The Extra Deck - Is This RUINING Yu-Gi-Oh!? The Great debate | Heart of the Cast #12
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2024
- In this episode @Farfa & @JoshuaSchmidtYGO discuss the biggest sore spot for Yu-Gi-Oh!'s wombo combo and fast playstyles - the extra deck! Should it be reduced? Should we ban generic cards? What do we think of boss monsters? All will be discussed today!
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this aged like milk
These guys have no idea what they're talking about, wrong and biased (i have listened to 27 seconds of this podcast)
Im glad youtubers beyond Team APS are starting to change their tune regarding generic omnis. Long overdue. We should give that card design the same level of disdain as floodgates.
Fun fact: Transcode Talker could only target Code Talkers in the anime. They decided to buff the extender when it came to the game for whatever reason.
The fact that links aren't as hated or even more scrutinized than pendulum summoning was is a sin in this community.
As a mtg player who watches some yugioh content, negates looks like mtg counterspell so imagine having to fight through multiple counterspell in 1 turn. imo is like floodgating without floodgates and it does feel bad almost solitaire like, specially when every deck can counterspell.
Josh was absolutely spitting facts on this one. Loved the nuanced discussion. I hope someone from Konami sees this and takes notes.
If you're interested, look into MTG around the time companions were released. basically an outline for everything that's wrong with an "extra deck" in card games, regardless of cost.
Assume this is pre-list?
One of the best extra deck monsters Konami has ever designed is Dingirsu. While is a generic rank 8, is easy to summon in the intended deck, it recycles banished resources, is removal, can be used as disruption in the intended deck, has protection and even had a clause that says you can only summon it once per turn. This sounds very powerful, but has anyone ever asked for it to get banned?
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A link 2 I really enjoyed the design of is D/D/D Gilgamesh, it enabled the deck to actually pend summon, locks you into D/Ds, the scales set depend on what you’ve drawn and isn’t horrible as an end board.
This discussion is somewhat interesting as Dragon Ball Super's card game started without an extra deck, but developed one late into the game's life cycle. Out of the gate, the extra deck cards were focused more on being impactful bodies, either being solid removal, impactful finisher, or a towers, all of which would be made reliable to access. Not all decks could utilize this new extra deck and some of the introduced/reintroduced archetypes seriously benefitted from this change. Later on, they introduced some extra deck cards that improved consistency, though they're limited to specific archetypes and they're very difficult to mix around.
The Extra Deck is probably the most iconic mechanic in Yugioh ever since 5Ds. It's also one of the game's most fun but also most flawed mechanics.
Something I’m surprised I don’t see more people talk about is that I think Konami has (knock on wood) largely recognized their design mistake on the generic link extenders. Especially in the TCG, basically all of those cards are banned now (Isolde, Halq, Auroradon, Knightmare Goblin & and Mermaid, etc) and they haven’t printed anything since that is even close to what these cards once were for years. The closest thing is the errata for Summon Sorceress, but has been made less generic and wasn’t brought back on even the most recent list for TCG. I think a lot of these cards were overcorrections for MR4, some of which lingered into MR5
Konami has Fortnite Built themselves a skybase into the heavens and can't get down to redesign the foundation of Yugioh, and they can't get down without killing themselves. They can't redesign the game without killing half their combo-player playerbase. They can't design more fair cards because they aren't better than what was before and so they have to Powercreep the base higher and higher into the sky.
Karakuri is the first deck I can think of where the extra deck pieces where extenders to get you more things from the main deck.
Here is the discussion I would like to see, I would like to know how you would fix the game for the "Rogue Decks"/Budget Players. A secondary format? A ton of legacy support?
I only really play gamble decks which is what keeps me into the game. Doing the same thing over and over makes me get old of the game very fast.
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