Jörmungandr | Nature's Wrath

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    00:00 - Intro
    00:58 - Jormungandr in the Myths
    02:40 - Is Jormungandr Evil?
    03:16 - The Villainizing of Loki
    04:15 - Rivalry with Thor
    07:47 - Poetic References & Kennings
    11:14 - Ragnarok & The Protector of Midgard
    14:40 - Nature, Balance, or Evil
    16:22 - Chaos vs Order
    19:15 - Reviving the Myths
    20:00 - The Lying Snake - Importing Christian Myths
    21:09 - Final Thoughts
    music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio

Komentáře • 439

  • @nicholasbergman3261
    @nicholasbergman3261 Před rokem +188

    I agree with you. I believe that Loki and his children are not evil. I work with Hel; some may say she is evil, but I say she cares far more than people think she does and for both the dead and the living. What we humans see as evil today is influenced by the rise of Christianity in the first century AD.

    • @ApoloVolturi
      @ApoloVolturi Před 8 měsíci +1

      👏🏻👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • @bezoticallyyours83
      @bezoticallyyours83 Před 3 měsíci +1

      👏 👏

    • @robertarnold6192
      @robertarnold6192 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I think it’s an intentionally ambiguous thing on the part of the Eddas. The children of Loki were not monsters until they were prophesied to be such, feared, and abused, untimately driving them to become monsters and fulfill the Ragnarok prophecy. I think Fenrir’s story is especially exemplary of this.

    • @crobledo89
      @crobledo89 Před měsícem

      yeah fuck the Christian faith in the US they make ANYTHING evil but they themselves are evil hail to Norse Paganism skål

    • @kranx2690
      @kranx2690 Před 2 dny

      I found out that hypothetically unborn child go with her and are taken care of. Idk how true it is but it brought me a lot of comfort

  • @draug7966
    @draug7966 Před rokem +65

    The idea of Jörmungandr as a protector of nature and thereby also an indirect protector of mankind really resonates, especially in this day and age. Mankind left completely unchecked will just devour nature until there is nothing left, and without nature we can't survive to begin with.

    • @lindagale4277
      @lindagale4277 Před rokem +3

      yes! absolutely how i see it . i could be wrong of course.

    • @SingSumKun
      @SingSumKun Před 6 měsíci +1

      Agree.

  • @ssanhayeob
    @ssanhayeob Před rokem +105

    As a heathen who mainly worships Loki, I like to believe that his offspring represent both change and balance, just as he does in myths, so this take seems really close to my beliefs. Great video as always!

    • @thenorseprincedarksavior7536
    • @Brothers-10-10
      @Brothers-10-10 Před rokem

      What is Odin force according Norse mythology ? I just want to know

    • @ninerealms69
      @ninerealms69 Před rokem +1

      Why do you worship him?

    • @grandmas_bravest_boy
      @grandmas_bravest_boy Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@crushinnihilismhey man maybe u should let them worship how they want

    • @Holmesson
      @Holmesson Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​@@Brothers-10-10 The Odin Force is a vast cosmic power granted to Allfathers of the Asgardians in Marvel comics. The Odin Force doesn't exist in our mythology. It's a creation of Marvel comics writers.

  • @jaelmoray
    @jaelmoray Před rokem +97

    "Meow, meow, me-meow, meow, I'm not a snake; cat." Beautiful line. XD
    Seriously though, this was a fabulous video, Ocean!

  • @sarahsibley9355
    @sarahsibley9355 Před rokem +58

    I named my kitten after Jörmungandr. Before I even knew I was getting a cat, whenever I would meditate I would always end up with that section of Thor trying to lift the cat. The first time I saw my cat, he looked at me, put his tail in his mouth, and the name stuck as we found out he likes the bathtub.
    Once he’s done growing I’m going to make a cat bed out of a globe, much to only my amusement it seems. 😂

    • @OceanKeltoi
      @OceanKeltoi  Před rokem +15

      THIS
      IS
      AMAZING
      thank you so much for sharing this

    • @halley8105
      @halley8105 Před 9 měsíci +3

      I love that. Tell your kitty I love him

    • @WheatDos
      @WheatDos Před 22 dny +1

      Just don't throw him into the sea, a giant Jörmungandr encircling the world would make navigation difficult.

    • @sarahsibley9355
      @sarahsibley9355 Před 20 dny +1

      @@WheatDos especially with him pawing at the boats

  • @torvallokison8965
    @torvallokison8965 Před rokem +10

    "All cats have a non-zero chance of being Jormangandr." T-shirt please!

  • @thecartoonheathen1659
    @thecartoonheathen1659 Před rokem +72

    Hymir: *cuts a fishing line*
    Thor: *P E R I S H*

  • @thenightqueen0
    @thenightqueen0 Před rokem +6

    "I'm a skald and f*ck you, that's what."
    *The witch in the corner smiles eerily in his direction*

  • @seafoxx777
    @seafoxx777 Před rokem +57

    As someone who works in shark conservation and is a pagan, Jormungandr has a very special place in my heart💙 he truly represents the dark side of nature that actually is what gives life and holds balance!
    Besides, the demonization of trickster deities (Loki isn’t the only one that gets this treatment…) is such an odd concept to begin with because they are the ones that always put things into motion. Good or bad, nothing happens without going through the trickster first!

    • @jmfana9154
      @jmfana9154 Před rokem +4

      Big agree. I actually think “Catalyst” might be a better title than “Trickster” for many

    • @otterheart3844
      @otterheart3844 Před 9 měsíci

      I read a whole thing once about the christain god could also be called a trickster

  • @PileOfAnts
    @PileOfAnts Před rokem +40

    “Jörmy the stormy wormy did himself a squirmy and Thor killed him” I’m dyingg lmaoo

  • @MidgardMusings
    @MidgardMusings Před rokem +5

    *Takes a shot every time Ocean says "Jörmungandr".
    *Dies in the first minute and 30 seconds.

  • @xxn1ghtm4rep01s0nxx
    @xxn1ghtm4rep01s0nxx Před rokem +24

    Honestly, I have to agree with the whole "Jormungandr is the protector of nature". Honestly, this video reminded me of a story I remember having to read back in high school, called "The Kitten" by Richard Wright. From what I recall, the story basically involves a farmer trying to get rid of a kitten but it doesn't work, animals end up dying and the farm burns down but the kitten still lives. From what my teacher said, the plot of the story was about the whole "man vs nature" subject; no matter what the farmer tried, the kitten would still be there. The more the farmer tried to fight against the kitten, the more harm the farmer ended up hurting himself.
    Which, I think, if we look at Jormungandr in the same light it adds an interesting perspective. Sure, we can't win against nature, we have to live in harmony with it if we want anything remotely peaceful to result from it. But think about him being a snake; humans fear snakes. For as long as humans have existed, we are used to creatures walking around with legs. There's a couple of creatures that directly oppose this, and they send off the survival instinct inside of us cause to our ancient ancestors, who couldn't have known any better in there defense, it is "unnatural". Those two creatures being spiders and snakes. Add to that that snakes can be incredibly poisonous, can camouflage with the environment around them and can be pretty damn tricky to get rid of if, if you don't know what you're doing, it's fair to assume snakes have for a long time been something of an issue. You couldn't necessarily walk into a field and say for certain a snake wasn't there.
    And yet, snakes are fascinating creatures. It is no lie to say they have captured the minds and imaginations of humanity with their unique properties. There's several myths that view snakes in either neutral or positive lights. One example I can think of is the Australian Aboriginal "Rainbow Serpent", which if what little the internet has is to be believed is seen by some as a creator "deity" (for lack of better term and also cause I'm not Australian Aboriginal, so seriously take with some salt.) There's Quetzalcoatl of Aztec beliefs, and he is known as the "Feathered Serpent", and from what my research suggests is often associated with the arts and creativity. Many of the structures in Mexico that were created by the Aztecs actually have depictions of Quetzalcoatl on them, which suggests he was something of a pretty important deity. And then there's the Lung Dragon of Asian culture, but especially of Chinese. I've heard that the Lung Dragon is very "serpent" like in nature, and the dragon (again from what I've researched) is a very important deal in China. The "Yellow Dragon", for example, was once depicted on the ancient Chinese flag long before the flag we know today, and iirc, there's a belief that the Chinese people (or a fraction of them, again, take with some salt and do your own research) are descended from the Yellow Dragon. And of course, look at the modern day. There's people that find snakes adorable, who find the cute "puppy-like smile" of the snake's lips to be beautiful, that see the way the snake moves as graceful.
    And then you find out that there's actual sea snakes. Snakes that live in the ocean. Did the Vikings come into contact with them? Tough to say. However, I'm personally leaning towards "No", as these sorts of snakes are often found in warmer waters, such as around South Asia, Australia and the East coast of Africa. Is it possible that, somehow, they found out from word of mouth that traveled from these destinations? Again, tough to say. If it was the case, it certainly wasn't written down. Then pair that with just how damn deep the ocean is, and that we've not even scratched the surface at what exists far underneath our noses. It's a terrifying thought. And if there's one thing humans fear the most, it's the unknown. Jormungandr to me is all of that to an extreme; he is the fear of what exists deep down in the murky depths of the ocean, hiding out and sight and may never be found but existing all the same, thrashing about in the ocean in eternal rivalry with Thor. He is the protector of the depths, rising to the surface to thwart humans possibly when he feels it's needed, when we need a reminder of our place on this planet of ours. He is a fascination with what scares us; the things that we in our minds, for one reason or another, deem "unnatural" through implicit, possibly survival based, bias; the want to know the ins and outs of what scares and captivates us, the want to peer into the darkness to understand what lies within it. Jormungandr scares as much as he fascinates, a delicate balance of threat and beauty. A pretty damn good metaphor of the Earth, if you think about it. The Earth has wonderful sights; cliff lines, sunsets, beaches, forests, fields of flowers and crops, and beautiful animals. But it also has earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, floods, thunderstorms, blizzards, avalanches, rockslides, quick sand, and plenty of animals that, if given a reason, could kill us. Both existing in perpetual harmony. For too much beauty is a bad thing; if we let deer run amok, they will devour entire forests and strip them of their beauty. That is where creatures like snakes and wolves come in; they are the balance keepers, the keystone species that keep the balance in check, making sure no side gains more weight than the other.
    In that sense, he also reminds me of a quote from "The Secret History", roughly being "What is beauty if not terror?" Jormungandr is beautiful precisely because he is quite a terrifying thought. Humbling, fascinating, awe-inspiring but always terrifying. Think of it like watching a horror movie; you can watch it and know perfectly well you're safe, no one was harmed and no one (within reason and praying that people are actually sane and smart when they watch it) won't go on to hurt another. Except when you remember; this violence exists. And unlike humans; nature, more often than not, can't be reasoned with. Jormungandr isn't "evil"; he just has completely different morals than us. What he considers important clashes with what humanity considers important, and that is what I think the backbone of the whole Thor VS Jormungandr rivalry boils down to. Humanity striving to be the top dog, against an opposer who has no qualms with putting us back in our place, reminding us what we really are and where we are living.
    Either that or I'm thinking too hard into this using literal nature, horror movies, Dark Academia stories and other serpent-like creatures I've researched. It's probably the latter, but hey. It's my thoughts, and it's certainly thoughts I've collected over time. Anyway, sorry for the long ass comment but yeah. That's my thoughts. (Why can I never summarise my thoughts in a couple of sentences?)

  • @thefatalcarrot8457
    @thefatalcarrot8457 Před rokem +54

    I love these stories.
    Here, people ride lightning bolts and serpents curl around the world in protective embrace. All of it cast across our thoughts in light and shadow. A tale told by fireside from somewhere long ago.
    Food for my soul, if soul there be.
    Down to the marrow, thank you, Ocean.

  • @SneakyCoyoteProductions
    @SneakyCoyoteProductions Před rokem +18

    Okay, I need "All Cats have a greater than 0% chance of being Jormungandr" on something STAT.
    I've worked with Jormungandr a LOT. I have a specific meditation with him about sinking into his coils for comfort and protection. I also invoke him as part of circle casting, literally asking him to encircle my ritual space as a protective barrier. Love the work you did in this vid! It's good to hear another Heathen who has a similar take on my favorite danger noodle!

  • @Helgrier
    @Helgrier Před rokem +99

    Amazing video as always, its nice to see the children of Loki talked about in a positive light and not straight up Satanized. And my new favorite Ocean line is in this video

    • @barretthoven
      @barretthoven Před rokem +18

      Is it "Jormy the Stormy Wormy did a squirmy and then Thor killed him. What now? What. Now??? I'm a skald so fuck you thats what"? cause that's my favorite now lmao

    • @Helgrier
      @Helgrier Před rokem +4

      @@barretthoven Im a skald, I laughed so hard at that line

    • @thenorseprincedarksavior7536
      @thenorseprincedarksavior7536 Před rokem +1

      😮

  • @FreakyGremlinDK
    @FreakyGremlinDK Před rokem +13

    I really like this idea and it sounds like the right one to me too, now that i've listened to this video.
    It also makes it a symbolic warning that Thor dealt the deathblow.
    Thor, the defender of mankind, represents humans, kills Jormungandr, who represents nature, for then to die shortly after.
    If humans kills nature, it wouldn't take long for humans to die out shortly after.

  • @ryanmatthews2068
    @ryanmatthews2068 Před rokem +34

    The three children of Loki have always been some of my favorite stories. Your videos bring so much to them that I could see myself having a meal with them as people. Thank you.

    • @catcacher
      @catcacher Před rokem +1

      3? Jörmundgander, Fenrir, Hel, Sleipnir… I’ve got at least 4?

    • @ryanmatthews2068
      @ryanmatthews2068 Před rokem +2

      @Cat N’Hat I think there are 6 total, but the 3, Hel, Fenrir, and Jörmungandr, are the ones I knew of growing up

  • @milesfromnowhere1985
    @milesfromnowhere1985 Před rokem +71

    Awesome video, Ocean, in the full depth of that word. Once again, you've expanded my ideas of what my practice can contain. I've never seen any reason to exclude jötnar or other 'taboo' entities in my worship, but I never had much reasoning to include Jormungandr until right freaking now. It makes so much sense the way you've put this. I thank you so much for your deep dives on the more villainized dieties of the heathen world. You're the best, Ocean, keep up the good work.

    • @Brothers-10-10
      @Brothers-10-10 Před rokem

      God of War game has insulted your gods so why don't you oppose it ? I just want to know

    • @milesfromnowhere1985
      @milesfromnowhere1985 Před rokem +4

      I'm not of the opinion that my gods have such fragile egos that they'd be offended by a videogame

  • @ocelotlmunoz2799
    @ocelotlmunoz2799 Před rokem +23

    As the token Jörm worshipper in my heathen circle, I can't even express how much I love this video. Hit the nail right on the head and even gave me some more to think about wrt the norse having more cause to favor Thor due to their context. My own UPG has also associated Jörmundangr with labradorite stones because they shimmer like how his scales are described, and can often be found in a tear drop/scale like shape. Thanks for your work as always! 🌊🐍

    • @bigglesofthebean4222
      @bigglesofthebean4222 Před rokem

      So I have a question for you, I've always been a heathen in a way but only just started highly embracing it in the last year or so and I worship mostly nature, I am a worshipper of freyja but I would like to know, how would I worship jormungandr?

    • @ashtonraether5215
      @ashtonraether5215 Před rokem

      Where is it described that his scales shine like labradorite? I have always affiliated it with him, even seen him with such scales in my dreams but never actually read anything thaat indicated that.

  • @boredmarshmallo4223
    @boredmarshmallo4223 Před rokem +7

    My cat also says "meow meow meow I'm not a snake meow" I think I should take him to the vet

  • @morlath4767
    @morlath4767 Před rokem +22

    That look when Ocean knows just how bad what he's about to say is...followed up by another fantastic video! And have I mentioned how much I love the editor's rapid comments? Ale Yeah!

    • @kevincrady2831
      @kevincrady2831 Před rokem +1

      He probably got the Yourmomgander a lot for his puns as a kid. 🤣

  • @ruggednerd263
    @ruggednerd263 Před rokem +10

    Ocean you are such a fucking gift to us! Ive been trying to reconcile the kennings that suggest both Thor and Jorm are protectors of Midgard for a bit. As someone who also has all the "stormy boys" on his altar your interpretation of protective powers in tension is my making my morning.

  • @keaganwheeler-mccann8565

    I am very much drawn to the dieties in functionally eternal opposition in complimentary ways.
    Your use of the phrase of living myth reminds me of the saying that myth is not ancient history, but repeating stories.

  • @Writh811
    @Writh811 Před rokem +5

    The idea of Jormungandr being a protector of the earth itself is fascinating. It also pretty much means Odin wasn't exiling Loki's evil children, he was entrusting Loki's children to protect vital aspects of reality. Fenrir in that context may have been brought to Asgard to serve as its protector.

  • @rae8013
    @rae8013 Před rokem +31

    Thanks for all the work you've put into this and all the figures seen as 'evil'. I love the nuance that you provide and why they're all worthy of worship even if they historically weren't.

  • @northp_the_green_pale_pete

    This is an amazing video, Ocean. Similar to Fenrir, Jormungandr is a deity I've been drawn to in the past, and even empathised with. At the same time, I've never considered including him in my hearth cult. Your interpretation might have just changed my mind, however, and given me reason to explore that idea for myself. Thanks for putting this video out!

  • @Nyrufa
    @Nyrufa Před 10 měsíci +2

    Ragnarok is a self fulfilling prophecy. The Aesir treated damn near everyone as a potential threat, decided to deal with the problem by launching pre-emptive strikes, then act surprised and outraged when the Nine Realms finally retaliate.

  • @Moss_196
    @Moss_196 Před rokem +2

    "Nyan nya nya nya nyan, I'm not a snake meow" is now my favorite quote XD

  • @BlackFlagHeathen
    @BlackFlagHeathen Před rokem +17

    I honestly love your approach to video making. Not many other pagan content creators dive so throughly into the nuance of Heathenry and its mythology. And that nuance is just another reason I love this faith and community so much. I always come away from your videos with a new perspective that I never even thought of. The Christian concept of the Nephilim and their apparent similarity to the Norse concept of the Jotnar isn’t lost on me. I honestly love reading the Bible(including, and maybe even especially, its “lost” books) like I read pagan mythology now, it’s so much more enjoyable and appreciate-able if you don’t look at it like how Christians often tell you to read it and just look at it like any other collection of religious or spiritual mythology. I’ve even seen people propose that the Nephilim themselves could be a bastardization/demonization of Canaanite nobility or the children of an Israelite parent and a Canaanite parent, a forbidden union under the Mosaic law. So naturally, the Bible/Torah would demonize them.
    Also… if some Heathens got together and formed an Earth, Wind, and Fire tribute/cover band… don’t you think it’d be named Jorðr, Kari, and Logi? :P
    🍁🕺🪩🍂

  • @strandedinseattle9931
    @strandedinseattle9931 Před rokem +6

    Thank you for the amazing, informative video.
    Examining Jormungandr as nature's wrath gave me reason to pause. I recently had a minor revelation that there is potential for many folklore 'monsters' or 'demons' or whathaveyou to have been miscast in human tales as they were quite possibly just defending themselves, their homes, the things they care for. This goes for more than Norse beliefs.

  • @Lotan_
    @Lotan_ Před rokem +3

    The description of Jormungandr as a "shining serpent" is quite interesting, because the same description is used for Leviathan, as well as his older identity, Lotan iirc. Honestly, if the Chaos Serpents represent the opposite of the archetypal sky father's "virtues", then they can't be that bad. Especially my namesake, given who he stood against.

  • @daniellewalker1953
    @daniellewalker1953 Před rokem +5

    Great video! For Jormungandr the thing that had always resonated for me was that he wrapped around Midgard, which I viewed in a sense as holding the world together. This take is fitting to how I felt about Jormungander but didn't have words for. It is fitting that Thor represents humanity with how destructive he can be at times. And I totally see jormungander similar to nature in the sense that it is massive and would feel immovable as a whole. Also when humanity has done enough damage and it did finally raise its head against you... bad news bears.

  • @KatiaOdinsen
    @KatiaOdinsen Před rokem +13

    I always appreciate you recognizing the animal deities as well, deities.

  • @bramblebear3121
    @bramblebear3121 Před rokem +4

    I have a Thor statue and shed snakeskin on my altar. ⚡🐍 Always enjoy your vids.

  • @ragiironshield
    @ragiironshield Před rokem +4

    I never thought of Jormungandr like this. I didn't think of him as anything other than a constant obstacle for Thor. Honestly, this makes a lot more sense to me. Great video. 🙂

  • @suburbanhermit7
    @suburbanhermit7 Před rokem +8

    Love the video! I like this concept of Jormungandr as the Jotun version of Thor, a protector of his realm. It also works well with the concept of Loki as a god of balance, trying to ensure neither the Aesir nor the Jotuns gain too much power. All of Loki's children fill this kind of role, it seems to me. Thank you for continuing to broaden our minds when it comes to the gods!

  • @deepfriedpagan4311
    @deepfriedpagan4311 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I've been Heathen for almost a decade, and I've never once viewed Jörmundgandr in this way, but after watching this video and considering it thorougly over the course of a few days, I can't help but agree completely. Very rarely does someone present their argument in such a way that radically changes my view of a deity in such a complete way. And while I never believed that Jörmundgandr was evil, I never worshipped him, but now you can bet that I'll be breaking out my woodcarving set and adding Jörmundgandr to my altar.

  • @TheEvergladesErgi
    @TheEvergladesErgi Před rokem +5

    Snake on the astral plane.
    Okay but for real though, good shit boss. Not gonna lie, been loving the amount of revivalist shit and myth looking at in these last few vids.

  • @astrid1647
    @astrid1647 Před rokem +2

    That folder on your computer of Gadsden Flags has led to this very video. Congratulations, you've officially Made It (tm)!

  • @BlackFlagHeathen
    @BlackFlagHeathen Před rokem +4

    >Jormy the Stormy Wormy Boi
    >Stormybois
    Ocean is basically the pagan community’s resident shitposter and I love it.

  • @fromoakandrowan2794
    @fromoakandrowan2794 Před rokem +2

    I think the best thing to do with all the gods is to hold respect for them regardless. Every one of them has a negative light if that is all you look for. Winter is harsh and kills, but also helps to bring new life. Fire destroys for one, and gives room for another to grow. Some acts are only evil if we think everything must cater to us.

  • @trevorhanson6295
    @trevorhanson6295 Před rokem +3

    I liked the distinction between active and passive myths in relation to what is relevant to what people are dealing with in the here-and-now. It is an important point to bring up, especially with the idea of living traditions.

  • @ogerific
    @ogerific Před rokem +2

    My thoughts: Godzilla is a modern Jormungandr.
    1) giant reptile
    2) lives in the ocean
    3) direct response to human impact on environment
    4) poison breath : radioactive breath.
    As BOC said, "History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man..."
    Also,
    "Oh no, Thor says he's got to go, go go Jormungandr!"

  • @aritoncarmox6677
    @aritoncarmox6677 Před rokem +4

    I've been waiting for this ever since you made the fenrisulven video. Great video. Thank you

  • @DriesduPreez
    @DriesduPreez Před rokem +1

    I love comparative mythology and cultures of the world, thank you for making this

  • @ragingwitch8875
    @ragingwitch8875 Před rokem +1

    Gods the puns in this one is a *chefs kiss* AND THE EDITING?? so many snaps 🫰

  • @puffinmuffin3589
    @puffinmuffin3589 Před rokem +2

    I’m glad to see other Norse pagans like myself

  • @WWZenaDo
    @WWZenaDo Před rokem +2

    Considering their awareness of Iceland and its highly active volcanic nature, Jormungandr sounds like it has incorporated some aspects of subterranean volcanic eruptions into its characteristics.

  • @KveldulfSnowbear
    @KveldulfSnowbear Před rokem +6

    This is an amazing video and has shed a new light on a deity that I had never considered in any way benevolent. Of course, because "baggage Jesus." This has prompted me to give Jormungandr some props. Thank you!

  • @mjc4603
    @mjc4603 Před rokem +1

    Okay but why is this my favorite pun you’ve ever done?

  • @hrodvitnir7524
    @hrodvitnir7524 Před rokem +2

    Very interesting! I like the protector vs protector idea as well as the comparison between viking age heathens and modern days heathens.

  • @georgepiedmonte437
    @georgepiedmonte437 Před rokem +2

    I just love this analysis. It confirms a growing suspicion that I’ve had for years, and sheds light on what would otherwise be a baffling affinity that I’ve had for Jormandganr while simultaneously having an appreciation for Thor. The same holds true for me with respect to the other children of Loki, Hel and Fenrir, as well as Loki himself

  • @ohioheathen1997
    @ohioheathen1997 Před rokem +8

    This was an awesome video, Ocean! Thanks for helping me understand Jörmungandr a bit better!

  • @GodlessCommie
    @GodlessCommie Před rokem +3

    i’m glad to see people doing deep explanations on these beliefs. thank you!

  • @GingerOtter13
    @GingerOtter13 Před 8 měsíci +2

    THIS! YES! Jormungandr and Thor both protecting Midgard in their own way perfectly fits within my own beliefs, bith scientific and personal religious beliefs.
    Plus, being a paleontologist, I have quite the soft spot for Jormungandr. He is best snake boi.

  • @ckorone
    @ckorone Před rokem +4

    I love it. Thank you for this, Ocean. This is beyond refreshing, and I hope it helps more people see Jormungandr, along with Loki and his other children, in a new light.

  • @ethannelson8592
    @ethannelson8592 Před rokem +4

    Haven’t included Jormungandr in my practice, but I’ve been waiting for a vid on him!! Awesome job, ocean!

  • @Rinyotsu
    @Rinyotsu Před rokem +2

    I spotted jormungandr in the sky on the night of the lunar eclipse November 2022 just before a storm rolled in. Well, at the very least a cloud that resembled the belly of a snake at least a mile in diameter and took almost 3minutes to slither over my location.

  • @UllyrWuldan
    @UllyrWuldan Před rokem +1

    That completely changed my perception of Jormungandr.

  • @backupnoname
    @backupnoname Před 24 dny +1

    7:45 Horde confirmed, he's got an alter to the storms

  • @weenug489
    @weenug489 Před rokem +2

    I will now always refer to Jörmungandr as "Jörmy Stormy Wormy" 😂

  • @bloodenraged117
    @bloodenraged117 Před rokem +2

    came for the pun, was not disappointed, oh man, thank you

  • @anitaangyal4644
    @anitaangyal4644 Před 3 měsíci +1

    You worded it so beautifully, I couldnt agree with you more 😊

  • @kylareynard2639
    @kylareynard2639 Před rokem +2

    I worship Fenrir and Loki, but haven't thought of worshipping or honoring Jormundgrandr in my practice due to my dislike for water. However, after this video, I'm considering. Even if it's ever so often, leaving him an offering as well as his sister, Hel.

  • @DamienZshadow
    @DamienZshadow Před rokem +1

    After you described the man versus nature perspective, I viewed the picking up of the cat in a different light. Suddenly, the horror was akin to the kind of horror we experience when we see the massive effects of deforestation or pollution.

  • @mj9483
    @mj9483 Před rokem +1

    So basically Jormungandr was the Norse way of saying "Nature is metal"

  • @mammo_the_mammoth
    @mammo_the_mammoth Před rokem +1

    The chances of your cat, being a giant sea, serpent are low, but never zero

  • @HazardWolfCorp
    @HazardWolfCorp Před rokem +1

    Absolutely awesome information, i have a shaped Jormungandr engraved into the head of my Mjolnir.

  • @imachikenlol6820
    @imachikenlol6820 Před rokem +1

    Joke at the beginning literally had me making the same noise as you "ahhh"

  • @MacAnRuadh
    @MacAnRuadh Před rokem +1

    An interesting parallel, with the idea of protector of nature in mind, can be found in the Greek Myth surrounding Python son of Gaia who’s often depicted as her protector. I think your definitely on to something with that interpretation. Great video! 🔥

  • @joelbyrnes9710
    @joelbyrnes9710 Před rokem +2

    I've watched almost all of your videos, and this is one of my favorites. I enjoy your intellectual take, and healthy questioning of what remains of the myths.

  • @smuu1996
    @smuu1996 Před rokem +1

    For me he'll always be big snek. That's a compliment, he's on my altar.

  • @forestjohnson7474
    @forestjohnson7474 Před 11 měsíci

    That picture of Jormungandr devouring the longship Jaws reference was awesome.

  • @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319

    I remember being first introduced to Jormungandr through "The Book of Sea Monsters" by Eggleton and Suckling.
    For some reason though, the writer describes the Midgard Serpent as a She.
    In any case, the myths surrounding the Great World Serpent has fascinated me enough to incorporate Him / Her in my stories.

    • @coregoon
      @coregoon Před rokem

      He's always described with masculine language in Old Norse, so I dunno where the "she" came from.🤔 Then again, these sort of errors happen a lot in less scholarly circles. 😅

    • @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
      @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 Před rokem

      @@coregoon Well it was a book about sea monsters, not the Norse myths in general, at any rate. Soon as I had access to the actual myths I noticed the discrepancy.
      In any case when Jormungandr features in my stories, the gender depends on who is talking about the serpent.

  • @Prisoner..24601
    @Prisoner..24601 Před rokem +3

    ( dun dun ) Thor and order.

  • @alexanderokeeffe9837
    @alexanderokeeffe9837 Před rokem +3

    Very interesting video with some very interesting theories. Thank you 🙏

  • @andrewt3768
    @andrewt3768 Před rokem +1

    I think if I ever get a cat I will have to name it Jormungandr now.

  • @anarkos8223
    @anarkos8223 Před rokem +3

    Great Video, thanks! I love the re-addressing the Order vs Chaos discussions that is often reductionist of these two forces in conflict, rather than as a cycle, or in relational balance. In chaos, we find order, and order changes through chaos. To have one fixed and not the other would either be total destruction or an in-ability to grow and change. In this way, Jormungandr and Thor (and many other things) contain both Order and Chaos, and their relationship balances out those aspects in the other. The reductionist approach to order and chaos more generally only works to remove the nuanced worldview Heathens/Pagans would, and do, have. One that respects, accepts, and learns from the possibility of phenomenon outside our control. These phenomena are not inherently or dogmatically evil, just new and different. Something to be learned or investigated.
    This, of course, doesn't fly for a worldview that is dogmatically set in a grand struggle between the ultimate evil (Demonic Chaos) and the ultimate good (Heavenly Order), and therefore the myths would have to be re-written.

  • @oceanman1687
    @oceanman1687 Před rokem +1

    I wanna make a joke about Jörmungandr but it makes my head Thor trying to think of a good one.

  • @estrada20100
    @estrada20100 Před rokem

    Love your videos. Look forward to all of them. Love rewatching them as well

  • @foxmccloud8960
    @foxmccloud8960 Před rokem

    Always glad when you release new content :)

  • @Iceberg6606
    @Iceberg6606 Před rokem +1

    This is a wonderful interpretation, Ocean! Thank you! Love this one so much!

  • @BatterySonic
    @BatterySonic Před rokem +1

    I don't believe that the children of Loki are evil, but rather they represent the nature of our world. We coexist with chaos, death, vengeance, and distrust. These things are ever present.

  • @adamhaas2760
    @adamhaas2760 Před rokem +1

    Brilliantly done as always

  • @slytherin67
    @slytherin67 Před rokem +1

    Thank you so much for your hard work.

  • @tonymeekins7237
    @tonymeekins7237 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Just want to say I’m new to Norse paganism and your vids are teaching me a lot I enjoy them keep them coming 👍🏻

  • @adriancarter825
    @adriancarter825 Před 6 měsíci

    Amazing, enlightening, thankyou ocean .

  • @bethymania
    @bethymania Před rokem +1

    Stellar video, Ocean. You always do excellent work, but this one is especially excellent. Just wanted to let you know that all your hard work and suffering was worth it.

  • @mgtmoviemaker
    @mgtmoviemaker Před rokem +2

    Jormungandr is a kaiju confirmed 🤔
    Great video as always. Thanks for making it!

  • @gimmeurkidney
    @gimmeurkidney Před rokem

    this is such a good video!! the constant struggle representing an important balance in life and nature

  • @VetrDraugr
    @VetrDraugr Před rokem +1

    My best friend and I were laughing our asses of at the meme at 20:03 yesterday. Didn't think I'd see it here 💀

  • @killgriffinnow
    @killgriffinnow Před rokem +6

    Would Ragnorok even have happened if the aesir hadn’t locked up Loki’s kids?

    • @sopsychomattic8165
      @sopsychomattic8165 Před rokem

      Seems like a statement on Fate. Odin tries to prevent Ragnarok based on the visions and prophecies given to him. However, those exact actions are what bring about Ragnarok. So it's hard to say what would happened if Odin ignored them.

    • @Brothers-10-10
      @Brothers-10-10 Před rokem

      ​@@sopsychomattic8165 what is Odin force according to Norse mythology ? I just want to know

    • @sopsychomattic8165
      @sopsychomattic8165 Před rokem +1

      @@Brothers-10-10 Odinforce? Like from Marvel comics? Because as far as I'm aware, it's not part of the real Norse god's power

  • @calmingnight3376
    @calmingnight3376 Před rokem +1

    I've always seen him as a figure of chaos, not the evil muhahaha chaos, but the chaos that the world needs. It's there for nature and us to grow. It essential. It's the bringer of change, the force that makes deal with our shadow side, accept the universe for what it truly is, etc. We might not like it, but it's essential for us to grow in the mundane and spiritual life. And with Jormungandr basically starting Ragnarok, destroying the old and bringing in the new, destroying order, etc, he is the norse force of Chaos.

  • @SladeOfMidgard
    @SladeOfMidgard Před 10 měsíci

    I recently found The Norse Faith and this channel has helped me understand things better than I ever could have on my own. Thank you Brother

  • @rusevii7168
    @rusevii7168 Před rokem

    Loved this video but I think my favourite is your video on Hel, the music in the backround and the way you explained everything so elegantly made it an S tier video for me

  • @kylethewolfify
    @kylethewolfify Před rokem +1

    This was an awesome video! Thank you also for the fantastic puns at the beginning of your videos 😂 they rock!

  • @TheRylum
    @TheRylum Před rokem

    Amazing video, as always! Thank you for addressing this topic in such an engaging and academic way! Your videos always give me a new perspective and force me to dig deeper. Thanks, Ocean!

  • @wizardoftas7779
    @wizardoftas7779 Před rokem

    Amazing. You put into words that which I understood intuitively. Thankyou.

  • @lunieahexx6043
    @lunieahexx6043 Před rokem +1

    ohh that makes sense thanks Ocean now i have some tid bits to think about at work.

  • @Fearnofear6
    @Fearnofear6 Před rokem +1

    Great video as always Ocean. I've learned more from these videos than the sagas lol