Hi Joe i'm from N Ireland i watch D&J all the time content and there work is to a high standard loved this video your a honest man you give credit were it is due
Just suscribed, it's so nice to see a pro complimenting most on reaction vids. It's way too easy to pick apart when not needed. But you've pointed out common mistakes as well without being insulting. True Pro, thanks learned much I will apply to my work. You are a humble gentlemen. Karma is a real thing.
Im surprised nobody has mentioned capping rail for the top of the fence , it helps to keep rain off the top of the boards and kerps the tops inline . And a nice finishing touch . We use the deep groove capping which is s nice snug fit . You may thave to trim the top of the boards on an incline to level them off . Uk based landscaper in suffolk .
Not seen it in the comments but the grandfather posts are typically used as a repair to support the timber post when it has rotted below ground level. The timber post is then bolted to the concrete post with coach bolts. Sometimes its easier to add a concrete godfather post than it is to replace the whole fence post.
Enjoy watching d&j too, I'm a fencer in South England, and concept is similar, but closeboard (featheredge) fencing can be done in a few different variations. The concrete posts are called repair spurs or "stubs" in Dorset. I tend to do the 6" in either end of board and then middle for diddle on the centre rail. We tend to have different types of rail too, can't rail (kinda 2x2 with one corner chopped off), arras rail (triangle), or rarer down south of the 4x2. Give it a go for your business, happy to send some pics if of any help if you wanna do some displays. Normally I tend to use 125mm wide with 25mm overlap featheredge boards.
I always thought featherboards were called that because they are feathered, a 1x6 cut through the middle at an angle so when you overlap the fat end goes over the top of the thin end, saves on timber but with the overlap effect (and reduces the fatness of the overlap).
@@JoeEverest It's correct ,boards are 5 inches wide with a thickness of 5/8ths tapered down to 1/4 inch , I built panels to fit into my old concrete posts using 3 x 2 nominal pressure treated pine as the frame and vertical feather edge with a one inch overlap, it makes for a rattle free long life fence
I'm in Livermore California and my fence along with many others here have a variation of this staggered overlapping style. I believe my design is superior because both sides have the same appearance. Between the 4 x 4 treated posts is the following list of lumber (starting at the ground and going up). 1) 2 x 6 treated kick-board 2) 2 x 4 redwood (long side horizontal) 3) 1 x 1 redwood (2 pieces, 1 on each side of the 2 x 4. This forms the bottom channel for the staggered pickets) 4) 1 x 8 redwood pickets 5) 1 x 1 redwood (2 pieces) 6) 2 x 4 redwood (long side horizontal. This forms the top channel for the staggered pickets and is the top of the fence). The fence is safe to climb over because of the horizontal grain direction and can even be walked along because of the 4 by width. Fence is very easy to reinforce as well using an appropriately sized strap along the top, centered on the post and fastened to the post and 2 x 4 on either side.
Hi I'm a fencer in wales uk The only difference I would do to that fencing is posts every 6ft as those feather edge boards dint let any wind through, that garden looks pretty sheltered mind 👍
Hi Joe I'm not sure if it came across in the video but the rails we use in the UK for this type of fencing is not the same thickness you might imagine for example you might use 6 feet x 5 inches but the actual thickness of the feather edge boards is a little like a cheese wedge when viewed from above hard to describe really about 1/2" at one end down to 1/4 at the other D & J need to show you a photo 📸 really enjoyed tonight's video
15:32 Gaps still appear in the fence over time, but it's only noticeable from a certain angle. Still a lot better than the gaps you'd get from having the wood up against each other the traditional way.
Hi joe typically with this style of fencing the featheredge only being 12mm thick tend to warp ever so slightly during the summer month which can lead to being able to see through the fencing at the right angle. Featheredge fencing is best done with arris rails which are morticed into the posts. This allows you to alternate nailing the featheredge up which stops you being able to see through the fence
I have been watching D&J for quite awhile and local to me. They are hard grafters and take pride in their work. I would use them if needing fence work. And what I love about this video is your appreciation and understanding of the job while obviously differences in methods used by yourself. As I see it great trades supporting each other which is refreshing as you see a lot of people dragging other trades down. Top notch vid. Much love uk 🇬🇧
Hi Joe don't know if you understand Featther edge boards are about 3 quarter inch thick on one edge and about 1 quarter inch thick on the opposite edge. So the boards are tapered. So thick edge overlaps over laps previous board thin edge.
Seems like building a gate might be a challenge though with the feather edge style. Hinges might look a bit odd not laying flat. Trying to imagine how I would do that with the fence I'm building now. Not sure.
Hi Joe, Great video - very gracious. I am a D&J subscriber and have joined your channel as well. Great vibe on both channels. Thank you, Joe. Keep 'em coming👍👍👍
We also use feather edge panels with 2x 2 frames that we slot into the slotted H posts as you call them.That typically sit on top of the concrete 1 foot high gravel boards.
In the SW of the UK I use 4 of 3x2 rails and bump the kickboard out with noggins instead of nailing it to the bottom rail. The extra rail works out around £2/metre and adds alot of extra strength/ wind resistance with staggered joins. Also stops the cladding drying and causing gaps in the fence. Recessed capping to stop the tops of the boards parting and post caps.
We also use a pair of 2x1s, top and third rail, about 1.6m if using 1.8 post centres. Marked every 100mm for board placement. Excuse my switches between imperial and metric 🤣
Well said joe, when I’ve done mine, I feather edged both sides but keeping a straight edge on the top so I could carpet off with a 4 inch chamfered edge 3.5 m lengths to stop the rain sitting on the top rail but that was for myself but a nice job 👍 D & J 👍👍
Please tell me you will please begin to produce cement post and gravel boards and make panels that are easy to install. We need them here in the states. I always dreamed of a fence like that even before I heard of D&J. Give it a good think. lol
Side note, I enjoy the positivity here, which can be hard to come by these days. But I’ve never seen this style either, they did an amazing job here, It’s a really nice design.
feather edge in UK is different thickness from one side to other--If I remember it is 3/8th on one side to 1/2 inch on other side- think taking a true 1 inch and run it through band saw at slight bevel..
I have a feeling that fence has too much lumber on one side and no counterweight on the other especially feather edge boards(pickets) are more than standard stocked. But look very nice I totally agree will have to try in TEXAS
6x1 and 4x2/4x4/8x2 etc etc are the general terms used in Australia. Perhaps there are some that use the term1x6 etc but I have not found them. I am a retired chippy who has built some pergola's and done a lot of fencing.
Taff absolutely is a grafter, when he retires the rest of D&J will have to work much harder. Taff is very popular here in Britain, he’s the oldest but definitely works the hardest !
Feather edge is 5 or 6 inch wide and from 1/4" to 3/4 or 1" thick depending upon the lumber yard and you only need to overlap 3/4 to 1" hope this is of some use to you.
Also the pickets are not 1 inch thick, there actually a gradient, so one edge is normally 12mm thick the other will be down to 4mm thick, this is where that are cut from a 1 x 6 on an. Angle so when they overlap they keep a uniform look and a less of an angle
Just to say even though this is 2 months late the feather edge board size is 125mm (5”) wide x 18mm (3/4”) thick which tapers down to 12mm (1/2”) x 1.83m (6’) high.
I like the looks of the feather edge. Just curious and couldn't tell on video. Do they cut angle on the bottom of the pickets to sit flush on kick board?
You can if you're fencing on steep ground. If you use the recessed capping you also have to cut the top of the cladding to be able to get a proper cover
I have noticed every single fence installed with the 2x4 runners that are toe nailed in they shrink and pull loose after a few months/ year . Why do people it this way instead of running a 2x4 down the post and nailing the runner to it ?
I live in the UK and I assure you that they're not all as good as D&J. I have followed them from their beginning on CZcams and, I whish they were based nearer to me (and so do many people). I find them fantastic natural hard working men who deserve your worthy praise joe so thank you for giving them your approval.👍👍👍👍👍👍
I call them 'spurs'. Handy to fix a rotten fence post that has snapped at the ground level... just dig a hole in front of the broken post... bolt your spur to it... get the post level... then pour your concrete. easy peasy.
Hi Joe, love the content buddy. I'm planning a fence and like the idea of feather edge but mine will be horizontal. I'm wondering if it would work as nice using regular pickets as i can't seem to find feather edge boards locally. What are your thoughts?
I see a lot of those types if fences in US videos diy and handyman. I really dont understand it. I've NEVER seen it done that way in Aus. Also our holes are always 2 foot with concrete. If we use a kick rail its a 2 x 10
Anyone else see his face light up when he got mentioned. He was so happy with that shout out XD
Hi Joe i'm from N Ireland i watch D&J all the time content and there work is to a high standard loved this video your a honest man you give credit were it is due
Hey Mark, I appreciate the kind words!
Just suscribed, it's so nice to see a pro complimenting most on reaction vids. It's way too easy to pick apart when not needed.
But you've pointed out common mistakes as well without being insulting. True Pro, thanks learned much I will apply to my work. You are a humble gentlemen. Karma is a real thing.
Thanks for watching, good to have you as a subscriber!
Cool video and Nice call out/Shout out. Joe you and SWI got me excited bout doing my own fence. It’s like an art!! 👍🏼 5 🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎 for you Joe!
Im surprised nobody has mentioned capping rail for the top of the fence , it helps to keep rain off the top of the boards and kerps the tops inline . And a nice finishing touch . We use the deep groove capping which is s nice snug fit . You may thave to trim the top of the boards on an incline to level them off . Uk based landscaper in suffolk .
Not seen it in the comments but the grandfather posts are typically used as a repair to support the timber post when it has rotted below ground level. The timber post is then bolted to the concrete post with coach bolts. Sometimes its easier to add a concrete godfather post than it is to replace the whole fence post.
Enjoy watching d&j too, I'm a fencer in South England, and concept is similar, but closeboard (featheredge) fencing can be done in a few different variations. The concrete posts are called repair spurs or "stubs" in Dorset. I tend to do the 6" in either end of board and then middle for diddle on the centre rail. We tend to have different types of rail too, can't rail (kinda 2x2 with one corner chopped off), arras rail (triangle), or rarer down south of the 4x2.
Give it a go for your business, happy to send some pics if of any help if you wanna do some displays.
Normally I tend to use 125mm wide with 25mm overlap featheredge boards.
I’ll certainly check it out, always willing to learn! Thanks for watching!
I always thought featherboards were called that because they are feathered, a 1x6 cut through the middle at an angle so when you overlap the fat end goes over the top of the thin end, saves on timber but with the overlap effect (and reduces the fatness of the overlap).
Interesting, that certainly makes sense!
@@JoeEverest It's correct ,boards are 5 inches wide with a thickness of 5/8ths tapered down to 1/4 inch , I built panels to fit into my old concrete posts using 3 x 2 nominal pressure treated pine as the frame and vertical feather edge with a one inch overlap, it makes for a rattle free long life fence
yes feather edge is a tapered board, most fencing that we install here in the uk consists of these even our pre built panels 👍
Yep it's similar to our cedar siding
I smell a colab! @D&J Projects a wee trip to America for a "Fence off"?
There may have been something like this discussed…
Just popped over from the UK Joe, follow D&J and been told to say thanks for sending them the new camera tri pod & have subscibed mate. 👌
That’s awesome, so great to have you! Welcome to the #FenceFam!
I'm in Livermore California and my fence along with many others here have a variation of this staggered overlapping style. I believe my design is superior because both sides have the same appearance. Between the 4 x 4 treated posts is the following list of lumber (starting at the ground and going up). 1) 2 x 6 treated kick-board 2) 2 x 4 redwood (long side horizontal) 3) 1 x 1 redwood (2 pieces, 1 on each side of the 2 x 4. This forms the bottom channel for the staggered pickets) 4) 1 x 8 redwood pickets 5) 1 x 1 redwood (2 pieces) 6) 2 x 4 redwood (long side horizontal. This forms the top channel for the staggered pickets and is the top of the fence). The fence is safe to climb over because of the horizontal grain direction and can even be walked along because of the 4 by width. Fence is very easy to reinforce as well using an appropriately sized strap along the top, centered on the post and fastened to the post and 2 x 4 on either side.
Hi
I'm a fencer in wales uk
The only difference I would do to that fencing is posts every 6ft as those feather edge boards dint let any wind through, that garden looks pretty sheltered mind 👍
Great point! Thanks for weighing in!
@@JoeEverest no probs
Love your videos and content 👌
Hi Joe I'm not sure if it came across in the video but the rails we use in the UK for this type of fencing is not the same thickness you might imagine for example you might use 6 feet x 5 inches but the actual thickness of the feather edge boards is a little like a cheese wedge when viewed from above hard to describe really about 1/2" at one end down to 1/4 at the other D & J need to show you a photo 📸 really enjoyed tonight's video
@@ipaddy great information, I appreciate the detailed explanation!
6:54 LOL! Yeah, I've tried the snapping fingers to get the dishes done. It doesn't work in the US!
Definitely must be a UK thing!
That live with d&J was great. Appreciate all your content Joe!
Thanks so much! I appreciate your continued support!
15:32 Gaps still appear in the fence over time, but it's only noticeable from a certain angle. Still a lot better than the gaps you'd get from having the wood up against each other the traditional way.
I love that look! I mad I just build my back fence, in the standard US style. Well Joe if you wanna drive to STL I’ll volunteer my two side fences.
Feather edge boarding is cut chamfered. So it might be half inch down to quarter inch . It's like one big wedge
Good to know, I appreciate the clarification!
Hi joe typically with this style of fencing the featheredge only being 12mm thick tend to warp ever so slightly during the summer month which can lead to being able to see through the fencing at the right angle.
Featheredge fencing is best done with arris rails which are morticed into the posts. This allows you to alternate nailing the featheredge up which stops you being able to see through the fence
Good to know, I appreciate you sharing your experience!
Very nice!! I wish they had 7’ tall pickets, I’d build this with 7 footers for sure!!!
Kool beans! Never seen that feather style here in the US in my 40 years as a carpenter and it looks good to me!
Hi Joe, I own a landscaping company in the Uk too, its very common over here to use the overlapping feather board, see it all the time
I think it’s a great look!
I have been watching D&J for quite awhile and local to me. They are hard grafters and take pride in their work. I would use them if needing fence work. And what I love about this video is your appreciation and understanding of the job while obviously differences in methods used by yourself. As I see it great trades supporting each other which is refreshing as you see a lot of people dragging other trades down. Top notch vid. Much love uk 🇬🇧
We’re all in this thing together, the guys are legends!
Hi Joe don't know if you understand Featther edge boards are about 3 quarter inch thick on one edge and about 1 quarter inch thick on the opposite edge. So the boards are tapered. So thick edge overlaps over laps previous board thin edge.
Good to know, I appreciate the clarification!
You guys haven’t got the snapping fingers to work yet?! You really need to get this! It’s a life saver 😂
We’ve been working on this forever, but the STILL don’t work!
Seems like building a gate might be a challenge though with the feather edge style. Hinges might look a bit odd not laying flat. Trying to imagine how I would do that with the fence I'm building now. Not sure.
Hi Joe,
Great video - very gracious. I am a D&J subscriber and have joined your channel as well. Great vibe on both channels. Thank you, Joe. Keep 'em coming👍👍👍
Happy to have you, thanks for watching!
We also use feather edge panels with 2x 2 frames that we slot into the slotted H posts as you call them.That typically sit on top of the concrete 1 foot high gravel boards.
That’s great, seems like an incredibly strong system!
In the SW of the UK I use 4 of 3x2 rails and bump the kickboard out with noggins instead of nailing it to the bottom rail.
The extra rail works out around £2/metre and adds alot of extra strength/ wind resistance with staggered joins. Also stops the cladding drying and causing gaps in the fence.
Recessed capping to stop the tops of the boards parting and post caps.
Sounds like a great system, I appreciate you sharing it!
We also use a pair of 2x1s, top and third rail, about 1.6m if using 1.8 post centres. Marked every 100mm for board placement.
Excuse my switches between imperial and metric 🤣
Your shadow box style in the UK we call Hit & Miss
Awesome, I appreciate the info!
Well said joe, when I’ve done mine, I feather edged both sides but keeping a straight edge on the top so I could carpet off with a 4 inch chamfered edge 3.5 m lengths to stop the rain sitting on the top rail but that was for myself but a nice job 👍 D & J 👍👍
Sounds like a very nice fence 👍
Please tell me you will please begin to produce cement post and gravel boards and make panels that are easy to install. We need them here in the states. I always dreamed of a fence like that even before I heard of D&J. Give it a good think. lol
Side note, I enjoy the positivity here, which can be hard to come by these days. But I’ve never seen this style either, they did an amazing job here, It’s a really nice design.
I appreciate you watching and weighing in!
feather edge in UK is different thickness from one side to other--If I remember it is 3/8th on one side to 1/2 inch on other side- think taking a true 1 inch and run it through band saw at slight bevel..
I have a feeling that fence has too much lumber on one side and no counterweight on the other especially feather edge boards(pickets) are more than standard stocked. But look very nice I totally agree will have to try in TEXAS
6x1 and 4x2/4x4/8x2 etc etc are the general terms used in Australia. Perhaps there are some that use the term1x6 etc but I have not found them. I am a retired chippy who has built some pergola's and done a lot of fencing.
Taff absolutely is a grafter, when he retires the rest of D&J will have to work much harder. Taff is very popular here in Britain, he’s the oldest but definitely works the hardest !
Taff fucked off months ago due to health issues
I always chamfer the arris rails, so water runs off and doesn't sit on the timber.
Great point, thanks for weighing in!
Is called a board on board fence , at least here in texas
We call them spur posts in the UK, not grandfather posts.
I appreciate the clarification!
It’s actually godfather posts
Ive been a fencer in the UK for over 24 years and the rails should be chamfered to aid warter run off
Great information, I appreciate you sharing your experience!
Feather edge is 5 or 6 inch wide and from 1/4" to 3/4 or 1" thick depending upon the lumber yard and you only need to overlap 3/4 to 1" hope this is of some use to you.
That’s great information, I appreciate you sharing it!
Feather edge and kick boards!? Interesting! Nice work fellas
Agreed, I really like the system!
I like the way it looks
Agreed!
Feather edge you unheard of in your local? it's been known by me in Georgia for decades.
That looks pretty classy to be fair 👍🏻
Agreed, thanks for watching!
The feather edge boards are 3/4" thick one end down to zero the other side just so your aware
Good to know, the lumber yards here have no idea what I’m asking for!
Also the pickets are not 1 inch thick, there actually a gradient, so one edge is normally 12mm thick the other will be down to 4mm thick, this is where that are cut from a 1 x 6 on an. Angle so when they overlap they keep a uniform look and a less of an angle
Good to know, I appreciate the information!
Just to say even though this is 2 months late the feather edge board size is 125mm (5”) wide x 18mm (3/4”) thick which tapers down to 12mm (1/2”) x 1.83m (6’) high.
I appreciate the clarification! Better late than never!
I follow D&J projects. Them guys are top notch at fencing, especially Taff and Stevie..
Agreed, they’re all legends!
Wind load has to be more serious in the feather edge fencing they do though
Makes sense, it’s completely solid!
I’m like the feather edge. Ill be using it.
Agreed!
I like the looks of the feather edge. Just curious and couldn't tell on video. Do they cut angle on the bottom of the pickets to sit flush on kick board?
Great question, going back and looking at the video again and I don’t believe they did.
You can if you're fencing on steep ground.
If you use the recessed capping you also have to cut the top of the cladding to be able to get a proper cover
Most of the time those concrete spur posts are dug in to repair a rotten wooden post, bolted through with coach screws
Good to know, thanks for watching!
Hi have you thought about coming to UK for a visit you could get dave and stevie to take you on site to learn clicky fingers
Taff does most of the work for sure....Stevie does alot of talking......Taff always is digging, while Stevie commentates.....
WHT would you put a fence in front of a beautiful window???
Hi just letting you know in the UK we call them Spurs
Good to know, thanks for watching!
I have noticed every single fence installed with the 2x4 runners that are toe nailed in they shrink and pull loose after a few months/ year . Why do people it this way instead of running a 2x4 down the post and nailing the runner to it ?
I'm not really sure, it seems to be a regional thing?
I live in the UK and I assure you that they're not all as good as D&J. I have followed them from their beginning on CZcams and, I whish they were based nearer to me (and so do many people). I find them fantastic natural hard working men who deserve your worthy praise joe so thank you for giving them your approval.👍👍👍👍👍👍
Absolutely agreed!
He missed the first post being attached to the house!!!! Isn't that a no no due to settling of the house causing the fence to pull away????
I call them 'spurs'. Handy to fix a rotten fence post that has snapped at the ground level... just dig a hole in front of the broken post... bolt your spur to it... get the post level... then pour your concrete. easy peasy.
Good to know, I appreciate you weighing in!
Anyone ekse wondering about that conservatory and hie close fence is to it. Why would you build a window to look at a fence
Great job! Interesting concept " featheredged"!!
Agreed! Thanks for watching and weighing in!
We call em godfathers in Birmingham UK ,it's in the name godfather they look after older posts
Great information, I appreciate it!
I just unbolt the post from the grandfather and replace . That's the sole point of a grandfather
I'm just curious how do they keep it in the ground?
They cement them in its post crete, I believe!
Hi Joe, love the content buddy. I'm planning a fence and like the idea of feather edge but mine will be horizontal. I'm wondering if it would work as nice using regular pickets as i can't seem to find feather edge boards locally. What are your thoughts?
I don’t see why not!
I see a lot of those types if fences in US videos diy and handyman. I really dont understand it. I've NEVER seen it done that way in Aus. Also our holes are always 2 foot with concrete. If we use a kick rail its a 2 x 10
Good to know! Our holes in the States vary from 24”-30”, set with concrete.
I just saw a video of this guy saying he wishes he'd see more horizontal fences.
Half of it blew down in last storm we had
feather edge board is really flimsy thats why they are doing a 2" reveal instead of a more common 4-6" that they would do with a normal board.
Good to know, I appreciate the input!
Sooo, is the kick-board our colloquial version of a rot-board?
It certainly seems like it!
He keeps referencing 'cant rails'.. they're not..
A cant rail has a slight angle for rain to run off similar to an Arris rail.
Great clarification, thanks for weighing in!
i thought he was saying count rail, like counter rail lol, their accent is a bit like that.
Feather edge boards are chamfered on the width, one side is thinner than the other. You overlap the thinner edge.
Good to know, I appreciate the information!
lol is that carl froch behind the cam? sounds just like him
😂
feather edge boards are tapered for over lapping
Good to know, I appreciate the information!
@@JoeEverest i watched the chat video you had after with d&j before i realized theyd already said
great video
Thanks!
Strings should be used to keep posts straight... but not to keep pickets level.
Agreed!
Maybe for the kids. The wider ones are easier to climb without accidentally kicking off boards.
Great point!
"alotta kick boards used in Texas"
I feel personally called out
19:15 For the shout out
💯
I like the UK fence
Agreed!
Godfather..👍
Been doing it 20 years in the UK and every last step, I would have done entirely different, that’s a landscapers fence, not a fencers fence.
Interesting, I appreciate you weighing in!
Concrete godfather support post
I appreciate the correction, thanks for watching!
Or use arris rails. Water will run off
We sight everything in no string lines
Wow, great job!
Would you use dog ear for your feather edge?
I think we’d have to, I don’t know that feather edge boards are an option in the states?
Joe Everest looks like Bert Kriescher and Tom Segura’s grown up kid
😂 fair
Godfathers!
not only rot when running 2xs flat but big time sag
Interesting videos, but I have no idea why the algorithm has suddenly decided I need to see them! 😂
Who knows, I appreciate you watching all the same!
i know them as godfather posts
That is exactly what they are, I butchered the name 🤦♂️
It’s called a close board fence
I appreciate the clarification!
Always get rid of that type of ivy it slowly kills everything.
Good to know!
4x x pickets = 1ft of fence
🤘😎🤘🇬🇧
💯💯💯
Concrete spur posts pal
I appreciate the correction!
@@JoeEverest no problem love the content ,love from the uk 👍🏻
Godfathers
Thanks for the clarification!
Hi Joe,the c oncrete posts are reffered to as god father posts ;-)
Good to know, I appreciate the clarification!