The Beasts and the One Great | Elden Ring Lore and Theory
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- Elden Ring features several beastmen as major characters throughout the game. Maliketh, Serosh, and Blaidd are the major examples, and minor beastmen make up most of the enemies in the mysterious Farum Azula. In this video, we use the beasts to help explain the history of the Lands Between along with the true nature of the Two and Three Fingers.
Music used:
Elden Ring OST - Farum Azula
Elden Ring OST - Beast Clergyman
Elden Ring OST - Regal Ancestor Spirit
Elden Ring OST - Subterranean Shunning Grounds
Elden Ring OST - Omen Illusion
Dark Souls OST - Elphael
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It did always seem strange that the only place you can remove the influence of the Frenzied Flame was in Farum Azula...
Technically not Farum Azula but a place out of time
@@jlimmy1569 I know Placidusax is, with the storm winding backward, but I guess I assumed that the rest was contemporary
@@AtticusFink"Farum Azula has been slowly crumbling since time immemorial."
@@alexandervowles3518 that doesn't mean that all of Farum Azula is outside of time. In fact, only Placidusax's arena is
@@filippogrimaldi7228 then why can you talk to gurranq even after maliketh is defeated
A fun tidbit, the Cinquedea was used in reneissance Italy, and the name translates to "five fingers", which indicates the width of the blade next to the guard!
Cinquedea
Cinco dedos
Oohhhh...
Yes, I think "dea" is venetian for "fingers"
As an italian, "Cinquedea" is a composition of two words.
"Cinque", meaning literally "Five", and "dea", dialect for "dita", meaning "fingers".
This is honestly the best explanation of the "duality concept" in this game, and is a theory I've been searching for for the longest time. Honestly I truly do believe that everything in this game is tied to the split between the Fingers, and it makes sense that everything else in the game reflects that great divide, like echoes of a great explosion.
A huge part of the duality theme in the game is the duality of order versus chaos (instead of good versus evil). This ties into the very heavy norse influence on the mythology of the game.
It also explains something I had been thinking about....
There are many types of flame in Elden Ring, each with their own color. Orange Giant's/Fell Flame, Red Bloodflame, Black Ghostflame, and Yellow Frenzied flame. The Outer Gods seem to each* have their own form of flame. Except where is the Greater Will's? That's when it hit me: the yellow frenzied flame IS the Greater Will's golden flame.... or at least USED to be before order and chaos was split from one another.
*Notable exception here is the god of rot, who does not seem to have a flame. Maybe this is because the god is "sealed". Additionally the black flame seems to be associated with both the death birds and thus the twinbird god, and the gloam eyed queen / godskins. I suspect they ultimately worship the same entity.
I agree with your theory in almost all points. However, there's one thing I would interpret differently: The Five Fingers are not representative of the One Great, but of an earlier form of the Greater Will (Proto-GW). The One Great is just another word for the primal soup that everything came from. So the timeline is: One Great -> Crucible -> Proto-GW -> GW/Frenzied Flame. The theme of things fracturing and getting progressively smaller over time fits with many item descriptions. The player can use a mending rune to incompletely repair the Elden Ring and still keep the rule of the Greater Will going, so I supposed the GW/Frenzied Flame 2:3 split is the result of an ancient conflict that occurred the end of Placidusax's age (and that we know nothing about).
Yeah, this addresses my main problem with the theory in the video: he talks about how the One Great came before births, and souls, but then says the One Great may have been Placidussax’s god, and the beastmen worshipped it. While dragons you could argue may not have been born, they still likely have souls, and beastmen certainly do. So that means the One Great can’t have presided over any previous age, if you take Hyetta’s words to be correct.
Like you said, it seems more like the One Great was the primordial soup from which was formed the Lands Between, and likely beyond.
Another thing to note about the two + three fingers: It always struck me how spaced-apart the three fingers look and I always assumed it was some alien or heavenly feature. But upon closer look it's almost like a thumb, ring finger, and pinky finger-and the two fingers look like an index and middle finger. Perhaps all of the five fingers were once a part of a single hand as the Great One?
check out the 5 finger fan made ending, it grafts both fingers together
I think the 3 fingers are a thumb, pointer finger and pinky
Age of absolute
The Godhand
there are about half a dozen 2fingers but only 1 3finger, the hand would have so many damn fingers. Besides, Shabriri seems to be the first being to commune with the Crazy and that happened after the Great Ancient Dragon War, where Godwyn befriended Fortissax.
I agree with these assertions and even came to a lot of these conclusions in my own lore hunting. This makes me feel so not alone in the woods on this train of thought. I'm also glad someone finally mentioned in a video how the 3 fingers have the power to open the way to the Erd Tree. No one ever pay attention to that little fact. Awesome video
What do you think about the theory that Farum Azula was part of the main land and ripped from the ground?
@@user-zp8kj2cl9g Sorry for the waaaaaay late reply, CZcams am I right. I think Farum Azula was part of the main land. On the map if you look just north west of the Beast Sanctuary there is a small whirlpool. I think the center of the Farum Azula Storm aligns with that Whirlpool to plug the gap in the inland sea. During that time the Isolated Divine Tower was walkable because of the landmass of Farum blocking the sea waters. A big part of my logic on this is how upper Caelid is overrun with dragons, and just past them is the Beast Sanctuary which 100% is Farum Azula architecture.
Also based on the state of some "rivers" and "lakes" (they seem drained, with us able to walk through them because the water isn't even ankle high). My best example is Murkwater in Limgrave, it feeds into "Lake Agheel". So I posit that in the time when Farum was still attached north of the Beast Sanctum, the inland seas waters were high enough to actually raise the river levels and Lake Agheel may have actually had a larger footprint. But yeah I think Farum Azula use to be attached.
Dude, the way you linked Placidusax's heads and positions to the Fingers just melted my mind.
Blaidd reminds me of Wolf/Sekiro in how they were both given to their master as shadows, but are meant to betray them when their true master deems it. However they both resist, to an extent.
Thank Godfrey someone has finally tied together the loose ends in my head. This idea has been bouncing around in my head for the last two weeks. Some add ons:
I think the Greater Will refers to its victory in achieving an order over the Frenzied Flame. Greater than, rather than some sense of grandeur.
Another piece of evidence to support the Unified Hands theory is that (correct me if I’m wrong) only the Frenzied Flame and Greater Will make use of maidens.
Another symbolic instance of the duality theme - supposing Radagon leaned more towards the frenzied flame's one-ness and Marika the greater will division/fracturing, it's interesting that Radagon is rumored to have attempted to repair the Elden Ring after Marika shattered it.
FINALLY, I am so happy to finally see someone construct the theory based on structured assumptions, findings and conclusions, and not on pure “those two things look similar, so it must mean this and that”. Great approach!
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Following your line of thought, could the so-called god whom the Dragonlord is waiting for at the end of time be the One Great? Maybe the Dragonlord is not waiting for the return of a specific deity, but is waiting the re-unification of the two aspects of the One Great.
I believe in that too
The god Placi is waiting is Marika-type of god, not GW-like god. English word uses the same word for gods, but in Japanese they use completely different words for gods
7:07 the fingers even fit perfectly into the hand, wow
This is 100% the best channel for Elden Ring lore ou there
Brilliant as always. You’re very insightful and always bring a lot of things I never read or seen before. It’s always well written and easy to understand!
Your rigour approaches academia, as does your attention to detail. Most everyone knows the storytelling in these games takes place in the item descriptions and environment first and foremost, but your ability to pull on these threads and weave a picture is one I've only seen before in Aegon of Astora. And yet you keep your videos immensely concise. I hope you get more comfortable still with your editing style, and that you'll start to make slightly longer videos, expanding on aspects where it is right to do so. I'm so pleased I came back to your channel after the Astel video, and I thought this was your best video yet.
I'll point out one thing:
No-one can understand the Fingers apart from the Finger Readers - Crones + Maidens. It's entirely possible the Crones are making it up as they go.
Just like the follower of gold mask. Htf you understand a guy writing on an invisible chalk board with his finger who dosnt say shit?
The One Great wants them to look inward, into intelligence. All the world insofar as it is knowable is reflected in all five fingers and hand. As above so below
@Zinc Deficiency Not really. When they read your fingers, how different is it from an IRL palm reading? They have no proof that what they tell you is true. It's a religion. They're making it up as they go along.
Spectacular lore video, the analysis of the 2 Fingers and 3 Fingers = 5 as the One Great is absolutely poggers.
I really love your videos, especially with this one, how you structured it is really unique and i look forward to see this again in the future, keep up the good work big man.
I was always under the impression that Melina's ability to kindle the fire giants flame was specific to her, i believe there is some reference in the game to her being "the Kindling Maiden", and that her ability was the work of Marika, that in defiance of the Greater Will she created a spirit imbued with flame to burn the erdtree allowing a tarnished free her from Radagon's Lordship and her punishment for shattering the Elden Ring.
Gotta say man, I really appreciate the videos. You seem to offer insight on this that even surpasses Vaati's videos. Super helpful, easy to understand, and impressive ttheories. I'm currently working on a 5e-ish Elden ring game and this, along with the Placuidisax video is SUPER helpful.
Another video from my elden ring lore buddy! Its a good day indeed
Btw: I love your video on Vyke. Probably my favorite npc. Loved him so much I beat the game first time using his armor and spear which is so good! Got the frenzied flame ending too which was very cool. If they make a follow up to this game I'd like that to be cannon ending. The part with Melina was so interesting I'd like to see that go further
I dunno if anyone said already, but in Radagon's fight, his 3-slam hammer attack, the final hit leaves a big glyph on the floor that looks remarkably like the 3-finger frenzy sigil but with 5 digits.
Not sure the significance, but I think it's a neat detail that might point towards more!
Always look forward to these lore analysis videos from you. Good work
I always assumed the One Great was connected to the Crucible, the source from which all life sprang. Then the One Great split into the Three Fingers, who became the envoys of the Frenzied Flame and the Two Fingers who became the envoys of the Greater Will.
That would make sense, if I remember right the Erdtree was originally for the Crucible and it existed before the Greater Will came and basically took it over, the chamber of the 3 fingers also directly connects to the deeproot depths. So basically both the Greater Will and Frenzied Flame make their homes at the site of the crucible.
This is easily my favourite ER lore video I've seen so far. Some really insightful comments here, and I like the grounded approach of building up assumptions before stating your theories! Subbed.
Fantastic man! This was incredibly insightful and really helped me to see a new perspective of the denizens of Farum Azula. Keep doing what you're doing.
Blaidd has one of his eyes closed and is scarred, i think this may relate to the beastmen having their eyes and ears covered. Possibly so he believes that he is loyal to Ranni while the truth, hidden from him, he is essentially a puppet of the Greater Will?
Fucking excellent video! Much to ponder, thankyou.
Great work. One of the best lore videos I've seen. Do one on Nokron. There's lots of interesting stuff there that hasn't been covered i.e. Godwin's connection to the place (the walking mausoleums have similar architecture and furnishings), the Nokronian statue at the Church Of Vows and just who the hell are those dead giants on the thrones. Once again though, great work. Really enjoyed this.
One of my favorite videos on the Lore in the general field of lorehunting even if I disagree with the idea of what the One Great is. I think there is a common misconception of what Greater Will, Outer Gods, One Great and Crucible actually mean.
But the link between fire, beasts, death and ring is a superb logical connection.
Your videos are brilliant and insightful; Id suspected the five fingers origin concept, but you put in all the groundwork here that reinforces and convinces me! Well done!
Been binging this series, keep up the good work bro!
You're channel is probably my new favorite lore channel, I appreciate your willingness to go more in depth that vaati and create logical theories using in game information. Also, with this particular theory, I had the same though when I first did the my frenzied flame playthrough. The crucible is a smelting pot in real life, it makes sense that it would represent the One Great, and be called the crucible because it is kind of the primordial substance that created everything, or at least a large era before th Erdtree. The crucible is related to the Greattree, which we know from the crucible knights, the erdtree seems to be spawn of the split and "mistake" of the greater will, spawning the Golden Order. There are references to a reddish or rust colored primordial substance in item descriptions, I wonder if that was related at all to the primordial form of the One Great.
The Elden Beast end position resembling a single raised finger vs Placidicax makes me think that the 2 fingers were originally interpreting 2 different outer gods, but now is only getting the Greater Will. That would also explain why the two fingers looks beat to hell as well as the weird 2 sides 2 fingers from the talisman that bumps faith.
Completely brilliant. The symbolism of the beasts being blind/closed eyes is so good. Subbed.
This finger theory is amazing, great work
This is the best video I have seen on the subject. Many of my questions now have an answer, thank you!
I really like how you format your argument
I've been trying to understand why *only* two shadow-beasts were made - obviously Blaidd was half-formed, so that's likely why they stopped?
Watching this, it occurred to me that if Queen Marika is pure Greater-Will-Stuff (her "stock" as a Numen, whatever that means?), her shadow can be pure beast.
With Ranni being half Greater-Will-Stuff and half Moon-Stuff, her shadow is half beast and half really-tall-dude. That's the best the two fingers could manage.
I think there's an overarching theme of loss of control of a dynasty (or family) as it grows. The G.W. wants heirs, but can't get "pure" ones no matter what it tries.
Oooh I love it! This makes so much sense! This was fantastic 👌🏼
Great video! I like your theory. Definitely subbing to your channel.
I've thought similar, it's nice to see someone else talking about it and presenting the theory more eloquently than I could. Have you considered messaging someone like Ratotaskr or Smoughtown to do a collab podcast discussing this and other facets of the lore? They are big(ish) loretubers and collaborating with them might boost your subscribers.
Now, whether either would be up to it or consider it worth their time is another matter, but still. Food for thought.
gg boi much enjoyment
love these kind of videos that digg into the lore and attempt to illuminate the world with plausible explanation
well done
I feel that another important thing is that beast are attracted to champions that will become lords, as mentioned in the beast champion set, and that torrent seems to have chosen the player tarnished.
Great analysis man
I love your vids man! x
I was telling my Cousin about this not so long ago, im glad you made this video and structured it better than I could have, another point i brought up that you can lean on is in Dark Souls the Age of Dragons was defined as one without difference, same as the Flame of Frenzy is trying to achieve, and this difference was brought in by the age that ruled after, the age of Fire by Gwyn, if the age of the Dragons was before the Golden Order we can assume that just like in Dark Souls it can be regarded as the age that didn't have seperation or difference
If no one has mentioned it already, something else to consider are the Laws of Causality and Regression. One appears to be forward-moving, while the other seems to be backward-moving, but both are described in-game as processes to create one unified world. One of the explorations of Elden Ring's themes seems to be, "Should all things be just one big thing, or should they be many small, individual things?" Regression is described as 'the pull of meaning; that all things yearn eternally to converge.' Causality is described as 'the pull between meaning; that which links all things in a chain of relation'. Attention to the wording indicates a couple constants, which I presume to be constants of reality itself, independent of the Greater Will. The constants are "pull", "meaning", "all things." These all come from the wording of the laws that makes up the Golden Order. And yet, they seem to be inherently contentious, given that both describe a pulling of all things towards different ways to interpret meaning. "Meaning" in this case seems to equate to words like 'experience', 'logic', or 'perception' - words that are connected to the mechanics of how an individual understands reality. Perhaps there's something here to add weight to the conversation about the ties between the Crucible, the One, the Two and Three Fingers, the Erdtree, and the Greater Will.
Also, from some other Elden Ring videos, I've learned that certain symbols are attributed to certain figures. It's their rune, so to speak, and the complex symbol we see below the Elden Ring in Farum Azula seems to be Placidusax's own amendment. Just as Radagon's symbol is that of intercrossing diagonal lines, its seems that former Elden Lord Placidusax's symbol is that branching iconography descending from the Ring. I don't know what it means exactly about his character, but we know that Radagon was fully invested in the Golden Order - and fittingly, he has a very orderly symbol. Perhaps Placidusax's symbol has to do with the roots or branches of the Erdtree? Those do seem to have their own meaning, and what's more, Placidusax is a character with somewhat tree-like physiology. His big torso (like a trunk) is unlike any other dragon, and he has five heads (branches) - three of which are gone by the time we see him. I wonder what that signifies for the connection to 5 equaling intelligence? It reminds me of how characters sometimes mention that the Erdtree is in decline, even though it seems fine to us, the player (even before we burn it). What happened to lessen its strength, and what was it like before?
Going off of your definitions of Causality and Regression, I think of this: Godwyn grew attracted to the dragons, or the past Lords. Ranni grew attracted to the stars and the future. Since they both share the Death Cursemark, maybe that is why the symbol we receive isn't straightened as the description states it once was.
First off, you're the best resource on CZcams for Elden Ring lore
Second, I agree with almost everything you said
But Third, I'm curious as to when the Elden Beast was sent to the Lands Between, what was the Crucible of Life? And what did life look like in the lands between before the Erdtree?
Thank you as always for the amazing content.
i think the mistake that the greater will made was allowing the nox to have freedom to the point they made the finger slayer blade and with that blade they severed him in 2 and put a curse of fracture where things keep fracturing, thus you need goldmask rune because otherwise you get the fracture ending
in this theory the golden star known as the elden beast was sent because after the finger slayer split him he lost control of the lands between and he has to create the erdtree to regain some control over the world, the nox seem to be connected to the number and seem to have a long conspiracy to usurp god
I find it interesting that with all the opposing dualities in Elden ring, the two fingers want to keep going forward with their plans, and the three fingers want to go back to a previous state. more weight to your theory!
I think looking into the specific wording in Japanese might be helpful with all the specific names and such. one thing I do not understand is why the three fingers has a frenzy flame, and the two fingers has no specific equivalent to the fire. is there something in the two fingers that mirrors the three's flame?
exciting theories.
great video man
Holy crap! This is amazing lore. It deserves a LOT more views.
u almost lost me for a minute but then you tied everything back together so neatly with the 5 finger theory which rly makes sense! you have convinced me and i will now think of this as canon
Awesome vid dude
Very good video. I agree with you that the Great One before was before the Greater Will, with 5 fingers. Besides, you can only be GreatER when there was already something Great before you.
That's a good point!
I always thought the Greater Will was called as such because it is a greater will than that of mortal men. Greater than the material, being a god.
lol not at all. Greater can and probably does mean other things
Some things to note about Placidusax: one of the stumps is most likely a severed tail, as there is evidence to support that he had 4 heads, not five (namely, the Old Lord's Talisman)
Otherwise, great video as always!
I think if the mortal dragons we encounter were transformed by the crucible when they shed their stone skin? When the dragons became accepted by the Golden Order after the dragon war, contact with the crucible of life would make them closer, to the Erdtree.
The crucible also shares many characteristics with the mortal dragons, the long tail, the fire breathing, the wings, and (what I think is the most telling of their connection) the feathers. The crucible knights, misbegotten and mortal dragons all have winged feathers, while ancient dragons have six limbs and stony skin.
Wow this was so insightful! 😁👍🏼
Great vid, pointing out the explicit links between the Fingers and the Outer Gods refers back well to a singular deity. The reference to "Five Fingers" throughout the game gives way to speculating if the Two and Three Fingers were once a singular "Hand of God" so to speak for the the One Great, acting as its vassal.
Great video!
Good stuff mate.
This made a lot sense and is a great theory personally!
This actually makes alot more sense than most other theories Ive seen regarding Farum Azula
Love your videos
The deathroot is present in Farma Azula which I suspect is why the reanimated enemies appear.
the Fingers being the ones that give the Shadow-Bound beasts makes me think of a hand making a shadow puppet of a wolf. I feel like there’s a connection there but who knows
Maybe they were all part of the “One” it’s just that the part that we now call The Greater Will had… well, the greater will and managed to slowly subdue the other wills, until Marika shattered the Elden Ring and the Three Fingers began spreading its frenzied flame because The Greater Will lost control. I think it’s Kalé that states that the “madness” started after the Shattering, though he might have just been referring to the madness of war and the state of the world in general 🤷♂️ It reminds me of Dark Souls with its Age of Ancients were everything was either fog, grey crags, dragons or arch trees and generally kind of… nothing and everything at the same time- until fire came and brought with it the duality of dark/light, heat/cold etc. Miyazaki do like to repeat the same thing over and over again.
So Elden Rings “Age of Ancients” would be the time of stone, beasts and dragons in Farum Azula. Then “everything” began (The One came to the lands between?) and lead to the Age of the Crucible, which ended with the Erdtree slowly becoming the one ruling influence (shown as the one golden flower picked out amidst a multitude of flowers on the statue before Leyndell) symbolizing how The Greater Will began to control and suppress all other wills.
Really excellent video
Thinking back, It's funny that I was actually worried the ER lore wasn't going to be as deep or interesting as the DS lore.
There's enough in this damn game to keep us all ruminating for frickin years!!
This theory is very well constructed
I keep hearing "Two fingers plus three fingers equals five fingers" and I've always felt uncomfortable about that. Do we all see four fingers in the Two Fingers Heirloom? And it always looked to me like the Two Fingers in Roundtable hold were severed "at the wrist"
Not to mention we keep assuming Earth's evolution in this game. Maybe the Two Fingers are called that in-game because they indeed resemble fingers, but they could be a life-form that looks like fingers but has nothing to do with the fingers of humanoid beings in Elden Ring. Just a thought
Even the passing idea of the Fingers being primordial life from which all other things with fingers evolved makes more sense to me (even if only in passing lol)
Maybe thinking of them as actual fingers is nonsense, and somehow forcing a pair of Two Fingers to spring a third finger is what engendered madness
Thank you for exploring this theory, it was always bothering me how some people would discard a mention of Five Fingers in an item description as simply being an evolutionary trait of the beast.
11:43 This reminds me of the big brain meme/TooL song
damn! so amazing I've often thought it was weird how serrosh and mal were so similar they had to be linked but could never come to a conclusion. what about the bloodhound nights? the one we fight with blaidd
They're a bit of a mystery, at least to me. We know that they never speak, are trained to be expert trackers, and choose their own master for life. They're found all across the map, including Raya Lucaria and the Volcano Manor. Whether they're guarding their masters or hunting their prey, it's not clear.
Given Blaidd's extreme devotion to Ranni, I assume that Bloodhound Knight Darriwill betrayed one of the members of Ranni's special task force. Unfortunately, despite their title as bloodhounds and their feral movements, I couldn't find a connection between them and the beasts of Farum Azula.
I'm playing the game, and I'm paying attention, and I still don't understand how people are able to connect the dots like this. Great video. Great theories.
honestly, i would like them to explain outer gods better in the dlc, as of now we really dont have any idea about who they are and how many of them have an influence in the lands between
I still haven't even explored Farum Azula and the Haligtree but I've poured into most every lorehunt I can find. I really like your perspective and I always get the impression there's a longer stretched hierarchy in ER that isn't overt, but very much "there's always a bigger fish" that still falls into a balanced cycle of growth, destruction, stagnation decay and then compost into new growth. What are your hopes for DLC?
I'm a big fan of either the time travel route or if we could learn more about the gods of the Lands Between by exploring an area that opens up in the center of the map. Seeing characters like Miquella, Radagon, or Radahn in their prime would be really cool me.
I came to a pretty similar conclusion before watching your video.
My idea is that the original Crucible was the impact crater of the Golden Meteor sent by the One Great (later re-written to be the Greater Will, we know the Golden Order rewrites history). Sort of a panspermia idea, dragons (aka, dinosaurs) came from the space goo carried in the Golden Meteor.
However, even before that, there was already life in the Lands Between, in the form of the Beast Society. The Greater Will, or the One Great (we don't know when the fracture happened) enslaved these beasts and made them to be servants of the dragons. Eventually, the GW abandoned Placidusax for unknown reasons, and chose Marika as its next inner god.
I also suspect the Dragons evolved into the Stormhawks of Limgrave, or that they are tangentially related somehow. Greyoll has feather.
This makes a lot of sense because of the removed ending where the 2 fingers and 3 fingers are grafted together creating a whole hand
Where did you see that?
I like your approach to theory crafting, its almost scientific
Subbed!
Another Duality;
Law of Regression: Regression is the pull of meaning; that all things yearn eternally to converge.
Law of Causality: Causality is the pull between
meanings; that which links all things in a chain of relation.
The fundamentalists describe the Golden Order through the powers of regression and causality
I don't think this theory is far off at all, it seems very on point being that after the ancient dragon's god left them and they attacked the lands between and the golden order maybe out of envy, and the greater will allows dragon worship, it seems both the greater will and whatever god left the dragons are two sides of the same coin. even that slight differentiation between the "greater will" and the "one great" is just perfect to support your theory.
You are a very convincing man, by the way just a sidenote about the ghost flame, You might want to look into The helphen Steeple Great sword.
To me this makes way more sense then any other theory out there. I really wish it was more popular.
The moment that he put the theory slide up on I immediately thought two fingers plus three fingers equals five fingers
Now THESE are the kind of lore videos I was waiting for! Vaaty is waaaaaaaaay behind.
I think the One great outergod was the god of the time when placidusax was elden lord but it got split and so he waits for its returm
I feel generally good about the idea that the Two and Three Fingers symbolize an original entity being divided, but there is a big "But".
For example, if we believe that there were some ancient Five Fingers speaking for the One God, the division of said God would also be an interesting idea to explain why the modern Fingers are so sickly and monstrous: It wasn't their Natural state, they became like this following their God condition.
But at the same time, it feels "strange" that the Dragon's God was the same of Humans before it went a bit nuts.
We don't know much Dragon's culture or society, but they definitely don't look like they were simply ruling over the Crucible.
Similarly, the big defining War of Marika's conquest was against the Giants, not the Dragons, and Giants' God is entirely unrelated.
Also, all the motifs of duality to me seem to be about mortals trying to fit within the Logic/outside the Logic of the Order, not about the upper beings like the Elden Beast or the Outer Gods.
Overall, it's an interesting interpretation but there are some weak links.
The part about Beastmen and Dragons fitting within the same culture is interesting tho. I wish there was more about the Age of Dragons (?)
losing the five finger caused dragons to lose their forelimbs which have 5 finger, lose their civililzation and gravel stones, modern dragons only have gravel in their hearts
awesome!
Lord's Divine Fortification incantation, grouped among Two Fingers incantations, has this to say.
"Gideon gained true knowledge after his long exchange with the Two Fingers - discovering all had been broken long ago; that the trembling fingers, bent with age, and the Erdtree itself, were no exception."
So this absolutely lends further credence to the hypothesis that Five Fingers were once (violently?) severed and then god (Marika equivalent) fled away.
Perhaps the fingers were severed by Fingerslaying blade, and that is why Eternal Cities were banished underground in the first place?
indeed i though the same thing
Yes as soon as I seen the three fingers i figured there had to be sometime higher meaning. Instead of being split I figured each set of hands 2/3/4 etc had different connections to the outer gods.
Here's a theory . Maby they are made? I mean there are hand enemies. And the largest or second largest have decorative rings on them. Who's to say these hands don't become fingers eventually? Each demi God save for Renalla have two fingers associated with their towers (also are they alive while their respective God's are alive and only die when we kill them? Also does this sever some kind of connection to the greater will, like the more demi God's we kill the less fingers there are on towers and as the greater will realizes these lost connections does it set other events into play to stop us?) ranni has hers underground by her body and then there's the three fingers. There's also the one in the hub.
@@kevinfortsch the hand enemies were created artificially the two/three fingers are organic beings who interpret for the greater will
@@kevinfortsch I see what you're saying... it's odd to see the two fingers in the roundtable... perhaps they are marika two fingers?
Good job keep going. Try making videos of a Song of ice and fire.
Actually brilliant
I think a lot of the things in your video made sense so I’d like to see what you think of the formless mother
Very similar to what I have been thinking. I have also noticed alot of similarities between rot god and formless mother, both seem to be representing the cycle of life and decay, which could mean these are twin deities also that used to be one.
6 Divine towers, 6 two fingers, 2 other two fingers in the form of the one at roundtable hold and the one ranni kills. 1 three fingers. 6x2 + (2+2+3) = 19 fingers. Elden beast has 2 hands with 5 fingers each and has 10 finger-like wings on it's back for 20 fingers. Quick maffs;
One finger confirmed for DLC!?!?
at first when you brought up the theory that the frenzied flame and greater will were once one I was very dismissive of it but then you just started pumping out evidence like a factory and my brain feels physically larger now
Eh, interesting theory, but it's got some holes.
The lightning connection to the Golden Order for example. Dragon lightning is red not gold, it's the Dragon Cult's lightning that was made specifically to mimic the Dragon's that is gold.
While I agree the Shadowbound are likely natives of Faurum they're probably not really connected to the Greater Will directly. It's far more likely the Golden Order supplanted or defeated the Dragon's God and the Greater Will enslaved specific beasts as Shadowbound to watch over it's top agents (and kill them if needed). The Greater Will is kind of like a cancer or parasite when you actually pay attention to it's lore so it taking the tools and servants from another God by force is pretty in line with it's other actions. It's pretty obvious from Blaidd's fate that they are ultimately slaves not willing servants.
The One Great is also described not as a combination of gods, but the primordial amalgamation from which literally _all_ things come from. Not just divine, _everything_ that lives was once part of it. It's less an entity or being and more along the lines of cosmic soup that all of reality came from. It never ruled over anything because when it existed there was nothing to rule over only it. Just *One.*
Further the only real connection between the Flames of Frenzy and the Greater Will is that they directly oppose one another and are actively hostile to each other's goals. Beyond that they don't really have anything in common and the Flame has no connection to Faurum at all as it's ability to reignite the Flame of Ruin isn't unique to it.
As for the Two Fingers (and thus Greater Will) connection to Farum that's even flimsier. Melina is very specifically acting _against_ the Greater Will's objectives when she lights the Flame of Ruin, the Two Finger don't help her with that seeing as 1) they're comatose at the time 2) the entire thing is done to _circumvent_ the Greater Will's designs and 3) Melina isn't a real Finger Maiden she's just "playing the part" of one. It's something about her specifically, likely her being the Dusk Eyed Queen and thus an Empyrean of a completely different God, that lets her light the Flame. It's doubtful any normal Finger Maiden could of done what Melina manages.
The only real information we get from either Melina or us relighting the Flame of Ruin is that an Empyrean can rekindle it. If anything the entire sequence it implies there is some connection between the Giant's Flame God and Faurum's God.
The Nox have a different appearance from the Numens though