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- čas přidán 28. 02. 2018
- Why are shopping malls dying? What does it say about the economy? Is an abandoned mall a sign of things to come? Producer Sam Grant explores both the birth and death of the shopping mall as we know it today!
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What I'd love to see is malls being turned into some sort of affordably housing instead of being outright abandoned
That's pretty much what my semi-local mall is being renovated into, once the last few contracts left in the mall expire. Err, well I don't know if it will be affordable, but it will definitely be housing. It's Fiesta Mall in AZ btw :3
Link Greene exactly!
I love this, but it's unfortunately unlikely for a lot of complicated reasons.
In most cases, it's because the land still belongs to holding companies who are literally sitting on their assets while waiting for buyers or lessees to appear who just aren't interested because the land is being sold "as is" with pre-existing structure that no one wants. In every case I've ever seen, dead malls either literally crumble into ruins or are torn down for development, typically Walmart in the places I've lived.
Also, as you saw in the video; these buildings required expensive and frequent maintenance. Malls literally fall apart within years of closing; it's bizarre to watch. They were built to attract and impress, not to last.
All I'm saying is, knowing what I know about malls, I wouldn't wanna live in one no matter how low the rent was.
They could even be renovated into communal housing complexes. It doesn't just have to be boring, old affordable housing. Instead, they could actually be made into a pretty nice place to live at a very affordable price
They're so large that you could potentially make a small enclosed town with it's own little government. There could be a cafeteria/buffet, that feeds everyone just for a small monthly fee. There could be a gym and maybe even an indoor farm
One suggestion I heard about was to convert some into senior housing with some services and shops. Not sure it was done though.
If they want to make malls like town centers, cities and towns with slowly dying malls should strike deals with mall owners to partially convert some larger retail spaces into rec-centers if they don't already have one. Open small clinic if the town doesn't have a nearby hospital. If there are aging school buildings that needs to be shut down, move them into the mall. With a large enough space, kids can have a playground recess even during the dead of winter.
This is actually a really good advice. I would say put a bunch of pharmacies, swimming pools, gyms, movie theaters, community centers, heck even add a school there. (or school's theater, gym) Along with a food court. That will keep them afloat.
But then again, why does it have to be a mall. All those features are provided by city-centers. Doesn't really have to be a mall.
One of the best ideas I have heard. It would be nice. I'm afraid that in large cities this would be too costly. In Southern California for example the big mall stores shutting down are properties worth hundreds of millions. At very best we might see here a bunch of high priced condos and new houses. This disturbs my sleep.
Really awesome idea, but the land is privately owned and typically a lot more valuable than the government would be willing to pay for a school. I think that would be so awesome tho
ArchOfWinter Some of these old malls have been converted into concert halls for events, so that’s kind of what’s happening with some of them.
Others are being picked by Amazon to become hub buildings, some are being made into churches, some apartments, and some of them are even being converted into medical clinics and universities. Luckily, these old buildings can be given a new and better purpose, or some of them at least.
I’ll have to explain so much to my son when we watch Mallrats, Fast Times, Clueless, etc....
I can drive 30 minutes to the mall, spend 15 minutes parking and walking in, say another 15 minutes finding the thing, standing in line, purchasing. 15 minutes back to car, 30 minutes home. Hour 45 minutes. Or I could spend 5 minutes looking on Amazon and it is delivered to my door same day or next day. No crowds, no dealing with minimum wage retail people who hate me, no traffic, no brainer.
I get it, but Amazon treats their workers terribly.
@@I_WANT_MY_SLAW That's kind of a myth. My wife works in an Amazon warehouse and likes it. What you hear about them over working people is actually a bunch of lazy assholes that can't keep up with the demands of working in a warehouse. Imagine that, working while you are at work. My wife gets paid well and has good benefits, but she does work hard for them.
@@tootype2crazy Your definition of lazy assholes is people who don't want to be treated terribly at work.
Anecdotes are not evidence.
Well, I don’t really go to the mall to buy one thing. I love going to the mall and it’s mostly to hang out with friends.
Here in the UK, most malls are really just like covered high streets. They are usually in the center of towns and cities and form a major part of the city center shopping experience. In my City there are 3 within walking distance of each other but they all have different stores and are all really convenient to get to.
I think one of the reasons they work here is our lack of open space and how close our cities actually are. You don't have to make a journey all the way out to a mall as you do in a lot of other countries. The malls that are outside of cities are usually large places where you can take a day trip to go shopping and come home with clothing, homewares, and furniture from stores like Ikea but most of our shopping centers are usually located near major transport links.
The advent of e-commerce has had its toll on Malls here in Germany as well. However, most of them seem to have just shifted their business model. The nearest mall I can think of at the moment is specializing itself in providing health care and wellness commodities.
Well, the malls in my Home Town aren't doing great. Shopping there just isn't as attractive as shopping in the town center. In a mall, you feel like all they want is your money, not like its actually meant to be enjoyable.
Thinking of it... All popular malls are in dense urban areas or town centers. They all offer some kind of internal car park but are also easily accessible by foot, bicycle and public transport. Perhaps this hub status is why they manage to stay attractive.
Same here in parts of California. Malls with Medical Clinics that were once a lot of movie theaters. With 65 inch TV's costing 600 bucks less people are going to the movies. I will miss shopping malls for one reason. I like going during the holidays. Not to shop much. Just to see all of the pretty lights and hear all of the holiday music.
Greetings from America! I’m interested, What kind of health care and wellness commodities?
The mall in my town was definitely on a road to collapse, but then a massive new movie theater opened in it and became the only one in town. And now a new owner has bought it and they're definitely revamping the place. Honestly I don't go to malls that much and I'm not that big of a shopper, but I hope they don't disappear completely
I agree. It sort of feels like a very big part of many folks' lifestyles are vanishing.
As little as 20 years ago, my town had 3 malls. As of today, two of those have been converted from "indoor" to strip style. We had one new one built (also strip style), and our last remaining indoor mall is struggling. The anchor stores were a large grocery store and Sears. Sears went out of business across Canada, and the grocery store is now a large dollar store. Realistically, I wouldn't be surprised if that mall went dead within the next 10 years, but I would definitely miss it.
Online shopping is not the only reason malls in the USA are closing, another big reason is the growth of big box deep discount retail stores like Walmart and Target. Why go to a mall and visit a dozen or more shops to get what you need when you can get everything from Bacon to Bras to Bullets all in a single store and all at some of the cheapest prices out there.
In Australia on the other hand, malls (or shopping centres as we like to call them) are booming. Westfield (one of the biggest shopping centre owners in the country) is spending up big on their centres all over Australia. Smaller centres (right down to those that have a single supermarket as the anchor store) are also booming.
Here in Oz though the "big box" store ala Walmart or Target in the US never took off (it was tried in the 1980s by at least one retailer but was a market failure and even then the big box stores where still attached to shopping centres rather than being big standalone outlets).
I would love to see malls turned into indoor vertical farming centers providing local produce to communities year round
Really logical thinking. Recreate the farming industry.
I am working on a project like this. I have been studying aeroponic and aquaponic design. Stuff is wild haha
Thats a great idea
Love this idea for abandoned ones.
@@buenobomb how cool is it going to be put in an abandoned mall? I think the way of the future with all the retail graveyards that are existing and will continue to pop up here in the US this would be a great idea.
I hate malls, they are overcrowded, confusing and full of chain stores with low quality overpriced junk.
That's always been my problem with them, especially during the holiday season.
I hate people. and people are at malls.
*hes craigety craig... craig with a wig* **ding**
Don't forget pushy sale clerks in those little islands.
Now if malls actually did interesting stuff, like combine theatres with fitness studios and other neat things id go again. Maybe put a library in there, more greenery and private nooks where people can relax. The mall isn't dead: it just needs a visionary to revive a great concept. People will always like to congregate in friendly crowds. Make that possible and the mall survives.
I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
I had to go to the mall to return some stuff this past weekend and it reminded me why I haven’t been to a mall in the past 2 years. Interacting with the general public sucks. Rather shop from the comfort of my home.
Our malls aren't closed, but lots of the little stores AND some of the anchor stores have gone away. When I go to a mall, it is only because something is FORCING me to--like needing to make a return at a Sephora location from a product I'd bought online. Now that we have a Sephora standalone location that's convenient to get to (just opened a couple weeks ago), I would rather go there.
I have two issues with malls: 1) I am suspicious that the prices are not actually the best price I can get, and feel like I NEED to look up the item on my phone to check if it's cheaper somewhere else--this is very time consuming to do on a phone
2) I have social anxiety, which is more common than you might think. I see the hassle of returning clothing that doesn't fit via post as a minor burden compared to the symptoms my body goes through if I attempt to try things on in a changing room at the mall. I don't want to be offered help, I don't want to worry that I am taking too long, I don't want to be feeling bad about my body *in public* if that's what's going on for me that day, and I don't like the sweating and respiration issues that come with social anxiety for me.
So yeah! Online retail can be more accessible, quicker, and I can shop while socializing with friends from all over the world. I can ask "you think this'd look good on me?" to my friend in the UK, etc. Plus, the abandoned malls are so cool, they remind me of Beyoncé's Superpower video
Some big stores like Best Buy for example are doing online business. The also have an eBay store and you can return items that you buy on eBay to the local Best Buy store. Best Buy is not one of the stores going out of business. They are not as crowded as the used to be. They are running so efficiently people don't need to stand in long lines.
I have not been to a mall in years. They mostly sell junk. The only store I ever looked forward to was GameStop.
0:34 that mall suspiciously looks like the one in the last of us. longshot maybe.
Interesting, in the uk malls nare doing ok. I guess we didnt build as many in the first place
Same in Canada. Generally there is only 1 mall per town and the rest of the stores are in plazas.
@fabian in my tiny little market town we have 2, both failing. Next city over has 3 failing ones.. and I am down south.. supposed to have all the money here
Yeah, I'd vouch for that. Many places don't even have them, they have outside plazas
They WAY overbuilt them in the US. It was incredible how many they built.
There are malls and big stores here in So. California that are hanging in too.
Fond du Lac, WI - 3 of 4 anchor stores closed, a good 1/3 to 1/2 of the stores inside the mall closed...it's only a matter of time
Lets Go To The Mall - Robin Spark
Malls have NEVER been public spaces because they are privately owned. Try staging a protest in a mall. You'll find yourself at best escorted out by security and at worst arrested. Try taking a lot of photographs or video in a mall. Try playing music in a mall. Same results. Obviously beggars are not permitted in a mall. For malls to be public spaces they'd have to be owned and operated by the municipality or even the state and/or their interiors defined by law as public property/space.
Ironically, two malls in town have experienced resurgences in the past few years. Both were smaller malls that had been eclipsed by newer giant malls. Both had become mostly vacant, with their anchor stores all closed. Then, in both cases, a "big box" store opened up adjacent/contiguous to, bringing more business to the area, and both malls remodeled and have experienced growth. (In both cases, the big box stores do not enter in to the mall "hallways," but have their own entrances from the parking lot; but the presence of them seems to have revitalized the smaller stores inside the malls-proper.)
And, perhaps strangely, but nicely, both malls have filled mostly with small independent, locally-owned stores, not standard mall-chain franchises.
Most malls I have visited are very expensive with hardly any discount stores.
As a mall-walker, I like emptying malls because it's much easier to do laps with fewer people. That said, I always think about what will eventually happen to our local mall space. I like to think that it might be used to rejuvenate community-life. The "track space" provides walkers like myself a great place to go during the winter. I envisage that the vacant former store spaces might be reconfigured into a smorgasbord of sporting venues, exercise facilities/gym, game centers, daycare, forums for hobbyists, youth activity center, and whatever else might bring, otherwise, isolated people together. Local/state revenue would cover the cost so that fees are either extremely low or absent. In line w/the philosophy of communal living, people could volunteer their time by working in the specific civic centers.
Is that Hank Green's background?
The malls where I live (metro Vancouver) are undergoing a major overhaul. They are being turned into town centres by removing a lot of the parking and building dense housing on the property, with tall buildings that are mixed-use (retail/residential). They are bringing elements of nature in like trees and green spaces, incorporating artificial streams, building outdoor playspaces for kids and lots of seating that will allow people to come and relax. The amenities are being diversified as well with cultural and artistic propositions. See "Lougheed", "Oakridge" or "Brentwood" redevelopment.
There are things called outlet malls and they seem to be doing well.
I'd be very sad if our mall ever closed down.😢 it's already on the Dead Mall Regestery.
The mall in my hometown has a movie theatre and that is the only reason it still exists
Same here. Maybe 30 vacant store facilities are blocked off but the Theater is going strong.
they should just turn them into apartments/housing
They turned the Arcade Providence in Rhode Island into micro-apartments, and it seems to be working out pretty well. So this is definitely an option.
Seems a bit tough to do but ok. I think it was done before
HydrangeaDragon Some have been, others Amazon hubs, churches, concert halls, and even medical clinics and universities
Free food and cheese giveaway centers.
2 out of 3 in Tulsa, Ok are gone and I remember going to both of the closed ones as a kid. Idk what they are now but one was a call center at one point.
I've been through a couple "Dead malls" before they were dead, where there was literally 3 stores or less left. It's DEFINITELY eerie, ESPECIALLY if youve been there before and know what it USED to be like. It is what it is, but it's still an uneasy feeling knowing that you are one of the few people that are seeing this now that everyone else has moved on.
I have avoided these malls as much as I possibly could. Especially during the holidays.
In my area around USF they built a new mall just 5 miles up the road and left the old mall to slowly die. The old mall was in a terrible neighborhood and would drive out of my way to further mall before the new one was built. Only thing I hate is all the new malls are outdoor which is terrible in the summer in central Florida. It’s either hot or a thunderstorm
I've heard it said that too many malls too close together caused this but the ones that survive will hopefully remain. Like Summit Mall in Akron OH. I would miss our mall I love to go and people watch, shop, get oil changed at good year and walk the mall waiting, get a cup of coffee and a bite to eat there on cold and very hot days. I believe if they brought in live music , local farm markets, a work out facility, youth activity center, grocery store, minute clinics could help sustain remaining malls. Not sure it would be financially, zoning and architecturally feasible though.
I live in Leeds, UK. Full of shopping malls (known as shopping centres over here) and all are always packed daily.
Which goes to show - the biggest, strongest, best-known stores or retail establishments can expand, peak, and then die. It happened with huge local downtown department stores; it happened to Woolworth; it's happening to Sears and Penney's, and it's happening to malls. It happened to independent movie theaters as well. Wherever you live in the USA, your town or city had a bunch of businesses 50 or 60 or 70 years ago that nobody could imagine doing without, and they're gone now.
In Hungary there story is entirely different. This giants built in citycenter hot spots most of them extremly successfull nowadays.
They've been dying since the early 2000's mate.
I have been visiting alot of malls lately and wondering about their future. What I've started noticing is there is still alot of retired folks there. Pickleball Courts are in a few, one actually had an meidcal care attached. I realize it sounds weird to say they would make pretty awesome places for retired folks... but you put the right hobby shops, gyms and all that in there... kind of perfect. The parking lots could be modified to green spaces for RV parking for snowbirds... I mean... When I retire in 20 years, I would love that. I'd by shares or lots or HOAs into that now if they did something like that.
Not enough bbq rib shops, not to mention retailers refusing to take food stamps.
For me, one of the most off-putting things about malls was the fact they were so damn expensive. In the early 90's, I bought most of my clothes at Marshall's, JCPenney and Ross. Then came the grunge music era where most kids were rebelling against cost-prohibitive, high-priced designer clothing. Second-hand stores and thrift shops were doing great. The industry responded to fill the gap between mall-priced clothing and thrift stores. Then came more reasonable places like Kohl's, Old Navy, retail outlet stores and yes, e-commerce. For decades the mall was the only game in town and they knew it. They formulated their business models around it to maximize revenue and refused to budge until it was too late. Back in the mid-90's the writing was already on the wall, malls were no longer the cash cows the once were. But, the developers failed to do a serious re-evaluation of their revenue model. Basically, all they had to do was lower the damn rent so stores could charge less. The demise of the American indoor shopping mall is just a case of eliminating the middle man. Throw in a couple recessions here and there and lots of malls' fates were sealed. Not all malls are closing, some will not only survive but thrive on the fact there's now less competition. The malls still thriving are the ones who have the best location, and are also sufficiently geographically removed from other malls as to avoid diminishing returns. Finally, as the video mentioned they anchor-store model was flawed. It was simply not sustainable because these department stores far overestimated their demand. At one point in Dallas, there were four Macy's stores. Dallas is no one-horse town, but there's no way it could sustain four Macy's even in the best economy. They were all within 20 miles of each other and that's too many. When Macy's shutdown a bunch of stores, they cited every reason except the fact they overbuilt. The latest mall to bite the dust near me is Collin Creek Mall in Plano, TX. At the time of this comment (5/25/2019), it's slated to close at the end of this July. A new investor is going to raze a large portion of it and build a mixed use development.
Yes with malls comes very expensive rents for merchants. They pass that onto consumers. This is part of its demise too costly in a climate of cheap online sales.
I noticed recently that the mall in my town has a lot of empty shops. They try to mask it, though, but putting up big signs over the shuttered stores that read “You are at the center of the latest trends.”
Southampton in the uk in 2008 had 4 shopping malls with a 5 minute walk between the furthest 2 apart. Today of those 4, 2 are still open. One called west quay, a massive beast in the middle of town which absorbed the life out of the other two (bargate and east street) and one called the mall which has survived through being on the main stretch of the high street but far enough from west quay to not lose business.
The last indoor shopping mall built in the United States was in 2006. With the rise of online shopping, big retailers are closing their stores causing malls to struggle.
In Vienna Malls work out as far as I can tell. Some are extremely big and almost always full of people. Most of them have entertainment quarters with fast food restaurants, dinner restaurants, bowling, billard, a cinema, bars, etc.
And many visit them just to spend time together. Kinda funny how Malls work out in the culture Gruen grew up with but his ideas probably failed in the US bc of greed and affordable property.
We still have many streets overflowing with shops bc no one would be able to afford that much property near those streets nor would the government allow the deconstruction of most buildings in said streets bc they're a representation of Austrian culture.
We don't have a mall in my tiny hometown (in southern Finland), so going shopping to the capital was always this rare, big event! Nowadays, living in the capital, I don't really like malls, they're all the same and always have the same stores, but they do provide a nice warm indoor space during winter, so there's that atleast.
There is something about shopping malls that will always make me think of Christmas time and Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. But other than that, I can't think of a reason to miss them.
Delaware had one mall that no one liked and was poorly maintained one day they decided to fix it up and now it's become one of the most popular area's in all of northern Delaware. Not only is the mall itself booming but now they're building things all around the actual mall in smaller strip malls directly next to the actual mall. It's location directly viewable off of i95 leads me to believe it's not going anywhere anytime soon. Not to mention in addition to the movie theater added a few years ago they're now adding Bowling, Laser Tag, and Ziplines all to this same area.
What is "bowling"?
Darn, I could've used this video a couple of weeks ago when I gave a talk on socio-economic themes in a video game at a con. Mall death didn't play a huge part, but I did also touch upon it from an employment pov.
Either way, an interesting subject and great video.
Here in tulsa we had 4 malls, i dont remember the name of the first one that shutdown in the late 90s, but after in like 2005 the eastland mall shutdown and was repurposed, i took my drivers test there, then we have our dying promenade mall, its occupancy is at 40%. Its totally fucked, the area its located in is now part of the ghettos. Then we have our top mall the woodland hills mall which isnt doing the best either, losing 1 of its 4 anchor stores. It too is located in a ghetto area.
"Mall archeologists" are nothing more than self proclaimed urban explorers. I don't know whether to laud them or cast them off as crazy for potentially putting themselves in bad situations.
Not sure about the mall concept but I believe there will always be a place for brick and mortar stores. If I need a pair of shoes, I want to go to a local shoe store to try them on today to see if they are comfortable, not wait several days and find out the shoes pinch. then I have to send them back and start the process over again. I want to see a TV in the store to see if I like the picture. And frankly, with shipping charges added, prices on Amazon are comparable to stores.
There is a mall near me that is 2/3rds abandon, with a handful of stores still open while the rest of it is empty.
have several malls here in gothenburg, the 2 biggest ones will not go away any time soon due to where they are located, frölunda torg is in the center of the south-western gothenburg and is a public transport hub besides being a mall, same with nordstan in downtown gothenburg, but its in between 3 major public transport hubs, 1 of which is the central station for buses and trains.
i actually dont see any malls that are going to die any time soon here in sweden because almost all of shops in the malls have a online section as well and lets you reserve a product to get at your local store
The mall in my town is an outdoor kinda downtown/Main Street concept that I think Victor Gruen would have enjoyed........unfortunately it never had a chance to "die" because it never opened due to lack of money in 2008
Turn them into paintball and/or laser tag centers.
There used to be a mall here, in Minnesota, that had laser tag and mini-golf. Of course, now there are bigger malls with amusement parks inside, so.. hopefully, we can turn all the empty malls into paintball/laser tag arenas.
YES o_O MUST HAPPEN
My mall lost it’s anchor store “Sears” and a ton of the shops inside dissolved. It feels like a ghost mall, the only thing keeping it going is the Walmart
why are malls dying? Lets see.. high prices, no parking, often off-brand or knock-off products, loud hard uncomfortable spaces, a disproportionate amount of crime (theft, stabbings, shootings, rape, etc.)
I mean... malls are sort of where the worst of humanity go... but then again I grew up near Salinas. Maybe not all malls are like that, but a few experiences there and I never want to see another mall again even though I dont live anywhere near there now.
About the only thing that will get me in my mall here is the apple store... and that only because (while I dont own any apple products) many of my clients need apple parts immediately, and thats where you go to get them.
Oh, and notice my clients arent going to the apple store. No way! too crowded, noisy, always unnecessary up-selling, and slow service! They send me instead.
This makes me really sad for some reason. I didn’t ever spend a lot of time at the mall, but it always represented socializing and a place people could all go together and have fun at the same time they bought things. The future looks more and more like there’s going to be nothing forcing us to get off our asses and see/talk to each other.
I used to love to cruise for gay sex at malls when gay sex was illegal. Now it's as boring as everything else and I can just get a hooker to visit my apartment.
Oh yea here in upstate NY there are a lot of shopping malls that have closed their doors. One in Saratoga, Colonie shopping center, Latham shopping mall.. and more than likely others. To be honest I don’t miss them. I do think however it would be great if they could use all that empty space for the homeless. That definitely would not happen but it’s a nice thought I suppose.
This is happening in Canada as well. Market Mall is one of the largest malls in Calgary. As a teen 30+ years ago I never would have thought I would walk in there in 2019 and see closed store fronts and lease signs. It was a happening place. The mall is trying to attract trendy American retailers with cheaper rent in hopes of filling vacancies. But I think that is just wishful thinking at best. If the Hudson's Bay that is the primary anchor store were to close, then that will push the mall into rapud decline.
malls are refusing to innovate. they haven't changed in layout or services since they opened decades ago. it sucks but that's capitalism for ya
x American Capitolism. 'Lets build it in stone' because there's nothing more reliable than the superficial whims of teenagers. In the past those whims lasted decades. Now, they last years/months. Take Snapchat, for instance. Venice Beach CA's bottom line depends alot on 14 year old girls, and boys, and the mood their in.
And I thought all American Economic models were as ideologically impenetrable, , as Sean Hannity's daily morning appointment of rubbing rogaine on Donald's bald spot.
The malls declined, because they continued to offer products that are found easier and cheaper online. Why expend time and gas in hopes of finding what you want at the mall when you know you can order it online for half the price?
Malls are dying, but shopping centers that are actually designed to be like centers of community are doing really well, at least in the places where I've visited.
Honestly I use a mall for Christmas and even then I hate it. I live in Christchurch, there are so many malls here it's ridiculous!
I think malls are getting a makeover. My local mall is turning into an outdoor open space with the anchor store intact.
Two malls near me, one is very popular and at the intersection of two extremely busy roads however they are going to loose Macy’s later this year so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
The other is right off the freeway but in a slow decline, if the owners don’t do something it will be a dead mall in a decade or so. They still have 3 of there 4 anchors. Sears closed two years ago and there are rumors Dillard’s will leave and fill the Macy’s space at the other mall. If that happens then the only anchors left will be JCPenney and Cinemark
The money they charge in rent in these malls is ridiculous, it causes the tenants to raise prices on their merchandise thus causing me to shop at wally world. I really do miss the space port arcade room!!
I think the death of malls is one part of a larger problem... The death of the middle class, maybe? Or easier, cheaper shopping provided by Walmart and the like....online shopping edging out brick snd mortar stores? Some mix of all of that, as well as countless other factors I didn't mention, maybe?
Yeah. Good insight.
Amazon, online shopping, and stores like Walmart and Target.
I have never seen a shopping centre close near me in Australia, they all got bigger over time
My city's metropolitan area has one of the biggest malls in Canada, and it has expanded in my lifetime, instead of declined. But, I hadn't been to this mall in years until my new roommate asked me to come with her for moral support to navigate the anxiety-inducing place. One thing I noticed at the mall is the diversity of people who go there who I don't see in other parts of the city (which have become so niche-y, gentrified, classist ect). First off, the physical space is more accessible than the average street/park/public area. Folks with wheelchairs and certain mobility issues can travel for a long time without navigating slopes, wonky pavement, pain-causing weather changes ect. There are also many more folks with children around and when I think about it, a mall feels safer at all hours of the day than navigating the average street with cars and its fear inducing alleyways at later hours.
As much as I hate the over-consumptive capitalism it feeds and represents, there is something to be said about the design of the places. I think malls may need to bring back the 80s "mall tour" concerts to feed the halls with the echos and screams of teenyboppers. :P
What I find fascinating, and a little surreal, is that the field of archaeology, once associated with things thousands of years in the past, is increasingly being applied to phenomena within living memory and still extant! There's the field of aviation archaeology too. It plays up the exponentially increasing speed of progress in all kinds of things--technology, commerce--and, in some cases, probably their obsolescence too. In addition, it suggests the noosphere is evolving to ever greater and closer introspection. And it has another effect, too: It makes us feel old! I was born three years before the first shopping mall, and the airplane was only six years old when my mother was born. Now in both cases archaeologists are involved! How about _that?_
I honestly had not even the most remote idea malls were falling out of favor and vanishing. Although I do suppose I haven't been to one myself in a very long time.
i wonder if the internet fills the need of the social meeting space or 3rd place that we used to need, as much as filling the retail needs?
Imagine the potential building you can do with an abandoned mall. I’m talking rec centers, schools, you name it.
And who is going to pay for it?
Malls seem to have done worst at achieving their original intended goals in the place where they were conceived. A bit of world travel and I think of the mall as the place where you find the 24 hour pharmacy, a walk in clinic, a couple government offices, a grocery store, and a hardware store all in one place with a variety of shops taking advantage of you walking between those. Most malls don't have all of those (only one I can think of that has all is Square One in Mississauga), but most have 3-4 of the 5 listed.
Very different than the image of the mall I had when I lived in the states. Also, outside the states, malls don't seem to be in decline.
I can't imagine the idea of going out to shop ever dying out.
There's something to be said about physically picking up and looking at/trying an item before you buy it. It helps promote build quality over cost.
This is a concept for " civilized" people, it dont work with theiving animals.
The mall in my town was slowly dying throughout my high school years. It went from being a place with tons of cool, diverse stores to virtually nothing. Then, a few years ago someone decided to "rejuvenate" the mall, by making it part-outdoor, part-indoor. It's still kinda pointless, though, because over half of the units now are just restaurants, so there are just as few stores as before, and the *mall* part is really small and still mostly empty. It's like a zombie mall.
Most interesting stat was the square foot of retail per capita here vs europe . Wow. Can we say "empty" or "vapid"?
I am not a very nostalgic person, although I worked at and spent a bit of time in malls as a teenager. I don't really care if they all go away. Amazingly, the area I live now just opened a new high end mall in 2016. We are a growing community and the amount of retail space added in the area in the last ten years is astonishing - most in strip centers and open mall concept. I attribute this to our population growth and perhaps being slightly under served with some big brand stores. But if 90% of it all went away, I would not lose any sleep. All it is is consumerism, which I hope more people wake up some day and figure out that most of the crap they buy won't buy them happiness and is unnecessary to having a fulfilling life. One can only hope.
Enjoyed the video.
Drive in theatres boomed at one time as did full service gas stations.
Perhaps there demise is one or a combination of e-commerce or penny pinching or the aging out of the baby boomer population .
Some malls are cool, like the miami dolphan mall. Some malls are crap, like the one at the bellagio in las vegas. How many watch stores do you need???
The closest mall to me just added a huge expansion a few years ago. It's gigantic and I don't think it's having any trouble with business. They just got a Wal-Mart that moved from another (really bad) mall close by. That other (bad) mall will probably close if it can't replace the Wal-Mart with something.
Bl'ks ruin everything.
What's the music at 1:19? It's in all Good stuff episodes.
Utah's malls seems to have evolved. Though we lost one, (Cottonwood Mall), we gotten another one to replace it, City Creek. City Creek is almost like a mixed-use development. Many malls across the state is either changing to the current demographic, and adding or replacing features to promote a healthy lifestyle. Either way, these shopping centers are also seeing a growth of new housing development and hotels around them. So the state is fine as to what I can see.
Mexico has also seen a rise of malls, surprisingly, with one being built every month. These new malls are more open air and I see a lot of people still go them, I tend to go to them. There are also a bunch of little strip malls in new neighborhoods. I wonder when the bubble will pop.
Hmmm ....in the Philippines its opposite. Malls are booming because people need malls during hot daytime
Armed guards ( machine guns) at every entrance to keep out the riff raft, unlike in USA.
Imagine if malls were converted into incredible community learning centers (think libraries but to such a higher extent). I picture something like what Sudbury schools do. A true place for community, young and old. Not centered around shopping, but community and education. There's not piles of money in it initially, but there could be with the right approach. It doesn't have to be the center focus, and that was the flaw in the man's concept.
Wth in my country the just demolished the building if it’s closed
The real reason is e-commerce. It's butchering shops all across the world. And the concentrated big firms like Malls are the first ones to fall.
It's nothing bad though, it's just free market. I once bought cleaning products from the supermarket. Now I make them myself. Cutting costs and being more environmentally friendly not tossing all that plastic in the world and just reusing the same one.
I think the only reason our mall is still open is because the food court. It's really all I see people doing in there is eating and then leaving.
Do a follow-up to The Plant: going off-grid video!
Not going to miss them
Make a second part to this covering the deterioration of Keven James’ movie carrier.
I’m a few miles away from the King of Prussia Plaza. That thing isn’t going anywhere any time soon. It’s so damn big, it’s a great place to socialize with your friends - you can disappear into the crowd as soon as you’re fed up with social interaction, never to be heard from again!
The Galleria Mall in Redondo Beach, CA is not going away either. It is full of stores with only a few vacancies. Prices are way up there too. Some people really like going to a mall. A Mom and Daughter might go spend a Saturday afternoon shopping and browsing around. At very least they serve as a showcase for stuff you can buy from Amazon. The thing is, Amazon offers some things that stores do not. One is Respect and a friendly helpful staff hat will call you with just a click of your Mouse.
This is very far from happening in Brazil
A new mall was opened near where I live in Japan
I don't think the concept of malls will die out, insted it will just be big malls that die out but local malls might use this to there advantage because they no longer have big companies at there door step they can breath easy and start small business in there local area and probably make small mall like places for people to shop in and relax
People don't leave their houses anymore except to go to work.
I'd be sad if the mall in my childhood town closed. The shithole I live in now never had a mall.
i never had a mall in my town
Thank you for pronouncing Edina correctly. It really irks me when creators don't do their homework. I wish malls incorporated more social centers like YMCAs, Senior Care services, early childhood education or care and dedicated public event spaces. Parking is free at malls but expensive and difficult in cities/downtowns.I still prefer to shop at malls because I can't get a fresh Orange Julius from Amazon.
I would miss them too. Also because of nostalgic.
Well that's capitalism. But maybe you can create something new out of these buildings that were once malls. I don't know, there should be some useful (socially) possibilities 🤔
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