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Metal Halides Are Awesome, but Already Dead for Nearly Every Application in Nearly Every Industry.
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- čas přidán 13. 12. 2021
- Following the 52 Weeks of Reefing - Episode 20: Metal Halide Lighting and the Reef Tank: A Recipe for Success. • Week 20: Metal Halide ... ... A metal halide light will forever live in our hearts as one of the pioneers for creating stunning reef tanks for decades. The sad part is...they are dead.
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Most beautiful take I ever owned ran a Phoenix 14000k 150W DE with 2 T5s to supplement.
Halides is a big part of what got me into this hobby 17 years ago, no lights still to this day can get that exact shimmer and perfect spectrum blending. My Kessils came close but not there yet.
And the issue with heat is not a problem as long as you dont keep them closed up in a hood, which also is ugly. Those Giesemann fixtures is beautiful.
We all know halides is growing coral just out of the box, plug and play, on and off thats it. No flipping switches in eternity like with leds.
Yup i dont use a fan on top of that i had to add a heater to my tank i run my ac at 70 and the tank stays cool
MH are the GOAT, and I will use them until they just don't make them anymore, and I'd probably buy a 10 year supply of bulbs at the end, so I think could keep going until they can figure out something that looks as good as they do...on the other hand, I have been hearing this same song and dance since 2010 and everyone I talk to says that they are actually making a resurgence...They will end up being the vinyl record of aquarium lighting...
I've owned every, and I mean every, LED that's been released since 2010. Kessil, Ecotech, AI, Illumagic, ATI, all of them. I just swapped my leds today for my new Reef Brite 36 inch dual 260w de fixture. I can't believe how much better the tank looks. I was lost for words. The fish and Acropora responded instantly and all were happier. There will never be a better option than Metal Halide. I also get tired of hearing how much heat they put out. No they don't, the Reef Brite puts out very little. My water temp raised 1/2 degree. Of course my home is climate controlled to 70 degrees year round. Metal Halide is the way for me and I'm going to buy at least 10 years of bulbs.
metal halide is king, closest to the sun and surely thats what we want to replicate
Try to emulate sunrise/sunset and the change of spectrum during the day with halides, with LED's you can. Look, i love halides but they are not the holy grail.
@@Harolddespui Metal halide is the holy grail. Changes allowed by LEDs are the main reason why this hobby has regressed so much! So many corals lost every year with this "advanced features"!!
@@Alex_Correa You don't lose corals with sunrise/sunset or spectrum changes, people lose corals because they don't use a par meter.
A light that can't emulate sunrise/sunset and spectrum changes during the day is not the holy grail, period.
@@Harolddespui Thanks for your opinion.
Dice this up anyway you want. Metal halide are the best for SPS growth. The combination with metal halide and T5 is second to none for growth. Nothing duplicates the sun any better than metal halide. Trash them all you want it’s a fact!
Hamilton, phenix, and few others. They almost died maybe in the hobby industry. Zoos and public aquariums still use them. They also have displays that won’t accept led. And as leds prize themselves off the market halides are coming back. Just ordered 3 Bimini suns from Hamilton technology, 3 ballast and bulbs from coralvue. Since leds showed up been driving that last nail in that coffin but all you have accomplished is bent a 5 gallon bucket of nails.
I like the fact that the UV output from metal halides helps controls undesirable microbes.
Makes it a lot easier to keep corals like torches.
But I'm sure a light will be shining on this topic further in the future as people learn more about micro biome or listen to Chris at ACI and his first hand experience.
Noone listens to me I'm not important enough 😜
But led has a very huge flaw when it comes to UV that is constantly overlooked in seeing how poor it performs, I'm starting to think it's a topic intentionally avoided.
Metal halide lamps will likely always be around, even if for only very specific applications. A major use is in the entertainment industry and film industry. Specifically these are HMI lamps, which are a specialized version of metal halide, Often consuming thousands of watts, and available in sizes up to 24,000 watts at 2,300,000 lumens, Fellowspot, searchlights, stage lights and projectors are major uses of these lamps, and with efficiencies approaching 100 lumens per watt along with a color temperature of 5,600 to 6,000K and very compact light source, HMI lamps are very superior to the carbon arc lamps they replaced. In fact HMI was developed in the late 1960s by OSRAM at the request of German television producers for a safer and cleaner replacement for carbon arc lamps used in film production.
The most efficient reef light in terms of spectrum and intensity is metal halide! Halides offer the very best rich spectrum from end to end in the safest way you can have, period. No other artificial light will provide such unique qualities to this date. Radiums are being produced every day and won't stop! Same with Giesemann!! ATI will always produce their T5s! Hamilton sold more halides' gear lately than in the many past years. In fact, they had to produce their entire line (bulbs, ballasts and fixtures) so much they sold last year. Are halides coming back, then? ReefBrite is also producing metal halides here in US and selling a lot, they say. Tullio Dellaquilla have published many times that many public aquariums are going back to halides due to their unpublished studies and experiments. Metal halide is the number one preferred by biologists around the globe. Tullio was the person who introduced LEDs to this hobby and metal halide is his preferred option to light any reef in most situations! Why are you guys misrepresenting such numbers? Is this a joke, or you didn't know?! Are you guys trying to manipulate the market and "kill" halides to sell more LEDs?? LOL! When you removed the halides from your online store I called BRS as a consumer to talk to Ryan and the guy said "Ryan had no direct line". So I asked to talk to a buyer... what a waste of time! The guy told me the main reason you removed the halides was because of "shelf space". LOL! Hamilton and ReefBrite were selling so much at that time they had to work hard producing more and more! You guys could easily display their pictures on the web site and ship from manufacturer, like Marine Depot, AquaCave and others always did. Did you know that? So shelf space shouldn't be the reason, right? LEDs will give you much more money per unit, and that could be the main reason. Is that true? A halide system will last a life time, you just need to change the bulbs. LED fixtures won't last as long. The right application of halides will provide the best results to any tank!! You used to sell Giesemann Spectra and you made a video showing the amazing uniform distribution of that fixture, remember? Now you say that size reflector is not good? Application is what dictates results. If you have those small reflectors over the right tank you will have the best results.
Metal halides and T5s sold for specific purposes like aquarium and horticultural industries won't be ever banned in any place in this planet, as far as I know. There have been some discussions in banning them in other categories. Those discussions have been going on for more than a decade and it never happens. There are many other things that governments are worried about than to ban metal halides and T5s. The majority of lights sold today are LEDs anyway. Why worry?
The way you both presented this market strategy (video) in such sarcastic atmosphere is sad! Sound like that in truth you are actually trying to "KILL" halides.
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@@lukewheeler2361 Any LED fixture should be changed every 5 years, max. Halides are way cheaper in the long run then any LED. The BEST coral growers in the world, the ones that really care about the life of the animals and results, use halides to grow their corals because of the superb QUALITIES halides have. Excuses of costs are already debunked for most applications. Don't let LED propaganda wash your thoughts. Search and find the truth. I bet you have never used metal halides, or if so, have forgotten it's amazing results! Watch the videos linked. Spend some time studying and searching and stop trying to justify your purchases, if that's the case. You will come back here to thank me for the changes you will see in your tank.
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Aqui no Brasil é muito triste de ver esses aquaristas matando corais com essas luminárias de leds com essas tecnologias apenas para vender e vender essas luminárias que não presta pra nada de leds caríssima infelizmente para quem o aquarismo da lucro muito triste ..tenho 63 anos lido com aquario desde aos 16 anos e nunca vi nesses 15 anos tanta besteira sobre aquarismo fazendo com que o coral seja apenas um número para essa gente biólogo aqui também usando o aquarismo para vender seus produtos milagrosos visando lucro apenas lucro infelizmente o aquarismo aqui no Brasil virou um grupo do bolinha onde ter corais caríssimo e inventando nomes para os corais rs fazendo com que é uma coisa de outro planeta e as pessoas leigas que tentam entrar no roby são presas fáceis para essas pessoas e triste Alex Pouco aquarista que deram a vida ao Aquarismo como João Carlos basso, Bacellar, Sérgio Gomes, Sérgio Pantaleao ,Ricardo miuzzo hoje tem valor perante esse pessoal que está arrebentando o aquarismo ..hoje a própria Internet veio pra ajudar mas também para confundir esse pessoal acreditando nesses gurus de live falando tanta besteira sobre aquarismo daqui a pouco o cara muda o ciclo do nitrogênio também e as pessoas acreditam rs..." Aquarismo é uma ciência onde você aprende química, física e uma terapia é mais ainda e fazer que o ser humano preserve o meio ambiente mas aqui no Brasil pouco os governantes fazem alguma coisa sobre esse fantástico mundo do Aquarismo aqui temos as melhores praias do mundo e rochas vivas pena que não existe nada para ajudar desses governos fazer com que o Brasil se torne um dos maiores países em turismo não temos governantes com capacidade pra isso infelizmente pensam só em roubar em benefícios próprios porisso que o Brasil está assim e nosso litoral largado...um grande abraço Alex te acompanho você a muitos anos e sua briga pelas Hqi é t5 sempre vou concordar com você não tem e não vai existir iluminacao melhor para um coral dentro de uma caixa de vidro ...porque é muito barata e dura a vida toda seu fosse um empresário de leds claro que iria falar os leds e a solução tecnológica melhor do mundo rss tem bobo pra tudo rss um grande abraço...
I loved my Halides
So what I’m hearing is I need the 20k Phoenix bulbs, 1 for every 2’ of tank. Cool!
So the only issue is the heat? Is there any way a company can solve this issue if they are soo good for tanks?
Heat is an issue, but also, the bulbs contain mercury, which isn't ideal when it comes to discarding them.
It's already solved. ReefBrite makes a reflector that you can touch without any problems. Reefbrite ballasts are very efficient and can adjust to the bulb you are using. BRS stopped selling all halides, including ReefBrite halides too.
BRS, in the interest of full disclosure, you should reveal that BRS is now part of Bertram Capital, which owns EcoTech Marine, the manufacturer of Radion LEDs. People with agendas are starting to whisper "conflict of interest" in your videos promoting the products your sister companies produce.
We're proud to be sister companies with EcoTech Marine, Aqua Illuminations, Neptune Systems, and Leap Habitats 😃
Thanks for that info i didnt know that as im watching this on my tv now what they are saying sounds like garbage
@@BRStv so dont trash talk the best lights ever made for an agenda
@@reeffreak911 It's in a business' best interest to promote products they sell. I can't fault them for that. I was just suggesting that with all of the acquisitions in 2021, they could do a better job disclosing their company links to/ownership of to Eco Tech, Aqua Illumination, Neptune Systems, and Marine Depot. What they said about halides is true. Almost no one is using halides alone, and demand has dropped off a cliff. Hoard extra bulbs now, because the end is inevitable.
@@darrylchase3688 yea but in one video is the true and tested and another they throw shade at it they've been singing that same song for years and yet i can get online and find the bulbs i need after seeing my corals a bunch of people try to replicate my system even tho some of them have radions
Is there anywhere you can still get these? I’m very curious about them
I don't think it's cheaper to buy a LED-lamp for hundreds or thousands of dollars which loses 10 % of its power every year so after five years it's worthless. But that's why customers love LED. Never ever people spent so much money for reef lighting as today.
I got one on FB market place for $20, using it as a supplementary light with my LED, the spread is amazing :(
*One of my LFS stock replacement Giesemann bulbs, if i get full time work ill buy a bunch
halides are better if you make use of the radiant heat the saving of led is made up in heater efficiency. also u know ur getting consistent spectrum..... don't ge wrong leds but they are not best economically..... living room led, garage with 10 breeders Halide all day
Hahaha not gonna change our views on halides no matter what you guys say how great LEDs are. Halides are king period
Just bought MH bulbs in 2024
Funny how you complain about heat in Minnesota. led in summer
Metal halides are the best every couple of years some one will come with a new light claiming to be better lately it’s been this kessel wave to me I think those fixtures Are overpriced garbage the halides are still the best.
MH is awesome. Sucks that it's being taken away from us. I will be ordering a Giesemann Sectra from Germany instead of dropping 5k on inferior radions over here.
I've used LED's, and Metal halides, there's no comparison. LEDs suck!
yes led are a joke
Led will not keep sps coral long term. Someday nobody will buy led for coral tanks. That day is coming.
Lol...That day is never coming. I run halides and am one of their biggest proponents but we are less than 5 years away from them and T5s being gone. World governments alone will push them out of existence. Sure, a company or two will still try to produce them as specialty bulbs but nobody will pay $100 per T5 bulb to keep running them. Like VHO, they will disappear.
Plenty of people have been keeping SPS under LEDs for over a decade. So is it year 12 when LEDs stop keeping SPS alive? 15? When?
@@raisethereef I might be wring but i think industry's have to have a 10 year warning before they are not allowed to produce something like a bulb and until that day comes we got 10 years for leds to catch up!
@@AbbasReef Not to worry... Governments won't ban specific industries, like aquarium and horticultural. There will be never a ban on halides and T5s for those ramifications of the market, they say. Halides and T5s are being produced as we speak and sold more than in the past years. It's coming back. Quality is what we need, to keep the reef tanks at their best, not the illusion to save energy or anything like that.
@@raisethereef who has a sps tank with led only for 10 years? Nobody. And most ppl with led sps tanks are now having rapid rtn and stn and nobody can figure out why. It's the lack of uv in leds that are causing these bad bacteria to populate and kill sps. Leds would be fine if they could produce uv, they just can't at this time.
WWC uses LEDs….