There was one other thing I forgot to mention: the map remains stuck in a modal vacuum. No attempt is made to show ferry/tram interchanges at all. My map! www.ttg4.paintbrushguy.xyz/post/sydney-rail-map-ttg4-s-version
Decent but not a fan of how inconsistent some of your spacing is. Like why are the southern lines so close together with small station spacing but then there's a huge gap to the northern and northwest metro lines? It makes the whole map look unbalanced, bottom heavy and have massive white spaces in between. And then some of the massive station gaps on the T5, T1 and T9 lines just look a bit off. If geography doesn't matter in a diagram-map, why not just have the stations look more consistent? Also not a fan of cutting the city circle so in half like that (can look pretty confusing at first glance). Hopefully I haven't come across too harshly Not a bad map but in my opinion I think some tweaks would make it better
Instead of showing the T2 and T8 terminating at circular quay, why not have a gradient from circular quay to st James to indicate that the train changes route
Because they’re transport connections. They shouldn’t necessarily show the ferry/tram routes but at least show where the interchanges are with a little icon or something. This already happens on the SOP event bus map, so it’s clearly possible.
I feel like the city circle on your map is very visually intense and hard to parse. Also, while the T8 and T2 switching at circular quay is *technically* correct, I feel it is easily misunderstood.
Same with the separation of the Metro and the T1/T9. Yes, the tracks are separate, but this information isn't really relevant to people just trying to get somewhere.
the t6 line is too short to be its own line. lets say if it went to strathfield then it could be called its own line but that would not work out. also the t7 does not count as it is a special line and almost always travels on other lines.
Great video mate! So now we have: M1 Metro North West & *Bankstown Line* T6 Lidcombe & *Bankstown Line* T2 Leppington & *Inner West Line* T3 Liverpool & *Inner West Line* Totally not confusing! 😂
Ideas of what they could (or should) be. T6 Bankscombe / Bankslid Line T2 Leppington & Inner West Line and should be split T3 named after any Station between Carramar and Sefton M1 Outer Circle Line, Orbital, Gadigal Line, Cooks Hills Line or Tallaloo Line? The other two metro Lines could be called Parklands Line and Bradfield Line.
With more lines and stations in the CBD, we definitely need to take a page out of the tube map and expand the city part of the map so it is more clear where the stations and lines are.
Yep though let it be said that the Tube map is in a VERY bad place right now, like what you see here on steroids. They never had the “cleanup” like we did in 2012 after the 2011 election. Like that example of icons inside the station dots - OMG!!! One of my favourite homebrew maps recently was a variation on London Tube that actually added back some geographical spacing. It REALLY worked for me, as someone who’s been a tourist there a few times.
@@whophd Totally agree, in a way the problem with the tube map is the opposite of Sydney's where instead of the stations in the centre being too crammed, it's the stations outside the centre which are becoming too crammed.
Your map is not an improvement at all. Not only is it inaccurate, Victoria Cross and Crows Nest are literally 500m or less from North Sydney and St Leonard's, so why would separating the lines so exaggeratedly help whatsoever??
It’s not meant to be geographically accurate. Placing lines parallel has meaning in these maps- it means the liens run in the same corridor which is not true in this case.
@@thetrainguy4 But the thing is it doesn't matter in this case, and I'd go as far as saying that depicting the metro line as running along the same corridor is actually quite beneficial here. The Crows Nest and Victoria Cross stations are in reality directly adjacent to their heavy rail counterparts, St Leonards and North Sydney, which the current map perfectly depicts. If geographical accuracy doesn't matter, then why did you change it?
Because parallel lines have special meaning on transport maps, a meaning which does not hold in this case. The distance between stations is also irrelevant as easier interchanges are available at Central and Chatswood.
@@thetrainguy4 It’s not just about the interchange, North Sydney and St Leonards are destinations in their own right. Passengers that want to get from the north west (or even south west in the future) to St Leonards or North Sydney will enjoy a faster journey by just taking the metro to Crows Nest or Victoria Cross instead of changing at Chatswood or Central. By separating the lines you are just making way-finding more difficult for those who simply want to get around, and you are telling those people that they have to change at Chatswood or Central to get to their destinations, when this isn’t the case at all.
You don’t use these maps for last mile connections. You use these maps to plan a journey between defined stations. I don’t think the official set up does it any better than mine to be honest, it’s not clear that they are especially close. If they wanted to introduce out-of-station interchanges they could use dotted lines, too, like the tube map.
Sydney might as well use the letter and number system at this point to avoid confusion (eg. “T6 Line”, “M1 Line”, “L2 Line”) It can theoretically work seeing that SEPTA in Philadelphia is using a similar system
Honestly the map would look much smoother if the T1 ended at Gordon. And they used the T9 to extend beyond it (I mean they are basically the same line)
Petition for changes now.. we will need a new map again in a year or so anyway when the Bankstown Metro opens... so call for major updates to the next revision
I suspect that the points you raise will concern almost none of the travelling public. We know what line we use, and if we change from one line to another we either know where we change or if we don't we'll learn it quickly,
Suggestion: have a close look at how the Japanese label each station with a alphabet/numeric eg. the alpha designates the name of the Line eg the Hanshin Line is HS and the number designates its distance from its origin eh HS09. This is handy in many ways especially for tourists and those unfamiliar with the Line. This can also be used for way-finding and simplifying platform displays.
I strongly agree that M1 Metro North West & Bankstown Line is a bad name for the route and that they should come up with entirely new name, one thats one word would be preferable. Edit. I want to remain neutral and I am not here to debate whether including Indigenous names is needed, but if renaming Pitt Street station to Gadigal was something they had to do to honour the first nations people, then what they could have done is rename the entire Metro line "The M1, Gadigal Line". Gadigal refers to a large area south east of Sydney, so calling the a single stop isn't exactly specific enough. Naming a line after a region, area, district is quite reasonable and very common common around the world.
Oh no oh no. I was promised there was a fancy name coming, like “Gadigal Line”. They told me this at the Waterloo Station tour. And can we just mention: “M1” or any number is pointless. They might join up all the metro lines anyway. But we almost-nearly-maybe cleaned up the last naming mess with Metrobus (M10, etc) overlapping with Motorway numbering, then Labor has to come back in and now we have two M-sequences again.
None. The Airport line will get an increase in peak, and will be at least as it is now off peak. Trains displaced from the Bankstown line will fill in etc.
I thought Metro southwest was about taking the T3 out of the city circle to ease congestion. Well looking at this map the T3 will still clog up the City Circle and will also add more trains an already overcapacity Parramatta mainline. Also Yagoona and Birrong loose direct rail service. They could easilly route the new T6 as a Bankstown to Parramatta service. That would benefit more people then just shuttling back and fourth between Lidcombe
Not necessairly getting rid of the T3 was more about unclogging pathways into the city and not the CC as the intention was always to alocate current T3 services to the current T2 and T8. The new T3 line is effectively just an extra line to differentiate the new planned T2 services through the inner west which may be neccessary/unnecessary depending on how you view it. The local main line defintley has more capacity for services especially during the off peak.
1) The Metro SW conversion was about taking T3 trains out of the city circle and allowing up to 6 more trains per hour to run on the T2 and the T8, yes - it has nothing to do with maps. 2) The locals on the corridor between Lidcombe and Cabramatta lobied hard for the T3 direct service to the City to be returned, most people that know anything thought it was a bad idea because there are only 4 tracks from Lidcombe to Homebush so there is still a significant bottleneck there. The answer should be a tunnel from Parramatta to Homebush which would allow faster express trains to run at 160kmh and free up the existing tracks for more local services. 3) Birrong is the least-used station between Lidcombe and Sydenham, Yagoona is the third least-used; so putting those onto a shuttle is for the greater good. They will likely still have faster journeys once M1 opens anyway. But personally I think if the Government has no plans to extend the M1 from Bankstown to Liverpool they should just convert the Bankstown line to Sefton and build a cross-platform interchange. 4) No they couldn't because there are significant bottlenecks on the Western line between Homebush and Blacktown if you have a look at the documentation.
@@paulburgess-qr9rx It doesnt go to Homebush, it doesnt add capacity to the Western Line and it doesnt make Western express trains faster. The other Option is to widen the rail corridor and build a third track pair from Homebush to Lidcombe or beyond past Granville Junction, but that will be more disruptive, won't make express trains faster and might even cost more.
If I'm being honest, the map is OK. Not great, not bad. My biggest issues would be: (as you said) the clutter on the City Circle, especially when during my first look at it, I genuinely thought that they forgot to add Martin Place and Gadigal/Pitt St because of how squished in the stations were. I'm on the fence about the colour choice of the T6 as it definitely does a good job at blending with the T3 whilst also showing it as a separate line, but it's just weird to look at. I'm not a fan of the area around Sydenham, Wolli Creek and Turrella as it just feels so cluttered. Adding on to that - I hate the new green line branching off the T8 now completely skipping Tempe causing a lot of confusion, despite the fact that T8 trains skip Tempe anyways (plus - what happens if there's a trackwork weekend where T8 trains stop at Tempe??)
Agree about the line tags. Just the numbers at the termini would be fine. Also misleading to show T1 and M1 on the same tracks in the lower north shore. Dark brown is good. Better differentiation for us colour blind blokes (about 5% of the population) Agree that the city circle needs better treatment but (sorry) not sure your design solves the issues. Keep on it. And hopefully since this is theoretically only in place for a year they can iron out the bugs - based on our excellent feedback.
@@thetrainguy4wouldnt that make it so theres less train services on the t4 because they have 2 extra stations to stop at, wont it create more delays? if its stays as the t8, the t8 will get higher frequency since im guessing the macarthur trains are going via sydenham and the revesby trains are going via the airport so since the t8 trains are going two different ways, isnt that better for the t8 and the t4?
T4 is already prone to overcrowding with an excess of stops if it were to take on 2 additional stations they could only be added to the Hurstville-Bondi trains however Hurstville passengers are already clogging up Waterfall and Cronulla trains in order to save just a few minutes per trip
@@aquamonkee very true, at the same time once all T8 trains go via the airport there isn’t any other choice than to have those T4 trains stopping there. IMO the best thing to do would be to introduce new services from Hurstville to Central/City Circle/North Sydney that stop at every station from Hurstville (including those 2), whilst skipping Wolli Creek. This would mean that they run parallel to the regular T4 trains but never interfere with each others operations (kinda how the inner west operates parallel to western line) - so if one is disturbed the other can run independently. This wouldn’t be difficult to timetable as long as all south coast services are moved to the eastern suburbs branch (so they don’t also use the bypass to Sydney terminal).
I think the names are something that english speaking countries tend to insist on, even when it's a literal S-bahn. With my germanic railway background I would call the Bankstown shuttle T31 or T33, but to be perfectly honest, i think it's useless unless they eventually make it run as a local service to Central and make the T3 express. (oh and i would also rename the trams to T and trains to S for Suburban or something because i can't stand trams being called "light rail".)
I agree with this, just yesterday my brother was searching up what T line is the Bankstown line. He takes the T3 every week and doesn't even know. This seems to be trend throughout my whole family. Besides the T1, none of them use the T numberings. Only the names.
They chose an interesting colour for the T6. I think the colour matches well with the experience you’ll get on this line… I wish they would fix all the problems they did with the map, especially in the North Shore where I am! The map is very confusing, especially for people who go to the North Shore for the first time. 90% of the time, you CANNOT get a direct train from Pymble to Parramatta! And with the Metro and T1 running parallel, that’s gonna cause a lot of confusion!
If you can't get too Pymble to parramatta on a direct train, then change trains? there is a reason why Central and other stations allow you to go to other platforms. And if you can't figure out that the line with a distinct design and different colouring and the multiple parts of the map that says the metro is a seperate system, not including the fact that non of the stations line up isn't the same corridor/stations then its not a fault with the map its a fault with the education system. Also Pymble gets a 8 - 15min frequency to parramatta off peek on weekdays what on earth are you taking about?
No it should be called Town Hall. Everyone knows where that is and the Metro is linked to the 6 Town Hall platforms via a pedestrian walk and mall. Pitt Street runs from Circular Quay to Central and beyond so it is not a specific location.
Totally agree with you, the tags are completely unnecessary, also the different font size and bold text is also unnecessary. Your version of the map is so much better than the official version. One thing, are you able to make a version of your map with the line thickness and station circles the same proportions as on the London Underground network map or the Hong Kong MTR network map? The small circles for the stations on the Sydney Trains map isn’t very aesthetic.
@@staryoshi06 IIRC, T8 trains will no longer regularly run through Sydenham, stopping at Erskineville and St Peters. T4 trains will stop at Erskineville and St Peters instead.
I absolutely hate the names of these lines. Just give them a number designator and forget the descriptive words like inner west or south. People know when you say T3 Liverpool line. T2 Parramatta line. T1 Penrith. T1 Richmond. T4 Cronulla. T4 Bondi Junction. The T6 is not going to last so have it whatever it is right now.
There was one other thing I forgot to mention: the map remains stuck in a modal vacuum. No attempt is made to show ferry/tram interchanges at all.
My map!
www.ttg4.paintbrushguy.xyz/post/sydney-rail-map-ttg4-s-version
Decent but not a fan of how inconsistent some of your spacing is. Like why are the southern lines so close together with small station spacing but then there's a huge gap to the northern and northwest metro lines? It makes the whole map look unbalanced, bottom heavy and have massive white spaces in between. And then some of the massive station gaps on the T5, T1 and T9 lines just look a bit off. If geography doesn't matter in a diagram-map, why not just have the stations look more consistent? Also not a fan of cutting the city circle so in half like that (can look pretty confusing at first glance). Hopefully I haven't come across too harshly
Not a bad map but in my opinion I think some tweaks would make it better
Instead of showing the T2 and T8 terminating at circular quay, why not have a gradient from circular quay to st James to indicate that the train changes route
Why should it show ferry and light rail it’s a railway map
Because they’re transport connections. They shouldn’t necessarily show the ferry/tram routes but at least show where the interchanges are with a little icon or something. This already happens on the SOP event bus map, so it’s clearly possible.
@@paulburgess-qr9rx light rail trams travel on rails. Why include the metro if the light rail routes are to be omitted?
I feel like the city circle on your map is very visually intense and hard to parse. Also, while the T8 and T2 switching at circular quay is *technically* correct, I feel it is easily misunderstood.
Same with the separation of the Metro and the T1/T9. Yes, the tracks are separate, but this information isn't really relevant to people just trying to get somewhere.
no t6 sounds good and t3b would be a terrible idea no offense
None taken, good to hear different opinions!
the t6 line is too short to be its own line. lets say if it went to strathfield then it could be called its own line but that would not work out. also the t7 does not count as it is a special line and almost always travels on other lines.
I agree having it T3b would be confusing
I’d prefer a T10 or whatever were up to, we need ti honour old t6’s memory
@@Joseekins that would confuse newer generations and trigger train buffs with OCD
Great video mate! So now we have:
M1 Metro North West & *Bankstown Line*
T6 Lidcombe & *Bankstown Line*
T2 Leppington & *Inner West Line*
T3 Liverpool & *Inner West Line*
Totally not confusing! 😂
Ideas of what they could (or should) be.
T6 Bankscombe / Bankslid Line
T2 Leppington & Inner West Line and should be split
T3 named after any Station between Carramar and Sefton
M1 Outer Circle Line, Orbital, Gadigal Line, Cooks Hills Line or Tallaloo Line?
The other two metro Lines could be called Parklands Line and Bradfield Line.
With more lines and stations in the CBD, we definitely need to take a page out of the tube map and expand the city part of the map so it is more clear where the stations and lines are.
Yep though let it be said that the Tube map is in a VERY bad place right now, like what you see here on steroids. They never had the “cleanup” like we did in 2012 after the 2011 election.
Like that example of icons inside the station dots - OMG!!!
One of my favourite homebrew maps recently was a variation on London Tube that actually added back some geographical spacing. It REALLY worked for me, as someone who’s been a tourist there a few times.
(and who are maps for, if not for people who don’t know the area - it’s not for locals, duh)
@@whophd Totally agree, in a way the problem with the tube map is the opposite of Sydney's where instead of the stations in the centre being too crammed, it's the stations outside the centre which are becoming too crammed.
Calls it city
Its not that hard, and well see a stronger line drawn in when the Metro opens.
Loving your map so damn much! So helpful for non-residents/tourists of Sydney.
Your map is not an improvement at all. Not only is it inaccurate, Victoria Cross and Crows Nest are literally 500m or less from North Sydney and St Leonard's, so why would separating the lines so exaggeratedly help whatsoever??
It’s not meant to be geographically accurate. Placing lines parallel has meaning in these maps- it means the liens run in the same corridor which is not true in this case.
@@thetrainguy4 But the thing is it doesn't matter in this case, and I'd go as far as saying that depicting the metro line as running along the same corridor is actually quite beneficial here. The Crows Nest and Victoria Cross stations are in reality directly adjacent to their heavy rail counterparts, St Leonards and North Sydney, which the current map perfectly depicts. If geographical accuracy doesn't matter, then why did you change it?
Because parallel lines have special meaning on transport maps, a meaning which does not hold in this case. The distance between stations is also irrelevant as easier interchanges are available at Central and Chatswood.
@@thetrainguy4 It’s not just about the interchange, North Sydney and St Leonards are destinations in their own right. Passengers that want to get from the north west (or even south west in the future) to St Leonards or North Sydney will enjoy a faster journey by just taking the metro to Crows Nest or Victoria Cross instead of changing at Chatswood or Central. By separating the lines you are just making way-finding more difficult for those who simply want to get around, and you are telling those people that they have to change at Chatswood or Central to get to their destinations, when this isn’t the case at all.
You don’t use these maps for last mile connections. You use these maps to plan a journey between defined stations. I don’t think the official set up does it any better than mine to be honest, it’s not clear that they are especially close.
If they wanted to introduce out-of-station interchanges they could use dotted lines, too, like the tube map.
Sydney might as well use the letter and number system at this point to avoid confusion (eg. “T6 Line”, “M1 Line”, “L2 Line”)
It can theoretically work seeing that SEPTA in Philadelphia is using a similar system
You're quick haha
Map Men cameo!!!
Bankstown using the T6 number and coloured brown.
Appropriate considering that the Bankstown Line was originally brown on the 1990s CityRail map.
It was brown all the way from the 1940s actually...
Honestly the map would look much smoother if the T1 ended at Gordon. And they used the T9 to extend beyond it (I mean they are basically the same line)
do you have a download of the new 2024 map by sydney trains?
Why would they construct a metro for the western Sydney aerotropolis line thing, wouldn’t it make more sense to just extend the T1 from st Mary’s?
No because the area is rapidly developing and needs high frequency rail service.
The M1 is a freeway in multiple Australian states that's why
Petition for changes now.. we will need a new map again in a year or so anyway when the Bankstown Metro opens... so call for major updates to the next revision
Man this is so strange but fascinating🥺
Where do you get the new TfNSW map
looks better ngl, sydney's rail map is already great
Great video! What did you use to make your map? I would want to make something similar to this improving the ST network map
Illustrator
@@thetrainguy4 Tutorial?
Lots of other people have already, just search for one
The thumbnail is so funny 😂😂😂😂😂
I suspect that the points you raise will concern almost none of the travelling public. We know what line we use, and if we change from one line to another we either know where we change or if we don't we'll learn it quickly,
Where did you make the map?
Suggestion: have a close look at how the Japanese label each station with a alphabet/numeric eg. the alpha designates the name of the Line eg the Hanshin Line is HS and the number designates its distance from its origin eh HS09. This is handy in many ways especially for tourists and those unfamiliar with the Line. This can also be used for way-finding and simplifying platform displays.
the t6 poop line
Where do I find the new railway map?
I strongly agree that M1 Metro North West & Bankstown Line is a bad name for the route and that they should come up with entirely new name, one thats one word would be preferable.
Edit. I want to remain neutral and I am not here to debate whether including Indigenous names is needed, but if renaming Pitt Street station to Gadigal was something they had to do to honour the first nations people, then what they could have done is rename the entire Metro line "The M1, Gadigal Line". Gadigal refers to a large area south east of Sydney, so calling the a single stop isn't exactly specific enough. Naming a line after a region, area, district is quite reasonable and very common common around the world.
Oh no oh no. I was promised there was a fancy name coming, like “Gadigal Line”. They told me this at the Waterloo Station tour.
And can we just mention: “M1” or any number is pointless. They might join up all the metro lines anyway. But we almost-nearly-maybe cleaned up the last naming mess with Metrobus (M10, etc) overlapping with Motorway numbering, then Labor has to come back in and now we have two M-sequences again.
It's pretty simple. A T line is the old heavy train network. The M lines will be the new Metro lines.
@thetrainguy4 they should make space for the metro line to be extended from tallawong to saint marys via schofields and marsden park
So... what services will Mascot/Green Sq/the Airport lose in order to provide Erskineville & St Peters with an all day T8 service?
None. The Airport line will get an increase in peak, and will be at least as it is now off peak. Trains displaced from the Bankstown line will fill in etc.
the T1/T9 numbering is absurd. i live in the north shore line and literally all trains going towards gordon, hornsby, or berowra are labelled as T1 😅😅
Brought the T6 from the dead 💀 sooo happy. RIP Carlingford rail line
Gadigal should be Town Hall. It will be connected by a pedestrian tunnel.and mall.
I thought Metro southwest was about taking the T3 out of the city circle to ease congestion. Well looking at this map the T3 will still clog up the City Circle and will also add more trains an already overcapacity Parramatta mainline. Also Yagoona and Birrong loose direct rail service. They could easilly route the new T6 as a Bankstown to Parramatta service. That would benefit more people then just shuttling back and fourth between Lidcombe
Not necessairly getting rid of the T3 was more about unclogging pathways into the city and not the CC as the intention was always to alocate current T3 services to the current T2 and T8. The new T3 line is effectively just an extra line to differentiate the new planned T2 services through the inner west which may be neccessary/unnecessary depending on how you view it. The local main line defintley has more capacity for services especially during the off peak.
1) The Metro SW conversion was about taking T3 trains out of the city circle and allowing up to 6 more trains per hour to run on the T2 and the T8, yes - it has nothing to do with maps.
2) The locals on the corridor between Lidcombe and Cabramatta lobied hard for the T3 direct service to the City to be returned, most people that know anything thought it was a bad idea because there are only 4 tracks from Lidcombe to Homebush so there is still a significant bottleneck there. The answer should be a tunnel from Parramatta to Homebush which would allow faster express trains to run at 160kmh and free up the existing tracks for more local services.
3) Birrong is the least-used station between Lidcombe and Sydenham, Yagoona is the third least-used; so putting those onto a shuttle is for the greater good. They will likely still have faster journeys once M1 opens anyway. But personally I think if the Government has no plans to extend the M1 from Bankstown to Liverpool they should just convert the Bankstown line to Sefton and build a cross-platform interchange.
4) No they couldn't because there are significant bottlenecks on the Western line between Homebush and Blacktown if you have a look at the documentation.
There is a tunnel being built between parramatta and Homebush bay / Olympic Park it’s called the western metro
@@paulburgess-qr9rx It doesnt go to Homebush, it doesnt add capacity to the Western Line and it doesnt make Western express trains faster.
The other Option is to widen the rail corridor and build a third track pair from Homebush to Lidcombe or beyond past Granville Junction, but that will be more disruptive, won't make express trains faster and might even cost more.
If I'm being honest, the map is OK. Not great, not bad.
My biggest issues would be:
(as you said) the clutter on the City Circle, especially when during my first look at it, I genuinely thought that they forgot to add Martin Place and Gadigal/Pitt St because of how squished in the stations were.
I'm on the fence about the colour choice of the T6 as it definitely does a good job at blending with the T3 whilst also showing it as a separate line, but it's just weird to look at.
I'm not a fan of the area around Sydenham, Wolli Creek and Turrella as it just feels so cluttered. Adding on to that - I hate the new green line branching off the T8 now completely skipping Tempe causing a lot of confusion, despite the fact that T8 trains skip Tempe anyways (plus - what happens if there's a trackwork weekend where T8 trains stop at Tempe??)
Get keen
I’m gonna be honest, your new map is an eyesore and I really prefer the original
Yours is so much better, you can tell it wasn't drawn by a bureaucrat.
Agree about the line tags. Just the numbers at the termini would be fine.
Also misleading to show T1 and M1 on the same tracks in the lower north shore.
Dark brown is good. Better differentiation for us colour blind blokes (about 5% of the population)
Agree that the city circle needs better treatment but (sorry) not sure your design solves the issues. Keep on it.
And hopefully since this is theoretically only in place for a year they can iron out the bugs - based on our excellent feedback.
Agree with most of this - insane that these are professionally done 😅
Looks like the T4 won't be taking St Peters and Erskineville, instead it'll be the T8!
Until the 2025 timetable, when it will most likely be T4 and no T8
@@thetrainguy4wouldnt that make it so theres less train services on the t4 because they have 2 extra stations to stop at, wont it create more delays? if its stays as the t8, the t8 will get higher frequency since im guessing the macarthur trains are going via sydenham and the revesby trains are going via the airport so since the t8 trains are going two different ways, isnt that better for the t8 and the t4?
T4 is already prone to overcrowding with an excess of stops if it were to take on 2 additional stations they could only be added to the Hurstville-Bondi trains however Hurstville passengers are already clogging up Waterfall and Cronulla trains in order to save just a few minutes per trip
@@aquamonkee very true, at the same time once all T8 trains go via the airport there isn’t any other choice than to have those T4 trains stopping there. IMO the best thing to do would be to introduce new services from Hurstville to Central/City Circle/North Sydney that stop at every station from Hurstville (including those 2), whilst skipping Wolli Creek. This would mean that they run parallel to the regular T4 trains but never interfere with each others operations (kinda how the inner west operates parallel to western line) - so if one is disturbed the other can run independently. This wouldn’t be difficult to timetable as long as all south coast services are moved to the eastern suburbs branch (so they don’t also use the bypass to Sydney terminal).
The New T6 should have been picked a different colour to brown it’s should be nice to see it light blue or Light Green ❤😊
I think the colour was chosen to be very similar to T3 bc it is basically the former T3
@@cityplanner3063 yea
I think the names are something that english speaking countries tend to insist on, even when it's a literal S-bahn. With my germanic railway background I would call the Bankstown shuttle T31 or T33, but to be perfectly honest, i think it's useless unless they eventually make it run as a local service to Central and make the T3 express. (oh and i would also rename the trams to T and trains to S for Suburban or something because i can't stand trams being called "light rail".)
Calling trains suburbans is arguably much worse.
@@karlcx Is it? I think S for Suburban rail is pretty good.
@@vojtasTS29 some of the T lines are intercity lines. Just a bit misleading.
@@karlcxI guess that seems misleading to me by itself tbh
get over yourself light rail and tram are the same thing
Let’s not forget that the m1 motorway may get confused with the metro itself
Really are people that stupid that they will confuse the M1 motorway with the M1 metro get real mate
Bloody hell this is more complex than the London Underground map!
do you not like the current one either
If TfL issued such a poor map, the mayor would have been dragged from his office and dunked in the Thames.
They should hire you! The official city circle map is a joke!
The old cityrail map is farrrr more aesthetic
I wished they completely remove the "T" numberings. They are confusing at times.
Are they really? Much better than text I reckon.
@thetrainguy4 It's not related to the map but in general I rather they just have the names only just like before 2013. That's what I mean.
I agree with this, just yesterday my brother was searching up what T line is the Bankstown line. He takes the T3 every week and doesn't even know. This seems to be trend throughout my whole family. Besides the T1, none of them use the T numberings. Only the names.
They chose an interesting colour for the T6. I think the colour matches well with the experience you’ll get on this line…
I wish they would fix all the problems they did with the map, especially in the North Shore where I am! The map is very confusing, especially for people who go to the North Shore for the first time. 90% of the time, you CANNOT get a direct train from Pymble to Parramatta! And with the Metro and T1 running parallel, that’s gonna cause a lot of confusion!
If you can't get too Pymble to parramatta on a direct train, then change trains? there is a reason why Central and other stations allow you to go to other platforms. And if you can't figure out that the line with a distinct design and different colouring and the multiple parts of the map that says the metro is a seperate system, not including the fact that non of the stations line up isn't the same corridor/stations then its not a fault with the map its a fault with the education system. Also Pymble gets a 8 - 15min frequency to parramatta off peek on weekdays what on earth are you taking about?
@@SydenyTrainsVideosRoseville does. Pymble doesn’t.
Services depart about every 10 min from the city to Parramatta, changing at Central or Strathfield to get to Parramatta really isn't much of an issue
They should just rename Gadigal back to Pitt Street already
Why?
They should just rename it Gadigal Street.
No it should be called Town Hall. Everyone knows where that is and the Metro is linked to the 6 Town Hall platforms via a pedestrian walk and mall. Pitt Street runs from Circular Quay to Central and beyond so it is not a specific location.
Do not put bad words in this video
Probably Terrible old graphic people in transport
Totally agree with you, the tags are completely unnecessary, also the different font size and bold text is also unnecessary. Your version of the map is so much better than the official version. One thing, are you able to make a version of your map with the line thickness and station circles the same proportions as on the London Underground network map or the Hong Kong MTR network map? The small circles for the stations on the Sydney Trains map isn’t very aesthetic.
0:56 beautiful city circle as an actual circle 😍
It's just an interim map. Get over it.
I had always thought 2024 was the year a redesign would occur, if one was planned… do you think a 2025 map would feature a major design overhaul?
It really isn’t, the only changes next year are metro extension and T8 service cut to Sydenham.
@@thetrainguy4 Wait, what's happening to the T8? Haven't heard of this one.
Yes, they'll need to update in 2025 and again in 2026 for the airport metro. Hopefully we'll see a redesign at one of these points.
@@staryoshi06 IIRC, T8 trains will no longer regularly run through Sydenham, stopping at Erskineville and St Peters. T4 trains will stop at Erskineville and St Peters instead.
I absolutely hate the names of these lines. Just give them a number designator and forget the descriptive words like inner west or south. People know when you say T3 Liverpool line. T2 Parramatta line. T1 Penrith. T1 Richmond. T4 Cronulla. T4 Bondi Junction. The T6 is not going to last so have it whatever it is right now.