D-lab series Basic Training Tube Guitar amp repair Fender Champ Low power is the transformer bad?

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
  • Another cool problem dished out by Fred & Fink. This time a Fender Vibro Champ having a low power output issue. I performed my routine cap change assuming that was all the amp needed. To my surprise, the low power symptom remained. After some research & inspection, the culprit surfaced. A unique problem, almost fooled me. Always exhaust your resources before condemning components, especially when it could be a pricy transformer! Basic training fun from D-Lab electronics. Remember these original type filter capacitors can be purchased from Amplifiedparts.com. Maintain the original performance & look of your classic amp!

Komentáře • 95

  • @edwardhannigan6324
    @edwardhannigan6324 Před 2 lety +10

    Wow, what a fix..! Great how you found that out and funny how it was always configured that way. It looked like a bad transformer at first. So much to look out for eh Terry, and those tips are great...Loving the tech, and Basic Training series. More, more..! Ed..uk..😀

    • @greggaieck4808
      @greggaieck4808 Před 2 lety +2

      D_lAB ELECTRONICS the owners tube guitar amplifier is cool my hobbys are painting pictures and lisining to shortwave and ssb iam thinking about getting my ham license I have 4 shortwave receivers me and my cousin are going to a Swap meet June 5th 2022 Sunday morning at 8 am in Milwaukee my

    • @greggaieck4808
      @greggaieck4808 Před 2 lety +2

      My other hobby is lisn to music records and CDs and fmstreo on my Yamaha reciver

  • @jonpardue
    @jonpardue Před 2 lety +7

    I bet you are right, this unit came wired that way and has never played at full volume. Great fix Terry!

  • @jimgiordano8218
    @jimgiordano8218 Před 2 lety +2

    I got the problem as soon as you started the voltage checks. The owner is going to be beside himself with the volume improvement. Great job.

  • @meesterprofe007
    @meesterprofe007 Před 2 lety +5

    As usual, you have another excellent video and confident delivery! A surprising situation in this little amp. Your expertise is wonderful and I always am interested in your projects and restorations. Thank you Sir Terrance for your great contribution to CZcams education.....I am always impressed with your knowledge and style.😊

  • @preiter20
    @preiter20 Před 2 lety +5

    Great troubleshooting video Terry. Very comprehensive. It didn't occur to me that the transformer was wired for 230 until you pointed it out.

  • @OIE82
    @OIE82 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The shrink tube and power cord, seems to me, to mean that someone recently (as in not from the factory) wired it that way maybe. But I will not be overlooking transformer wiring on the initial inspection anymore.
    Being in the weights and measures industry, we get calls from time to time, saying "my weights are off by about half. I need a service call." The first thing I tell them to do is push the "units" key to switch it from kg back to lbs. That usually corrects the issue.😊
    Same kinda thing with with that transformer.
    Thanks Terry

  • @CRUNCHCOLE
    @CRUNCHCOLE Před rokem +1

    Love your videos. I learn a lot from them. If I could only remember what I learn at 68. lol

  • @daveogarf
    @daveogarf Před 2 lety +2

    Fascinating! I'd never have imagined that a factory wiring 'error' would've been the culprit.

  • @greengrayradio1394
    @greengrayradio1394 Před 2 lety

    You found it right away! Actually, when you reported the PT AC voltages, I thought the same- an amp wired for European power voltage!

  • @blues61
    @blues61 Před 2 lety +1

    Sweet! Nice troubleshooting Terry.

  • @pickholder6189
    @pickholder6189 Před 2 lety +2

    `I was looking at that transformer thinking nothing was wrong. Of course I am in the UK so used to seeing theses wired this way......

  • @bkbinj6320
    @bkbinj6320 Před 2 lety +1

    Very cool sleuthing to get this amp up to full power.

  • @josephmagedanz4070
    @josephmagedanz4070 Před 2 lety +1

    I guess I didn't know that heat shrink tubing was that old...live and learn!

  • @bsicotte
    @bsicotte Před 2 lety +1

    Who would have thought? Good catch on this one.

  • @jimbeaux4988
    @jimbeaux4988 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow. That guy is in for a surprise when he gets it back.

  • @danielsaturnino5715
    @danielsaturnino5715 Před 2 lety +1

    D-lab delivers again!

  • @haroldsparkman6008
    @haroldsparkman6008 Před 2 lety +2

    Wow that's crazy. Never would have dreamed that. That's why we leave the repairs to you Terry 😂

  • @colinsvid
    @colinsvid Před 2 lety +2

    Thoroughly enjoying the videos, I’m learning more all the time, thanks terry

  • @gingercat777
    @gingercat777 Před 2 lety +2

    Good job the volts/situation weren't the opposite.

  • @CC-te5zf
    @CC-te5zf Před 2 lety +2

    Incredible Terry! And some techs would’ve just charged for a new tranny and kept the vintage one.

  • @sting1111
    @sting1111 Před 2 lety +1

    I like this series and am bookmarking when I have time to go thru it. Thanks

  • @whatsstefon
    @whatsstefon Před 2 lety +1

    As soon as you showed all the voltages were half I though “I bet this is an export transformer.” Being in Australia, I see that all the time. But for me that’s good news.

  • @PhoenixGuitars
    @PhoenixGuitars Před 2 lety +3

    Great lesson today. Some background from the owner may have helped but sometimes you get what you get. Thanks for the content!

  • @miguelrichartmellado2834
    @miguelrichartmellado2834 Před 2 lety +1

    allwais the raigth schematic.
    In coutries with 230v, people looking for this problem, one autotransformer.
    This conection , kill the problem.
    Big Terry !!!

  • @jenniferwhitewolf3784
    @jenniferwhitewolf3784 Před 2 lety

    Very odd that it was factory mis-wired. Good catch... and a good reason to check B+ voltage and the filament voltage right away.

  • @weschilton
    @weschilton Před 2 lety +1

    Wow, great detective work! I am amazed that the owner even kept the amp sounding as bad as it did. He is in for a real treat now!

  • @thedevilinthecircuit1414

    Somebody's been in there before you. They incorrectly hooked up a new three-wire AC mains cable and ran the neutral line to the fuse. This means if there's a failure in the amp (AC to ground) and the fuse pops, the chassis can still be live at mains voltage. Always run the black/hot wire to the fuse, then the switch, then to one PT primary. The white/neutral goes directly to the other PT primary.

  • @juliochingaling5824
    @juliochingaling5824 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow, big difference. Great job and excellent video. God bless

  • @kevinmiller4486
    @kevinmiller4486 Před 2 lety +1

    My uncle was a tv repairman and had two or more tube caddies to do house calls. If he couldn’t fix it he would bring the chassis back to the shop.

  • @sboy1955
    @sboy1955 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Enjoy your videos immensely. Subscribed

  • @darrellminx5459
    @darrellminx5459 Před měsícem

    This video helped me so much. I have been working on a similar job. And this was the key. Thank you.👍

  • @jdmccorful
    @jdmccorful Před 2 lety +1

    Good catch! Enjoyed watching. Thanks.

  • @jeffreyadams4952
    @jeffreyadams4952 Před 7 měsíci

    My fender supersonic 60 is doing exactly what you are describing. I'm very glad I watched this now I'll at least have something to suggest to the tech I'm taking it to for repair .... Great

  • @rciancia
    @rciancia Před 2 lety +1

    Wow Terry, that was a really good one !!!!! Most people would start shot gunning that problem but you thought it out and solved it.. Well done D-Lab awesome as usual .

  • @VictorJenks
    @VictorJenks Před 2 lety +1

    Good job D-Lab . I’m a technician Ham and am enjoying your workmanship as I am also a Singer Songwriter in the market for a Tube Amp . I have lots of effects that I use though for the time through a 100 watt Champ Solid State . I miss Tubes so much though .

  • @pda49184
    @pda49184 Před 2 lety

    Brilliant Terry.. I would never have looked at the TX hookup as it's been owned for 30 years living in a 120 volt country. Who'd have thought it.. Not me ! USA made amps here in the UK,, Oh yes, I'd check the TX wiring, but then that's a given when the amp originated from a country with different mains AC volts. I wouldn't be checking a 'made in England' Marshall.. But from now on , I will !

  • @ericdee6802
    @ericdee6802 Před 2 lety +1

    Great save!🎸🎶🔉

  • @daveanderson5680
    @daveanderson5680 Před 2 lety +1

    Yay D-Lab fixes another vintage Fender amp!

  • @markolson9778
    @markolson9778 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent lesson.

  • @Xpyburnt_ndz
    @Xpyburnt_ndz Před 2 lety +1

    Gr8 job and vid Terry! Likin these vids!!!

  • @fabdofasol8990
    @fabdofasol8990 Před 2 lety +1

    Great, I’ve used this 010020 Schumacher PT facility to plug a silverface non reverb Princeton in Europe a few years ago!

  • @alewis6451
    @alewis6451 Před 4 měsíci

    Very interesting and presentation thanks for sharing as I love electrical trouble shooting. I was given a fender blues junior that has no sound and making it a challenge to fix it.

  • @reggiewallace260
    @reggiewallace260 Před 2 lety +1

    Although I'm a subscriber, I don't normally leave comments. This time though, I found this video so interesting I just had to say, well done! Always look forward to your next video. Thank you Terry

  • @ericedelman
    @ericedelman Před 2 lety +1

    Love seeing the silver face repairs. I grew up in the silver face era, so I've always identified with them vs the black face amps. I love the super clean/glassy tones. Great video Terry!

  • @jagtone
    @jagtone Před 2 lety +1

    Hey, Terry, I did the opposite operation on my Vibro Champ when I moved abroad--rewired it for 234 volt operation. What a relief it was to find that I didn't need a transformerectomy or to lug a stepdown tranny around with me. (Mine is still sounding anemic though, so I still have some trouble shooting to do.) I did the same thing on a Laney acoustic amp I have, too. I wish more amp PTs had dual primaries like that.

  • @Paul-ow6of
    @Paul-ow6of Před 2 lety +1

    Now that was a good one!

  • @manfredbaer3297
    @manfredbaer3297 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video, Terry! I bet too, that this amp was wired for 230 volts ever since.

  • @YeatzeeGuitar
    @YeatzeeGuitar Před 2 lety +1

    Fascinating, really neat!

  • @oimate4201
    @oimate4201 Před 2 lety +1

    That was really great. Thanks for taking us through the basic troubleshooting steps. Not an average problem, but it’s one that was found with above average understanding of fundamentals. Good job and thanks for sharing!

  • @Scooter110
    @Scooter110 Před 2 lety +1

    I noticed that the transformer pigtail had heat shrink on it. It looked a lot less than 30 years old.

  • @MarkGutierrez
    @MarkGutierrez Před 2 lety +1

    Great investigation. Love these vids.

  • @electrolytics
    @electrolytics Před 2 lety +1

    D-Lab great insight into electronics and always a conceptual innovator.

  • @johnmac8084
    @johnmac8084 Před 2 lety +1

    Well spotted Terry. I think you're right, it was wired for Europe. That guys going to have a new amp!

  • @shakeypeet
    @shakeypeet Před 2 lety +1

    Thank You my man .

  • @tigertownmusiclab
    @tigertownmusiclab Před 2 lety +1

    Great stuff!!

  • @dhpbear2
    @dhpbear2 Před 2 lety +1

    5:54 - My guess: the transformer is wired for 220-volt operation.

  • @TheTrueVoiceOfReason
    @TheTrueVoiceOfReason Před 2 lety +1

    When you reported ALL voltages low by half, my first thought was this was a European amp that just had a North American plug slapped on the end. Sure enough...

  • @richardbarrios8132
    @richardbarrios8132 Před rokem

    My 1965 vibro champ has the same problem. Need to have someone check the wiring!

  • @mikemix1361
    @mikemix1361 Před 2 lety +1

    Terry, thank you for great content.

  • @miguelrichartmellado2834
    @miguelrichartmellado2834 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks you Terry. Very good video.

  • @srtamplification
    @srtamplification Před 2 lety +1

    There's Fred again.

  • @cheycasters
    @cheycasters Před 2 lety +1

    Great stuff Terry as always

  • @mikesmuseum
    @mikesmuseum Před 2 lety +1

    Should have named that amplifier the Euro-Champ, lol.

  • @whynotmaple6014
    @whynotmaple6014 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video and series! Thank you, and Keep it up!

  • @stevencraig
    @stevencraig Před 2 lety +1

    That was nicely unexpected

  • @gaylen8467
    @gaylen8467 Před 2 lety +1

    Nice One

  • @joepeezy4sheezy
    @joepeezy4sheezy Před 2 lety +1

    Too cool! I wonder how many people would have just changed out the tranny. Amazing.

  • @nickk9202
    @nickk9202 Před 2 lety +1

    If it had been wired correctly the magic smoke would probably have escaped from the power transformer when the filter caps died .

  • @jcmcclain57
    @jcmcclain57 Před 2 lety +1

    Great lesson, thank you!

  • @nikkisimpson1835
    @nikkisimpson1835 Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting repair! Did not see that coming. I'll trust your judgment though I can't help but wonder if some unqualified diy'er rewired the primary to drop the B+...but didn't know enough to think and or check the filament windings. I say this because it looks like quite a lot of work has been done, coupling caps, bat toggle switch in place of the slide switch...

  • @pauldow1648
    @pauldow1648 Před rokem +1

    Question.
    A 120 plug is quite different from a 220 plug..
    So if it had European 220 plug someone uninformed made a big bobo long ago.

  • @stevem.1853
    @stevem.1853 Před 2 lety +3

    I wonder if the original power cord was replaced... might have originally had European style 240v plug? Also the power switch is not the cheap slider switch that you always see on the champ. Maybe that switch was not compliant with European electrical code, or did the original fail and was replaced with a higher quality toggle...

    • @d-labelectronics
      @d-labelectronics  Před 2 lety +2

      Funny you would bring that up. Yes, I replaced the cord & power switch. The cord had previously been replaced, but was in poor condition. The power switch was odd looking, black plastic flipper, had 4 terminals, but had the new power cord connected. May have been the euro type? Good thought

    • @stevem.1853
      @stevem.1853 Před 2 lety +1

      @@d-labelectronics I've always thought that the stock power switch on the black/silver face champs looked cheap, but I've never seen a video of a champ with a bad power switch. Either way, that new switch is better quality than stock. Fender was definitely cutting corners on their entry-level amp, but adjusted for inflation, you were still getting a good amp for the money.

    • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
      @thedevilinthecircuit1414 Před rokem

      @@d-labelectronics The power cord is improperly installed. Neutral to the fuse like that means if there's an AC mains short to ground and the fuse pops, the chassis can still be live at mains voltage.

  • @Starcrunch72
    @Starcrunch72 Před 2 lety +1

    That's quite a wild find! I imagine the plug end of the power cord had the standard hardware store replacement plug on it, because those always twisted and frayed. Was there further indication on the back of the chassis that it was wired for 230V?

  • @rumproast2000
    @rumproast2000 Před 2 lety

    The amp looks to have a replacement power cord installed. I'd bet that someone read the schematic wrong and wired it for 230V. Whomever wired the new cord in should have also corrected the fuse wiring - it's inline with the neutral.

  • @zbaby82
    @zbaby82 Před 2 lety +1

    That amp was probably wired for Great Britain.

  • @Zelleram55
    @Zelleram55 Před 9 měsíci

    Did that cabinet tube chart label or anything say “For Export Only” ? That might be something for others to look out for in the future. On one of my amps it has printed on the tube chart label “for export only” then from the factory they ran a black sharpie over that to block it out unless you look close.

  • @MrChopin2323
    @MrChopin2323 Před 2 lety

    A lesser man/woman would have just replaced the transformer. Good deal, Fred, as always.

  • @exciter2506
    @exciter2506 Před 2 lety +1

    Never seen this one before on a vintage amp. The owner is going to think you hot-rodded his amp.

  • @dprice1077
    @dprice1077 Před 2 lety

    Terry, did anyone look at the back of the amp to see if it was labeled for 230? I have a Fender frontman15 power light came on no sound. I noticed it was labeled for 230.

  • @jimcastillo8950
    @jimcastillo8950 Před 5 měsíci

    Hello, my question is do fender amps need the brass plate where the pots are located? I just grounded to the chassis and have no issue..... thanks

  • @JohnvL
    @JohnvL Před 2 lety +1

    Lol we have 230v (-10/+6%) volts line EU. You lucky, if i have 2 parallel 115 volts it smokes...for short time and its gone forever

  • @jeffalessi
    @jeffalessi Před 2 lety +1

    Terry, What is the part number for the solder cartridge you use with your heavy duty Unger soldering iron? Have a most awesome evening!

    • @d-labelectronics
      @d-labelectronics  Před 2 lety

      4033, 50 watt

    • @jeffalessi
      @jeffalessi Před 2 lety +1

      @@d-labelectronics Thank you very much and have a most awesome afternoon!

  • @nigeldurrant7868
    @nigeldurrant7868 Před 6 měsíci

    if it was configured for European sales, it would not have a U.S. power plug on the cord, a factory wiring 'error'

  • @trbr1799
    @trbr1799 Před 2 lety +1

    First, great work and sleuthing! Thanks for the great content, as always.
    Second, I am experiencing the same lower output on my champ. History, the stock volume pot seemed damaged as the shaft was loose and its the loudest champ I've ever heard. It also seemed to have a linear taper. Replaced the volume pot with same value and audio, but it's now the most quiet champ I've heard! Anyone have ideas?

  • @natb9121
    @natb9121 Před 2 lety

    Why didn't you correct the white/black wires on the primary (black to fuse)?