get a hiring manager to even look at an application, let alone do so without automatically dismissing the application for one insanely petty reason or another. I finally, finally got lucky after more than a year of application grinding and got a job. My wife if currently going through this obscenely torturous process and has been grind applications at a rate of 10+ a day for months now and has been rewarded with only rejections.

    • @improvedalpaca3294
      @improvedalpaca3294 Před měsícem

      ​@@mcsmedia8081 my partner recently applied for two social worker *training course*. You needed an undergraduate degree already which she had. It was a two year course to get you to be a qualified social worker. She already had two years work experience at a mental health residential home looking after people with complex psychological needs for less than our friends make at subway and Lidl.
      The entry requirements for both training programmes were initial cv and background docs ect. If you passed that you got to answer several detailed questions about your motivations and experience+ scenario questions. One made you record your answers on video.
      Then if you passed that you got to do a half day online assessment centre day. The assessment centre involved a standard interview + group tasks + roleplay sessions + rapport building with a real service user ect.
      This is the stage she got to before being rejected from both. She had waited months and months for them to finally arrange the assessment days. She had been learning to drive for months because both programs required it.
      We got the feedback from them and for most sections they said she had done well but just needed to do more. "You demonstrated competency and confidence but we would like to see more". Somehow. Most sessions were half an hour at most. In the raport building she was told she showed enthusiasm for social work and the individuals... But not enough interest in the program itself... In a 15 minute conversation with a service user that was supposed to demonstrate raport building.
      Essentially they were testing to see if you could already do all the work of a social worker. I told her that if she could complete all those tasks that perfectly then she should already be a qualified social worker. It should have been a fucking job application not a training programme
      And ofc they said it was very competitive. But the first assessment centre she was at only had about 15 people for our region. I assumed they would be taking quite a few candidates and only looking to drop the really shit people but apparently not. I guess they only the 'best'. Those who can jump through interviews hoops most effectively. Those who can do a stupid roleplay scenario well
      We're supposedly so desperate for social workers. But having a related undergraduate degree and two years experience in psychological care work isn't enough to even get you onto a training programme to become a social worker. And tbh while on that training course she would have had to take a pay cut on the already barely above minimum wage that she gets to deal with schizophrenics and drug addicts most days.
      I'm still mad about it. I was bigging her up for months. I know just how competent and dedicated she is. She does more work at her job than her managers combined. Everyone turns to her for the answers. I was positive she would get it with her knowledge and care and experience.
      Now she's stuck. Has to wait another year to try again at that. Only has another year where she can apply because after that it's 'been too long since her undergraduate to do the masters component'. Can't pivot into psychology/therapy without going back and doing a new undergraduate because conversion courses are very rare. Looked into care regulatory roles like compliance officers and there's no way to get into that. There's no jobs available and no entry path.
      Her only option is stay in a job with terrible managers with the hope one leaves in the next two years so she can move up to take on more responsibilities for essentially equal pay because managers don't get nights shifts. Or just leave and work in a fucking shop because they at least pay a chunk above minimum wage and don't expect you to know how to manage complex mental health needs and care regulations.
      Give up on her dream and waste her degree because nobody can be bothered to teach educated and passionate grads.
      Nobody wants to work like fuck😮
      P.S. this is the UK and our economy is just fucked. Nobody here even knows what business dynamism means anymore.
      Related fact, I'm a data scientist working at a consultancy that's struggled to find a contract for me for 9 months now. That's how great our corporate world is doing.

  • @RayspeedRider
    @RayspeedRider Před 3 měsíci +4009

    I remember taking over 2 hours filling in an online form. Loads of 'give an example of you in this situation' etc. Hit send and immediately an email rejection. Immediately! What the bloody hell. I'm still angry 20 years later.

    • @eugenetswong
      @eugenetswong Před 2 měsíci +287

      I spent about 4 hrs on a simple application, if I recall correctly, and spread that out over several days, because I didn't want to mess it up. It was so disheartening. I had to rewrite the resume, and customize the CV.

    • @orls9068
      @orls9068 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Awful

    • @pg4662
      @pg4662 Před 2 měsíci +26

      @RayspeedRider aww don't be angry, so that company missed out on your skills and talents, they'll just have to get over it!!

    • @Tommi-C
      @Tommi-C Před 2 měsíci +4

      Been there.

    • @compugasm
      @compugasm Před 2 měsíci +249

      _I'm still angry 20 years later_
      I have a similar story you might enjoy. One day my mother called me, and said someone just called about a job offer. The thing was, I moved out 20 years ago. So this recruiter, was actually calling 20 years after I filled out the job application.

  • @a.r.hollowayauthor7210
    @a.r.hollowayauthor7210 Před 2 měsíci +4109

    "You should be applying at 10 places a day!"
    That's . . . that's more then 15 hours of work bro . . .especially if you're going to write a unique cover letter, tweek your resume for each job, etc.

    • @notabannedaccount8362
      @notabannedaccount8362 Před 2 měsíci +178

      Exactly! New resumé each time!

    • @Allantitan
      @Allantitan Před 2 měsíci +381

      15 hours of UNPAID work on as well

    • @aldogutierrez8240
      @aldogutierrez8240 Před 2 měsíci +226

      Human resource people are crazy

    • @zumzici1234
      @zumzici1234 Před 2 měsíci +57

      ​@@Allantitan Prepping you up for the actual job, lol 😂

    • @Xarai
      @Xarai Před 2 měsíci +37

      thats not how resume's work
      this is literally what NOT to do

  • @brianhourigan
    @brianhourigan Před 2 měsíci +346

    It's not just unacceptable, it's unprofessional, it's embarrassing and it's absurd. They should be ashamed of themselves

    • @yepdontcarebud
      @yepdontcarebud Před 2 měsíci +10

      They're not and no ones gonna do anything about it

    • @LowR-HighK
      @LowR-HighK Před měsícem +1

      They'd have to get a clue first. It's a core-incompetency issue.

  • @jmanabc
    @jmanabc Před 2 měsíci +158

    There are American college students filling out HUNDREDS of these and not even getting a single interview. Process is completely broken

    • @Darth_Insidious
      @Darth_Insidious Před 2 měsíci +19

      And because students are filling out hundreds of these, there are hundreds or thousands of applications for every job posting. Which means companies have to come up with even more ways to automate filtering applicants, which means students are forced to fill out even more applications to have a chance of being considered. It's an arms race of inefficiency and inconvenience.

    • @jameskesler6477
      @jameskesler6477 Před měsícem

      @@Darth_Insidiousit’s a vicious cycle… I have LinkedIn Premium which shows how many people have applied to a certain job, and it’s almost always in the hundreds. And most of those applicants probably don’t want that job in particular, they’re just playing the numbers game. The only alternative is networking and trying to find insiders in a company you want to work for who can put your application at the top of the pile.

    • @improvedalpaca3294
      @improvedalpaca3294 Před měsícem +5

      ​@@Darth_Insidious I'm glad someone acknowledges this. Most of 'solutions' people talk about are at best a very temporary way that a couple of people might be able to use for a short time to get head before the becoming saturated and the system adding yet another hoop. They do nothing to solve the fundamental market failure

    • @TryssemTavern
      @TryssemTavern Před měsícem +8

      @@Darth_Insidious
      Which wouldn't be happening if these students were actually getting responses to jobs (and being hired). It's a self full-filling situation.
      Also helps, when these multi-billion dollar corporations don't downsize simply to keep their profit margins sitting pretty in the double digits. I know I am supposed to worship rich people for their accomplishments.
      But I see nothing worth worshiping about someone who hordes money in the same way the woman down the street hordes jars of cat piss.

  • @tracey5324
    @tracey5324 Před 2 měsíci +2800

    There is also a special type of hell when you fill all of this out on a jobseeking website, upload the CV, make a custom cover letter and fill out their exam questions...and then after submitting, the company you applied for MAKES YOU DO IT AGAIN ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE.

    • @kamikeserpentail3778
      @kamikeserpentail3778 Před 2 měsíci +44

      Oh for sure sometimes I think that maybe we are there.
      It's bad enough to crush our spirits but not bad enough for us to actually do something drastic to escape...

    • @purelightapologetics4930
      @purelightapologetics4930 Před 2 měsíci +93

      And then you get harassed by scammers for the rest of your life

    • @ProfTricky3168
      @ProfTricky3168 Před 2 měsíci +40

      Applying on jobseeker websites is a scam. Every single time they won’t get it. It’s much better to do it through their website.

    • @ZebraMetal
      @ZebraMetal Před 2 měsíci +78

      Don't forget about the people interviewing you asking you the same shit AGAIN because they haven't read a single f*cking thing

    • @647586
      @647586 Před 2 měsíci

      @@kamikeserpentail3778 it is for some. we just don't hear their voices because they're not here anymore.

  • @Mukar
    @Mukar Před 2 měsíci +2241

    What's worse is that I can almost guarantee that none of these 3 applications were seriously looked at and all were almost immediate rejections with no interview. 😭

    • @mistahsusan2650
      @mistahsusan2650 Před 2 měsíci +325

      and the companies probably sold his info he put into the application ...

    • @dinamiteurdinamiteur2324
      @dinamiteurdinamiteur2324 Před 2 měsíci +19

      Obviously
      That was done ôce your didnt checked one of my familly memeber work there or i worked there previously
      They take 90% of new recruits in that pile

    • @anelbegic2780
      @anelbegic2780 Před 2 měsíci +49

      Definetly. They lpoked at the application didn't see the key words and numbers they wanted (sometimes shot they don't even tell you, btw), and just simply ignored it because you are not their guy...right before they hire the person they have a relationship cpnndction to or a more veteran employee who did the job before for 2 or more years in another company already.
      Why did they even need to ask for an application again, at that point?

    • @InTecknicolour
      @InTecknicolour Před 2 měsíci +35

      no call, no email, no interview, no chance to even convince people you can do the job.

    • @Crazmuss
      @Crazmuss Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@InTecknicolour why would you want to work in a place like that?

  • @chiplangowski3298
    @chiplangowski3298 Před 2 měsíci +97

    The really insidious thing is that once you do find a job, it only takes a decade or two before you are then too old and they target you for lay offs. And once you are laid-off as an older worker, you will never be considered for a position no matter what your skills are or how much experience you have.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov Před 2 měsíci +2

      Brutal Agepill

    • @SnowieShiba
      @SnowieShiba Před 2 měsíci +4

      My father is experiencing this after being laid-off, he's now "over-qualified" to do a management position or work a menial job.

    • @JD-ny9qj
      @JD-ny9qj Před měsícem +10

      This is why you give them no loyalty and keep your LinkedIn up and change jobs every few years before they get the chance

  • @superleipoman
    @superleipoman Před 2 měsíci +36

    This why young people don't have "work ethic." When I am in employement, I am only there for myself. You created this. I don't even conceive the concept of loyalty. If I did, it would be in the opposite direction.

  • @brendaryan306
    @brendaryan306 Před 2 měsíci +1052

    When I graduated in the 80's, I sent a personalized cover letter and a copy of my resume to each prospective employer. I was invited to an actual interview and hired within a few weeks as a computer programmer. This new way would drive me insane I have heard the reason why so many job openings don't get filled is because of the clunkiness of these application programs

    • @Lostouille
      @Lostouille Před 2 měsíci +88

      Because they want to discourage a maximum of people , and sometimes it's not even real job hiring notices. Like they re here to complete the law that ask them to """always hire""""

    • @mabus4910
      @mabus4910 Před 2 měsíci +30

      I am currently searching for a job. I wanted to apply to a job online and their form crashed 3 times before I just send them my resume and cover letter per email and asked them to accept it because their site keeps crashing.

    • @traceyg6458
      @traceyg6458 Před 2 měsíci +69

      I still have my replies letters from my 80's job search, most of them are hand written by the Boss and those that had nothing for me, often gave a name and number/ address of somewhere else they knew were recruiting, ALL wished me good luck on my search. Now I'm looking again, aged 60 and I don't even know if my application has been received or not????

    • @joestuttard1495
      @joestuttard1495 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Seems you gotta call and chase, Tracy.
      Good luck with the search

    • @brianmead7556
      @brianmead7556 Před 2 měsíci

      Often they don’t get filled because they’re written by HR people who have no idea what the fuck they’re really asking for.

  • @SecretSquirrelFun
    @SecretSquirrelFun Před 2 měsíci +918

    So tedious. - I helped my daughter to fill out her new graduate nursing application.
    It was over 20 pages, I asked my friend (a nurse of many years) for help and even with 3 of us working on it, it was absolutely infuriating.
    Bad memories indeed

    • @3magikarpinamansuit281
      @3magikarpinamansuit281 Před 2 měsíci +21

      Hope she likes it, Nursing seems to be worse than High School with mean girls clubs.

    • @black_forest_
      @black_forest_ Před 2 měsíci +34

      And thats just one application, people are like "You have to apply at 10 places each day or you dont mean it!"

    • @shadowninja6689
      @shadowninja6689 Před 2 měsíci +11

      What in the blazes could they possibly be asking that takes up 20 pages?!? If they hired you then sure they'll need a lot more information in order to fill out the proper tax/etc. documents, that could maybe be 20+ pages of stuff. But for applying for a job that's just nuts.

    • @SvendleBerries
      @SvendleBerries Před 2 měsíci +14

      @@shadowninja6689
      These companies make it nearly impossible to apply or even get noticed by the employer, then they complain that "nobody wants to work" lol

    • @hugofontes5708
      @hugofontes5708 Před 2 měsíci +8

      ​@@SvendleBerrieshuh, that almost makes it sound like they are intentionally making it look harder to hire people than it is so companies are convinced they need them. So they can keep it looking harder and harder to hire. Weird indeed

  • @Cunashi009
    @Cunashi009 Před 2 měsíci +75

    The people in higher up positions have no reason for being there.
    They constantly complain no one wants to work but will also use the excuse "so many applications yours must have gotten lost / weren't selected" as the postion still remains online.
    They will holdout for the cheapest option then be surprised when it doesn't work out.

  • @EspyMelly
    @EspyMelly Před 2 měsíci +32

    The job market is a complete joke. It's been driven to the ground so hard it's cracking through the other side. Employers complain that nobody wants to work because they don't realize that the systems they put in place to find workers are utterly broken and completely unusable, and if the worker DOES manage to get the job, they realize they're expected to do far more than what they signed up and are being underpaid for.

  • @oxenforde
    @oxenforde Před 3 měsíci +959

    My father once told me, “If you ever want an education-go to your office, close the door, pick up the phone, and try to call yourself. You’ll be horrified.”
    The new version is, “If you ever want an education-go to your office, close the door, fire up the computer, and try to apply for your job. You’ll be horrified.”
    I mean-if you tried to call yourself, you would be horrified by the voice-mail maze: “Press 1”, “Press 2”, “For English, press 3”, “Your call is important, so we will place you on-hold for 45 minutes“, etc.
    (Edited: added the preceding paragraph. Several people didn’t seem to understand my father’s point.)

    • @RetiredRhetoricalWarhorse
      @RetiredRhetoricalWarhorse Před 2 měsíci +30

      I read this three times and I must admit I don't get it... The first part, that is.

    • @libiith
      @libiith Před 2 měsíci +13

      @@RetiredRhetoricalWarhorseI don’t either… what the heck does this mean lol

    • @FulloutPostal
      @FulloutPostal Před 2 měsíci +76

      @@libiith it means, call your company and go through the process required to be put through to the person doing your job.
      from "press 1 if you require x" to "describe your problem to our shitty voice recognition software" to "if you want to talk to an actual human being, please hold the line"

    • @Rising_Pho3nix_23
      @Rising_Pho3nix_23 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Try to call yourself? I assume he didn't mean that literally, otherwise I'd have a couple followup questions. What did he mean?

    • @DoritoBot9000
      @DoritoBot9000 Před 2 měsíci +1

      What does it have to do with getting an (I am assuming) academic education in any field? I mean, you still need that degree in order to start making any calls, or what am I missing?

  • @bambiholmes
    @bambiholmes Před 2 měsíci +1043

    wait until you get an automated "NO" from every single one of those

    • @manoflead643
      @manoflead643 Před 2 měsíci +74

      Why would they take the time to tell you no?

    • @connordavis5086
      @connordavis5086 Před 2 měsíci +93

      Wait until you never get an automatic rejection email.

    • @screamingopossum7809
      @screamingopossum7809 Před 2 měsíci

      @@manoflead643 To give the illusion that someone looked at your application.

    • @Shastasnow
      @Shastasnow Před 2 měsíci +32

      Or, you met our standard, but unfortunately, we filled out the position. Please apply again next year.

    • @luanamendes1710
      @luanamendes1710 Před 2 měsíci +7

      "we are so happy but ...............
      NO.
      dont fell sad your CV will be in our database" always something like that lol

  • @Rising_Pho3nix_23
    @Rising_Pho3nix_23 Před 2 měsíci +71

    Send this to those people who say "Just send out 20 or 30 applications per day. It's easy."
    I had one application for a minimum wage job that took over 2 hours. I had an application for Subway Sandwiches that required me to "list the subjects of study in your elementary school". IDK, noodle necklaces and finger painting?

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov Před 2 měsíci +10

      PhD in dandelion picking

    • @Rising_Pho3nix_23
      @Rising_Pho3nix_23 Před 2 měsíci +8

      @maalikserebryakov single handedly reprioritized agricultural resources, resulting in the improvement of local citizens lives, with low overhead and fast and efficient export of resources to the end user.
      Aka: picking flowers

    • @Rising_Pho3nix_23
      @Rising_Pho3nix_23 Před 2 měsíci

      @@maalikserebryakovFrom chatgpt on "picking flowers"
      Coordinated the meticulous selection and harvesting of delicate botanical specimens, employing a strategic approach to optimize the allocation of agricultural assets. Facilitated a paradigm shift in resource management, culminating in tangible enhancements to the quality of life for community members. Executed a streamlined export process, ensuring the swift and seamless delivery of floral resources to consumers, all while maintaining cost-effectiveness and operational efficiency.

    • @AnnekeOosterink
      @AnnekeOosterink Před měsícem +2

      I had to fill in an online application where they asked for experience and motivation, essentially a part of the cover letter, but they had a character limit. Okay, you want short and to the point answers I guess? Then I had to upload my CV, then I had to fill out my personal details like previous employers and previous experience, and then I got another box where they asked for experience and motivation, this time with no character limit. Why am I answering the same question over and over? Just read my damned CV.

  • @dramir5953
    @dramir5953 Před 2 měsíci +24

    I have an MD and MSc, both in medicine, it's been 2 years, 10,000+ applications, ALL are rejected...
    Changed my CV countless of times, did EVERYTHING under the sun to no avail.
    It's a merciless world out here...

  • @vampirehunter21
    @vampirehunter21 Před 2 měsíci +1255

    That's just filling out the applications look at the job requirements. I applied for a entery level it position and it required 3 years of experience. I made it to the interview were I sat down for 2 hrs just to be told at the end. That they'd love to hire me but I don't have the experience. When I asked then why did you want an interview. They told me that they wanted to meet me. I asked why a entery level posted has a 3 year experience requirements and all I got was silence. I thanks them for wasting my time and told them good luck finding someone who has 3 years experience willing to take a lower paying job.

    • @WorldWalker128
      @WorldWalker128 Před 2 měsíci +135

      Spoilers: They won't.

    • @StabbedPerson
      @StabbedPerson Před 2 měsíci +214

      Very common tactic to make conflicting requirements on the application. They know damn well there are exactly zero people on the planet with 3+ years of experience looking for low-paying entry-level work. That's the whole point. They do this so they can always have a "valid reason" for rejecting anyone who they feel like they don't like, i.e., people they feel they won't be able to screw over as easily, or maybe people the boss doesn't find as physically attractive, or even maybe if they're actually just racist or something and use it as a way to reject all, say, black people or something.

    • @3magikarpinamansuit281
      @3magikarpinamansuit281 Před 2 měsíci +48

      @@StabbedPerson Also bosses think they can get by on the workers they have and using that as a way to keep their bosses of their back about hiring more. (source was the last hire before a boss did this)

    • @black_forest_
      @black_forest_ Před 2 měsíci +44

      Yup, had that too, went through two interviews for an entry job ("might be a great opportunity from something just finishing university" - posting) and in the end they said, sorry, youre a great fit but we went with someone with experience. Cool.

    • @RamenBowl2.0
      @RamenBowl2.0 Před 2 měsíci +28

      Listen just lie, if they ask for references give them a phone number of a friend or even your parents. Either you'll be fired and nothing really changes or you actually do well and keep the job. No matter what you're going to have a net neutral or positive

  • @gulli72
    @gulli72 Před 2 měsíci +713

    "Make every executive go through the process once a year," really means: "Make every executive _make his assistant_ go through the process once a year."

    • @Khangel
      @Khangel Před 2 měsíci +82

      As. A former executive assistant, they don’t listen to our feedback.

    • @Mary-Ann_B_Mabaet
      @Mary-Ann_B_Mabaet Před měsícem +15

      If only they actually cared. Maybe then the companies would be by humans, for humans. Not by Dissociated Human in Money Acquisition Lead, for Desperate People in an Imbalanced Financial Society who Need Money to Survive.

    • @logancontracier7125
      @logancontracier7125 Před měsícem +5

      @@Khangelamen brother. I was maintenance for a dealership and boy they ignored everything that I said needed fixed. These executives are arrogant people

    • @guillermorobledo2842
      @guillermorobledo2842 Před měsícem +2

      So the exec is useless... typical.

  • @Eyelash85
    @Eyelash85 Před 2 měsíci +20

    One of the most difficult things is to convince your family (parents and grandparents) the times have changed. Today, finding a good job and a good partner is just too difficult.

  • @shaelynmartin1996
    @shaelynmartin1996 Před 2 měsíci +8

    The biggest issue I've been running into with my job search after getting my degree is literally just been places wanting a Bachelor's Degree and 5+ years experience for ENTRY level jobs. For internships, it's Bachelor's Degree and 3+ years experience. Unpaid internships? Bachelor's Degree.

  • @davinasquirrel7672
    @davinasquirrel7672 Před 2 měsíci +981

    Not just graduate applications - in the last few years, regular applications have gone this way. All the same issues.
    And surprise, surprise - EVERY one of these horrid online applications has resulted in zero response. Not even polite enough for a rejection 'email'. FFS
    I am thankful I am just a few years off retirement.

    • @Wolftatze
      @Wolftatze Před 2 měsíci +66

      I have been personally contacted by companies for my resumee, because they were desperately looking for new workers. After that and a brief phone call, most of them never answer back. Not even to say "you were not selected".
      It seriously can't be that bad for companies if those are their recruitment strategies.

    • @0118killer
      @0118killer Před 2 měsíci +41

      @@Wolftatze It's the same way with trades, all you ever hear about is the lack of workers. I've talked to bosses, companies, and unions for about a year. All they said was "wait we will get to you" or "don't worry i got you, i know the head/lead guy." Never got anything but a letter some months later saying we saw you apply and are now on a list please wait. So it cant be that bad, all these so called "issues" seem to be self inflicted fuckem.

    • @NameIsDoc
      @NameIsDoc Před 2 měsíci +18

      during 2019 i was laid off due to budget cuts. At one point I sent out 60 applications a day (although with cookie cutter cover letters) of the hundreds of applications I sent out. only a scant handful sent me a rejection letter. I personally thanked each one. and actually thanking one landed me a job when I applied to a different position int he same company

    • @NameIsDoc
      @NameIsDoc Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@Wolftatze Apparently I learned sending a rejection letter can put the company at legal risk as some people use it as justification you didn't hire them because X reason. so they don't send them unless you are seriously considered.

    • @laurafreeland7800
      @laurafreeland7800 Před 2 měsíci +18

      A lot of job applications for just basic no skill jobs have been like this for YEARS! Try applying at a retail store or even a restaurant position. You have to create an account just to fill out the application, go through a long process involving trick questions and you never hear anything back from anyone. There is no point to this other than to frustrate you

  • @kafka6309
    @kafka6309 Před 6 měsíci +671

    Now go through that for months to a couple of years straight whilst having your parents berate you saying you need to find a job.

    • @travelwell6049
      @travelwell6049 Před 3 měsíci +124

      It’s not just the “get a job” it’s the suggestion you’re lazy.
      After getting to the top of my career at 24 I went self-employed and still had parents telling me to get a job. My sister was cutting job adverts out of the newspaper and giving them to me and in the end I went and worked with my Dad to shut them all up.

    • @stampandscrap7494
      @stampandscrap7494 Před 3 měsíci +42

      Get your parents to fill in your applications.

    • @efficient_pluto
      @efficient_pluto Před 2 měsíci +68

      Tell me about it! It's even worse when your parents themselves are close to retirement and haven't had to look for a job in decades. No matter how hard I'm trying to explain to them that the entire job market has become worse and that it is so much harder to land a job in the first place, they always make feel bad about it. Yeah, because I totally enjoy being unemployed and you calling me lazy for it 🙄

    • @vulcanitu2578
      @vulcanitu2578 Před 2 měsíci

      Top of the carrier at 24 and your parents considered you jobless? What​@@travelwell6049

    • @xenofalcon
      @xenofalcon Před 2 měsíci +6

      Same boat bud, stay strong. We'll get that breakthrough.

  • @kaneworsnop1007
    @kaneworsnop1007 Před 2 měsíci +12

    The thing with these applications is they dont find the most dedicated, most qualified people, onky the most desperate are willing to fill them out.

  • @NeonPixels81
    @NeonPixels81 Před 2 měsíci +8

    I live in Japan and here, outside of Tokyo, they still are very mistrustful of online job applications. You can still walk into a business, CV in hand, and get a handshake and a brief conversation with a manager. I’ve gotten all of my jobs here by just going to the place I want to work and being very clear about why I want to work there and what I bring to the table.

    • @ap4702
      @ap4702 Před 2 měsíci

      In the UK they take your CV and bin it when you're on the way out.

    • @NeonPixels81
      @NeonPixels81 Před 2 měsíci

      @@ap4702 in the US they don’t even wait until you’re on the way out, they do it while telling you they’ll take a look at it lol

  • @mrg7405
    @mrg7405 Před 6 měsíci +725

    This is beautiful to see because parents simply dont get how soul crushing this is. I assume you saw ones where they want you fill out every single module you did at university with every grade?

    • @Ben-Askins
      @Ben-Askins  Před 6 měsíci +243

      That was the second one, most ridiculous system I have ever seen

    • @hamishadamson4628
      @hamishadamson4628 Před 3 měsíci +56

      I've seen my children go through this madness. Personally I started my career with a full day interview process, with coding tests etc. Second job offer was during an informal chat with someone I met in a queue for lunch at a job fair, before the lunch was over. Since then a few years contracting and my current job I was headhunted for. My CV hasn't been touched for 20 years.
      Hopefully this will be the same for current graduates once they get past the insanity of getting their first job.

    • @DW11111
      @DW11111 Před 3 měsíci

      @@hamishadamson4628it wont. This complex hoop jumping is part of the scheme to be able to ensure a company has the correct amount of "diversity" in their workforce. If they made the process easy and streamlined it would be easy to see when they're rejecting candidates simply for being white males. With all these layers of tedium and obfuscation (along with the oh-so-cherished "behavioural interview" that has FA with whether or not you can do the jobs you've said you've done on your CV) they can disqualify someone simply for not filling it out properly especially if they didn't check any diversity boxes.

    • @tyujivulpus
      @tyujivulpus Před 2 měsíci

      If one continues allowing faceless industry to dictate the illusion that one must compete & prostitute oneself because some others will do it for less, then yes one pursues a soul crushing. Only way to change the machine is just change the shape of the cogs in it.

    • @blktauna
      @blktauna Před 2 měsíci +50

      @@hamishadamson4628 sadly it is not. You were incredibly fortumate

  • @cdarklock
    @cdarklock Před 2 měsíci +1412

    The video interview is how they check for gender, race, ethnicity, and accent. In the US, it's illegal to ask about any of those things, so they just make you show them.

    • @awrsish
      @awrsish Před 2 měsíci +59

      awesome. so cool. 🤩 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠

    • @alexoceanmeow
      @alexoceanmeow Před 2 měsíci +117

      Can companies doing this be reported? Bc I'm 99.99% sure you can report them. Also this is reminding me of the guy who's name is actually Juan but he started putting John on his resumes. :/

    • @PistolSovereign
      @PistolSovereign Před 2 měsíci +25

      that is so sneaky

    • @brandonz404
      @brandonz404 Před 2 měsíci +154

      The law makes it so you can't directly ask. A video isn't against the law, but we all know what's really going on.

    • @kevinsmail3701
      @kevinsmail3701 Před 2 měsíci +44

      Every application I've ever seen and filled out has asked about race\ethnicity...

  • @KelciaMarie1
    @KelciaMarie1 Před měsícem +14

    I once had to fill out an enormous 20 page application including a "leadership quiz" for a position as a RESTAURANT HOSTESS.
    I didn't get the job. I got the job where i walked in the door, handed them my resume, and got a phonecall that afternoon asking for an interview.
    But you cant even do that anymore. Last time I was unemployed, I tried the pounding the pavement approach. Every time, I was told to fill out the online application. And i never heard back from most of them.

  • @mypointofview1111
    @mypointofview1111 Před 2 měsíci +9

    When my son left school he applied to an agency for a job and was asked what his graduate qualifications are. His response was, how many school leavers do you know that have a degree?
    The media and companies want us to believe they're desperate to recruit. The truth is companies aren't interested in recruiting and media are liars. Then you wonder why so many people prefer to have their own businesses rather than submit to the caprices of companies

  • @impguardwarhamer
    @impguardwarhamer Před 2 měsíci +719

    2 things:
    1) These 3 jobs are on the good end, most applications require you to write a few thousand words worth of answering boring but unique questions that you need to tailor to each job.
    2) This isn't just grad schemes. You need to go through all of this just to work at Tesco.

    • @ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs
      @ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs Před 2 měsíci +69

      Walmart has a 50+ question personality test as well. I was rejected as a night stocker for being "too team oriented," as if that makes any sense. Hiring manager said to my face that they want people who only care about their assigned task, not teamwork. So... you want one row stocked?

    • @shiinakochiya6068
      @shiinakochiya6068 Před 2 měsíci

      @ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs Sounds like they're trying to weed out people who might be interested in unionization and collective action. =/

    • @lepidoptery
      @lepidoptery Před 2 měsíci +56

      ​@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs maybe they don't want employees to build a rapport with one another and get any scary ideas about ~unionization~

    • @sadscientisthououinkyouma1867
      @sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 Před 2 měsíci +9

      @@lepidoptery As someone who has worked as a walmart stocker, unionization would have been far worse than the bullshit I had to deal with. As for why @ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs was likely rejected it's because as a night stocker your main job is to stock shelves alone. You take a the product on the floor and you stock it regardless of who is with you or not, now while the personality test is bullshit I can understand the concern of hiring someone who only works good in teams for a position like a stocker (which the personality test fails to establish).
      It's surprising to learn about for some people, but stockers are only in groups when someone gets their job done early or there is little to do.

    • @laytonpro8655
      @laytonpro8655 Před měsícem +6

      Can confirm, I’ve applied to Tesco 3 times in my short life time, once at 17, once at 19 and most recently at 22, the process was needlessly hard for all three and never heard back. My gran literally worked at Tesco and coached me through my first application with no response

  • @Asbvgelpkjrakalfhdbenals
    @Asbvgelpkjrakalfhdbenals Před 2 měsíci +703

    “The illusion you might one day be on the property market” just drive a stake through my heart huh

    • @lordsathariel4384
      @lordsathariel4384 Před 2 měsíci +11

      dude is blade out here finishing off the vampire population with hard truths

    • @20tigerpaw20
      @20tigerpaw20 Před 2 měsíci

      bit familiar to how things where 200 years ago huh?
      almost like it never ended...the wealthy just figured out a way to make it more subtle.

    • @ProjectAtlasmodling
      @ProjectAtlasmodling Před 2 měsíci

      i'm a surprise home owner

    • @dansmith2863
      @dansmith2863 Před 2 měsíci

      It is easy to get on the property market.

    • @liamcroatt171
      @liamcroatt171 Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@@dansmith2863 Ha yeah right. There's absolutely no freaking way someone in my position can ever do that without an actual miracle. It's almost impossible for your average young person to make that happen, then there's people like me with disabilities, and you're just at the mercy of the world around you.

  • @FlorianHWave
    @FlorianHWave Před 2 měsíci +10

    And yet companies wonder why they can't find qualified people, and why unemployment is so high.

    • @ap4702
      @ap4702 Před 2 měsíci

      The issue is that companies want people with experience and no company is willing to take in grads and train them. The cycle repeats and neither the company or the students get anywhere.

  • @vanilleteelicht5105
    @vanilleteelicht5105 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Thanks man, as a graduate looking for my first job now, this video kinda made my day
    It's discouraging to go to sleep on a Sunday, knowing that rejection letters are on its way when I woke up, life must go on, but it's always nice to hear that I'm not the only one thinking that

  • @especedelapin
    @especedelapin Před 2 měsíci +335

    I got 87 rejections over the course of 8 month for my internship mandatory for my degree.
    The worse one being called for two interview then no answer for 3 WEEKS despite calling them back only to hear "we will contact you in three to five day". When they finally called me they wanted a THIRD interview over the phone this time then 10 days later finally called me just to say that someone else got the job........ That was two months of my life utterly wasted. You can't make this shit up.
    I got my internship at the other side of my country and I was accepted three day after the deadline of the school, the only reason I passed was because my teachers pitied me. About a tenth of my promotion had to redo their entire year because they couldn't find a damn internship.

    • @RePorpoised
      @RePorpoised Před 2 měsíci +13

      Yeah, I'm probably headed in that situation too. We were talking to an industry professional, and while he might have been saying it to gas up motivating students to go to his university, he also legitimately brought up that right now is kind of disastrous for getting internships, due to layoffs everywhere leading to a surplus of experienced workers in the field out of work. Nobody's seeking new talent right now.

    • @kino6395
      @kino6395 Před 2 měsíci +5

      I've been exactly where you were, I lost count when I hit 70 applications.
      It's honestly stupid

    • @Mary-Ann_B_Mabaet
      @Mary-Ann_B_Mabaet Před měsícem

      @@RePorpoised Agreed. There's Jobs but they really don't care about hiring, especially for Talent / Skill / Experience. Once, over 10 years ago, I remember a Shop had a "Hiring Sign" on their Window and they just said "Oh, that's just there. We're not actually hiring." I presume some jobs are always up so they can fire other people immediately and replace them ASAP.
      It's gotten worse since then, too. People want jobs, people want money to live their lives to the fullest -- this will always be. People want unstressful jobs that cater to their best skills and experience. If it's too stressful, that's more money down to Health Insurance that you don't want to put down extra money for.
      If Cities and Towns had a List of Jobs with Categorical Measures of Types of Positions at all times, it would be interesting to see the flow of Necessary Jobs in the Future. The concept of planning now to try for a Position that MAY be 150% filled by the time you're done learning is daunting, a waste of time energy and resources, and quite harrowing of an experience.

  • @PAHighlander24
    @PAHighlander24 Před 2 měsíci +297

    I worked for a company that was bought out by a Brazilian company. When they wanted to hire an engineer they interviewed a dozen applicants, putting them through psychological tests, ethics tests, multiple interviews over 3 days. The entire application process had nothing to do with their engineering training until the engineering manager had 30 minutes to interview each applicant to find out what his/her technical background and interests were. His interview was the only part of the process that had any relevance to the position being filled. In the end, HR ignored his recommendation and hired the least competent engineer based on their tests for management potential. The engineering position was purely technical, having no direct reports to lead and management potential wasn’t a required aptitude. We needed a competent nerd to perform tests and calculations, not someone to be groomed for upper management advancement. Guess what? After 6 months on the job the guy hired quit because the job was “too boring!” All that vetting process wasted the time of a dozen applicants and our department needs went unfilled.

    • @IM-dy8wo
      @IM-dy8wo Před 2 měsíci

      HR is mainly filled with 100-110 IQ women. Expect poor decision making if you allow them to dictate hiring (a leadership trait) rather than merely perform secretarial/administrative duties (which is all they're good for on the best of days).

    • @antoniocampos5638
      @antoniocampos5638 Před 2 měsíci +13

      Sounds about right, specially (not exclusively) for a Brazilian company.
      Then there's the joke in Brazil about people getting engineering degrees to drive for Uber.
      Complete waste of time and money.
      I'll just put that engineering degree somewhere safe and never use it.
      People are just about done with all this nonsense. No future in working for any big company.

  • @gundarcs
    @gundarcs Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thank you for doing a video on this. I graduated last July and it's so depressing having to go through these for months on end with either no response or a flat rejection after waiting weeks for a response. Nice to know my feelings of disdain for grad and junior application processes are valid

  • @NOVAZ3N
    @NOVAZ3N Před 2 měsíci +10

    This isn't even just graduate jobs. This is every job nowadays

  • @adamgill3320
    @adamgill3320 Před 2 měsíci +526

    As an older man I've been through the old friendly chat interview right up to the modern process and it all boils down to money. The more they can make the applicant do the less their own staff have to do in the vetting process, thereby saving them money. It doesn't occur to them that they're tilting the system towards those who are good at the job application skill rather than the job

    • @Akanisen049
      @Akanisen049 Před 2 měsíci +83

      That's seriously the truth. I've been able to get jobs within a week compared to my friends who used to take a month (I helped them which sped theirs up), all because I spent time to learn how to play the system. I've gotten jobs I was not qualified for a few times, all because I could play the system (and thus the companies) for a fool 😒

    • @adamgill3320
      @adamgill3320 Před 2 měsíci +62

      @@Akanisen049 While I admire your skill and virtue in helping your friends it worries me that we've essentially handed over important recruitment decisions to algorithms rather than rational judgement. I hope companies wake up to this before it causes real problems.

    • @TheBaldr
      @TheBaldr Před 2 měsíci +10

      The amount of data they can sell especially with automated video interviews because technically it is not part of the application and part of the interview process.

    • @Jenkkimie
      @Jenkkimie Před 2 měsíci +22

      While I am still quite new to my own industry (software), I have gotten high grades and high praise for my technical skills by my employees over the few years I've worked in the industry. Whenever I've applied to a new job position and I've seen those kinds of applications, I've dreaded. They ask a bunch of irrelevant questions and it just makes me not want to apply to beginwith. I'll gladly give detail on my technical skills but don't insult my intelligence and waste both of our times by asking nonsense, please.

    • @HSuper_Lee
      @HSuper_Lee Před 2 měsíci +33

      Reminds me of one of the Discworld books where there's a nation that determines everyone's career by how well they write poetry. The result is a lot of terrible blacksmiths who are really good at writing poems about flowers.

  • @abel6846
    @abel6846 Před 2 měsíci +450

    And when you DO get a job, you get to look forward to the annual ‘Employee Satisfaction Survey’. I’ve some beauties with 100+ questions, containing gems like; ‘do you get along with your colleagues?’. HR depts are the worst!

    • @cathygrandstaff1957
      @cathygrandstaff1957 Před 2 měsíci

      Well HR departments are staffed with people who failed out of every other job and have to listen to people whine to them about their co-workers. I’m fairly sure half of them want to burn the world to the ground and salt the earth so civilization doesn’t regrow.

    • @Jaegerrants
      @Jaegerrants Před 2 měsíci +11

      Yeah filling those is annoying, but as a team lead it does allow people anonymity to tell things they don't want to say to face, though the older hands do not have that caveat and just come straight to me to complain of an issue.

    • @notabannedaccount8362
      @notabannedaccount8362 Před 2 měsíci +79

      @@Jaegerrants Don't lie. It's never anonymous. Co-workers have been singled out and burned on those.

    • @Jaegerrants
      @Jaegerrants Před 2 měsíci

      @@notabannedaccount8362 I don't kindly to be called liar and my honour questioned, so be happy anonymity of internet protects you. And at least the software my company uses leaves no clues who answered what, and since it compiles the whole team in the results, I can only use it to see trends and how many of which score was given. could I try to figure out who they are, maybe but with the ammount of effort that takes, I'd rather fix it. Besides I'm not a white collar ivory tower boss, Blue collars rule, union reps and white collars can kiss my hairy arse, most of them haven't done a day of the work they proclaim expertise in.

    • @TheMonkeystick
      @TheMonkeystick Před 2 měsíci +2

      Annual? I've had some that were *monthly*

  • @dinhoff583
    @dinhoff583 Před 2 měsíci +6

    I remember applying for an internship for an entry-level IT position.
    There were an application form to fill out and then 1 test they asked me to take.
    After which they asked me to take part in 2 separate interviews.
    After 2 days and quite a lot of effort they ghosted me.
    Wow, love it.

  • @AnasatisTiMiniatis
    @AnasatisTiMiniatis Před 2 měsíci +10

    The exam score list is what got me. How are they expecting a 15 year old kid to know to and keep track of every exam they took. If you had asked me how many exams I took in the last 2 years at 17 years old, I would have had no idea.

    • @tkralva.6668
      @tkralva.6668 Před 2 měsíci

      Your GCSEs your A-levels, or equivalent.
      Ie. End of KS4 and KS5, qualifications.
      Then your degree.
      Quite simple, and those are certificates you should keep, as even at age 50 I still have to prove that I have Maths and English GCSEs.
      So, why is it difficult?
      Remember these are for first full time jobs.

    • @AnasatisTiMiniatis
      @AnasatisTiMiniatis Před 2 měsíci +1

      @tkralva.6668 I think it's a difference between the UK and the US. There's no certificate for standardized tests, and it's difficult to impossible to request old results. Pretty much all I have are SAT scores.
      End of semester exams are not standardized, and retrieving those scores is a fools errand.

  • @cheesepie4ever
    @cheesepie4ever Před 6 měsíci +365

    You didn't even get into the "iq" style assesments, in person assesment centres and 5-6 stage assesment stages, writing cover letters, HR using AI tools to evaluate your performance, pointless "psychological tests", coding interviews etc. Its way more chambolic than you described here.
    My friend got to the final interview stage, but the interview clashed with his final exam for the year, so they just stopped his application instead of rescheduling it!

    • @reflectingPastChoices
      @reflectingPastChoices Před 2 měsíci +42

      I once had to do an IQ-type math test... I'M AN ARTIST.
      And it's not that it wasn't enjoyable, I love these types of puzzles... just not when I'm applying to for a 3D animation job (or any job at all, jesus christ)

    • @superleipoman
      @superleipoman Před 2 měsíci +21

      > Scores really high on assesment test
      > still doesnt get selected for interview
      > it's not even a top tier job
      ?????

    • @shirothefish9688
      @shirothefish9688 Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@@superleipomantoo qualified, they feared they'd have to pay well.

  • @stuartgrier5605
    @stuartgrier5605 Před 3 měsíci +309

    I remember when I was a student, i my final year at University in 1992, I took part in The Milk Round. I was interviewed for HP - Hewlett Packard - I did not get the role , after 3 rounds of interviews.
    I found out that HP did not employ anyone, and used the Milk Round as a method of training their interviewers.

    • @elivai
      @elivai Před 3 měsíci +91

      That tracks, HP is a hideously unethical company that consistently puts out atrocious products. Unsurprising that they were doing nonsense like this from the very beginning.

    • @BlueJadeU
      @BlueJadeU Před 2 měsíci +22

      Diabolical.

    • @WorldWalker128
      @WorldWalker128 Před 2 měsíci +19

      That is disgusting.

    • @FirstnameLastnames
      @FirstnameLastnames Před 2 měsíci +6

      And this is one more reason I'll never buy HP again.

    • @stuartgrier5605
      @stuartgrier5605 Před 2 měsíci

      @@FirstnameLastnames
      I have to disagree, HP printers, especially their laser printers are brilliant, I dont like their inkjets. Also, their laptops are very good from an engineering point of view, miles better than the Dells we are forced to use because our parent company approves of them.
      Give me an HP laptop any day of the week.

  • @nedbates
    @nedbates Před měsícem +2

    Notwithstanding your frustration, Ben, the process DOES foreshadow the profundity of corporate pettiness and bullshit that applicants could (and should) expect for their entire professional lives. What a great deterrent! I wonder what their hiring percentage is if eager, young (but easily distracted) applicants were to actually NOT get frustrated and COMPLETE the application process!!

  • @plaisirdelanglais
    @plaisirdelanglais Před 2 měsíci +2

    And this is why when I moved to France, after a year of this dreadful process, I decided to start my own business. Never looked back and now I get to look through each CV and get compliments when people are asked relevant and interesting questions. My team is awesome!

  • @user-gt4bk2qh3z
    @user-gt4bk2qh3z Před 6 měsíci +488

    As a recent Scottish grad, these applications are even worse for us. The high school sections are almost always only set up for A levels and GCSEs and often physically it is impossible to input your Scottish exams. And for university, most systems cannot grasp that in Scotland it is a 4 year programme, not 3. It is ridiculous to apply for a job in Scotland and have to select “other” for your Scottish qualifications

    • @rachelscott7348
      @rachelscott7348 Před 3 měsíci +2

      its a nightmare!

    • @barbarat5729
      @barbarat5729 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Would you mind clarifying a bit? Does graduate mean the same as a four year Bachelor degree in the US? Or does it mean graduate school as in post graduate Master's studies?

    • @fattysl26
      @fattysl26 Před 3 měsíci +13

      ​@barbarat5729 Yeah, graduates in the UK refers to people that have completed a bachelors degree.

    • @9Curtana
      @9Curtana Před 2 měsíci

      Flipping funny.😂

    • @JDYTC
      @JDYTC Před 2 měsíci +5

      I still cannot comprehend why Wales and Scotland are not independent countries 🇬🇧

  • @lotsaspaghetticodejr.6488
    @lotsaspaghetticodejr.6488 Před 2 měsíci +236

    Fun Fact:
    All of those questions you are asked to fill out prior to actually submitting your resume are actually designed to filter applicants out of the market.
    So unfortunately most people actually toss their resume in the bin before they even get to submit it, purely by their answers.
    One such example is grammer and punctuation. The site can use AI to look, not at the content of your answers, but HOW you answered. For example, let's say you have the following question:
    "In what year did you graduate college, and where did you graduate?"
    Some people might write something such as:
    "columbia university, 2014"
    The AI can look at that and determine you didn't capitalize Columbia University, nor did you answer "correctly". You were asked the year first, not the college. This shows you can't follow instructions.
    So if you wrote
    "2014, Columbia University"
    You'd be accepted as the "correct answer"

    • @maxmikester8185
      @maxmikester8185 Před 2 měsíci +76

      1984 levels of disturbing. Won’t accept you unless you are the perfect obedient little sheep.

    • @Gaswafers
      @Gaswafers Před 2 měsíci

      Sounds like what they really want is to have their inboxes flooded with machine-generated applications. Somebody should just give them what they want and the issue will be resolved.

    • @jomarcentermjm
      @jomarcentermjm Před 2 měsíci

      @@maxmikester8185 The weirdest thing is "Columbia university, 2014" is the correct method that we were taught in school. It was designed to failed but the dumbest of people and just follow orders.

    • @Slidius
      @Slidius Před 2 měsíci +13

      I know its to filter out “unwanted” applicants its whats the animation and game’s development industry has been doing for years but tbh its just so unnecessary and now these hoops ppl have to jump in more professional level or higher education level jobs is now bleeding into other job fields where it’s just 100% unnecessary or pushing for more intrusive requirements or information, like over here there were retail jobs that required years ago to have your facebook page 😐 and if you didnt have one you had to make one, it was stupid got massive backlash and i still don’t know if that was made illegal to ask for something like that but probably not.
      I think in general all these hoops and loops they make us regardless of the job is just rude and unnecessary, they should only want our job experiences and cv and other information like criminal history nothing else, if we keep letting companies and employers asking for more and pushing were going to get to a point where one percent or less of applicants get interviewed and more than half not getting hired. Like ive seen ppl asking for the most ridiculous shit like 30 year’s experience as art *insert role* and all it does is put off new ppl from applying and even trying in general because so many jobs want you to have years of experience but you cant find a studio or job to just get into to get that experience its so frustrating and yes i know its to filter ppl but its so stupid and counterproductive as you could be scaring off highly talented ppl by being a picky snob

    • @Gaswafers
      @Gaswafers Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Slidius That's not "filtering applicants", that's a straight-up datamining scheme. The jobs don't actually exist and companies are just collecting free revenue from the information provided by clueless jobseekers.

  • @senshi_dev_art
    @senshi_dev_art Před 2 měsíci +9

    As an European 23 year old, I've only got 2 jobs, both call center, not my area of expertise mind you, first job held me for 3 months in an exploitive cycle before getting me fire for holding my contract rights to heart, second job held me for nearly 6 months, fired me on my birthday the exactly day i came out of vacation after because i was merely hanging to the minimum required for the job due to bad circumstances of the job. Ive entered the job force for 2 years now and ive worked nearly 9 months from those 2 years.
    Currently im still unemployed and i cant even get a job at a supermarket nor get a job to build the experience for my area of expertise that they demand for entry level jobs fir said area. It infuriates me to no end to have all my life plans entirely alted due to all of this. Keep in mind ive sent well over 2000 applications in these 2 years and only 2 jobs accepted me only to throw me away like garbage.

    • @clarakhong1148
      @clarakhong1148 Před 2 měsíci

      what's your area of expertise?

    • @senshi_dev_art
      @senshi_dev_art Před 2 měsíci +1

      @clarakhong1148 Design, 3D and 2D art, level design, 3D Modeling, Graphic Design, videogame development and concept art, it's what my courses gave me

    • @Nithavela
      @Nithavela Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@senshi_dev_artOh, then you're out of luck. That's AI work. Go and learn a trade, it will be a while before those are replaced by robots.

    • @clarakhong1148
      @clarakhong1148 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@senshi_dev_art Are you familiar with programming languages like python? (just familiar, you don't need to be able to program but if you can it's a plus)
      Are you familiar with CAD programs like Revit?
      Can you generate computer graphics?
      Are you stationary (as in you have to absolutely stay at that location)? If yes, where in about?

    • @senshi_dev_art
      @senshi_dev_art Před 2 měsíci

      @Nithavela its no AI work because I doubt companies want everything they make to be copyright free, as by the new laws AI made art is impossible to copyright unless you change at least 60-75% with your own hands. Also from all the stuff I mentioned there is stuff AI can't do yet.

  • @micosstar
    @micosstar Před 2 měsíci +1

    thank you boss for actually experiencing what many youngsters are going through the job search process!
    came from youtube recommend

  • @kiwilemontea4622
    @kiwilemontea4622 Před 2 měsíci +156

    I recently went through the hell of trying to get a job, and it really is soul crushing. You can easily spend ten hours a day filling out redundant forms, answering inapplicable and nonsensical questions, recording "interviews," and then never hear back from anyone for months on end.

    • @monkeybusiness673
      @monkeybusiness673 Před 2 měsíci +17

      That's what messed me up most! The vast majority of my applications never triggered ANY kind of reaction; not even an automated mail saying "Thanks for applying, we received your info." let alone anyone ever giving me any feedback or answer. A lot of places I applied to never even contacted me to tell me they rejected my application. It just ended in limbo somewhere "marked as read". Shows you how valuable your time really is to a lot of companies.

    • @superleipoman
      @superleipoman Před 2 měsíci +3

      Worst part is you cant even hold it against these companies all of the time because for example with some company I applied to multiple jobs and one recruiter was very communicative and the other didn't respond at all, failed to call be back at pre-appointed times etc..

    • @juliejindra1325
      @juliejindra1325 Před 2 měsíci +9

      The expectation is professionalism but they do not in turn act professional.

  • @njcanuck
    @njcanuck Před 3 měsíci +155

    All executives and HR should be required to go through their application process.
    I've done the autofill CV and spent hours correcting and reformatting it.
    Applied for professional job and no place to add my professional designation.
    Filled out one where I had to put my experience for every line of the job description. It had every skill under the sun.
    After being let go for no performance reason (but I coincidentally caught the manager telling a big lie to the team), I'm so glad to be retired and out of this treadmill.

  • @isaiahmumaw
    @isaiahmumaw Před 2 měsíci +5

    I got super lucky with the job I have now, but I applied for many dozens of jobs to get here. Over 90% flat out ignored my resume. A handful sent an automated response. 2 of them actually reached out asking for an interview.

  • @shorttimer874
    @shorttimer874 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I was in software development back in the Eighties when personal computers were a brand new thing. The initial focus was to enable the user to get more done, mainly in the industry I was involved in by reducing filling out the same information on multiple forms, in a simpler way.
    Over time, since software requirements were being decided by managers, the focus has switched from making the user more effective to providing more tools for management.

  • @Stegar
    @Stegar Před 2 měsíci +427

    These are called "How to ensure you scare off good talent 101"

    • @superleipoman
      @superleipoman Před 2 měsíci +59

      When I graduated and started looking for a job I came to realise that companies are not looking for talent. They are looking for people who know how to keep their head down and won't complain when taken advantage of. Talent is an afterthought.

    • @ChrisWijtmans
      @ChrisWijtmans Před 2 měsíci

      they dont care about talent, these businesses are nepotistic. They make the ghost application available to get government grants. If you want a job you need to network and have a direct line with the business. Screw HR scams.

    • @simonmarshall3869
      @simonmarshall3869 Před měsícem +4

      How to get people prepared to Lie

    • @greyspot00
      @greyspot00 Před měsícem +1

      I've heard people say the insane applications weed out lazy applicants.

    • @dcarbs2979
      @dcarbs2979 Před měsícem

      @@greyspot00 If the company wants the sort of people willing to fill this crap out, I'd rather not work there. Must lead to a horrible company culture.

  • @jonathanwessner3456
    @jonathanwessner3456 Před 2 měsíci +185

    Big piece of advice. When writing your resume, and answering their questions, use the EXACT wording in the job advert. Just change it to apply to you Like "You must have experience with this tech"
    Reply with "This job gave me experience with that specific tech"
    BTW, Airbus, for several years, said they couldn't find "qualified engineers" turns out, their computer was tossing all applicants

    • @Kalani_Saiko
      @Kalani_Saiko Před 2 měsíci +12

      That Airbus part really makes me mad. How did they not realise?!

    • @jonathanwessner3456
      @jonathanwessner3456 Před 2 měsíci +31

      @@Kalani_Saiko apparently, they didn't care. You had to match something like 100+ keywords. A reporter, working with an engineer who was qualified, exposed it. They submitted resumes under both their names, (using the engineers info) the actual resume for the engineer didn't get a callback. The "fake" one, using mostly keywords, did. It came out Airbus did it on purpose for some reason

    • @DigitalM00nlight
      @DigitalM00nlight Před 2 měsíci

      @@jonathanwessner3456 In order to qualify for bringing in a foreign worker on a work visa it's often required to prove you couldn't find qualified talent already in the country. A lot of job openings are impossible to fulfill because they're actually for submitting to the government to get cheap foreign workers who are reliant on the company for their ability to stay in the country until they can get permanent residency.
      This allows the company to cut staff costs significantly because depending on jurisdiction the foreign worker isn't entitled to certain benefits so on top of the lower salary, the employer isn't paying the employer's portion of certain programmes such as employment insurance or national pension programmes.

    • @trainguy4798
      @trainguy4798 Před 2 měsíci +3

      "this job gave me experience with specific tech" is not useful for fresh grads like the video is about.

    • @jonathanwessner3456
      @jonathanwessner3456 Před 2 měsíci +12

      @@trainguy4798then you put it in some other way like "took classes specific to this tech" The whole point is to use EXACTLY the words they do. Otherwise, the computer tosses your application and no one ever looks at it

  • @thricicle2865
    @thricicle2865 Před 2 měsíci +2

    The second one you reviewed isn't just something you deal with as a graduate, I remember having to fill in almost all of the things you complained about during A levels as well. It was absolute hell to find the full information of all my GCSE's, but was also asked for proof of completion via photos of all the certificates for every single one, it was absolute hell

  • @diadiaa892
    @diadiaa892 Před 9 dny

    The audio is GREAT btw! Its so crisp and clear!!

  • @foxyroxy6492
    @foxyroxy6492 Před 3 měsíci +184

    Its application forms you fill in in your 60s that ask for all your exam results from 40-50 years ago. I struggle with this at my age! Most of the time, your exam results have absolutely no bearing in the industry I work in.

    • @netherfield2000
      @netherfield2000 Před 3 měsíci +51

      What was the GPA in high school. Thay was 35 years ago. All my teachers are dead. No, I can't get a phone number for a reference

    • @damianwright3690
      @damianwright3690 Před 3 měsíci +8

      I've gotten half way through this video and I'm inclined to reply along the lines of "N/A" or "Totally irrelevant" or even "Fudge Oscar" (only the far less polite version) for so many fields. The information requested is literally irrelevant.
      I'd rather go out and find a job.

    • @theravenousrabbit3671
      @theravenousrabbit3671 Před 3 měsíci +12

      Exactly. What does your high school or college grades have anything to do with operating a CNC machine, plumbing or working retail? Literally nothing.

    • @user-bl9hq2gf6i
      @user-bl9hq2gf6i Před 3 měsíci +17

      well at least you CAN fill them out. I am from another country and half the applications don't allow me to submit anything because we dont have examinations at age 15 and we dont have letter grades. just fiy I did my PhD in the UK in a half government half EU funded science institute. your government paid for my PhD and now I moved back to the EU because it's easier. Less xenophobia, less boris johnson, no brexit BS, but thanks for paying for the PhD :-) it was a top uni as well :D

    • @bonvoyage5377
      @bonvoyage5377 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Ive made up qualifications, never been checked, mind you I left scool in 1973

  • @profilore
    @profilore Před 2 měsíci +462

    Now imagine you have ADHD which means having trouble doing just one repetitive, boring application, forget a hundred
    This is why i am a translator, author and a programmer, and i still dont have a job.

    • @winstonpham4809
      @winstonpham4809 Před 2 měsíci +21

      Yep it's kinda why I did not want to be an office worker

    • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
      @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Před 2 měsíci +20

      I am legit also an athuor translator and programmer and have never sucessfully done a job aplication in my life, I wouldnt have even been able to apply for university if my mom didnt help me fill out the paperwork and I freeking dont even have ADHD.

    • @nleem3361
      @nleem3361 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Try other ways to apply for jobs. Net working events, linked in, recruiters, friends in the field, etc.

    • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
      @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Před 2 měsíci +31

      @@nleem3361 Ehem, crippling anxiety and paralizing shyness would like a word with you.

    • @jus4795
      @jus4795 Před 2 měsíci

      @@nleem3361 On networking events they tell you to apply on their website. Linked in is a website where you can find a lot of links to the same forms.

  • @thesea4120
    @thesea4120 Před měsícem

    I really appreciate you doing this, i just graduated summer if 2023 and I'm still working my part time job while applying for jobs in my selected field, it's so demoralising when you have to go through applications like this only to get a template email rejection instead of personalised feedback.

  • @NathanSmutz
    @NathanSmutz Před 2 měsíci +4

    I watched a friend fill out a ridiculous application for just a sporting goods store.
    The thing was deceptive. There were multiple times you thought you were going to be done with a "finish" button, but it just spawned more questions.

  • @Quasihamster
    @Quasihamster Před 2 měsíci +122

    Lesson learned: They don't want you working for them. They see it as an act of kindness to look at your application, let you bask in the greatness of their webdesign. Only the very best should be treated that honor.

    • @Zieldak
      @Zieldak Před 2 měsíci +23

      More accurately: They don't want you working for them, unless you are the perfect sheep. Otherwise, they just want to know everything about you and sell your information.

    • @vrishnisivakumaran1232
      @vrishnisivakumaran1232 Před 2 měsíci

      And they put the very best on minimum wage

  • @eloiseannicle
    @eloiseannicle Před 2 měsíci +66

    These issues actually sent me into a depression after I graduated. It just felt impossible. I ended up giving up on my dream and now work in an unrelated field to my degree. I just could not find a way to get on the bottom rung ladder without already having experience. I did not have the means to work for free, so I was stuck. I felt like I was bashing my head against a wall repeatedly everyday. They don’t even give a curtesy rejection email most of the time. Bloody waste of time.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov Před 2 měsíci

      Poor baby
      do you need pacifier?
      Pull yourself up by the bootstraps like me 😎

    • @AB-zl4nh
      @AB-zl4nh Před měsícem +5

      ​@@maalikserebryakov?

    • @doctorcheese107
      @doctorcheese107 Před měsícem +4

      Same, spent 5+ years getting rejected for every entry level/grad scheme and enventually gave up and got an easy factory job.

    • @ParadiseLordRyu
      @ParadiseLordRyu Před měsícem

      @@maalikserebryakovbootstraps is bullshit nowadays.

    • @KyleRobinsonTravel
      @KyleRobinsonTravel Před měsícem

      @@maalikserebryakovif someone looked up toxic masculinity in the dictionary, it would just be your face. Congratulations

  • @Auchioane
    @Auchioane Před 2 měsíci +3

    I can soo relate to this, I spent days applying for lots of grad programs when I left uni, it was basically a fulltime job filling out all of the forms and doing all the various psychometric tests just to get an interview. That tech company you were applying if that was their process id instantly stop and look elsewhere.

  • @TheCardinalArt
    @TheCardinalArt Před 2 měsíci +2

    I'm certain that the reason they continually ask "where did you hear about this opening" or similar questions is not just to see where the best advertisement is but mainly to see if you have a connection. Here in the states the quickest route to getting nearly any job is to have a connection with someone at the company.
    It's extremely frustrating for anyone trying to break into a new place!

  • @rexp1727
    @rexp1727 Před 2 měsíci +99

    This is what it's like just filling out a job application. They want you to upload your CV, But then Want you to fill out everything on your CV on their application! UGH. but they want more! And when you've been applying for 100s of jobs. It starts to get so draining keep writing out every inch of your CV over and over again

    • @Parcha64
      @Parcha64 Před měsícem

      If you manage to get an interview, 9/10 they didn't even read the CV or application, they expect you to bring a printed copy of the CV, and then will proceed to not read it in front of you.

  • @Merione
    @Merione Před 2 měsíci +85

    My feeling is that all of this hurdle is specifically designed for making sure that only the most desperate people get through. A normal person would just get annoyed after a while and move on, but if you're really struggling financially and you're in desperate need of a job you will go through whatever hoops they ask you to. And that's what they want. They want desperate people who will jump on whatever lowball offer they can get just to survive. And even then, you might still get rejected. It's insane

    • @bookcat123
      @bookcat123 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Move on to what though? All job applications are like this 🤷🏼‍♀️

    • @Darth_Insidious
      @Darth_Insidious Před 2 měsíci +7

      ​@@bookcat123 I assume it's to discourage people who already have a job, so won't literally starve if they don't find a new one.

  • @belg4r489
    @belg4r489 Před měsícem

    What a well edited video! Great job man!

  • @AVKnecht
    @AVKnecht Před 2 měsíci +6

    What I hate most in applications is if you don't get lists when they in fact would be useful. I work in Software development and I don't remember every freaking framework/technology I ever worked with. Give me a list for everything even remotely relevant for you and I then I can answer this properly. This used to be a thing about 10 years ago.

  • @digishade7583
    @digishade7583 Před 2 měsíci +71

    You know what’s even more frustrating? The fact that even the Jobs that are lower end and *don’t* require graduate level skills *also* put you through this. I mean seriously I only got the job I have now because I got help from my provider. It’s nuts that companies expect applicants to do all this and even if you pass it them you still have the interview to go through. Like why do I need to go through all of this to get a Job at my local IGA? The information you need is already in my resume why do I need to put it all in a second time

  • @feerobson3475
    @feerobson3475 Před 5 měsíci +115

    So as someone who has recently been placed at risk of redundancy this is just as frustrating as those who have been in the "workforce" for a number of years. 8 pages of information after already uploading a cv is mind boggling! Some of the doozie questions are the "voluntary disclosures" but pre populated with answers. Wanting 8yrs experience for an entry level position, the blood of your unborn child as well as the answer to a cryptic riddle...oh and a masters degree.

    • @eggchipsnbeans
      @eggchipsnbeans Před 3 měsíci +10

      The problem ultimately is HR have got above themselves

    • @bcase5328
      @bcase5328 Před 3 měsíci +5

      The design of this is to the level of being incompetent. It makes me question why have anything to do with the organization sponsoring that site.

    • @eugenetswong
      @eugenetswong Před 2 měsíci +14

      Don't forget these 2:
      * costly certification for an entry level job
      * approaching you because you appear to be a great candidate...and then asking for certification
      😞

    • @charlesmayberry2825
      @charlesmayberry2825 Před 2 měsíci +9

      I love the ones that are "Voluntary Disclosures" That don't offer the ability to not answer, and if you don't select an option it errors and highlights them saying all sections of the form MUST be completed. So they aren't actually voluntary.

    • @Pedgo1986
      @Pedgo1986 Před 2 měsíci +3

      And most ironic part is 99% of that information is irrelevant because is some menial desk job. It should be are you able to this job up to specified standards? Guess what people are able to do job without diploma in field and also people are unable to do work even with diploma in field. If education system would be far more strictly and hold up to highest standards and meritocracy then by all means it could be indicative of your abilities but how system works now its joke, bar is lowered constantly with free pass just to retain "good" numbers while quality is tanking and this just cherry of top of fact that most fields, courses, diplomas, certificates etc. are completely worthless, irrelevant, obsolete or oversaturated on market to the point that is just waste of time and money.

  • @eddiemate
    @eddiemate Před 2 měsíci

    This was about my experience when I spent a year of my life job hunting, doing 8 applications a month (the bare minimum my agency would allow, yes it's small but I live in a small town where the job opportunities are few and far between) and every option was basically like this. I genuinely cannot tell you if my last years of high school or this one year of job hunting was more miserable.
    I cannot imagine how my life would be if my friend didn't give me a job. I'd probably be over three years deep into job hunting, desperately scrounging for options as I just get more miserable at a system that works against me, a new employee.
    So I appreciate you looking at the system and realising just how flawed it is.

  • @petfriendamy
    @petfriendamy Před 2 měsíci +4

    This is the most validating video I've ever watched lol, I've filled out so many of these cursed job applications

  • @nairbvel
    @nairbvel Před 3 měsíci +165

    The truly insane level of highly personal information these companies insisted on getting is, at best worrisome. Also, speaking as someone who used to be in the IT field (including several years working on user interfaces), these three systems absolutely *reek* of the attitude & design capabilities of either upper management or hard-core coders... two groups with a marked inability to design human-appropriate systems.

    • @srfirehorseart
      @srfirehorseart Před 2 měsíci +24

      Yes, it looks like no one did UX testing. Instead they just captured every HR requirement under the sun with no filter for relevance.

    • @adiuntesserande6893
      @adiuntesserande6893 Před 2 měsíci

      Quite a few of these companies then sell the data they collect from these. Many of these so-called ‘ghost jobs’ don’t actually exist, by which I mean they’ll never actually hire anyone for the position. It only exists to get as much information from people as possible in order to then sell that information to data brokers.

    • @final_catalyst
      @final_catalyst Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah, I know some postings are fake overall to fish out information for scams, but I really believe actual companies (not just recruiting services, who definitely do) are also scraping data for research and to sell that to others.
      Because capitalism, why not make some money off the job application process? What desperate people are not going to apply?

    • @MannIchFindKeinName
      @MannIchFindKeinName Před 2 měsíci +6

      4:1 that it was not the coder xD Half of those websites dont actually work, and having worked for some companies like that, the internal web sources are shitty af, they get the worst programmers for the worst wage, and then still manage to screw them over so badly you feel for them.
      One of them had a wiki that was to be used when talking to customers, it took atleast 3 seconds for each page to load, and on a lot of topics each paragraph had its own page, together with shitty titles and multiple links to work-orders (and standards etc). And then the management had the audacity to complain why new ones were so slow while calling...

    • @hithere911
      @hithere911 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Depending on where you are, it can actually be illegal for an employer to force you to answer some of those questions.

  • @Khono
    @Khono Před 6 měsíci +85

    Thanks for doing this. It's a massive red flag for me when I'm applying somewhere and they do these things. It's incredibly common and a sure fire sign that efficiency and quality of life are not highly valued by that organisation.

    • @Ben-Askins
      @Ben-Askins  Před 6 měsíci +13

      You are most welcome, thanks for the support!

  • @Rhymia
    @Rhymia Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you for saying and making the video , I'm a job seeker and honestly that is what I'd experience when applying for jobs. I am getting stressed out when some companies which I applied never even reached out when they actually invited me to apply their company . I just have to try and try again.

  • @Hadgerz
    @Hadgerz Před 2 měsíci +2

    My favourite are the ones that ask 'what is your expected salary'. You just know if you select under the average for the job, you're going to be exploited and underpaid, and if there's no data on the average wage for the job, and you guess above what they're willing to pay you, they instantly discard you.

  • @jakeothy
    @jakeothy Před 6 měsíci +54

    The stupidest thing is companies use application websites which all require a new password every time

    • @TheExileFox
      @TheExileFox Před 2 měsíci +1

      password managers help, but only to an extent. at some point, even they become "too full"...

  • @davidholloway6127
    @davidholloway6127 Před 5 měsíci +210

    My pet job hunting hate is filling in forms AND having to upload a CV.

    • @Kalani_Saiko
      @Kalani_Saiko Před 2 měsíci +2

      YES! IT IS LITERALLY THE SAME INFORMATION

    • @timothygibney159
      @timothygibney159 Před 2 měsíci +3

      “Do not put in please see resume “!

    • @gregorturner4753
      @gregorturner4753 Před 2 měsíci +1

      linkedin is taking some of that pain away

    • @timothygibney159
      @timothygibney159 Před 2 měsíci

      @@gregorturner4753 Those jobs are being applied to by ai bots. You need to apply old fashioned way to beat chat got job applicants

    • @cobbler9113
      @cobbler9113 Před 2 měsíci

      It can be good for fleshing out detail as CV's are supposed to be a short summary of your experience, but even so, I can ask about examples in an interview.

  • @Heartbrokeklad
    @Heartbrokeklad Před měsícem +2

    I worked for a PLC energy company through an agency for 2 years and my stats were consistently in the top 5 of my whole floor.
    Then they had a recruitment drive where I could be given a proper contract directly with them.
    I went through the full interview process like an outsider.
    I failed to get the job I was already doing! Due to the psych test!
    I proved them right by going ballistic at the management.
    Luckily, they saw the error of all of it and overruled the psych test and I was taken on. After another year I was running a small department.
    Then I learned a trade in night school, left and made more money than I ever would have if I'd stayed.

  • @sandy7m
    @sandy7m Před 2 měsíci +1

    I was laid off in 2020 and started applying for jobs through the usual programes. I had different versions of my CV laid out in the same format as Indeed, Scotjob and two other job websites. I had frequent hits but got so bloody fed up with HR requiring me to fill out their online CV forms. It takes bloody ages. I had one day where it took 4 hours to complete the information for just three vacancies. For a few of the online applications they had exams to complete. So many hoops to jump through and most of them never got back to me. After nearly 50 applications i got just 2 phone interviews. I gave up and retired early.

  • @PS3PCDJ
    @PS3PCDJ Před 2 měsíci +30

    "Include your CV file here"
    "Now input all the information in your CV, into our form"

    • @gabpin72
      @gabpin72 Před měsícem +1

      “Thank you for finishing the form! We will consider your application once you have submitted all the same information again in Morse code! Click here to start. You cannot save your process and if your internet fails you need to start the Morse code all over again”

  • @BeeWaifu
    @BeeWaifu Před 2 měsíci +49

    Only 46 rejections? I graduated in 2013 and I still haven't found a job.

  • @Goremize
    @Goremize Před 2 měsíci +1

    I graduated an Accounting Degree with no fails and more credits/higher grades then passes, it took me 7 years of interviews before I got a job related to that degree when I became a Tax Accountant.
    I'd always call up after the fact to find out why I didn't get it, it was usually "this other guy who wanted a graduate position had many years of experience" or "they wanted less then min wages for this job" or both. They also had to work more hours then they were paid for without overtime pay.
    After so long, I was glad to finally get just the minimum wages and still had to work unpaid overtime or fall behind on my graduate position because of the amount of work they would assign me, while much more capable people were asking for more work to do.
    Only to find out through doing Tax Returns that I could have chosen a different line of work 13 years ago, not needed to do any study, and even today would be earning more then I am with my degree.

  • @Dvpainter
    @Dvpainter Před 2 měsíci +1

    5:25 I fully felt that exasperated "What?" to the audio thing lmao

  • @LadyMaeghan
    @LadyMaeghan Před 2 měsíci +45

    I don't know about anywhere else, but honestly? This is what applying for ANY job has been like lately, not just graduates. At least in Canada.

    • @heroslippy6666
      @heroslippy6666 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I thought this video was about burger flipper job applications lol

    • @josephj6521
      @josephj6521 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@heroslippy6666I know a teenager that had to go to a 3 hour interview and business ideas process for a dumb cashier part-time role! 3 hours of insanity!?!

    • @travisretriever7473
      @travisretriever7473 Před měsícem

      Seconded. In the USA, I had to go through all this horseshit and more, just to get ghosted by Costco & Home Depot.

  • @fiestygemini2379
    @fiestygemini2379 Před 3 měsíci +54

    This is great you are highlighting this as graduate entry but I'm increasingly seeing these types of applications for people who have been in their career for several years.

  • @tjf7101
    @tjf7101 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I have to admit. “All examinations from 15 forward” is a new one.

  • @kma3647
    @kma3647 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I've been in the job market for a while. These aren't just a problem in the UK. This is very similar to the process at any major US corporation in my industry, at least. The applications are incredibly lengthy. They ask you to type in your resume/CV, then submit your own formatted version of it separately for some reason. They ask a mountain of screening questions, and there are often "get to know you personally" questions which are free response and intended specifically to see if you say or do things they aren't stating, but will disqualify you for. In the US, hiring is easy. Firing is often rather difficult, even in contracts where either party could sever at any time for any reason. And they do background and drug testing on top of all of that. Why? Because they're looking for reasons not to hire you. In the US, it is illegal to do certain things in hiring. They still want to and actually do these things, but you can't prove it because they will always find some other excuse to not hire you. For example. there are DEI quotas in every corporation nowadays. If you're white and male, guess what, you're never getting hired. Ever. They don't want you. They can't just not hire you because you're a white guy, so they ask all of those other screening questions to find an excuse to say you're not qualified. Then they can legally go to the ESG banking aholes and show off their racist hiring numbers as "progress" and more importantly, go to the Dept of Labor and claim there just aren't any American candidates and their only option is to import foreign nationals who'll work at half the rate and who are legally bound to the company while they go through our lengthy nationalization process, so they can't quit, can't negotiate better wages, and have to wage-slave or they get kicked out of the country.
    The system is broken for a reason. You've got the wrong demographics for the project, friend, and that's why you're not getting any calls back.

  • @MitchBurns
    @MitchBurns Před 2 měsíci +55

    I’m 36, and only recently graduated college 4 years ago. I’m currently unemployed because of this very reason. That and even after you apply, you probably won’t get it. It’s such a complicated process. It just isn’t worth the effort in my opinion. I’m autistic, and I’d rather walk into traffic than deal with it all.

    • @RamblingRiyzen
      @RamblingRiyzen Před 2 měsíci +2

      Best way, is to go in person, and find outthrname of the hiring manager. Set up an appointment to see them, then go in and do an interview, with your resume handy, and give them a list if why they should hire you. If they ask why you didn't use their online avenue, say that the website constantly crashed.

    • @owlorc
      @owlorc Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@RamblingRiyzenAs a fellow autistic and later graduate, this sounds like an even worse nightmare than just filling out the online form. In my experience, you would just get told to go and do the online form.
      Sending an email might work, maybe, framed as a speculative application - and by “might work” I mean they “might” send you a rejection email if you’re lucky and it gets answered at all.

    • @RamblingRiyzen
      @RamblingRiyzen Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@owlorc you tell them that you did the online process, and have read that many online systems have actually made it impossible for employers to find an application through them, so you wanted to help them. You have to sell yourself. It's something that allot of people have forgotten. I've gotten all my jobs this way. Even as recent as 2 years ago. Just need to put in the effort.

    • @owlorc
      @owlorc Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@RamblingRiyzen What industry are you in, and how long ago did you graduate? Because getting an entry level job now is very different to getting one that requires experience - especially depending on the industry.

    • @meikala2114
      @meikala2114 Před 2 měsíci

      same same, i got my first full time job at 45 years old, a decade later i reckon its because they made an error

  • @izzyeverton8351
    @izzyeverton8351 Před 6 měsíci +55

    Ridiculous how they ask you to assure you’ve been honest answering the (what seems like) millions of mostly unnecessary questions, yet still have the audacity to call it an “auto fill" resume.
    “Works about as well as American healthcare” 😂
    Brilliant!!

    • @Ben-Askins
      @Ben-Askins  Před 6 měsíci +6

      Honestly, you couldn't make it up

  • @pulzie8790
    @pulzie8790 Před 2 měsíci

    As someone that has been in and out of different companies in the last years due to me being mainly a contractor for project work the unnecessary and convoluted forms you need to fill in is astonishing. The autofill feature many have is definitely the worst. Correcting al those answer just for your system to comprehend them and then being automatically rejected are those experiences you never forget.

  • @flazryuful
    @flazryuful Před 12 dny

    This process looked exactly like the process I needed to go through the last time I was job hunting. Only this is the process for every single job application, and you need to fill out the massive amount of web forms for every one of them, even if it's all on the same website.

  • @AlphaLinkX
    @AlphaLinkX Před 2 měsíci +235

    It's this way for a reason. Companies want to have you go through all that to prove you are willing to put up with BS.

    • @demonic_myst4503
      @demonic_myst4503 Před 2 měsíci +11

      Well yes and no its to make sure can follow instructions this why componies now days wont acept old methods parents often advise like ealking in wiyh cover letter it will get your cv thrown in the bin fadter

    • @HarmlessRealityBreaker
      @HarmlessRealityBreaker Před 2 měsíci +24

      @@demonic_myst4503I'm sorry, I only speak English. Can someone translate?

    • @heroslippy6666
      @heroslippy6666 Před 2 měsíci +16

      @@HarmlessRealityBreaker I don't speak broken keyboard either lol

    • @Redmanticore
      @Redmanticore Před 2 měsíci +2

      they could have chatgpt evaluate your cv in a second with AI if they wanted.
      those evaluated high could be automatically put into "maybe" bin to be looked and interviewed manually.

    • @lindenbree9188
      @lindenbree9188 Před 2 měsíci +11

      @@HarmlessRealityBreaker "Well yes, and no. It's to make sure you can follow instructions. This is why companies nowadays won't accept the old methods parents often advise, like walking in with a cover letter. It will get your CV thrown in the bin faster."

  • @quinhoprimeiro1049
    @quinhoprimeiro1049 Před 2 měsíci +25

    If asks me for a video resume... I am not applying.
    If asks me for a cover letter... I am not applying

    • @MareSerenitis
      @MareSerenitis Před 2 měsíci +17

      What _is_ the point of a cover letter anyway?
      Why do you want me to write fanfiction about working for you?

    • @superleipoman
      @superleipoman Před 2 měsíci

      It can be valuable if you have a particular motivation but the problem in my opinion is that you are expected to write it as standard which ends up being a bunch useless shit especially because you don't want to overshare before an interview. Now it's even worse because you're writing this letter for the algorithm first so it's really just trying to tick as many boxes in applications linguisticly as you can which is beyond stupid. @@MareSerenitis

  • @Hyjy0
    @Hyjy0 Před 2 měsíci

    My worst application memory is getting to the interviewing phase through a job hunting company, who had all of my info already. First I had to take an automated video interview, then the job hunting company wanted to interview me personally in their office building, then the company I was applying for wanted to interview me TWICE. The job itself was a simple automation assembler's job, but it was quite a ways away so driving there and back took me 3 hours in total. I essentially wasted over 10 hours of my time spread over a week or so, and around 100€ in gasoline, and the company never even gave me a straight rejection email. The job hunting company called me a couple months later if I wanted to go for another round of interviews, since the company was hiring again. I told them to keep their listing, I wasn't interested anymore.

  • @munchaking1896
    @munchaking1896 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I went to a job interview in person my self to a tech company and met the regional manager who made me do one of these applications with him, he thought it was going to be a quick two minute "tick tick tick" but it took is about 30+ minutes, and I grilled him on the strange questions and found out that the way they run thier business and treat thier own staff was very illegal.