What time signature is Money by Pink Floyd?
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2021
- CobbTV Studio presents a demystification of the time signature for Pink Floyds classic hit Money. Is it 7/4 or 7/8? Most people claim it's in 7/4 but not if David Gilmour has anything to say about it!
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I’ve gotten tons of comments on why I didn’t include Money in my 7/8 video or use it as the 7/4 example in my original time signature video, so here it is! Thanks for watching.
Pink Floyd is my favorite band, thanks for making a video about them
7/8, you count it fast
I'm no drummer just a guitarist who's always had the immense desire to drum but I always felt it to be 7/4. But when I heard Gilmour say 7/8 I chalked it up to my ignorance when it comes to theory in general. Glad to see I'm not the only one that felt 7/4
Always a treat to see an upload from cobby, legend in this shit
Great video, I agree with you on the 7/4
I would say a moderate 7/4 It's a walking bass , example as in beat one= 1crotchet , Beat 2= dotted quaver & semiquaver, followed by beats 3,4,5,6,7= crotchets , When it goes into 4/4 it's still a walking Bass at the same tempo as the 7/4 . and that is how I would write it out as it would be easy to follow "FOLLOW THE BASS LINE " for US = beat one = quarter note beat 2 =dotted eighth followed by a sixteenth note ,beats 3/4/5/6/7 all quarter notes.
I'll just take your word! You know the technicalities about time signatures much better than I do!!!
The song is in 7/4 time. It should be counted as 12ah3 4567 12ah3 4567. The reason for the "ah" in the count between the 2 and 3 is to give the song the "swing" feel that it has. The standard way to count 7/4 swing is to count 12 ah 34 ah 123 ah 12 ah 34 ah 123 ah......but there are many ways in which to use the "ah" to make the odd time swing. Counting it as 1234567 is just too "stiff" sounding and feeling. I hope this helps to clear up the 7/4 time feel. During my several years of drum lessons Joe Morello's book, "New Directions in Rhythm" is one of the books I studied from. It covered 5/4, 7/4, 9/8 and I can't remember if there were any others.
Rick Beato also agrees that Money is in 7/4. Glad I could find your video, helped me figure out how to make sense of it. I'm a guitar player. Trying to sing lead on this and at the same time, count in the single 007 tremolo spy chord has been a brain stretcher
If there was Metric Time, Cobb would know all its time signatures.
It feels like money in the bank.
But we can all agree it moves to 4/4 once the solo kicks in
7/8 sounds about right. I talked with Roger Waters on Yahoo chat in the private messages over 20 YEARS ago and I told him that I played guitar and he asked me if was I any good and then at the end, he told me who he really was.
Rog used Yahoo chat? Huh
@@troloquimicoxd69 in the 90s yes why not?
I feel both time signatures are correct...I also see the matrix tho
Awesome song for sure. My parents said my brother would freak out as a 3 year old when this song came on. He loves the song now. And he is old... Hah
I think it’s 7/4. If you listen to “Them Bones’ by AIC, which is in 7/8, the last beat is cut an 8th note short giving it the 7/8 feel instead of the 7/4 feel. Great video and explanation.
I don't think an interview can be seen as a reliable source. People says alot of things just to either get out or just mindlessly speaking about what's on their mind :/ It's also been years since they wrote money so I can understand if they don't remember the exact theory behind it either. But for me, 7/4
It was written in 7/8. Now, how you hear and play it is a different story. Enjoy playing. Stay happy.
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i think it felt like 7/4 and "is in 7/8" 🤣
you are so crazy smart 🤯 and people think im crazy smart. i need to practice these time signature snap - chants ! 🤣😄 because rhythm is so tricky
My Yamaha is in blue. Great vid guys
7 over 4 is the way i learnd it too , i guess id depends if you wanna divise ....
Cheers mate : )
Now play it 3 minutes into the track. Money starts with a 7/4 feel, but clearly after the solo when the momentum picks up, it switches to 7/8. So technically the song is in both 7/4 and 7/8.
Also, for anyone who is a drummer or plays regularly to a click... 7/8 and 7/4 are identical. The reason for chosing to put your song as one or the other really just comes down to preference and "feel". If I'm primarily playing quarter note accents on my hihat, I'm going to tell the band the beat is in 7/4. If I'm primarily playing 8th notes, I'll say it's in 7/8. Money is actually the song I use to help demonstrate that they are both the same. The amount of notes played within each bar typically decides which time signature makes the most sense.
Music theory and practical music composition wise, if it were between the two, the piece is probably in 7/4 because the primary beat division falls on each of the 7 beats. If it were in 7/8, the "beat" would realistically be syncopated by groups of 8th notes and an uneven beat (i.e. 2+2+3). A similar subdivision example to something in a typical 7/8 time piece would be Blue Rondo a la Turk, which is in 9/8 time (2+2+2+3 | 2+2+2+3 | 2+2+2+3 | 3+3+3...). Pat Metheny's First Circle alternates 12/8 and 10/8 bars (3+2+3+2+2 | 3+3+2+2 | 3+2+3+2+2 | 3+3+2+2...). Further, swinged notes generally only apply to quarter note divisions, where the eighths are swung and not sixteenths.
However, I would argue that the piece actually alternates 4/4 and 3/4. In music, 8-bar phrases are VERY common. If you listen to Money, you're hear the 4/4 + 3/4 sequence repeated four times, and then something else in the music changes. Musically, that makes more sense from a counting perspective; we try to keep the numbers simple when possible, and everyone knows drummers can't count that high lol. It is also quite uncommon to find time signatures in music that have more than 6 beats. 5/4 is fairly common, and sometimes we find 6/4. But I cannot honestly recall if I've ever seen 7/4. But I have seen 2.5/8 time before on a really old piece of Percy Grainger music.
So yeah. I'll probably die on the alternating 7/4 + 3/4 hill.
What about "city glacier" of Katatonia? Really appreciate your help YT community 😎🙏
I just see your video. It's a 7/4 played as a 4/4 and 3/4. It has been long talk with my guitarist who play as a 3/4 and a 4/4 !!!
And how are you playing the chorus gtr part ? 12/8 or 4/4 with triplet for the Hihat ?
Anyway, just play it and have fun !
7/8 and 7/4 ? Difference in notation only, how many flags you put on the stems, and what tempo marking is written on the page.
So I’ll go 7/4. But maybe as a non musician, is that when following what you did on drums wasn’t a repeat starting on the second measure? It looked and sounded different.. typically a drum thing repeats exactly what preceded?
7/4
…I thought it was in 9/8 for a long time. No wonder I could never count this song properly
I cannot believe that you could ever piss anybody off! Hmm, well maybe a little bit.
Did you get a black eye m8?
Yeah, I got punched in the face for wearing a wizard hat ;)
Literally the guy that wrote it said 7/8
You’re overthinking it. 7/8 would be the way to explain it to a bass player on the fly. 7/4 would be very confusing. It’s basically a quarter note groove with a triplet thrown in there…Now to write it out for someone who has never heard it, maybe 7/4 would work if the person is a master at sight reading…imho. Great video…
There's no difference between 7/8 and 7/4. The numbers on the bottom don't mean anything. The number on the top matters because it tells you which beat is emphasized. The number on the bottom is for writing squiggles on paper, which has nothing to do with music.
And yes, tempo and feel and subdivisions all exist, but have nothing to do with the bottom number. There is no tempo or feel that is directly related to 7/8 as opposed to 7/4. We need to abolish the bottom number as a music community.
what about irrational time signatures (stuff like 2/3 time, 7/12 time, etc.)
@@aldobernaltvbernal8745 again, if you write 7/3, you might be trying to convey 7/x with triplet feel, or 21/x, or you could just be writing something that would normally be 7/4. It's not a meaningful indicator, in my opinion
Gilmour says 7/8, but he's a rock musician, which means he probably plays mostly by ear and might be completely ignorant about theory.
I say 7/4, but I'm a rock musician, which means I probably play mostly by ear and might be completely ignorant about theory.
Anyone of culture enjoys the song, and maybe at some point, utterly frivolous nitpicking is utterly frivolous nitpicking
So long as we can communicate what's needed to play together, i'd figure either meter will yield the same result.
Of course it is in 7/4.
It's really a good song
It was 7/8. David Gilmour said it.
Nice bruise
Neither 7/8 or 7/4. It’s in 21/8. 7 dotted quarter notes per measure.
The drums are 7/4 the base is 7/8.
Dude
it's so easily 7 4 no reason to write it in 7 8, the accents are on the one, the 4 and the 7, no way in hell you make it 7 8 like that, maybe if you measure it as different sub-time signature of 8th notes or have a very, very slow tempo, no reason that will be written as 7 8.
The intro clearly sounds like a bar of 4/4 followed by a bar of 3/4. Why complicate it with this 7/4 mumbo jumbo?Count it as
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 with the accent on 1. Who the hell counts 1 2 3 4 5 6 7? That is nonsense.